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Gavel Gavel is the podcast that takes you inside the courtroom. Co-hosts Thomas and Lydia Smith ask the questions you're actually thinking, crack the jokes the case deserves, and cut through legal jargon — while real legal experts with actual trial experience bring the analysis that makes sense of it all. Sharp, funny, and genuinely informative, it's for anyone who's ever watched a trial unfold in the news and wanted someone to explain what's really going on.

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Episodes

Lively v. Baldoni 44 - Can I Get Your Autograph on This Nudity Rider

Wayfarer v. Lively 10 - on this one, we get to the whole "she didn't sign the nudity rider/contract" thing. Support the show, get rid of ads, and get bonus stuff over on patreon.com/gavelpod!

GG44 · Nov 10, 2025 · 57 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 42 - That's One Hot Matcha

Wayfarer v. Lively 8 - Watch as Justin Baldoni tries to defend himself against the horrible bully Blake Lively, and is then never seen or heard from again. Support the show, get rid of ads, and get bonus stuff over on patreon.com/gavelpod!

GG42 · Nov 4, 2025 · 50 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 40 - No, You See, When He Said He Wanted Her to Collaborate, He Meant... Not That

Wayfarer v. Lively 6 - We're back! Apologies for the big delay in normi-sodes. This chunk was released on Patreon and then our horrendous October schedule prevented us from doing the released that we wanted to on here. So... you've got a TON of episodes coming your way in the next week! Probably like one a day, minimum. We continue on in the behemoth of garbage that is Wayfarer v. Lively! Support the show, get rid of ads, and get bonus stuff over on patreon.com/gavelpod!

GG40 · Nov 3, 2025 · 48 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 39 - Hey Blake... [7 minutes of narcissistic man noises and vocal fry]

We are so, so sorry. We have to do this. It's time to listen to and break down Justin Baldoni's nearly 7-minute voice memo to Blake Lively. BUT! We have some great analysis, clock investigation, and commentary on some curious reactions from when this was released. This episode is like the vegetables you need to eat before getting dessert... Well, if those vegetables had salmonella, e-coli and several other kinds of infectious bacteria. But then after your vegetables, and a long hospital stay, you can have the dessert of more Wayfarer v. Lively complaint!

GG39 · Sep 27, 2025 · 61 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 38 - Khaleesi and Her Dragons

Wayfarer v. Lively 4 - It's time to take on one of the most infamous messages of this entire saga. Khaleesi and her dragons. But also, Baldoni has no idea when someone is blowing smoke. It seems like he thinks everyone loves him all the time. Support the show, get rid of ads, and get bonus stuff over on patreon.com/gavelpod!

GG38 · Sep 8, 2025 · 54 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 37 - The Most Bull Shit of Bull Shits

Wayfarer v. Lively 3 - Hey so this isn't like, the most consequential bull shit, but it is one of the most infuriating bull shits for so many reasons. Wayfarer parties lose pretty much all credibility with this one enormous stupid bull shit. Support the show, get rid of ads, and get bonus stuff over on patreon.com/gavelpod!

GG37 · Sep 5, 2025 · 64 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 36 - The Apology That Could Have Prevented ALLLL of This

Wayfarer v. Lively 2 - We continue on the big one. Lots of interesting stuff here, including a Reddit rabbit hole, and the apology that Blake and Ryan wanted Justin to make. WHY DIDN'T HE JUST DO IT. Support the show, get rid of ads, and get bonus stuff over on patreon.com/gavelpod!

GG36 · Sep 4, 2025 · 48 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 35 - The Big One. 400 Pages of... Stuff

Wayfarer v. Lively 1 - We're finally here. This is the big one. The document(s) that Baldoni fans swear absolutely devastates Lively's case. We're going to be here a while.... Support the show, get rid of ads, and get bonus stuff over on patreon.com/gavelpod!

GG35 · Sep 3, 2025 · 53 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 34 - A Hopelessly Attenuated Daisy Chain of Purported Causation

It's our final entry in the Jones v. Abel docket for a bit! This one solidifies Jones's lawyers as probably the best writers of all the lawyers we've dealt with in this. There are some absolute gems in this one. But... NEXT EPISODE we finally take on the behemoth. The monstrosity that is Wayfarer v. Lively. It's something like 400 total pages. yayyyyyy funnnnn

GG34 · Aug 31, 2025 · 39 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 33 - A Smorgasbord of Torts

Stephanie Jones's Motion to Dismiss Jennifer Abel's Counterclaims. Got it? So, Jones sued Abel, Abel brought counterclaims, and now this is Jones's motion to dismiss those counterclaims. And let me tell you, it is way more fun than you might think!

GG33 · Aug 30, 2025 · 50 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 32 - Maybe We Should Just Talk About the Footage. Let's Just Talk

Part 2. Now that we've had to hear THAT noise, let's dig more into the analysis of the context in which Blake experienced this day on set. It does seem like Blake misrepresented what happened in one key part. So, how should we think about that? What does Candace Owens have to say? Support the show, get rid of ads, and get bonus stuff over on patreon.com/gavelpod!

GG32 · Jul 30, 2025 · 58 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith

Lively v. Baldoni 31 - Baldoni Releases Bombshell Footage. Was Blake Lying?

Part 1 of 2. We chunk on over to the main timeline again to dissect the bar footage that was released in mid-January in an effort to refute one of the scenarios that Lively called out as inappropriate and part of the pattern of sexual harassment on set. Many claim this completely undermines Blake Lively's case. Seeing as how it's some of the only evidence we the public have access to that we haven't already digested, what can we learn if we Zapruder Film this thing? Watch the footage here. Support the show, get rid of ads, and get bonus stuff over on patreon.com/gavelpod!

GG31 · Jul 29, 2025 · 53 min · With Thomas Smith & Lydia Smith