DOD251: ZaaaaBOWnd

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0:00:02 Clip: I'm the cool dad, that's my thing I know now what I can offer you that no one else can Complete and under-dependent I'm a man, I'm sensitive I need to feel loved, I need part of being a father that I enjoy

0:00:28 Tom: Welcome to Dear Old Dads, the podcast that's shooting up to slim down. I'm Tom Curry. I am joined, as always, by Thomas Smith and Eli Bosnick. Hello, gentlemen.

0:00:38 Eli: That's right, everyone. We've started doing heroin for weight loss. It's the only way we can do it.

0:00:38 Thomas: Hello. Yep, it's going well. It's going well.

0:00:43 Tom: It would work. You'd slim down? Heroin chic's a thing.

0:00:46 Thomas: Have you guys noticed some side effects though?

0:00:49 Thomas: Yeah, yeah. It feels like in addition to the weight loss.

0:00:49 Tom: Of the heroin? Yeah, I'm fucking thrilled. Thrilled it's like a warm blanket of joy that cry no yeah no I'm not doing

0:00:52 Eli: Sex feels too good. That's my issue with it. I'm like a jazz musician now.

0:01:02 Thomas: And like a jazz music.

0:01:02 Eli: I'm a really good jazz musician. I don't really know why. I've never played the trombone, but I picked it up the other day, started playing it on our park bench, and the woman next to me started crying. Got back together with her husband. That was pretty much it.

0:01:14 Tom: Heroin I've never had any positive feelings from opiates even when I've had them like for pain stuff or whatever I've

0:01:15 Thomas: Tom, you've never had any positive feelings.

0:01:21 Tom: Had morphine and oxy and

0:01:23 Eli: But you were in the middle of being in tom levels of pain that's not fair tom that's like me being like I've never really enjoyed a paul thomas anderson movie because the first time I was watching one I was in a car crash and it was playing on the fucking

0:01:27 Tom: Yeah okay that's fair that's Fair I don't know man I've heard like people are like oh my god like I had you know I took this for this medical thing and like it was awesome and I'm like I fucking have never

0:01:44 Eli: They were in normal human amounts of pain tom they went in to get an operation done on their foot they had oh my back's a little sore and then they took an opiate which fucking rules you're the one who's like so So I'm speared through by this stop sign, right? And the Tyrannosaurus has me in its jaws.

0:02:01 Eli: And I didn't really feel the effects of the opiates. Yeah, man, because your body was trying to die super hard.

0:02:01 Tom: Had yeah all right that's fair

0:02:07 Thomas: They don't work on demon demon related traumas you know like the demon doesn't respond to the pill the

0:02:12 Tom: That's seems fair

0:02:14 Eli: It's like when someone tells you, like, oh, I don't really like weed. And then they tell you that they had the worst possible first weed experience. And it's like, I really like Thai food. We were raided by terrorists while I was trying Pad Kee Mao. And I've just never really enjoyed the taste. It's, you know, it's all the blood that splattered over the potkey mouth while I was trying to eat it.

0:02:35 Tom: It does ruin it every time

0:02:37 Eli: Opiates

0:02:38 Thomas: Thing the opiate of the

0:02:38 Eli: Are a great moment. Opioid of the Marist is, they're a great momento check in and remember that you are a meat puppet. Because when you are in a tremendous amount of pain, or discomfort, or scared, or sad, or whatever it is you're going through, and then someone who truly just did like a night program walks over and just squirts a thing into a thing barely connected to you. 40 minutes ago, they pinched your hand, but they come over and they click a button and your whole life changes? Like the whole part of your life that was in pain. And again, Tom, we're talking about normal people.

0:03:15 Tom: Yeah uh this is not my experience at all I've

0:03:21 Eli: Okay, Genghis Khan? There's not no I'm talking about normal people experiences if you hooked yourself up to some morphine right now in the normal times you'd be like this is nice stop waiting until you're hit by a cement mixer yeah

0:03:38 Tom: Never all right maybe that's fair maybe that'S fair but eli what are you shooting up these days because it's not heroin

0:03:45 Eli: They're great I am shooting up zubound glp1s

0:03:52 Thomas: Mess what oh I don't I don'T know that one

0:03:53 Tom: Zep bound yeah Yeah.

0:03:53 Eli: Baby zepbound is the uh glp -1 the weight loss drug for fatties so for those of you who are unfamiliar and hey let me say at the outset here because I'm saying a bunch of nice things about this medicine and I want to say a couple of things right up here at the front which is I understand that there's a lot of body shaming that goes on for big -bodied people and if you're a big -body person who's happy with the way you look and feel I love that for you and nothing that I'm Saying about my body is an inference about what you should do with yours you should feel good you should talk to your doctor the second thing I'll will remind you is that I am not a doctor. I am, in fact, four levels stupider than you need to be to be a doctor, right? I have not yet reached the could -maybe -be -a -doctor -someday levels of intelligence, so anything I say about medicine that might sound like advice or things that I believe are true or false, you should take with as big a grain of salt as you would if I waved you forward while holding a stop sign and then gave you this advice. You understand? I am NOT Not at the stop sign waving man level of intelligence. That said, GLP -1s are a fucking miracle and

0:04:58 Thomas: Yeah they're the best that's what I've said

0:04:58 Eli: Everybody should do them. Everybody should do the people

0:05:01 Thomas: This is gonna be that great part of the show or something I've set a bunch of times now that eli's validated it with his own experience he can say it for the first time he can be like nobody knows this information that I

0:05:06 Eli: Will rise up. Nobody knows this, but

0:05:13 Tom: GLP -1s, nobody's talked or written about these.

0:05:13 Thomas: Have what

0:05:13 Eli: They're the fucking best. Nobody's talked about these. OK, so let me explain for those of you who are in the loop. So there are these drugs and the one that you know about is Ozempic or Wegovi, right? And these were drugs for diabetes people and they were giving them to people with diabetes. And they were like, hey, these people with diabetes are also losing a bunch of weight. And Big Pharma was like, cha -ching! And it was like dude, you're not supposed to say cha -cing out loud. And it's like, but cha -qing though, right? And they're like, yeah, cha ching. So they figured that out and they were guys, a bunch of people are cheating and saying they have diabetes. They could have these. We got to make one just for fat people like Eli. No, no, no. Trust me, as Thomas can tell you, they do not. They're just like diabetes. Yeah, sure.

0:05:46 Tom: I feel like that's something they test for. Like, I don't know.

0:05:54 Eli: You, you don't like candy, right. Or you do like candy. I don't know. One of those things. Here you go thanks for the subscription so they made one for fat people called Zepbound and it is a fucking miracle so if you're not a fat person listening to this this is going to sound insane but here's what I need you to understand my whole life I have just thought of myself as a failure in a thing that no one else had troubles with, which is that everyone else would eat food and then be full. They ate a normal amount of food and then they were full and then they didn't need any more food. And I never did that. I would eat until I felt sick or I was on some diet where I would eat a certain amount and I would think I'm still hungry and then I'd be cranky and upset upset and like really emotional about how little food I was getting. And I wasn't losing weight fast enough. So I always felt, I felt horrible all the time. And then last Friday I took a little magic needle, which I should point out four weeks worth because of my university insurance costs $25 fucking dollars. That's how much I

0:05:59 Tom: Good

0:06:06 Thomas: A weird name

0:07:07 Tom: For you. That's awesome.

0:07:07 Eli: Paid for this shit. $25 for four weeks of this shit? Yeah, no. So that's the other thing that I want to warn people about, but we'll get to that in a the same. $25. I go in, I poke myself in the tumners. I'm like, I don't like needles. I don' like needles, this might suck. Didn't

0:07:22 Thomas: I pay out the ass for this shit wow nah it's fine Yeah. Wow.

0:07:22 Eli: Even feel it. I clicked the thing, couldn't fucking feel it. Clicked again, it was like, you're all done. I was like huh, that's weird. Next day, just felt normal. Here's the thing that's so fucking crazy about this medicine. I just feel well fed all the the time. I don't feel nauseous. I don't feel sick. I don't feel different. I feel changed. It's just the part of me that used to finish typing a sentence in my computer and go cookie break doesn't want a cookie anymore or I'll eat a normal serving of food the last six days. I've eaten a normal serving of food at dinner and gone. Yep. That's enough delicious and then I'm done eating.

0:08:06 Tom: That's insane. Eli, as somebody who, like, I can completely identify, and my boys are the same way. Like, I don't really understand the idea of not being, I don't know that I'm necessarily hungry so much as like, I always want to eat. And those two things are very different. And like, when I eat my whole life, I've most of my life, I should say, I picked meals based on the quantity that would be given.

0:08:30 Tom: I look at a menu and my first worry would be if I pick that, that won't be enough food. So like, I did not most of my life pick foods that I wanted to eat based on what they tasted like. I picked almost everything based on the quantity first, like the serving size of anything is all of it. You eat until it's gone, like whatever it is, if it's ice cream or chips or it's right, everything is just eat until it's done. They were all external cues that I was done eating, I guess is what I'm saying, right? Like, yeah, right. There's no more food. That's it. Yeah. So I can totally identify with that. I will tell you, I have a whole bunch of rules for myself to avoid that.

0:08:43 Eli: A volume. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Eat it till it's gone. Clean plate club. Right.

0:08:58 Eli: People were screaming. People were crying. My baby, my baby. The woman reading.

0:09:10 Tom: I don't keep food in my office where I work. I don't keep food in my car. I don't buy food that I think of as treat foods ever at the grocery store. They have to be purchased as a pain in the ass. Because I know if I buy ice cream, I'm going to eat the ice cream that day.

0:09:23 Eli: Yeah, you I need ice cream the first day. First day I buy ice cream, I'm just going to grab the pint out of the fridge and sit down. I'm going to eat the whole pint.

0:09:29 Tom: Which, if that's what I want to do, that's fine. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to order ice cream and I'm gonna eat that ice cream today. Or like, if I make something for Haley, it has to be 100 % Haley's. Because if it's ours I'm gonna eat all of it like she'll get a serving of it and then like I'll be like yeah I'm fucking ate the whole thing I have a lot of the same problems I guess like I'm right there with you

0:09:48 Eli: Here's what I used to have to do because I'm a vegan and so milk and meat make me sick. So if I bring something to someone's house, I bring bring something that has an ingredient in it that I can't eat so that I don't eat it. Because if I would bring a cake over to someone's house and it was a vegan cake and they just had a slice, if it's there, I'm going to eat the rest of the fucking slices. Now, some people call this food noise and it's just fucking gone.

0:10:00 Tom: Smart

0:10:14 Eli: It's just gone. So I've been a calorie counter. I mean, I probably was like 12 or 13 the first time I tried calorie counting. I remember the first calorie counting app. I remember Weight Watchers points. I still sometimes convert Weight Watcher's points in my fucking head just out of habit. I'm like, okay, 400 calories, but there's protein. I have been counting calories because you got to make sure you have enough protein when you're on ZipBound. You don't have to count calories. It just fucking works. But I've been counting salaries because I want to make Sure I Have Enough Protein. That's a big thing. They're like, if you don't want to look like a skeleton outside a Halloween adventure, you should, you know, maybe monitor your macros. And I was like, hell, I've be counting calories my whole fucking life. I'll do it. Since the day I started taking Zepbound, I have been under my calorie limit every day without trying

0:10:14 Tom: Yeah that's amazing yeah it's awesome

0:11:00 Eli: There has not been a single day where I've got because here's what I used to do right I used to plan every fucking meal okay this many cups and this many seconds and then I would barely make it to the end of the day and then it would be like six o'clock at night and I'd be so fucking hungry and I can't go to sleep yet so I would just be like okay what can I eat all right I can eat two clementines and three pickles and I would just like try and eat them slow or cut them into tiny pieces so that I was somehow fooling myself into it. I eat my meal I'm not hungry again until it's time to eat the next meal. I eat then and then I'm not hungry again until bedtime yeah

0:11:00 Thomas: The best. Do you do the thing where you don't finish meals now? That was crazy to me. It was like, oh, I just can't finish my dinner. I was like this is is weird. Yeah.

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0:11:53 Tom: So I'm the skeptic about these glp ones for sure I'm glad that they're working for you guys and I'm not like shitting on them I do not want to come across that way

0:12:00 Thomas: Tom is like, I think you guys are lying. That's the skepticism.

0:12:03 Tom: No no I'm just saying that no I just

0:12:04 Eli: He said that before the record everybody yeah

0:12:06 Tom: Because I've looked at them everybody has like who hasn't looked at these like I've looked at them and like I have like concerns about them like when I read up on these things like a lot of people and it sounds like you're not Eli because you're being careful to maintain a high protein diet but like an enormous amount of the weight that people often lose because they lose weight so fast is lean muscle mass and not fat and they don't distinguish people very frequently I should say don't distinguish the difference they just look at the scale going down and they associate that with good but burning through your lean muscle mass is not good that's bad for your overall health and reduces your basal metabolic rate and like you got to be very careful there like right I mean like you you at least have that piece in check

0:12:49 Eli: Yeah yeah the thing about cheat code and it is a cheat code right like the other thing that a lot of people don't want to talk about when they come around these is like that it's it's cheating and I'm like cheating's fucking great are you kidding cheating's a fucking miracle I know I've talked about it on this show before but like the first time max had a fever and I felt him hot in my arms and I was like oh this is when someone's baby dies all except like 48 years ago everyone just went ah shit I'm gonna lose this one too and then I was like here's the oh you don't like the cherry flavored one here'sthe grape flavored one that's the one you'll okay if you consent to have the grape flavored miracle and then he was fine is cheating right my baby should have fucking died of a fever but he didn't because of the grape flavored Miracle this is the Miracle tummy stab right it's the Miracles

0:13:03 Tom: Yeah I got no problem with cheating that's not yeah right

0:13:43 Eli: Tummy stab but I think a lot of people because we have been sold this bill of goods about how much weight loss is about willpower and making good choices and it's

0:13:50 Thomas: That's all so stupid.

0:13:50 Tom: Yeah that's fucking nonsense yeah I don't want I don't want to sound like I'm going down that road at all I'm not yeah

0:13:54 Eli: About no no no but I think because people have have internalized that so much that when they start cheating, right? When they find this amazing thing, they're like, right. They're just like, fuck it. I'll never eat again. Like one of the big things that my doctor warned me about is he was like, Hey, you're not going to feel like starving at mealtimes. You still have to remember to eat. And if I'm in a huge rush to lose weight because I finally got together the 9 ,854 ,672 dollars it costs for this thing. And I stabbed stab myself in the tummy, I'm not eating fucking dinner. Are you kidding me? I'm going to eat a single cracker because I'm Not Hungry. And then I get to wake up 10 pounds lighter than I did. And all that horrible shit happens to you.

0:14:36 Eli: Yeah. The other thing is, because these drugs have been introduced and recommended for weight loss for such a short amount of time, there is a tremendous amount of bullshit around them. There's a tremendous amount of pseudoscience and stuff that's not medically relevant. If you look up advice for GLP -1s, which I did, you will find thousands of videos of people just straight up lying about what you should do to make GLP ones work better. Well, you got to inject them here. No, you gotta inject them hier. Well you gotta eat a high protein meal one hour

0:15:13 Tom: Right into your eyeballs is the right thing to do right yeah

0:15:14 Thomas: Yeah Jesus.

0:15:14 Eli: Before you're right. Exactly. Gotta go right into the pee hole. And then you fucking ask the grownups, you're like, Hey, grownups, does any of that matter? And they're like, no, no. We put it on the little insert if it matters. No, it says there's laws about what matters. We have to tell you what matters. Those those people just want to sell you a course, right? They just call themselves a fucking GLP -1 coach and hope you'll pay their $300 a month.

0:15:24 Tom: Yeah yeah good

0:15:37 Eli: And so there's just a tremendous amount of misinformation and pseudoscience around it. But yeah, it's fucking miraculous. It's the best.

0:15:45 Tom: For you I'm glad you're having good results on it I really am like is it your intention to just stay on it permanently right like that's the other part of it is the weight does typically return

0:15:56 Eli: Fast yeah they haven't been around long enough for anyone to be like I've been on it for 30 years and this is how I fucking managed right for weight loss because there are people with diabetes obviously people with diabetes just incorporate it into their medicine schedule it looks like you probably have to stay on a maintenance dose but you're fucking I don't fucking care yeah yeah I'm all fucking into it

0:16:14 Thomas: Like I said, who cares? Yeah, it's not hard.

0:16:17 Tom: I guess like the only reason I bring it up is that that narrative is very often not part of the narrative like there's a huge number number of people that take these drugs, and partially because they're so expensive for so many people, and they want to lose as much weight as they can as quickly as they can, which is very understandable, and then stop taking them because they are so expensive. And like one of the worries when you do that is like if you lose the weight very quickly, a lot of the studies show that 40 to 60 percent of that weight loss is muscle mass loss. And then when you stop taking them, if you just stop taking them, most of those people will regain the weight.

0:16:54 Tom: But the problem is that because these drugs are so effective and they are making billions and billions of dollars, those pieces of the narrative are not as well known. So people think they can just take them for a short period of time, lose all the weight because they can, and then stop taking it. And then they find out they've chewed through all their lean muscle mass, their basal metabolic rate is lower, and now they've regained all the way or more. And they're just because we're not telling people the whole piece, right? Like you got to tell everybody everything.

0:17:23 Thomas: I haven't heard of anybody who gains the weight back. Like I just don't know anybody is that I don't know any celebrity use that. I don' t know who that's happened to.

0:17:30 Tom: They're probably on a maintenance dose.

0:17:32 Thomas: Yeah that's what I'm Like, but

0:17:33 Tom: If you stop taking it, you gain it back is the thing. Yeah. So it's a lifelong commitment. But there's a lot of people that don't understand that it's a lifelong commit. I'm just bringing that up because it is.

0:17:34 Thomas: So sure, sure. Is that a, yeah, I

0:17:43 Eli: That's the other problem too right now I will say I have an advantage here because uh I don' t know if you all know this but when I was 11 they were like Like, hey, take this pill every day. And I was like, oh, till when? And they were like, ha ha.

0:17:52 Thomas: Know. That's what I said. I already did this in the episode. This is all, it was a shock to me. I thought you had to do a shot every single day. And I was like, okay, I could do that. And then I found out it's one nothing shot per week. And it's like, yeah dude, I take 40 pills a day for my brain.

0:17:56 Eli: I don't think so, Thomas. I'm bringing this up for the first time. You're not even on GLP -1s.

0:18:14 Thomas: I don't care.

0:18:14 Eli: Yeah, there's nothing.

0:18:16 Thomas: Like that is nothing, which is what if you and I are lying? I agree. No, I'm just kidding.

0:18:17 Eli: But Tom speaks to a really important problem that's true of all medicine, all pharmaceuticals.

0:18:25 Tom: I'm not saying you're lying at all. No, no, no. Yeah. No.

0:18:27 Eli: No, which is that doctors don't say, don't abuse this pharmaceutical. It's incredibly difficult to talk around that, right? All the ways in which someone should not use a thing. But generally speaking, right, there is a ton of information that doctors are not in communication with. Now, some of them are better about that. There are now some influencers who understand like, oh, when I give my patient X, they're going to see a bunch of shit online that says Y. I need to protect them from that. But for the most part, doctors operate under the my patients will read the label. They will do what it says on the label, they will not do anything more than what it says on the label. They will not assume that what it says on the label continues forever or is only needed for that. So a really good example of this is, um, antibiotics.

0:19:04 Thomas: Yeah, they absolutely won't. Yeah, that's it.

0:19:06 Tom: Yeah, that's insane.

0:19:17 Thomas: Yeah.

0:19:17 Eli: You know how your antibiotics have that really fucking condescending, like take all your antibiotics.

0:19:22 Thomas: Yeah, it's like really important, though. Like, you got to fucking, that is one you got to do.

0:19:24 Eli: A tremendous percentage of people do not finish their antibiotics because they feel better and they're like, well,

0:19:33 Thomas: You got to finish your fucking antibiotics, everybody.

0:19:33 Eli: I took antibiotics till I'm not sick anymore. I feel fine. So no more antibiotics. I'll put these in the medicine cabinet. And then next time I need antibiotics, I'll have two eighths of the way to the amount of antibiotics they need. And it is truly within the last 30 to 40 years that doctors have understood you need to explicitly tell patients that you have to take every single dose of antibiotics. The white paper for Z -Packs at at this point, is that your office should call your patient on day three of their antibiotics, which is when most people start to see symptoms subside and go, hey, how you feeling? A little better, glad to hear it. Don't stop taking your fucking antibiotics.

0:20:17 Tom: Well, I will say like my and your experience may be very different. I will Say that my personal experience too is that never in in my life, have I been prescribed something and had a doctor actually have a conversation with me about side effects? No, pharmacist doesn't have a conversation about anything.

0:20:30 Thomas: No, the pharmacist does, though, what? Oh, man, they always want to, and I have to wave it for like every single time I have to be like, I don't want to do that. Really? What the fuck?

0:20:34 Tom: I've never had a pharmacist have a conversation with except for to hand me the drugs.

0:20:42 Tom: Oh, I've never had literally in my entire life, no pharmacist has ever had a conversation with me about these things.

0:20:47 Thomas: Oh, you know, it's so funny because to me, I feel like they're really lonely and they want to, you know, like, I feel like they're always disappointed when they're like, you don't, it it's like the, my favorite bit from the labyrinth where he's like, beware. He's like oh, please, can I still say it? It's been so long since I've gotten to say it.

0:20:53 Eli: When they wave you down to their little chat shack.

0:21:03 Thomas: You know, it's like that. Like he wants to, he wants to give me a spiel and I'm like, yeah, man, I've been taking this for a hundred years. Don't, don't.

0:20:57 Tom: I think a huge part of the problem is that an enormous number of the doctors, at least here, so I know this is very regional, at least here in the Chicagoland area, it's pretty much impossible to go to a doctor that is not part of a managed care practice. Almost all of the doctors out here are part of an hospital group or a similar managed care process. Finding an actual independent physician, good fucking luck. Which means that there's reviews, like any other product or any other provider. And these guys have six or seven minutes and they want a good review.

0:21:41 Thomas: But sorry, just to clarify, even the pharmacy, because like the doctor's one thing. No, I know, but like when you pick it, I'm just curious if this is like different for some reason California doesn't make any sense like when we pick stuff up they'll be like okay the pharmacist wants to go over this with you and they have a whole thing like that's who does this for us I yeah

0:21:44 Tom: No, I'm talking about doctors, not pharmacists. I'm not talking about that. No, that doesn't...

0:21:59 Thomas: Does that not happen

0:22:00 Eli: Never get the weird chat with the lady?

0:22:00 Thomas: What the fuck this is weird

0:22:04 Tom: Yeah. The pharmacist out here will, if there is something that's like an interaction or it's like a new drug, will come over and say some like one sentence thing about like, oh, yeah. OK, have you tried this before? Oh, yeah, yeah I've had. OK, cool. And then they press a button on the machine and they walk away.

0:22:20 Eli: Tom, let me explain the experience I have, and Thomas, you tell me. Here's the experience that I have. I go pick up a new pill, and then they go, and they go she needs to speak to you and then they wave you down to like a little corner of the end of the pharmacy right

0:22:32 Thomas: That's the edge the full edge of the pharmacy and there's like a flag.

0:22:35 Eli: Everyone else is picking up their drugs and then you get put in the punishment corner and then this lady comes over and she says stuff that I'm gonna say 90 % of it isn't true she'll just say this and there's no way it's true she'd be like and hey just so you know if you have grapefruit juice with this you'll fucking die okay if

0:22:37 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah, so true. Yeah, yeah. I feel like

0:22:53 Tom: You can't have grapefruit juice with anything. Yeah.

0:22:53 Eli: You pass by a grapefruit in a grocery store.

0:22:57 Thomas: If we're the people who actually go through with this talk, they're like, oh, this is my chance. I'm going to try some new material on this guy. Oh yeah. And if you take this an odd number hour, you'll fucking fall over. Don't do that.

0:23:09 Eli: Did you maybe uncheck a box that me and Thomas forgot to uncheck?

0:23:12 Thomas: Yeah.

0:23:13 Eli: I'll give you a great example. So we're dealing with some antidepressant stuff. And so this is back in the day. Long story. Basically, I was in college. I went off all of my meds, which was a terrible idea. And then I was on my way to college. I was at a hospital on very, very severe meds. And they were trying to sort of balance out the meds One of the medicines they gave me had an interaction with another medicine where there was a very, very common click on like a light switch psychosis, right? Which was like, if you start taking this antidepressant after you've been on this mood stabilizer, 40 % of people turn around and they're like, not today, Jesus. And they stab someone in the heart or whatever the fuck it was.

0:23:51 Tom: What?

0:23:51 Thomas: Shh.

0:23:52 Eli: And so the pharmacist is explaining this to me. And he's also, I realized now doing a test to make sure I am not experiencing any of of those effects. And so he's like, great. So do you take these with food in the morning? And I'm like, yeah, usually take them at night before bed. And he's before bed is fine. And anybody following you?

0:24:12 Eli: I mean, like on Twitter, because I occasionally, I did a Santa con earlier this year and people thought that was pretty funny to be like, cool, cool. Are there any listening devices in your home put there by the government or any other forces? And I was like, I think the Alexa stuff is probably doing some kind of data collection. And truly it took me like 20 years to realize, oh, he was doing a, a basic screening for paranoia or whatever I was supposed to be expecting.

0:24:32 Thomas: Uh that's so funny that's awesome you can pretty much always get out of it so maybe tom just gets out of it and doesn't remember but I'll tell you I had a recent one and I'm remembering suffering.

0:24:43 Eli: Is it the fact that you don't stop moving your car while you pick up your medicine? Hold it out of the window. Snatch.

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0:24:57 Thomas: I had a recent one that I was actually like, oh, because it was for my kid. I was like, I actually want to listen to this just in case, you know? And so I actually went through the whole, like sit in the punishment corner, wait for the thing, another fucking, somebody's going to call your name again. You have to go through that whole thing. It's a, it's a whole thing, and then it was not any information that I didn't already have. So it was useless, but.

0:25:19 Tom: Like what I what I was going to say before those, like I think a doctor is under way too much fucking pressure. They're treated like they are another consumer type provider in that they're rated and reviewed in those ratings and reviews and customer satisfaction or patient satisfaction surveys, I think, poison the whole system. So that like if the doctor were going to stay like, hey, I'd actually like to counsel you on both the benefits and the potential drawbacks of this medication or tell you about the side effects or any of that. They don't do any ofthat out here. I've literally my entire life never had a doctor discuss a medication as anything other than I'm going to write you a script for this and then they write you the script for it. And that's it. It's not up to the pharmacy. By that time, if I wanted to ask a follow up question or take a different medicine instead, I now have to make another potentially expensive appointment that I might have to wait for. The pharmacy is a bad place to have that conversation, but I do think that because we've commodified the whole experience of medicine as a consumer -related experience, doctors are really reluctant to say stuff like, hey, we can try this. Also, here's the potential side effects and the rate at which they occur. Her literally in my entire life nobody's ever said anything about it it's just like I'll write your script for that and then it's up to you to figure out if that's going to be like maybe a problem and some of these medicines are maybe a problem even some antibiotics can be quite dangerous actually they don't tell you a whole lot but like if you take like cipro for example one of the potential side effects is tendon rupture

0:26:50 Thomas: But holy shit.

0:26:52 Eli: Tommy, sure. That's not just you. Cause I think that might be just the demons in your body. Yeah.

0:26:54 Tom: No it's like guys seriously it is a not even terribly uncommon side effect of an entire class cipro is just one of them there's an entire glass of antibiotics and one of the potential side effects is tendon rupture and like unless you read the whole pamphlet nobody tells you that they're just like yeah just write your fucking thing for cipra and you're like my achilles tendon bursts this guy sometimes happens

0:27:15 Thomas: Well, but it might be like, what's the actual rate of that? Because I do think that you don't if as a doctor, you don'T want to tell most people about stuff. That is just a vanishingly small thing because normal idiots don't understand statistics at all. And they'll be like oh, so that's going to happen to me, huh? That's going you know, it's like it's a tricky balance. I think yeah.

0:27:34 Eli: It's like the people who are like the COVID shot side effects weren't worth it.

0:27:38 Tom: I don't know like I feel like you can't really have informed consent about the medicines that you're taking if nobody informs you

0:27:45 Thomas: Well, but to what level would you need to say like, OK, one fucking person in Texas said that this happened to them when they took the COVID shot like that could go on forever. So I guess I'm saying like if it's stuff, I think there's like should be a statistical threshold that's like, all right, fucking we're not going to bother with this. Yeah.

0:27:55 Tom: No of course not but like no I agree with that there should should be a statistical threshold. But I guess my experience has been that it's literally never does anybody discuss any of the side effects of anything. And I think that's the wrong direction too.

0:28:12 Eli: Oh, see, I was going to say I had that experience with my Zepbound as I go in. Right. So for those of you unfamiliar of my weight loss journey, first of all, what are you doing?

0:28:22 Thomas: So weird.

0:28:22 Eli: Why aren't you following me on my pathway two years ago I went to my GP and I was like hey can I get some of the Govi Ozempic stuff and he was like nah man that's for people with diabetes you're not that fat you should fucking do Noom and I was like dude I've done Noom And he was like you can't have it you can have it You fat piece of shit do a sit -up and I Was like all right fine went and did a sit up gained all the weights back you know the story because you may have lived the story over and over and Over again I go to him this time and And I'm like, what up, man? Turns out, fucking, I don't have any willpower. And he was like, oh, no, no. Dude, why didn't you ask me about Zabound? And I was like what's, what's for, what Zaboud? And he's like, dude, it's the fucking, it for fat people. And I said, what, what what? I'm not kidding you. Disappointment was 45 minutes of exactly what Tom is describing. Where he was, like, this is a side effect.

0:28:59 Tom: I think That's wonderful.

0:29:15 Eli: This is a side effect. Can't take it with this. Can't take it with that. He described to me what needles were in ways that I didn't know you could be wrong about. Needles, right? Like one of them he was like a lot of people they take the safety cap on and then they hold it flat to their hand to test the needle but that'll give you the medicine and I was like why do people do that and he waslike because they're fucking idiots that's why I've had to call him three times three times me and this doctor he's just been like how you feel and I've been like fine man it's fucking miracle and he's like good good don't put the needle into your ball sack and I'm like I hate that you always have to tell me that it's been a fucking trip yeah this

0:29:29 Tom: What?

0:29:49 Thomas: Tom

0:29:51 Tom: That's awesome, man. Like I, that is the absolute antithesis of every experience I've had my whole life.

0:29:57 Thomas: We can just assume that you always have the worst version of everything because it

0:30:00 Eli: Might just be tom luck

0:30:01 Tom: I can't be,

0:30:01 Thomas: Might just be your demon double blind study yeah

0:30:01 Eli: Yeah let's do a patreon goal we take tom to a good doctor for the first time in his life

0:30:07 Tom: I've been, I can be, I've like good experiences. I've just been with Haley on all of her appointments and like seeing how it can go bad I've actually never had a bad experience myself but not from the doctor the doctor's been fine for me but like I've been there a bunch so

0:30:14 Thomas: Nothing bad's ever happened to

0:30:16 Eli: Nothing I'm stronger than them three

0:30:21 Tom: I will say no doctor's ever picked up the phone to call me and see how I am

0:30:22 Thomas: Tom

0:30:27 Eli: Times three fucking times in a week

0:30:27 Tom: That's fucking insane no I've never even heard of that that's a fuck you dreamed that up I do think he's into you yeah did

0:30:28 Thomas: Yeah that's weird I don't know if I yeah

0:30:32 Eli: You think he's into me you think that's it because I got that vibe but I feel like maybe

0:30:37 Tom: You match on Grindr it's

0:30:38 Eli: I thought it was weird when he asked me to jerk off into the cup but I thought maybe that was part of it is that the Zepbound but then

0:30:43 Thomas: That that's not that's not part of the medicine

0:30:44 Tom: It's always part of it. Just which part?

0:30:44 Eli: When he drank it I was like he's a hands -on doctor is what it is no it's fucking great and so here's what I want to say I was very hesitant because I was trapped in this mindset of it's about willpower and if I just stop being such a piece of shit I can fucking do it and hey everybody fucking if you could afford it if your insurance and it's not or or if it's not a financial... You never said anything about this, Thomas. Thomas, you've never said it. Lydia, Lydia, please come in with a Lydia cut.

0:31:04 Thomas: I tried to tell you this it's like I am I here am I a ghost am I yes I did I said okay we're gonna do a best of of...

0:31:14 Tom: The record will show you've never even mentioned these, Thomas Smith. We've never discussed them on the show. There's not an episode about it.

0:31:18 Thomas: Jesus Christ. How was I the first one to get on this stuff out of us? It's so funny.

0:31:22 Eli: Why don't you go have a fucking Lindt chocolate, you piece of shit. Maybe you told us in cursive and that's why we didn't hear you.

0:31:25 Thomas: What is that? Everyone has their cursive, man.

0:31:33 Eli: If you're like me and you struggled with your weight and you and your doctor agree it's a good idea and you're in the hands of a competent medical professional. Hey, let me say something that maybe is a little bit of a piece of shitty thing to say. Because I know it's hard out there to get medicine and I'm super lucky to have cool insurance that covers all my shit, blah, blah. Like, you get it. You get that I get it, right?

0:31:53 Thomas: Yeah, yeah.

0:31:53 Eli: We don't need to have a, well, you know, in South Sudan, the fucking, yeah, man, I know. You know I know, so let's get that out of the way. Here's the thing. I don't fucking, here's the thing, okay? It's great to cheat at this shit and you should cheat. It's not, it was too hard. I couldn't do it. I also couldn't not be sad.

0:32:11 Thomas: The concept of cheating doesn't make any sense because like I said in the episode that we very much did about this, they've cheated by poisoning our food fucking supply and making food too good. They've cheated the other way. I'm serious. They They fucking inject all the fucking everything into our food. It's made impossibly. You can't resist it.

0:32:16 Eli: I don' t think we did this.

0:32:30 Thomas: It's too, chips shouldn't exist. You know, like the fucking level of Doritos. There aren't Doritos in nature. That shouldn't happen. We have a whole bunch of stuff that just our bodies and minds are not equipped to resist is my theory. And so this is just fucking using some of that. But for our side, God damn it. It's been a one -sided war. We've been Gaza. And Now, Jesus

0:32:53 Eli: Wait, no, that doesn't make any sense to me, Thomas I understand why do we deserve to be fat that's crazy That's silly, that's weird but

0:32:59 Thomas: Christ, wait did we do a break oh

0:33:03 Eli: Gentlemen, do you know the worst thing about being fat it's the auto ads they can't get into your body on time and then you gotta fucking go to patreon.com

0:33:03 Thomas: We're like done with the episode oh shit we didn't do you forget ad breaks yeah we're like 35 minutes in how are we gonna did we actually forget oh wow okay

0:33:15 Tom: I know, this is the show. We had a whole topic. Yeah, this was the banter.

0:33:17 Eli: Forward slash dear old dads you get a commercial free version you get the everything and then then you also get bonus episodes monthly-ish in a month, a couple of fortnights together when combined to get an ad break. Hey, nothing on this show is my responsibility.

0:33:27 Thomas: Shut up oh we also get our first ad break that's your responsibility that we Tom did the intro.

0:33:40 Eli: That was the rule. We said.

0:33:40 Thomas: Tom did his intro. I eventually published this, assuming people are hearing it. Did you do your ad break? No. So don't talk shit.

0:33:46 Eli: I bring the raw sex appeal and the desire to do episodes about people's weird fuck stuff that Tom is afraid of.

0:33:50 Tom: I am bored by...

0:33:57 Thomas: You do do that. Hey, I'm not bashing that. That is good that you bring that.

0:34:01 Eli: Yeah. Also, I want to air our dirty laundry. We have a weird fuck stuff question from a listener that's super good and tom won't let us do it

0:34:06 Thomas: I think it's fake. I think it's fake. Fake.

0:34:07 Tom: I just think it's so boring. I'm sorry.

0:34:07 Eli: Because he's a coward because you know it's not it's the best it's the best I think helping our families be better men is boring tom because I can't do that toxic masculinity no I want people's weird fuck stuff fuck stuff o 'clock I'll

0:34:17 Thomas: Helping our families be better men. Oh, so good.

0:34:30 Eli: Say this let me say something way too many of you You send it in and ask it for real advice. Not enough people ask it for fuck stuff.

0:34:36 Thomas: Yeah. This is a fake advice. This one that you're talking about.

0:34:38 Tom: Yeah, there's no way it's real.

0:34:39 Eli: So gentlemen, we're only 30 minutes in. Do we tag team this with our hearing aid question?

0:34:44 Thomas: Yeah, that could be good. Yeah yeah that's good yeah

0:34:44 Tom: Let's do the hearing aid question. Yeah. Yeah, let's do the hearing aid question.

0:34:45 Eli: Because we're talking medicine. We're talking medical. We could do a little hearing aid question. Alright. I love the idea that this person is going to go to their spouse and be like, hey, they answered my question and they're going to listen to 35 minutes of me being like I put a shot in my tum-tum so I don't eat as many cookies.

0:35:01 Eli: And Tom being like antibiotics will make your legs explode or whatever the fuck he thinks will happen. Stupid Tom making up stuff I don't

0:35:05 Tom: I know I'm just saying you gotta be careful. You gotta be care. Be careful. Nope.

0:35:12 Tom: It's not as uncommon as you would think, unfortunately. It does, though. It's frightening.

0:35:14 Eli: Believe it ever happens I think you made it up entirely

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0:35:25 Tom: This question comes from somebody, we don't know who. Says, I know you're the Dear Old Dads, not the Dear Old Husbands. Oh, we are that, too. But I believe this question can be generically applied. I also confess I'm curious on Eli's take since he can sell ice to a penguin. My wife's hearing has gotten really bad this past six months and she refuses to get hearing aids. Discussing it just makes her mad at this point. For a bit of background, my wife's hearing has gotten bad enough that it's affecting our day-to-day lives and our relationship. She missed important details altogether or partially, as in she knows to meet an ex but not when to meet. She's decided to be like my my late father and just pretend to hear and not make me repeat myself.

0:36:03 Tom: So I think she's heard me when she hasn't. In the past few days, my compromise of, did you get that, makes her snappy.

0:36:09 Eli: Oh brother, I fucking feel you from the bottom of my heart hey

0:36:12 Tom: That is not a compromise. She has recently shut down any discussion on getting a hearing aid. Even me sending a link on affordable hearing aids got her angry. Other than this golden calf slash cow, she has historically been good at compromises. She takes care of herself and is willing to do things for her health. She also has been good At doing things for the relationship.

0:36:31 Tom: This is the first time in her 10 plus years where she just noped on an important thing thanks in advance

0:36:37 Thomas: Oh boy I have an analogy of this that happens not exactly this but we eventually I think you did a show on this I eventually hired a housekeeper like after 40 years of me doing way, way too much cleaning, eventually hired a housekeeper, which is great. It's been certainly life -changing. My kids are never going to learn to clean anything themselves, but it's, I've given up. I don't care. They can't, they can't fucking do it. They're too, they just can't do it."

0:36:59 Eli: We should get nine million one star reviews about you not wanting your kids to clean or

0:37:04 Thomas: I'll try. Hey, why, hey, tell you what, reviewer, why don't you come try to get them to clean something? I have tried. I'm working on it. They're still young, but anyway, my housekeeper is not a native English speaker. And one equivalent I have of this is realizing that she won't tell me when she doesn't understand me, which is pretty much identical to this experience, which you guys know me, like my whole reason I'm a podcaster is pretty much exclusively because of this one annoying quality I have, which is if I don't understand something, I can't move on. I have to keep going forever until I understand it. So this is the hardest thing for me to deal with. Like, I don'T understand, like there's a person who just misunderstands me badly, like badly. And I'll be like, where where did you get that? Like what? I don't. It's a weird thing where I think to her, I'm like a totally different person or something or whatever. And I'm Like, where is the you know, there's that old philosophy thing with the languages where it's like, what is that? Where it's Like, yeah, it's possible you could just never translate two languages because maybe there's some like hypothetical thing like that. It's like that like if you have somebody where you just don't speak the same language and you never correct it or you never like make sure you're on the same page I just don'T know what's happening sometimes so I I don't have a solution other than I feel this person's pain in that if I don'T understand something I'm gonna make fucking clear that I DON'T understand it and be like hey can you explain that please because I DONT understand that and nobody else fucking does that. Drives me insane.

0:37:08 Eli: Something this

0:38:32 Tom: I can kind of relate here to some degree I think I maybe know what might be potentially going on I mean there's a lot of inference going on but like I do think that when our senses start to become diminished it feels a lot like getting old which feels bad

0:38:48 Thomas: Oh, cause it is. Yeah.

0:38:49 Eli: Is what I was gonna say yeah you

0:38:49 Tom: It feels bad. It feels bad. And it's embarrassing to admit that you can't do what everybody else can do because you're getting old. And like my vision is not so good. My vision used to be great. When I was like a teenager, I didn't wear glasses. I when I was a 20 something, I wore glasses. I got a whole literature degree read a million books didn't wear glasses now I can't fucking see anything yeah one time now I

0:39:10 Eli: Get shot in the eye one time oh

0:39:15 Tom: Need glasses to do anything and if I don't have my glasses on or even if I do and sometimes I still can't see something or see something very well it is fucking embarrassing and it feels like being old and like being the guy who has to fucking reach for his glasses on the nightstand in order to look at the video you want to show me on your phone feels so fucking ancient it's like it's not cash money

0:39:38 Eli: My dad was the same way and I don'T know if you've found this experience But for some reason, if you haven't been wearing glasses your entire life, the only glasses they make available to you are the glasses a cartoon owl would wear in a show for kids. My dad's, yes, my dad's glasses were the silliest possible things on like a rose gold chain that said like, bitches love to swim. And so he hated wearing them.

0:39:54 Thomas: Harry Carey's glasses. Yeah. They have to like, they have to, like, haze you for needing them the first time, I guess. Yeah. Hey, new guy here. New guy. Yeah! Give him the new guy glasses. Is yeah

0:40:09 Eli: Yes, exactly. Yeah, there's just the proper punishment for needing the glasses. This is exactly what I was going to say, is I think it's about admitting to herself that, first of all, admitting to yourself that you're old is one thing. Admitting to yourselfthat you are becoming disabled by age is vastly another. You know, they always say disability is the minority group that everyone ends up being a part of. But until you actually end up being a part of it, it is very scary. The other thing I will say is, hearing aids hurt. They are significantly too loud some of the time and they are significantly too quiet some of the time because that is not how our ears naturally work. So I actually have a tip for this listener, which I used on certain members of my family. That's exactly right. Thomas Smith, the fucking AirPods to the newest AirPods are officially registered. They're allowed to be hearing aids, whatever the fuck that means. They got the,

0:40:49 Thomas: AirPods nice yeah they're actually good yeah wait did RFK say that or is that this actual good man yeah yeah that's

0:41:09 Eli: No, they got the stamp of whatever the fucking, I mean, I don't know. Google it. And you'll fucking find out, but they got the stamp or whatever the fuck to be, hearing aids, get her the AirPods, say, hey, they got a pass-through mode, and the pass-through mode literally adjusts the volume of everything around you so that you can fucking hear it. It's the best. It shouldn't have to feel like she's wearing hearing aids. But you do have to have the conversation first. You can't sneak it. Your impulse when I was saying that just now was to be like, hey, babe, I got you these AirPods Pro. Through and she's going to be like, oh, I don't really listen to music around the house. And you're like, put them on anyways.

0:41:25 Thomas: Good

0:41:45 Tom: Put them on all the time

0:41:46 Thomas: Yeah you have to keep them in there to get them set.

0:41:49 Eli: You got to have a bit of a conversation and you got to equate it to things that she cares about. So here's another mistake. You talk a lot about like what a good relationship it is. She's willing to make compromises right around. The problem is right now, this is framed as you can't hear me. Whose stakes is that? Hers, right? So if If she doesn't hear you, she just doesn't hear you. She is willing to sacrifice hearing you for having to admit that she may be encountering disability for the first time in her life.

0:42:18 Thomas: This is smart.

0:42:18 Eli: So instead of making it about hearing, make it about something that she cares about. Does she care about being there for your kids? Does she care about being on time to stuff? Does she care about showing up for the people in her light? Everyone's got different things, but you direct the consequences of that. You talk about the consequences around that in terms that she cares about right so like I'll give you an example for me that's too expensive never works on me if I'm in my house and you want me to stop doing a thing the answer is never that's Too Pricey I'm like oh fuck I'll get another job that's okay no no no you have that I'll go get a fifth job that all you got to do that no point in living if I can't afford everything at all times forever right I've got deep-seated money issues because of what happened with my dad and him losing his job? And so that's too expensive is not a good way. As opposed to Max won't like having that in the house. I don't like Having That in the House. I actually really prefer this version. Anna has learned to work around that with me because she knows that way of working in my head. Similarly, I do not take antidepressants every single day so that I can show up for me or so that I can feel good for me. It's why it was really hard to get me to take good care of my mental health when I was young and single because I was like you know my doctors very early were like hey man do you smoke weed every fucking day and I waslike at least once a day and they were like youknow your depression medication will work a lot better if you aren't taking hear me out a depressant

0:43:54 Eli: All day and I waslame Tommy Chong baby but then I started hanging out with anna and now anna and Max are in my life, right? The reason I do that, the reason I'm doing that is about, is so that I can hang out with my family a bunch because I want to be there for my family. I want a show up for my life. I want my family, I want them to be able to support them and help them in the ways that they need. That's the way to approach this, is what matters to her, right, not what matters for you, what matters is what you do. What matters to you, what matters, and by doing, which could be you,

0:43:58 Thomas: Says you, which could be you. That could also, that would work for Eli, like you're saying.

0:44:29 Eli: Yeah, no, if Anna was like, hey, I need you to do, if Anna came in right now and was like put on hearing aids, I'd be like, you got it. There you are. Ow.

0:44:36 Tom: A couple

0:44:37 Thomas: But I can hear it. Put them on!

0:44:37 Eli: Little loud. Yep. You got it. Whatever you want. Right. I'll do that. If that, if that was your dynamic, then by all means do that, but right now you're putting it about her own needs and she's not willing to accept that.

0:44:49 Thomas: That's really good. That's all good.

0:44:51 Tom: Of like real quick things just in case you're wondering it's It's the AirPods Pro 3 that have this. And they actually, I actually have them. I just got them. And they also, they have a certified, like, actual hearing test that is part of them. So if you get them, she can quietly and on her own, without having to go to an audiologist, take the fucking hearing test. And maybe she'd be willing to do that.

0:45:13 Eli: Listen to our podcasts.

0:45:18 Thomas: Normally people have to go to the audiologist. It's why it's taken a while for our numbers to grow because it's exclusively in

0:45:19 Eli: Kiss you the audiologist introduces our stuff

0:45:24 Tom: Because audiologists, yeah, it's crazy.

0:45:24 Thomas: Audiologists. It's a weird, I've said a business idea I had. It wasn't one of my better ones. I don't know. Sorry.

0:45:32 Tom: So she can do that in the privacy of her own home she doesn't have to tell you that she's doing it and she can get like real -time feedback on what her hearing needs are with the airpods pro 3 so it's just that I think that's actually really a cool feature I know I just I think it's a really fucking cool feature it's

0:45:45 Thomas: We're not sponsored by AirPods Pro 3. I wish we were, by the way. We should be.

0:45:48 Eli: Oh but let me say we are open to

0:45:52 Thomas: Yeah, please. Mr. Apple, Tim Apple.

0:45:52 Tom: Awesome

0:45:52 Eli: It fucking apple if you want to get in here oh tim tim buddy call me

0:45:57 Thomas: Mr. Pod. Yeah.

0:45:56 Tom: Yeah tim apple yeah another thing to consider to understand your wife better is like, remember that like we don't age internally at the same rate we age externally. Like I don't feel 47 years old. I don't feel like I'm getting older inside. I've talked to my dad about this. Who's 70, 78 years old? He's like, I feel 25 inside. Like we kind of reach a certain point in our, in our internal self that doesn't age at the same rate that our external self starts to age and starts to have problems. So there's like a tension there that I think we all have to understand and come to grips with. And it doesn't like feel good that we are feeling this way. Like we feel like a young person inside, but like we can't see anything or our hearing is going or, you know, fucking neck explodes because we slept funny or whatever. That's a weird fact of life that is like, yeah, I can hear just fine, actually. But yeah, that's it. Huh? What? Huh? Huh. What? I just I'm sympathetic to that so I think too that if you come to this with an understanding of like how this internally may be interacting with her sense of self then like maybe that'll give you a little bit more I don't know like a little more grace to like why she's being so obstinate oh

0:46:01 Eli: Hit her

0:46:04 Thomas: Stupid. Those were all Tom things. Those are just to be clear. All of it, Tom. Yeah. Oh, my

0:46:51 Eli: Those were all Tom to be fair tom was just describing his year I don't hey tom can I make can I tell you something from my heart I don't believe you all Right, gentlemen, before we go where do you put bad chinese dumplings wantonimo bay

0:47:17 Clip: DEAR OLD DAD

0:47:34 Thomas: God. Yeah. These are not what happened. These are you doing? Yeah.

0:47:34 Tom: My god that's it I'm off the show I liked the last one the last one was good the sock one no the sock on was

0:47:42 Thomas: But I'll be honest. I was worried because that was not the normal like he's gone for the bonus jokes that were the really dirty ones or whatever. No. Okay. All right.

0:47:48 Eli: Those aren't the bonus ones. I got bonus ones still in the fucking chamber I got I'll tell you I got the bonus one I've been saving up is great for today's episode let's give them a bonus one just with It the other day my wife told me that I wasn't listening to a single word she said. I thought that was a weird way to start a conversation.

0:47:56 Thomas: Can't wait. Oh. Oh okay.

0:48:07 Tom: Great okay it's actually really good it's really good I like

0:48:08 Thomas: That's a really good one. I like that. That's, yeah. Okay. Good stuff.

0:49:00 Tom: The serving size of anything is all of it

0:49:04 Eli: Nothing on this show is my responsibility. I put a shot in my tum-tum so I don't eat as many cookies.

0:49:12 Thomas: Because like I said in the episode that we very much did about this.

0:49:16 Eli: Not today, Jesus.