WTW117: Deeper Into Matt Murphy's Child Trafficking Cinematic Universe

Transcript

This transcript was generated automatically and may contain errors — the audio is the record.

0:00:03 Clip: What's so scary about the woke mob? How often you just don't see them coming. Anywhere you see diversity, equity, and inclusion, you see Marxism and you see woke principles being pushed. Wokeness is a virus more dangerous than any pandemic hands down. The woke monster is here and it's coming for everything.

0:00:33 Clip: Instead of go-go boots, the seductress green M&M will now wear sneakers.

0:00:42 Thomas: Hello and welcome to Where There's Woke. I'm Thomas. That over there is Lydia. How are you doing?

0:00:47 Lydia: I'm doing well. How much time has elapsed since we last met? Because I have to do the math to figure out how. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah, and also how many times I was trafficked. And then I think you multiply that. And yeah,

0:00:53 Thomas: On how many people we trafficked. Yeah. Have you ever had that awkward, oh my God, it's so embarrassing. Have ever been trafficking a child and then you get trafficked while you're doing it and you're like, oh, my God. This is so funny. You're never going to believe this.

0:01:08 Lydia: And now it's like trafficking to the second power, I think is how that works. Exponents.

0:01:15 Thomas: Yeah. Usually etiquette -wise, the trafficker will be pretty cool about it. If you're, like, hey, can you let me finish trafficking this child first? Or like, but sometimes you get a greedy trafficker who's like, Ooh, no, now I get two points, like two, two in one, you know? And it's just kind of, it's just etiquette. You know, I feel like, I feel like the things like that are just like, get people aren't as cool as they used to be. You people used to polite about trafficking and now it's like it's all mean.

0:01:23 Lydia: Yeah? Mm hmm? Yeah. Just never know. You never know? Man

0:01:42 Thomas: It's frankly, I've lost some of the like joy of it. Yeah.

0:01:45 Lydia: Of trafficking I hope I hope someone goes through all these episodes and just takes our jokes about trafficking and stitches them together and be like wow this is what the left has done yeah matt murphy probably will he'll take it to this next time that he is pitching

0:01:52 Thomas: Lost oh boy if yeah if if you think you've heard some stuff you know look I hope folks are enjoying this you could argue that maybe I shouldn't have gone through an entire hour and 50 minute interview with a guy on a show that no one's heard of but you're wrong yeah oh I I did like eight times you're you're lucky that you only have to do this once it's so fun I actually love it now he's I I love it. I want to go find more of it. It's just so, because like you get to just make whatever you want up and

0:02:17 Lydia: And we already did. So. Oh, I know. Yeah.

0:02:32 Thomas: You get to have people be like, my God, like who's going to challenge you?

0:02:35 Lydia: Mm hmm.

0:02:35 Thomas: They're not going to, they're not gonna question you. This episode, we get to hear Matt Murphy talk more about child trafficking and also some, some pop psychology. He gets, he gets, gets going on some Jordan Peterson. You know, you start to see why it all fits together. And these are all one universe. And these. Are all the things that appeal to this kind of person. You know, it really tons of overlap, but this one is just so fun. This is the last one on this interview. Don't worry. We're going to move on to other stuff still related to child trafficking and still related to Sentinel Foundation.

0:03:09 Thomas: But this is the first time we have to hear that. It's so funny because as

0:03:13 Lydia: My God. It's too many times. Why are they doing that?

0:03:17 Thomas: I was editing, there's times when you or I took a breath and I was like, oh man, that's so fun that we did. And I was like, ah, darn, I wasn't smart enough to think of that in the moment. It would have been really funny if after you said something, I went like, just now I expect to hear it constantly, you know,

0:03:32 Lydia: It's so creepy. Yeah it's going to be like a production decision for our shows moving forward now where you're where you like I get it now.

0:03:38 Thomas: It's in my brain. It's in my brain for sure. All right. Well, we're going to take our usual break, which you can avoid at patreon .com slash where there's woke and everybody listening to me right now has already done that because they're amazing and they're hearing this early. However, if you're listening to it right now, you're a normie and you had to wait so long to hear this you you're in the future in a but in a bad way you

0:04:05 Lydia: But now you're in the past.

0:04:05 Thomas: Could have been in the past no yeah you you could have been in the future now earlier I don't know uh patreon is where's what so

0:04:11 Lydia: So confusing. Oh, boy. Just sign up.

0:04:21 Ad: [Ad break 1 — ad music]

0:04:21 Thomas: Then this guy says like okay re the wife you did so much research and I would just like to take a moment to appreciate the wife of this this show wife when you say you've done research I know know I'm about to hear something good very good this is like I don't even know what the fuck this is just for fun and I but like oh I you I want to be a fly on the wall for this conversation and it's like there's nothing

0:04:30 Lydia: Oh, thank you. I can't wait to hear this.

0:04:38 Lydia: Oh, OK. So low bar. Low bar is what we're talking about. Yeah. OK.

0:04:51 Clip: You know, I think, as you mentioned earlier, that movie portrays that it only happens in other countries. And, you know, it's not, it doesn't look like that here, when in fact, Americans are the biggest consumers of anything children sexually related. And you know how how do we bring that more awareness besides what we're doing right now you know if there was one thing as parents I mean obviously the

0:05:07 Lydia: Yeah, I don't think so.

0:05:07 Thomas: I don't know if that's true yeah so that's nothing if I threw it to you like lydia's done this research and that was your question I'm like oh maybe podcasting isn't for you.

0:05:24 Lydia: Yeah. Let's talk about you returning to the state government.

0:05:29 Thomas: Yeah, let's talk about something you've already covered and ask a question that isn't particularly good about it. Listen to this.

0:05:38 Clip: Problem is in America right now and we addressed a little bit this earlier law enforcement is overwhelmed in a lot of areas they're not even prosecuting crimes right now unless you murder somebody I mean here in Nashville Tennessee, I mean, you pretty much have to get pulled over for a DUI where they can't do anything but, you know, take you in or kill somebody to actually get prosecuted. I got cop friends. I'm not going to call them out. I've told me I'll watch somebody sell somebody a kilo of cocaine and I'm not doing a thing about it because I know that if I arrest this guy and do all that paperwork that the district attorney won't prosecute it. Wow. You know, and that's just

0:06:17 Thomas: I guess just because he happens to be in Nashville, he can bag on Nashville. I doubt Nashville is like, Tennessee is not like a blue state to my knowledge. I guest they can bash any city as being like Democrats or something. It's hard to not just deep dive everything, but at a glance, Nashville's DA is a Democrat. It seems like that's always true. It seems like the primary is where the actual election is. It seems like one of those. In the actual elections, it's like 90 -something percent. The guy currently in there is Glenn Funk and I think that this is something that conservatives probably do to bash in the same way they ran Jason Boudin out of San Francisco or whatever, which was such an interesting interview over on OA that not enough people

0:06:24 Lydia: Interesting yeah yeah

0:06:59 Thomas: Listened to. I imagine there's some discourse around that. But in the 2022 election, just looking at some of the press, there's other other progressive D .A. candidates that went against him and they both lost. He was the incumbent. So it's like the incumbent who's been in there for eight years at that point. So he's still there. So he'd been there forever.

0:07:19 Thomas: So I can't imagine he's like that progressive a guy who knows. But he has made some gestures toward like we're going to stop prosecuting low level marijuana crimes, which is a far cry from what this idiot just described as they'll find a fucking truck full of heroin or whatever he said, and they won't prosecute

0:07:36 Lydia: And they won't do anything about it yeah

0:07:38 Thomas: It. That's not at all true. And there's the typical letdown of progressive, in quotes, DAs, where he brought the first murder indictment against a Nashville police officer for an on -duty shooting. However, after years of delays, Funk offered the officer a last -minute plea deal for a lesser charge. Cool. Which resulted in a three -year jail sentence with a chance for release after about a year and a half.

0:08:00 Thomas: Awesome. A backroom bargain, it was called, by the family of the person killed. And he also has not announced criminal charges in any of the last year's 10 shootings. It sounds like he's a Democrat, but he's probably pretty conservative.

0:08:15 Lydia: And also focused on expediency like closing things

0:08:18 Thomas: He did say that he wasn't going to prosecute abortion cases, which is good. Like that's a one good thing that I saw like after the Supreme Court decision, he announced he's going to protect women, not going to pursue like cases to prosecue women for having abortions or whatever. So like, you know, yeah.

0:08:33 Lydia: Yeah tennessee probably had like a trigger law or something like that

0:08:35 Thomas: Yeah. So like, okay. But like this idea that they're just not even prosecuting, like you're just Not doing any of it. There's not even gonna bother. It's like, what are you talking about? So this is feeling like, more and more dishonest to me. They go on to talk about like, Oh, you might think your 12 year old daughter is doing this innocent little dance. But on TikTok, there's probably a 40 or 50 year old guy watching that messaging her and like, honestly, might be true. Doesn't have a military solution, but okay. And there's a lot lot of this, you know, phones are the decline of everything. And I'm certainly sympathetic to a lot of, a lot of that, but not in the, like these darn kids sense. I don't really find that to be compelling. I think that a lot that is overblown when it comes to like how much phones are ruining specifically like Gen Z or whatever. I feel like that's a lot the same typical generational crap that comes every single generation says that about the next generation. Oh, they don't even go outside. They're lazy. Cause the phone that like all that crap, it's goes back to fucking Socrates. Like it's every single time.

0:08:44 Lydia: Yeah yeah you know it's funny as you say that as a bunch of high school students walked out today to protest ICE in Sacramento. Like they just marched to the Capitol.

0:09:43 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome.

0:09:45 Lydia: A thousand students. Yeah. So tell me again how they're not going outside and doing anything else.

0:09:50 Thomas: Right. So as off the rails as you think, maybe it has been here so far. There are more rails to go off of.

0:09:57 Clip: The reality of it. It's one thing on this topic that I think is crucial for parents to understand. You know, I used to work a lot in the realms of psychological warfare, right?

0:10:07 Thomas: Okay.

0:10:08 Clip: And one of the things that's attacked or targeted is children, right. Unfortunately, it's children, not to kill them, but to change the way that they think Now, all of us as people, we have sexual brains, sex subconsciously determines and makes most We don't even see it to reproduce, to, you know, carry on the next generation.

0:10:24 Lydia: What? This? No, this is really uncomfortable.

0:10:32 Thomas: Yeah. It keeps going.

0:10:32 Clip: To be able to protect them and provide for them to get a to get an attractive mate most of the things that we do in life subconsciously are driven by our sex drive right but that's different

0:10:38 Lydia: Matt, I think this is you.

0:10:42 Clip: For boys and girls right now in every parent what I'm about to say what I want to say is going to see what I am saying if they if they are honest with themselves so what the women are attracted their sexual drive is driven by attention right and we've studied this in some of the most I'm I'm not getting the ways that we found all this out on the government level, just the

0:11:05 Thomas: I've not, I love that lie. I just wanted to get to that particular thing because he's spouting manosphere pop psychology nonsense. And then being like, I worked for the government and I'm not going to get into

0:11:13 Lydia: I'm not going to disclose that right now. Yeah?

0:11:16 Thomas: How I'm the quote is. I'm not even going to get into the ways that we found all this out on the government level. We've just found out that girls want attention. It's so funny. We got to keep going. It's still fun. This is like five unadulterated minutes of nonsense.

0:11:25 Lydia: What in the world

0:11:33 Clip: The sexual, physical urge, right. So when girls get on social media, they are getting their attention, right, they're getting their attention not just from one kid, all the kids and all the adults and all the people, every time there's a like, and there's a click, or a new follow, girls are getting that attention. And all kids get addicted to that, right, but girls especially in the sexuality side so that's what girls see when they get on social media and they see the older girls sexualizing themselves the butt pics the risky clothing looking all gorgeous and perfect and beautiful altering and editing their photos young girls see that and they're like that's how I get attention right so now they start to sexualize themselves at ages earlier than they would ever be sexualized I mean look at a young girl from when we were kids when she was 12 13 14 years old how she dressed and presented herself

0:12:06 Lydia: Oh my god

0:12:27 Thomas: And they said the exact same thing then.

0:12:27 Clip: Compared to 12 13 and 14 years older you can't tell the difference anymore right so that's all from social media so now these these girls are sexualizing themselves for the likes of clicks and follows and all that stuff but while that's happening they're no longer seeking that in the

0:12:31 Thomas: What? Man, it just keeps getting better.

0:12:45 Clip: Real world so what we're seeing is kids aren't having sex and being intimate with each other anymore that's a very rare thing now surprisingly right like no kids aren't

0:12:51 Thomas: Kids?

0:12:52 Lydia: I'm so uncomfortable with all of

0:12:54 Clip: Out in the neighborhood playing truth or dare and making out you know you know

0:12:55 Thomas: Can you not say kids? How do you know that?

0:12:58 Clip: Under the bleachers kids are sexualizing themselves online now here's where it's dangerous once that girl starts to get in that world and in that head she's no longer seeking it in the physical world but here's the even more dangerous part with this is that now she's opened herself up to needing that attention and

0:13:11 Lydia: This what

0:13:15 Thomas: It's so good just keeps going we're not even half done with this no we are but it's so

0:13:16 Clip: It becomes a psychological dopamine fed addiction right and she's going to create more content and more content and more things and you see it with these girls and kids on social media now it is their life right you know and so one she's not going to date or she's interested in that why

0:13:22 Lydia: Why

0:13:29 Thomas: Funny uh -huh I

0:13:36 Clip: Am I going to deal with one stupid smelly boy you know in in in deal with attention from him when

0:13:36 Lydia: Do you say that well he's not wrong about that

0:13:42 Clip: And I've got 10,000 followers and people in my DMs every day telling me how beautiful I am. Free pornography destroys their life and their sex drive. So they start seeing things at young ages. We see kids now five, six years old addicted to porn because their parents give her iPads.

0:13:52 Thomas: Don't yeah okay you're ready for this we see we see young kids five six years old addicted to porn no you don't

0:14:00 Lydia: Five what what what intheworld is he talking about yeah

0:14:15 Thomas: I'm gonna go and say no you you don't I just the idea of that is so funny to me no

0:14:22 Lydia: And like here's the other thing if that's true then the people he's on the show with right now are not acting shocked enough like if I heard a claim like that from somebody I would be like oh my god yeah

0:14:29 Thomas: I know these people have kids if you've had a kid you know this isn't true there's no possible way this is true they don't understand it yet

0:14:37 Lydia: Exactly and you know it's not so they can't call him out they don't call them out because there's no way that like they're not going to you know push back against it but then also I know you know it'S not true because if it were true if you thought it were truth you would be reacting way more more strongly.

0:14:48 Thomas: Yeah they have to yes and yeah I mean they kind of are I guess but but like they do react strongly Yeah.

0:14:58 Lydia: No, I hear a lot of stuff of like, gosh, man, like I hear that a lot. Well, how do they react to this claim?

0:15:03 Thomas: Well, to be fair, this and I can't remember. But to be clear, this whole thing has been one alarmist claim after

0:15:07 Lydia: Do they say, oh my God, a five -year -old? Yeah, I know. Yeah.

0:15:14 Thomas: The other. So the whole the whole atmosphere of the interview is like, oh, my God, can't believe it. Can't believe I can believe it yet. No, I hear you. I hear it. But like you can't have had a five or six year old and think this is possibly true. True. The most you could think is that like, okay, there could be parents that are like letting their very young kids see porn and that would be awful. Like that would be super awful. There's no way they would be addicted to it.

0:15:20 Lydia: But like I'm sitting and listening to it too. And I still would react strongly to that claim. Yeah, absolutely not.

0:15:42 Thomas: Like there's no possible chance. Like they're not there yet. If you don't have kids, like they don't get it at all at that age. Yeah. Then, you know, kids do weird sexual stuff.

0:15:41 Lydia: Yeah, they're addicted to sugar. They're addicted too. Yeah, yeah.

0:15:54 Thomas: Like that's a weird thing about development. They do weird sexual stuff you know yeah they're curious but it's not porn addiction that's that doesn't that's way too intellectualized for the like they don't understand porn like they wouldn't understand it if they saw it

0:15:55 Lydia: They can be, I don't know if addicted is the right word, but like really, really focused on screens. And so I guess if you're playing just 24 hours of porn in your house on the one screen, then maybe you could make that claim. Yeah.

0:16:13 Thomas: Yeah this yeah this is just made the fuck up this is absolutely made up it's silly but we're still going somewhere.

0:16:24 Clip: And I mean, you're so they start seen things at a young age. As we see kids, now five six years all addicted to Porn because their parents give her ipads and and I mean you're you're one google of a boob or a penis or a vagina away from being on pornhub right you know uh and you get down that slippery slope in that rabbit

0:16:38 Lydia: No, I'm going to Google it right now.

0:16:44 Clip: Hole but here's what happens with boys boys are sexual beings they need that right the masturbation whatever let's be honest let's be candid about it that's what boys do sure right so once little boys when I was a kid you had the jc penny catalog and a playboy right yeah you know in your imagination station I guess you could say right I had the jc penny and the sears catalog oh yeah that was a good one I didn't get the playboy though yeah I stole it from a friend's house but I wasn't brave enough yeah but that but that's what we had but in that it was just images right yeah and and so you were still building towards in pursuing and and going after girls right and you know just doing what

0:16:46 Thomas: Here we go.

0:17:06 Lydia: What in the world? Oh, boy.

0:17:22 Clip: Boys do boys aren't doing that anymore here's why they're getting addicted to pornography pornography these videos and everything that happens with pornography gives them stronger dopamine hits and releases than you could ever get and sadly say in real life and you'll never go back to real life after you get addicted to porn it's not just destroying kids it's destroying adults lives and right but as a little as a child with those still developing brain what's that do

0:17:22 Thomas: This is so good. It's a full dissertation that I have to finish. It is almost done.

0:17:47 Clip: That ruins you and it ruins you for the rest of your life right because you need more and more and more and more right and you're getting more and more to where it's so much as a child that there's just there's never going to now be enough for you sexually and that's when all these sexual perversions and all these other things that have become so popular in society that's where they get their foundation and when they start it's either altered through abuse or it's directed by pornography so that little boy is no longer chasing the girl or doing all the things that he should do all giving her all the attention she needs because she's getting it elsewhere and distracted and now nothing he could do could ever get her attention so he's just at home you know masturbating watching pornography and now he's on a slippery slope in a rabbit hole and that's happening to about 80 of our children in america right now wow 80 wow 80 that's a big number

0:18:34 Thomas: So good. 80 % of our time.

0:18:39 Lydia: 80%. Yeah.

0:18:40 Thomas: Wait, did she say wow 80 %?

0:18:42 Lydia: So,

0:18:43 Clip: Every kid that has access to social media or a phone untethered yeah so earlier you said that

0:18:49 Lydia: Okay, let's recap what the the purpose of why we're here

0:18:53 Thomas: It's a whole five -minute thesis that I had to play because because it's so good. It builds.

0:18:58 Lydia: He is here representing a

0:19:01 Thomas: Yeah. And therefore I need more guns.

0:19:01 Lydia: Non -profit organization yeah that is supposed to be doing like rescue operations for children that are victims of trafficking internationally potentially and so now let's talk about porn addiction in children and how does that relate at all to like are the boys then becoming traffickers like do they grow up to traffic young kids too is that what he's saying because like

0:19:18 Thomas: Sure does not. Well, that's sort of the implication actually. No, they grow up to be victims. That's what he's saying. Well, both of them.

0:19:32 Lydia: The boys do how are the boys being victimized in

0:19:36 Thomas: So I don't know if trafficking maybe, but what he is saying is like the girls aren't interested in the guy. So they're always on the internet to get their attention. And that's where the predators get to them. And then the boys are addicted to porn because they they don't care anymore, blah, blah. And he says, now he's on a slippery slope in a rabbit hole. And that, so that's how they get into like the deeply perverted stuff. And maybe they, yeah, they might become either a consumer or maybe they fall in, you know, in a predator gets access to them too, like one way or the other. I feel like that's part of his thesis of why there's so much in

0:19:45 Lydia: Trafficking right right oh and then maybe he becomes a consumer like he becomes uh yeah

0:20:09 Thomas: His worldview, predatory behavior, fucking everywhere at all times. Yeah 80 and at this point when I was watching this I was like I almost wonder if she maybe was being sarcastic there

0:20:13 Lydia: I'm gonna need some sources my guy yeah there's no way I don't

0:20:23 Thomas: But I don't know it would be really funny to me like I don' t know anything about these people it' s the first time i' ve ever seen any of them I think it would be a funny comedy sketch in a dark way because I sometimes I like these weird situations if midway through this interview she realizes he' s full of shit but like what's she gonna do about it she's like really 80 % huh okay okay like she's trapped in this show and in this fucking marriage for all I know like who knows they have all the incentive to yes and you know to your earlier point no incentive to challenge yeah

0:20:36 Lydia: Know yeah yeah I just feel like also the whole nonsense that he went off about is it's probably conversations that he's had with his wife because maybe something that he has been struggling with himself um with regard to porn consumption I donno it feels really personal

0:21:12 Thomas: I mean look it's all true that boys are interested in naked girls uh straight boys anyway at an age that's all truth and porn addiction is probably a thing I haven't really looked into it but I'm sure it's like like something I don't know to what extent but like

0:21:28 Lydia: Yeah in the sense that it can be damaging for relationships and stuff like that yeah Yeah. Mm hmm.

0:21:30 Thomas: Yeah and and expectations and consent behavior like all that stuff I don'T know I DON'T know how it fits into any of this shit like it just doesn't really fit into anything I love I just oh this is a quick thing but it's just for

0:21:41 Lydia: So donate today. Yeah. I don't know.

0:21:47 Clip: There's 85,000 unaccounted for children in the U S and immediately I was thinking of a Nissan stadium. What's the whole, like 60,000 give or take. So that means every seat in there would be full every, imagine how many people that is in one spot, it would be fool and there would still be 25% left outside that hadn't got in

0:22:09 Thomas: Fun sorry it's so funny it's like yeah no that's it's 80 ,000 people it's a lot I didn't need that. It's like such a like dude way of like, it's already was bad. I didn't really need like the context of a stadium. So funny. Then they talk about like, well, there's 8 .5 billion people on the earth. I think that's high, isn't it? What's up? Isn't it like under eight now? Let's see. Okay. Okay. 8 .2. And then he's like, and 1 % of them are pedophiles.

0:22:32 Lydia: No, I don' t think it's under eight. I think it' s still over eight. Pedophiles?

0:22:41 Thomas: And danny, danny very quickly basically like bails out of what the math would be. Is like, so that's, I mean, that's gotta be like millions. Just like, yeah. Let's see. When did we cross eight? Oh, we crossed eight in like 20, oh, pretty recently, like 2021. Wow. I actually have not checked for like five years. So yeah, we cross 8 billion, uh, four or five years ago. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, that fun. Anyway, then he's like, that so many devils you got to fight uh because it's always got to be religious good and evil

0:23:04 Lydia: Oh, wow. Post -COVID. Interesting. Oh. Mm -hmm. And just for what it's worth, I Googled boob to see if I was one Google away from Pornhub. I'm not. I'm not. I have the dictionary definition. I have my entire boob job journey is a YouTube thing. How have your boobs affected your life? There's a Wikipedia page for boob. Oh, there's boob photos on freepik .com.

0:23:38 Lydia: Don't know what that is. Oh, it says AI generated, so don't think that's porn necessarily. Yeah, it could be. The subreddit ask women, what is the difference between the word boob and tits? And there you go. That's the first page. So it's going to take me a a few more clicks to get to Pornhub. So check back in later. I guess I'm going to keep working on that.

0:23:40 Thomas: Uh it might be follow lydia's journey to get to pornhub he then talks about like how uh watching a video and virtue signaling and liking something is giving people the same dopamine hit that actually volunteering would do not exactly true but whatever yeah well he worked for the government so

0:24:13 Lydia: Yeah, again, sources. Yeah doesn't want to get into how they figured this out.

0:24:20 Thomas: Yeah you can't get into it that would be uh yeah that's

0:24:21 Lydia: Yeah classified. Can you imagine what all we could get away with if we just said that on our show?

0:24:29 Thomas: Classified if we just said whatever we wanted yeah yeah

0:24:33 Lydia: Yeah, if we Just said whatever we wanted, but like, you know, rooted in what we think is the truth or whatever. And then we're like, because we said so, you just got to trust us, it would would be a lot easier to do to do this show but no folks we want to get you sources

0:24:44 Thomas: We actually care if we get something wrong then I think he tries to bring it back to like actual what they think of as

0:24:53 Clip: Yet. Just the, the, the, um, the communication, communication but then the encounter happens fast very quick and then if there wasn't abductions it happened abduction it happens it happens even faster than you can understand right so and that was where um rihanna was talking to me after a conversation with um jenna and uh and john dj silver about how like you know we we just nothing against um any places but like you know the target in brentwood right next right off the exit of 65 he was like dude that's like the hot spot for something like that because or it could be a hot spot because like literally they shove them in the car slam the door and they're out on the interstate and then the chase is on and maybe the person hadn't even finished putting their groceries in their car yet yeah 100 how fast it happens it's runaways that that's the big thing that manual I talked about that gets shared all and that's just what we know of where it gets shared you know millions of times talks to it teaches the groomers to get the child to run away because the bad guys are very smart aren't oh they're they're you know it's it's one if you're sexually attracted to kids it's legal right so you have to do everything you possibly can just like any other crime to not get caught

0:25:25 Thomas: Trafficking okay

0:25:28 Lydia: Yeah what

0:25:42 Thomas: Oh

0:26:01 Lydia: What yeah okay yeah

0:26:02 Thomas: Illegal yeah

0:26:05 Clip: You know so if you'RE addicted to drugs you're getting your drugs right you're doing everything

0:26:12 Thomas: Yeah I just love this random thing about like a target in brentwood it's like nothing gets that target but it's really close to the interstate so that's a hot spot what is what is happening oh man I talk a little more about phone safety and they're not gonna let their kids on phones which I kind of agree with. Yeah.

0:26:31 Lydia: I don't know the great unifier no

0:26:35 Thomas: And that's why I'm voting for Trump in 2029, 2028, I guess.

0:26:38 Lydia: Vote for him in 2029 please

0:26:39 Thomas: Yeah. I'll write them into the not anything.

0:26:42 Lydia: To the non -existent election yes exactly

0:26:49 Ad: [Ad break 2 — ad music]

0:26:49 Thomas: So I got to get to this part. There's a lot of God stuff. If I were this guy's sibling and like, it turns out my death was a part of God's plan for him. I'd be like, oh, that seems a little unfair to me. Seems like, why should my death be a part of god's plan for you to do something that's why not the other way why is it it's always god knew what was going to happen and god works in these ways and god does all this stuff which okay man I just feel like that's kind of self -centered but all right more phone safety stuff which some of it is good message but it's not really what people are donating millions of dollars to you for I don't think and they talk about tebow again or like maybe since tim tebow's involved all the more people will be talking about this invisible crime called pedophilia that no one talks about it's like yeah really I feel like a lot of people are pretty upset about it a lot interesting thing here though because there's a part where they talk about church and I will give matt murphy credit for being like yeah you know there's also problems with churches sort of some problems with the church people sometimes but he only sort of barely says it because these clearly the people in this who are the hosts are super

0:27:31 Lydia: Yeah invisible crime yeah yeah good yeah that's unsurprising.

0:27:59 Thomas: Religious so the case I've been making again is that there's a lot of issues being blended together and you could try to take the best interpretation which is that oh they're kind of working on all this but then then you hear something like this and uh let me know how this sits with

0:28:09 Clip: You possibly hand to get that drug and use that drug that you know are willing to learn about it to to not let their kids be a victim of what this is and um I you know and before we go on to the next I do have a a question I would like to ask you and you know how many kids have you personally got to rescue uh I've actually never counted um with what we've done between afghanistan and ukraine and here in the united states you know we're definitely in the thousands of children I've never counted it between families we you know that was how I got my start really with light shine before the 501c3 was approved before we launched the task force um I was turned into this meme that showed biden well I'm not going to get political which is what the meme said I didn't create it sure you know it showed bide and walking you know out the door not doing anything about it and they put a picture of me in uniform stand up and do anything about and it got it got us 300 something thousand dollars in donations in a weekend wow to to do afghanistan rescues and

0:28:35 Thomas: You hmm thousands jesus

0:28:46 Lydia: God, that sound effect. Wow.

0:29:15 Clip: And, you know, we still have means through one of our partners to get people out of Afghanistan if necessary, you

0:29:16 Thomas: I think they did do some of that seems like but I

0:29:21 Clip: Know, because I do not agree with us leaving and leaving all the people that supported us behind for them, their family to be slaughtered by the Taliban. You know, so many of us, you knows, stood up and did something. And so and then that carried into Ukraine. We started rescuing orphans and and doing all that.

0:29:37 Thomas: And if they did that that's great I mean

0:29:39 Clip: And then in the meantime, supporting operations in Africa and the Caribbean and everywhere else, you you know financially or intelligence or support however uh and then everything we do with light shine and our partners I I really have no idea I don't count I just keep going um you know because it's not about a number for me it's really just about that you know and I'll never meet any of these kids or any of these people you know um had a couple afghanis text me when they made it to america that was kind of cool but you know like um it's just a you know it's like um

0:30:00 Thomas: Yeah see never meet him she for sure was asking like physically how many of these kids have you held in your arms as you rescued them from like that is I'm virtually certain not 100 I'm virtually certain that was what was in her mind because that's what you would think from this this guy's whole pitch. Yeah.

0:30:22 Lydia: Like you, Matt Murphy specifically? Yeah. Yeah.

0:30:24 Thomas: Like how many have you rescued? You know?

0:30:27 Lydia: Yeah.

0:30:27 Thomas: And then he's like, yeah, and I'll never meet any of them. It's like wait, what?

0:30:31 Lydia: Right.

0:30:31 Thomas: And keep in mind his whole thing was I left the other place because then I was just doing fundraising. I want to get back in this shit. You know, I wanted to be boots on the ground type thing. So like I don't blame her for being like, oh, cool. So how many physical rescues have you done?

0:30:48 Lydia: Also like the smart thing to do if you're leading a nonprofit and you're asked something like that, like he is no longer affiliated with the one that he started when When he says thousands and stuff, we have no idea if that is with Sentinel, if that's with Operation Light Shine or if that'S combined or or it's made up or. Yeah, I I don't know. But like if this is your opportunity, like you're trying to get people ultimately. I know he says he wants to get out of fundraising or whatever, but that's his role when he does stuff like this is to get People to donate money to their nonprofit organization. Organization he should be touting sentinel foundation's numbers at this point and trying to emphasize that but he doesn't

0:31:07 Thomas: Or if that's them giving money to something thing that also says they maybe did that yeah I don't know

0:31:33 Clip: Um, it's just a, you know, it'S, it' s that generational fact, right? I just, I just don't, you now, I want people to, to see that there's, there's still good in this world, even in the darkest days, even the most evil, you know, places it's, it''s, it ''s that never that child's fault, right, then it'' s not that child'' s fault that evil became on them. And, uh, if we can pull them out of that and they can live a long, happy life and they can, you have children one day and, and succeed and grow and live, not just American dream, just live live live life right what god intended then you know I've done my part anything else while we got mad in here I I have it's more of a statement just that I never realized that you know drugs for instance you sell them once and they're done they can be confiscated and they'RE sold right um for but if they're confiscated by the government there's money there with a child they can be sold five to ten times in one day so to me just the thought of that god if that does not wake

0:32:05 Thomas: Yeah what five to ten times in one day is there like a child stock market like what I mean call me naive what is that like what are they talking about yeah is it impossible that something like that has ever happened I I guess it's not impossible but like think of the infrastructure that would

0:32:46 Lydia: I don't know I honestly do not

0:32:59 Thomas: Have to go into to whatever that is where like if regularly like all the time children were sold five times in a day like what I don't is she talking about a different country maybe like is it a I guess if it's like a really terrible war -torn country where there's no government or authorities and it's just like pure hell like I guess but I don' t know just stuff like that you're like I there's no I don'' t understand how that could be true

0:32:59 Lydia: Know maybe yeah I really don't Know I'm like trying to do a quick little googling and stuff just to see

0:33:27 Thomas: Google a guinness world record for most times child sold

0:33:29 Lydia: Well I I was like yeah I was trying to be careful like I don' t want to type something that's going gonna make me end up on a yeah I just said children are sold is all I said I don't know no I got a wikipedia article for child selling and yeah yeah so there's there's child selling and it's like but this is for non -exploitative adoption for selling for exploitation see trafficking of

0:33:33 Thomas: Yeah like want ad for children that's not gonna do it okay yeah it's some of the most depressing awful stuff in the world obviously oh okay this is where I want to give him like a slight amount of credit

0:33:56 Clip: Something up care of society and taking care of the most vulnerable and doing something you know where that living living like jesus yeah you know if churches started living like jesus you know and and um you know following following what jesus said I think the world will be a much better place um but they're not you know you got pastors flying around in private jets and you know living in mansions and I just I don't I just don't understand the church right now I know there's some good churches out there sure but overall the church is just

0:34:30 Thomas: I wish you could see the look on the host's face when he said that it looked like a masterful performance of like throwing shade but saying sure like sure his face was just like dead I don't know how closely associated with any given church they are but like, I mean, I didn't mind that sentiment out of him. That's nice. Yeah. That's what I'm always asking.

0:34:32 Lydia: Children yeah yeah

0:34:49 Thomas: Like, can't anyone, a conservative or Christian, actually follow what Jesus said at all?

0:34:49 Lydia: Yep

0:34:53 Clip: Corrupted and just as evil with a couple of churches here in nashville we're working with them on their uh on how they can amplify their digital presence to bring people back right and there's an opportunity to educate when they're doing that you know what I mean re is there

0:35:09 Thomas: You know, maybe I'm reading into it, but he's like, yeah, so we work with churches on their digital stuff. Like, you know, after Matt Murphy just bashed churches, it felt like he's kind of, yeah. He's kind to be, well, I didn't say that, but it felt, it felt like he was kind of maybe be being like um you know ex-nay on the urge chay uh

0:35:15 Lydia: Churches house pedophiles yeah I know I know yeah

0:35:27 Thomas: We work with churches who knows oh yeah and here we go uh

0:35:28 Clip: Anything else while we got mad in here just one child it's wrong that's right but there's millions and this is a global issue it's an american issue and with the immigration that we've allowed to come in we don't know who's here we have no clue who's right or how many of them are here or what's happening to them I mean it's hard enough for americans to find a job where are they working I'd like to know I mean and you know what's happening to the kids so there's there's a lot of questions and answers that that that need to come out and the government needs to get more involved that but but charities like the central foundation that you know I'm part of and president of and um and and many others are doing a lot of good work and we and we need help we need support to be able to even try to put a dent in this and I hate to say put a dent in uh something bad happening to children but you know it's uh we it's the scale that this problem is if you took every law enforcement agent this this is a fact from the mouth of one of the top guys in online security if you took every opera operative cop law

0:36:28 Thomas: You ready for a fact

0:36:31 Clip: Enforcement federal state and local in the United States of America and you put them to work child crimes they would not be able to keep up with the caseload Wow hmm that's correct that's a raising so fact statistical fact based on the amount of cases and time cops have so just imagine what's actually being investigated less than one percent what can we do to help what can

0:36:52 Thomas: He said if you took every single police officer in the whole country in federal state and local and put them to work child crimes they would not be able to keep up with the caseload it's like I don't think that's true I mean unless like unless you you throw in like just other child protective servicey foster what like if you just throw in every single thing that's called a case that's related to children maybe but I that still seems kind of hard to believe to me but it's all these claims where you're like how do you even quantify like I'm trying to research it but it's like I don't how do I how do I check whether or not if you took every cop and put them together and made a super cop yeah it's like okay yeah

0:37:02 Lydia: Doubtful missing children yeah yeah yeah like you have to do like a time study of like their work like sit down and track everything related to the job extrapolate out build in relief

0:37:50 Ad: [Ad break 3 — ad music]

0:37:50 Thomas: All right we are almost ready to wrap up just have to go through the whole thing one more time top to bottom yeah just to just to make sure we have it uh yeah yeah.

0:37:55 Lydia: Factor from the beginning kidding. Is that a pretty good rewind noise? Okay. Pretty bad. Could it? I mean, I would say it's like, you could just say it was fine. I don't know that has to be. I feel like there are worse ways to do rewind noises than what I just did. Anyway.

0:38:06 Thomas: No, pretty bad. That was what you did. That was my impression of your noise. Yeah, but then I'd be lying. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. All right. There is something, there's a little nugget here that is, is I think might be important tax form wise. We still haven't gotten to the tax forms, We did in alternate universe, but I realized it wasn't good enough. And so I cut it and we will get to it in this universe. I think later, once we get our shit together better on it. But this is an important little nugget for that.

0:38:53 Clip: We do what is the foundation need you guys are going um you guys I mean it's just getting started in my opinion well the

0:38:59 Thomas: You know, traditionally in the, what can we do to help? Where do people go? That's when you're like, oh, okay. Thank God it's wrapping up. I just look at the playhead here. 22 more minutes after this. Yeah. Yeah.

0:38:59 Clip: Growth is you know this foundation has been rescuing kids since 2016 all over the the planet and uh they've done that on have some of the biggest foundations that you that you've heard of you know um and I'll keep that you know because I just I just don't like to toss names and things around like that but um I'll I'll throw people who aren't doing their job under the bus real quick but uh you know I'll uh but when it comes to supporters I you know leave it like it is I'll just say this the foundation has been very fortunate that a couple um wealthy individuals have have agreed to as of now and that could always change uh pay the all the admin costs to the foundation you know people salaries and necessary everything that we need on that side so we've been very fortunate on that side we can always use more to hire more people right you know if you look at it

0:39:49 Lydia: Hmm. Oh, my God, I hate it.

0:39:54 Thomas: God, I want to get that sound effect now and just prank you with it all the time. So this is very interesting. I think I, crap, I think I left some of the discussion of this in there, but I think I left in the edit, hopefully folks are here, have heard that I can't find him listed as president anywhere, Matt Murphy.

0:40:11 Thomas: I think this is why. And also, I think this is why, there's like no, there aren't the payroll costs, sorry, the high paid costs in the forms. We'll go through it, like I said, a little more. But I was thinking about it and I was like, wait, that, I mean, on one hand you might think, oh, okay. Wealthy individual paying all the like overhead admin. That's great. Right. Cause that means all the rest is going to the whatever. On the other hand, I actually think accounting wise and IRS wise, I don't, yeah, I do not think that works because then you are totally deceiving people on your expense percentage. You know, like you are saying, oh, we are a hundred percent basically or whatever, you know, we're at 90 something percent, but it turns

0:40:40 Lydia: I think you're still supposed to list it. Yeah yeah yeah uh

0:40:53 Thomas: Out you're accepting a donation one way or the other. Who knows what this arrangement is? Like, I don't know. I mean, maybe it's all above board, but like that means it has to be in some other entity or organization. That's not cool. Yeah.

0:41:04 Lydia: Yeah if it if if it's in another entity but then even

0:41:09 Thomas: You would have to list it.

0:41:09 Lydia: Still yeah you would and when people give gifts for nonprofits especially like high dollar gifts you can put for it to be used for this purpose like that's how underwriters I'm thinking about like nonprofit community theater situations and you have underwriters for productions they give a large gift and it is to be used for this particular production slot in the season. I'm pretty sure that a high wealth donor can donate a significant amount and their gift is earmarked, designated for costs related to this. And then, you know, there's probably like language about if the gift is over and beyond those expenses, then what do you do with the remainder kind of thing?

0:41:50 Lydia: But yeah, I don't think you just get to skip out on that.

0:41:50 Thomas: Yeah, I want to emphasize that I'm speculating. It could be that this donation is in their paperwork and that they're also still not listing this guy. That seems weird. Here's what I want to say. I want to say there is a possibility here. A possibility that is consistent with what we're seeing is there are some of these organizations that donate to each other lots of money, hundreds of thousands, sometimes half a million or more dollars.

0:42:00 Lydia: It's all very unclear. Mm-hm. Yeah.

0:42:18 Thomas: Now, what if Sentinel Foundation is giving a very large grant to an organization and then that organization is paying Matt Murphy, but then and conveniently, no one knows what that is or where to check when you list their pay. And then also, as I've discovered in the tax forms, they don't put anything about where their money goes in detail.

0:42:44 Thomas: It'll just be like, well, we sent $500,000 to the something foundation. We don't know what that is or where it went. Yeah. And sometimes they don't even put it in. It doesn't look like this is policed very hard. So if you were trying to get a lot of money out of a nonprofit, as in if you were trying to benefit a lot, if you pay yourself that, or if the nonprofit pays you, it has to list that.

0:42:44 Lydia: For very ambiguous purposes. Yeah. Right.

0:43:06 Thomas: And it's pretty prominent. It's like one of the first things in the 990 that you see. If instead you were hypothetically giving a bunch of money to another organization, for one, it's not clear to me how much they're even putting that.

0:43:06 Lydia: Yeah, right.

0:43:20 Thomas: For two, when they do put it, it is the bottom fucking page where it's like, oh, we gave this to that. And three, hypothetically, that organization might be paying and no one's going to check. No one's gonna think, hey, I need to check out the Sentinel Foundation. Oh, look, like actually they're not paying people too much. Oh, what a good organization. Their admin costs are low. Their salaries are not even, you know, like nothing. But meanwhile, it's actually through a sequence of transfers back and forth that they're putting this pay. What if there is no wealthy couple? You know? Know?

0:43:54 Lydia: So either way, I mean, there could be a third option, right, that we're not really gaming out here. But of the two things that we can think of that are potentially happening, either way it could be weird. Like, again, for that first situation, if there is a wealthy couple or family or donor or whatever that is paying for all those overhead costs, now you have a situation where someone is reducing their, like, taxable income potentially by, like – like, how are they claiming things on their end, too? It all feels strange.

0:44:23 Thomas: Maybe. It really depends on where that is, because like I said, I'm guessing that that's in another entity because he's not listed in the documents. He's not listed and there isn't his salary in the tax documents. So I'm guessing that means it's in another entity. Now, if it's not in another entity, that honestly could be worse, because then where is he in the paperwork? Why isn't he in the 990 if he's the president, you know, or is he just bullshitting and he's he's not the president. I doubt that's true because he's out there doing this. And, you know, like I think that would be incredibly noticeable. So all kind of three of those options that I just laid out are weird.

0:44:54 Lydia: I don't – yeah, I doubt that. Mm -hmm.

0:45:05 Thomas: I don't know what it is. It's entirely possible I'm missing something. Something feels very weird about what's going on here. So we're going to keep perusing those tax documents, see if we have an episode out of that. I'm not sure. I think a lot of that is just, and a lot of the reason I cut it is a lot of it is just like, oh, they don't have to put where that money went.

0:45:24 Thomas: And we're like, great. I don't know where the fucking money went.

0:45:26 Lydia: These forms are not helpful at all.

0:45:28 Thomas: Yeah. And it's like, and it mostly checks out. Like it's not, there's nothing like glaring in there except this. This is the one thing where I'm like, he should be listed in the fucking 990. This interview that we're going through, remember is two years old or a little bit more. It's almost three years old. So it wasn't like a delay. Yeah. I'll spot him 2023 or something. But like in 2024, unless he got fired, you know, I could check. I don't think he got fired, but that would be weird. Like maybe like if you, yeah, I can't, I'm trying to think there aren't that many possibilities that would make that make sense.

0:45:37 Lydia: Yeah, he should be at the very least in the most recent one.

0:46:00 Lydia: Yeah, I think even if he were fired, it still should show up because you indicate the number of months that a person served in that role.

0:46:03 Thomas: It should show up at some point. Yeah. There should be. Yeah, you don't just go like, oh, well, we don't have to do it. You know, like you don't do that. So the point I was making is we may do a financial focused episode. Folks can let us know if they're interested in that. And also we need to see if there's anything more we come up with along those lines, because it was mostly dead ends before.

0:46:24 Thomas: Except us, like I said. Next episode, we're likely taking a little break to do a one-off Adventure Monster of the Week in the form of milk. But next episode in this series, I want to go over some of the actual numbers and the actual how ridiculous a lot of the claims are on trafficking, what it actually is, what we can say about it. There's a lot interesting stuff there because it is just such a moral panic, you know? But at the same time, you know, there's also, I want it to be accurate, like there's a sliver of reality here and there's some bad stuff happening in the world, obviously. But the amount of money that this raises and the amount that MAGA gets all fearful, it keeps them in there. You know, like the fascists need fear all the time.

0:46:46 Lydia: Course. Yeah,

0:47:04 Thomas: You're afraid of trans people. You're free to get people. They're afraid. They're terrified. It's the manly party.

0:47:09 Lydia: There's snowflakes.

0:47:09 Thomas: They're so fucking macho, but they're afraid of literally everything all the time. And this is a major thing. It's a way that they can have that nebulous enemy that they think is Bill Clinton in the left or whatever, or, or Nancy Pelosi and all those people to illustrate that. I want a final clip from this interview. I think this might illustrate that pretty well

0:47:29 Clip: Being a christian a child is the most innocent and closest to god right yes and because of that evil is always after them right and it is our duty as parents not just parents as adults as honorable human beings to take our head out of the sand and and turn this country back the course back of this country right where we're protecting our children in all means yeah you know but but as Christians you know and as as warriors like the guys that I work with and gals at the Sentinel Foundation our job and we sends our calling is to go out there and rescue the most vulnerable children right and you know protect God's you know because his innocent creation it's it's all it is and that's right unfortunately evil right now has free reign on our children because of technology because of the internet because of iPhones and iPads and just because of society the morality and the values decaying and you know I think with if there's one thing that we have left in this country that we can agree on no matter our religion our children you know I'm sorry our our our political affiliations where we're raised you know what color our skin is you know what we choose to do with our our sex lives and identify as all this other crap that's going out there we live in probably the most divided period in american history right and a house divided will not stand said abraham lincoln amen brother and you know that's we're gonna talk for about four

0:47:40 Thomas: Nothing to do with anything yep

0:49:03 Clip: More hours on that one that's right but if there is one thing I I believe it's the only thing that we have left as americans as as christians and as parents and adults that can do something is to rally behind protecting our children because once we can't protect our children there's just one simple fact that I want to leave with america we will not have america anymore right once we lose this generation once we've lost our children and that's not just sexual exploitation and trafficking but that's just to all the other things that are after them their minds and their morals right now once we've not protected our children enough as a majority we don't have

0:49:37 Lydia: The woke left.

0:49:38 Thomas: Their minds and their morals

0:49:43 Clip: America anymore that's what I'd like to leave them uh that's the challenge I would like to leave with adults that's a fact and I don't want to know what the next thing looks like

0:49:50 Lydia: Left

0:49:50 Thomas: It's just a fact it's a fact there you go there you have it so this guy who allegedly does commando style raids to arrest pedophiles that no one else seemingly could the whole police doesn't want to arrest they don't touch him he's also like and also they're after your kids morals. And once we lose that, we lose the whole country. So I think that illustrates the very simple math that they're doing, which is keep you afraid, keep you worried. Allegedly, this is because a nonprofit is not supposed to be explicitly for a political like candidate or all the, I forget those rules, but right. And so it's never any of that, but it's all this vague, like they're after our morals. They're after their, he did let slip before too, where he's like

0:50:05 Lydia: Yeah on foreign land yeah yeah right not as a 501(c)(3) yeah

0:50:37 Thomas: They're, they're trying to, you know, convert your child's sexual identity, essentially, in so many words. So the message is loud and clear. The leftists are coming for your children and this organization needs your money to shoot them with guns, basically, in so many words.

0:50:50 Lydia: God I didn't even mean it like that yeah

0:50:55 Thomas: No, I was doing it. That was, that was me doing it and that's what I'll leave you with. So much more to talk about with this moral panic, really interesting stuff, but I think we might be taking a little break, a little detour to talk about milk. Can't wait. The woke are after your milk. Did you know? So next time on Where There's Woke, we'll see you then.

0:50:57 Lydia: A little diversion I googled boob to see if I was one Google away from porn

0:51:43 Thomas: And therefore, I need more guns.

0:51:46 Clip: We see kids now five to six years old addicted to porn

0:51:50 Thomas: Well, he worked for the government, so.

0:51:51 Lydia: Hub yeah doesn't even want to get into how they figured this out yeah

0:51:53 Thomas: Yeah, you can't get into it.