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Gavel Gavel is the podcast that takes you inside the courtroom. Co-hosts Thomas and Lydia Smith ask the questions you're actually thinking, crack the jokes the case deserves, and cut through legal jargon — while real legal experts with actual trial experience bring the analysis that makes sense of it all. Sharp, funny, and genuinely informative, it's for anyone who's ever watched a trial unfold in the news and wanted someone to explain what's really going on.

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Episodes

Lively v. Baldoni 57 - Don't You DARE Grab Your Friends. AND PUT DOWN THOSE FLORALS

Lively v. Baldoni 57 - Wayfarer v. Lively 23 Workin' our way through! Can you believe Blake had the GALL to say grab your friends and wear your florals? Is she some kind of horrible idiot monster clueless victim hating b@#$% or something?

GG58 · Feb 28, 2026 · 48 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 55 - I SAID. NO ONE'S LEAVING UNTIL WE SOLVE THIS.

Lively v. Baldoni 55 - Wayfarer v. Lively 21 EVEN MORE revelations about the August 8th-9th interactions. This is the last one on this! Then we can finally move on like the ghost army that Aragorn brought to Gondor which was kinda cheating, if you ask me.

GG56 · Feb 6, 2026 · 47 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 52 - Baldoni Streisands Nicepool

Wayfarer v. Lively 18 Your honor they might have made fun of me possibly and that has to be against the law.

GG53 · Jan 13, 2026 · 53 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 51 - The Last Straw... OR IS IT

Wayfarer v. Lively 17 We're back on our Blake beat. Together we can finish this effing complaint (and the attachment)

GG52 · Jan 7, 2026 · 49 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

U.S. v. Dunn 1 - Assault with a Deli Weapon

It's a new Gavel Gavel trial! We are excited to announce that we will be producing a totally new full trial re-enactment working from our EXCLUSIVE access to the transcript of the federal prosecution of Sean Dunn, better known to the world as the "Sandwich Guy" after being federally charged for assaulting a CBP officer with a fully-loaded 12-inch Subway sandwich on the streets of DC. But before we get to the meat of 2025's Trial of the Century, legal sandwich artist Matt Cameron is here to slice up everything you need to know. From Dunn's notably underreported motive to the significance of the date and location of the alleged assault to a shot-by-shot analysis of the only known video of the incident, we've got this one wrapped. U.S. v. Dunn docket Sean Dunn's GoFundMe Video of Sean Dunn throwing a Subway sandwich at a uniformed CBP agent near 14th and U in Washington DC on August 10, 2025 U.S. v. Dunn complaint (filed 8/13/25) Sensationalized video of Dunn's arrest in his house by a swarm of federal agents posted on the official White House X account (8/14/25)

GG51 · Jan 1, 2026 · 52 min · With Thomas Smith, Lydia Smith & Matt Cameron

Lively v. Baldoni 50 - Maybe Sony Just Isn't That Into You, Man

Wayfarer v. Lively 16 - It's the last sub-chunk of the November mega-chunk and there's some fun stuff in here! Baldoni and Heath cannot tell when people are obviously lying to them, and also we get some previously unseen Jones/Abel texts!

GG50 · Dec 15, 2025 · 46 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

BONUS! Dale Wheatley Brings Actual Filmmaking Experience to the Lively-Baldoni Conversation

Happy Holidays normies! Here's the first half of this interview, but you'll need to join as a member to get the second half of our conversation! --- Dale Wheatley joins the pod in this special bonus episode to share his insights as a filmmaker and industry professional watching the Lively v Baldoni case (and associated lawsuits) unfold, and we dig into many of the places where the set for It Ends With Us went wrong. In the patron-only segment, we chat about Dale's own experience with a Hollywood lawsuit, in which he and his colleagues sued Leonardo DiCaprio and Tobey Maguire to free the film they made back in the 1990s, Don's Plum. Catch Dale and his partner Angela on YouTube for daily livestreams! Check out Free Don's Plum where you can purchase signed copies of Dale's memoir, Too Real The Making and Epic Unmaking of Don's Plum, Vanity Fair (12/12/2016) Support the show, get rid of ads, and get bonus stuff over on patreon.com/gavelpod!

Dec 15, 2025 · 26 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 48 - Blake Bamboozles Baldoni at Book Bonanza

Wayfarer v. Lively 14 - It's Book Bonanza time! Apparently Blake outright STOLE the movie file and showed it to hoards of people without permission or authority??? ARREST HER. Or....maybe that's not what happened. Support the show, get rid of ads, and get bonus stuff over on patreon.com/gavelpod!

GG48 · Dec 5, 2025 · 44 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 46 - Hey Look, It's Textbook Retaliation By Baldoni Revealed In His Own Lawsuit

Wayfarer v. Lively 12 - Gavelheads and Chunkarinos, it's the end of the month and you know what that means! Chunks, chunks, chunks chunks chunks chunks, chunks! We begin this month's Chunkmas exactly where we left off last time. It's more Wayfarer v. Lively! But we're weirdly excited about it this time. There's a lot of stuff we haven't seen before and it's not good for WF parties at all.

GG46 · Dec 1, 2025 · 48 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith