DOD135: Some Softball Hardball

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0:00:02 Clip: I'm the cool dad. That's my thing. I know now what I can offer you that no one else can. Complete and utter dependence. I'm a man. I'm sensitive. I need to feel loved. I need to be desired.

0:00:22 Clip: Telling is the only part of being a father that I enjoy.

0:00:28 Tom: Welcome to Dear Old Dads, the podcast that's throwing softballs. I'm Tom Curry. I am joined as always by Thomas Smith and Eli Bosnick. Hello, gentlemen.

0:00:37 Thomas: That intro was a stop. Nice. I like it. That's met on so many levels.

0:00:40 Tom: Hey

0:00:40 Eli: How dare you, our takes are such hardball takes, Tom. Between you not being able to see your exes, and my...

0:00:48 Tom: Not my fault they become transparent after I break up with them that's their they should think about that different

0:00:50 Eli: That's true, they do... it's like a weird Invisible Man sequel made of your mental illness. But

0:00:59 Thomas: Speaking of mental illness, I'm trying so hard to have my first vacation, fellas. I I should share this with the audience and with you so that you can all ridicule me when I fail. Accountability, right? You tell someone something and then they just, yeah.

0:01:09 Eli: And then you don't do it and then

0:01:17 Thomas: And then they make fun of you or something. Is that?

0:01:19 Eli: They try and then your like no actually what happened Arlo has AIDS Arlo HAS HIV he has AIDS

0:01:25 Thomas: There'll be a good reason. Oh, that's it. That's accountability. I'm trying so hard to like record stuff before we go so we can do this trip out to see you all. And yeah, yeah. And so and it's not going to work, but I'm trying I just want everyone to know I'm doing my best and even if it means I only work like half the entire time that'll be an improvement from last year I

0:01:34 Eli: The matrion pajama party you're doing your best yeah well it's a huge improvement from last year year basically

0:01:51 Thomas: Didn't even I didn't even get to do anything yep yep stupid it

0:01:52 Eli: Thomas had two activities like there were two activities thomas was like I'm gonna go to this dinner and I'm gonna catch the plane home yeah

0:02:00 Thomas: Sucked yeah it was uh you know it was a rough year I don't remember why but it was just a weird rough year all around

0:02:04 Tom: I don't know what you had going on

0:02:05 Eli: I don't know what we can actually say that now someone stole your company it's

0:02:09 Thomas: And I had to I had a work night and and day to be able to afford the absolute fucking crime that is attorney's peace and everyone's all like hey whoa you don't have to work that hard that was the best thing I don't blame anyone I'm not mad but everybody'd be like whoa hey just don't don't do that much work I was like yeah yeah sure yeah I'll just uh just do that

0:02:28 Eli: I love that because we and not to not reject the sympathy of listeners because it's actually really lovely but like when when When we will obliquely reference working hard, I will often get an email or a message from someone being like, hey, I just want you to know that if there was one game a month, I would be totally fine with that. And we love your stuff and I want you be well. And I'm like, that is so amazingly sweet of you. My child eats all the weeks, unfortunately.

0:02:46 Thomas: I know yeah Yeah.

0:02:53 Eli: He eats every, he never skips a week of the eating. I would love him to stop. I told him, I told them fasting's good for you. But you know, he doesn't listen. He's four.

0:02:53 Tom: Know right that's

0:03:02 Thomas: I think it's so good

0:03:03 Eli: What

0:03:04 Thomas: Too, because, again, and I, your sentiment of it. I'm sure it all comes from a good place, but it's also funny because I think what people hear is they're like to them, look, people people, love our stuff, I'm Sure. But to them they're like, oh, this is just a fucking podcast though. Like you don't have to, you don' have to kill yourself over a podcast.

0:03:17 Eli: Do you do you get on you joke around with your buddy right you chitter chatter you pitter patter

0:03:24 Thomas: And from their perspective they're like you could do one a year and yeah whatever like it's it's just a podcast

0:03:28 Eli: We get that from sympathetic listeners and heathen right my co -host those are the two

0:03:36 Tom: It this this I have to say though this feels a lot like when you eli are like you should reorganize your life to sleep more this feels very similar like okay yeah sure let me just reorganize let

0:03:44 Thomas: Well okay okay all right

0:03:46 Eli: Will say if this podcast required electric shocks I would not do it fun fact love hanging out with my bros but if they were like ah now you got to use the tase mic 3000 I'd be like oh Eamon

0:03:50 Thomas: I was gonna say

0:03:53 Tom: Let me that's pick a kid to disappoint that's that's the way I'll do it I'll draw straws and we'll be like all right you don't get taken care of this month I

0:04:02 Eli: There you go you have at least two kids I know in your heart of hearts you feel completely comfortable disappointing Tom I don't but you know the only thing worse than what it's like to be Eammon in Tom's eyes why it's the auto ants the auto Addo adds the forgotten fourth child with two stepkids in front of you. That's right. But you, you can remove the Addo ads from your life, much like Tom has disinherited Eamon from his will and his heart.

0:04:09 Tom: Do not oh I have done no such thing I have done no such thing we

0:04:33 Eli: Tom's words, not my own.

0:04:33 Tom: Literally that what is happening right now if you ever listen to this I have not disinherited you amen

0:04:38 Eli: Too He told us secretly, EamON. He told Us. Anyways, patreon .com dear old dad's extended versions of every single episode when Tom decides to show up, along with bonus episodes on a monthly basis. Thomas trying to take a vacation this month. We're doing two today as Thomas boards a plane or whatever the case may be, so you're still going to get that bonus. All of it over at patreon.com/dearolddads.

0:04:43 Tom: It did no that is he's starting shit I

0:05:07 Thomas: Okay so here's the thing the dudes we got done with the last sports episode And the dudes were like, hey, we can't get enough of those sports you keep talking. What are those sports? You keep talking about. We want to hear more. And so I was like, I guess. All right, fine. No, I just wanted to do a little sports update. And it's not a full sports episode, but it's a it's a topic that I know I think there's so much to talk about in all areas of, you know, our kids lives, not just sports, but sports is kind of the example that I have today. So first off, little update. Here is the strangest thing. Do you remember when in a fugue state, me or someone else signed us up for baseball and I did baseball with

0:05:46 Eli: Most

0:05:46 Thomas: The kids? Weirdest thing.

0:05:46 Eli: Insane decision I've

0:05:48 Tom: No idea why he did that

0:05:49 Eli: Ever seen a person make.

0:05:50 Thomas: Hey, Eli, I agree. I don't remember what happened. I don' t remember.

0:05:54 Eli: Because I remember us talking about it And you being like, no, he signed the kids up for baseball. And I was like, Thomas, the other day you said, I forgot to drink water this week. And you were like, No, no. It's fine. They go. It's actually really nice. And I Was like, Cool. Five, four, three. And you Were like, The baseball has destroyed the vehicle.

0:06:13 Thomas: You counted down like a hypnotist or whatever and then you're like, and wake up. What?

0:06:18 Eli: Yeah.

0:06:18 Thomas: Baseball? Fucking Jesus Christ.

0:06:18 Tom: But the kids had like a natural predisposition toward baseball that you simply had to respond to though right I mean they were like they were begging you there their arms around your legs you were dragging them around and they were beggin you papa papa please sign us up for the baseball papa you had no choice I I get it you

0:06:38 Eli: Your children Are running into the school building. Like Indiana Jones trying not to get crushed by a lowering stone door and you were like you know what these kids need extracurricular activities

0:06:49 Tom: Know the smith family needs another scheduled activity we're really good at timelines and schedules the

0:06:50 Thomas: Well, Yeah. Here's the fun. Here's a funny thing, which is that it turned out to be so fucking great. It and even like partway through the season, I was like, oh, word. Fuck. This sucks. And then by the time it ended, both Lydia and I were like, well, Lydia came to me. She's like, I love this so much. Like, she's like, I loved baseball. I loved being out. She's not a sports person. She didn't even understand how a pickle worked. Remember? Famously. And she was like, this was the best.

0:07:21 Tom: Pickle that's that's the cucumber right in this in the brine delicious

0:07:23 Eli: That's a cucumber you put it in the salt water and then it tastes different yeah crying

0:07:25 Tom: Delicious little

0:07:24 Thomas: It's that part of it. It's just that part OF the game where they do that.

0:07:27 Tom: Dill in there yeah outstanding outstanding

0:07:30 Thomas: Oh, my God. It was so fun. The kids fucking loved it eventually. Like, yeah. And Phoebe is, you know, she doesn't like anything for the first few times, of course. But like the kids loved it. They grew as uh people phoebe started with hitting uh the ball and then crying and then going from that to she yeah crying the whole time no no she okay phoe be literally uh the best hitter in the entire fucking world at the end she hit every time she She went, the last, like,

0:07:50 Eli: And then hitting the ball yeah I really

0:07:52 Tom: She's rushing the mound like

0:08:05 Eli: Appreciate that

0:08:05 Thomas: Three games.

0:08:05 Eli: Ending in world Thomas because I was steeling myself when a parent is like Like, my five -year -old is great at sports, and you gotta be like, I bet, real propensity for it. Counting down the moments till this sentence. But world I can deal with, I'm like, fuck yeah, the original Babe Ruth. Phoebe Smith, everybody. Get her out there.

0:08:22 Thomas: But no, compared, she got a hit. She's like Ichiro. Oh, darn it. Sorry. Do you know who Ichiro is?

0:08:28 Tom: Ichiro I don't know I was thinking ichiro myself

0:08:30 Eli: Which one is she in Bible Black? We have different anime rooms.

0:08:33 Thomas: So, like Ichirou is one of the best hitters of all time, but he a power hitter. He was, you know, a smaller gentleman who was incredibly fast and got like mainly little base hits by, you Know, hitting the ball to a little gap and beating them out to first. Now, Phoebe still can't hurry. My kids, if,

0:08:34 Tom: How many points do you get for first base not

0:08:53 Eli: Yeah. Well, one, obviously. Two for toothpaste, and third for three -base.

0:08:56 Tom: That was a silly question that's one it's one

0:08:56 Thomas: Is it over bra or under bra?

0:08:58 Eli: Yeah.

0:08:58 Thomas: Well, anyway, um, Phoebe still can'T hurry. My kids still don'T understand what actually hurrying is. I don'T know why that'S a weird thing. That'S just me. But she would hit the ball every time she would

0:09:07 Eli: Maybe Maybe if they closed the door to the base in her face, she'd remember. Remember vagina

0:09:11 Thomas: I don't still think she doesn't get it but she got a hit I would say the last like three games every single at bat and then like like it was crazy she was hitting it every time Arlo struggling a little but still having fun and they grew they they all these different things they would never do and we had such a good time and now we miss it and then okay so I was thinking here's here's what I want to talk about today so So I was thinking, all right, the kids want to do more baseball. It's crazy. And I want them. I'm in. I want the kids to do it. I want to get them to do some more baseball, it's so fun. They have all the stuff, and they like hitting the ball at least, until they get bored of that, like, yeah, let's do it, and wait a minute, Phoebe hits age eventually where they decide, hey, sorry, girl, you don't get to do the actual sport anymore, sorry. All right yeah we and I completely forgot about this and will be a certain age I don' t know what it is it' s probably in a couple years where just decide like well girls have like a weird giant ass watermelon ball they use and the worst thing is the pitching the worst things is the pitch and this sucks because this is going to come across like I'm just hating women's sports it's definitely not that I just don't understand why like now that it's been made into the sport that it is I don't want to be bashing softball you as women play it now and whatever but the idea just from scratch from nothing like oh hey girls have to do a different version of this and they throw underhand and they spin their arm around in a whole circle and that's how they pit do you guys even know

0:09:54 Eli: Ball yeah no

0:10:38 Tom: I've seen it yeah him

0:10:38 Eli: So there's actually a real reason for this and uh it's interesting because um overhand pitch it strengthens different muscles uh the underhand pitch uh your fingering another woman muscles which is really what softball is there to teach you is that you are a woman who loves other women and there's sort of like a matchmaking element in the teams and then the pitching sort of improves your sexual prowess if you will and stardom

0:11:03 Thomas: I don'T think eli's seen the pitching I think it's a good joke but I don' t think he's seen the pitching doing

0:11:05 Tom: I'm not sure he's really responding

0:11:07 Eli: Do you guys not finger like that do you guess not run your hand in a whole circle and run across the room as fast as you can try and line

0:11:11 Thomas: A full your arm slap

0:11:13 Tom: That that like the triple arm wind up is a little bit of a it's a little much it's a little intimidating yeah thomas

0:11:15 Thomas: Them as hard as you can yeah

0:11:18 Eli: It's like a quick time event is that not how you guys are doing it I love softball also

0:11:21 Thomas: Man interesting

0:11:22 Tom: I will say though that I looked this up out of curiosity the other day though softball pitching just I obviously we got to talk about the sexism in sports but I will Say softball Pitching is nowhere near as damaging on the arm as the overhand baseball pitching so it is safer it is significantly safer

0:11:37 Eli: Have you ever been to a softball game they rule

0:11:40 Thomas: I lived at them as kids

0:11:41 Eli: Softball games are so much better than baseball games a

0:11:44 Thomas: What kind of softball games you're not talking adult softball high school hmm

0:11:46 Eli: High school no high school yeah any kind of softball even a professional softball game which yes I have been to professional ones any female dominated sport the vibes are so fucking better nope

0:11:58 Thomas: For sure but that would be true if if they were playing real baseball like that's my argument like why are we okay and if it's true that there's some fucking reason for this that makes sense other than ladies need to sport different than fine but like it's weird that I have to tell my kids because right now my kids get to play the same game which is not baseball admittedly but it's it's something like pretending to play baseball no

0:12:20 Eli: It's not like she's missing out on her chance at the fucking major your stomach just

0:12:24 Thomas: It's just weird that that in in like a year it'll be like like, yeah, no, sorry, Phoebe

0:12:26 Eli: After she broke 100 miles per hour damn it different

0:12:30 Thomas: Has to do a different thing, like, she has to do a whole different, bats, different different gloves, different ball, different everything, it's just weird, yeah.

0:12:37 Eli: Sexuality it's the best why are you not seeing the upsides of this it's The Best hey uh Arlo if you want to keep doing this at a certain point uh a psychopath whose entire life is this who calls himself a gym teacher will scream at you about it every day for the rest of your life Phoebe if you want to make some lifelong friends and go to college for free you can do this one over here but um you gotta pitch underhanded so I don't know weigh those weigh those scales hockey too I mean I don'T know anything about women's hockey do

0:13:00 Tom: It's not wrong well

0:13:00 Thomas: I know, I want her to play hockey, though, and, and you know the thing about hockey, they don't use a giant puck, and then have, like a different way of hitting it, and they just use the same hockey shit, They just get to play hockey with the hockey shit that we, that hockey players use. I don't get why this one sport would be different.

0:13:09 Eli: They have to hockey underhanded 30

0:13:20 Tom: There's another sport too though but uh I did look this up buddy I was trying to figure this out when you when you brought it up on the on thread that we use to kind of talk about show topics I was like why is that I don't know is there like a a reason for this and it seems like the reason may be historical um it actually goes back if my cursory 15 minutes worth of reading is right it sounds like

0:13:40 Eli: More minutes than I did tom then

0:13:43 Tom: It's it soundslike essentially during world war ii they didn't have enough men to field baseball teams league of their own right league of her own yep they did and and essentially like men came back and they were like well we can't have women playing quality baseball yeah so they're like we can have women play quality baseball that we actually have like people will want to watch so we'll actually change the sport to this lesser different thing and they created softball for women to play so they would not be able to compete in the in the majors

0:13:48 Thomas: League of their own. Yeah. We've all seen league of their on. Yeah. And women played fucking real baseball. Yeah. No, the fuck you aren't. I knew it.

0:14:13 Eli: Along came a pitcher named Caitlin Clark who changed the whole thing for everybody that's a sports joke

0:14:22 Tom: But I was thinking about this too because I was like what there's some sports that women are just essentially locked out of and that there is no like female equivalent like there's no female football team right there's No, there are.

0:14:24 Thomas: It is. It's a good sports show. Yeah. Football. Yeah. Yeah,

0:14:33 Tom: I don't know that women are allowed to compete or compete in wrestling. I don't think there's like women's wrestling, but that's weird though, right? Like why wouldn't they compete in their own like because they we sex segregate other sports. It's weird not to sex segregating wrestling and have women's wrestling.

0:14:28 Eli: Female swimming sign

0:14:38 Thomas: They compete. So in high school, they'll wrestle with the boys. Actually, I wrestled a girl in a tournament. It was the weirdest thing ever. Oh, it was weird. Yeah. But it's it is those ones where there's not enough interest or whatever. Like, I don't I guess I don' t want to phrase it that way, but like there's not enough other girls participating. Same Same with football. So football.

0:15:03 Eli: Up you just just automatically take states.

0:15:03 Tom: Well, definitely not going to be like enough girls participating in something if we don't have an avenue for them to participate other than for them to like wrestle grown boys right like that's like

0:15:15 Thomas: But you need a team. And it's I mean, a lot of schools will struggle to have a boys team and you can't have a team of like two girls that's not a wrestling team

0:15:23 Tom: I know but it's also like a cart and horse it's like the problem is cyclical in a like you can never fix that problem or generate that interest if like you have to wrestle boys because the likelihood of success there is just so low

0:15:26 Thomas: Fair no totally totally yeah yeah and I want to be clear that was when I was in high school I have seen I'll see headlines of like I think there's some amount of girls wrestling maybe uh I don't I don' know this was you know 20 whatever years ago

0:15:46 Eli: I have a bunch of videos of it if you're interested. I don't know what you... You guys are like, it's not enough out there. Trust me. I have whole subscriptions in my life.

0:15:49 Tom: I think that's a little different

0:15:49 Thomas: I'd be I'd interested oh okay get some you got some game film huh get some yeah do you want to draw the x's his nose and only

0:15:56 Eli: Yeah, I got a lot. Now, it is different, much like softball and baseball. So I guess in regular wrestling, and you did this in high school, Thomas, you don't do it in a kiddie pool full of lube, right? When

0:16:07 Thomas: Some some events only some events yeah

0:16:12 Eli: Okay! Okay, so it's less different than I thought it was. Okay, that makes sense.

0:16:14 Tom: I mean Eli what do you think the singlet is for I mean it's yeah

0:16:17 Eli: Certainly what my singlet was for.

0:16:20 Tom: And then I was thinking also about gymnastics the events in gymnastics are sex segregated so the men don't do the same thing as the women the women don't doing the same thing as the men in gymnastics so there are some lanes of division

0:16:28 Thomas: What

0:16:30 Eli: And that one lady doesn't do the same flips as everybody else in the world. What's her name? She's the best gymnast in the World. Biles.

0:16:35 Tom: What's that Simone Biles well

0:16:39 Eli: And they made a bunch of the shit she can do illegal. They were like, hey, Simone, nobody else can do that.

0:16:38 Thomas: Simone Biles she just won something today but

0:16:45 Eli: You have to stop. Four flips only.

0:16:48 Tom: Good, and it's unfair to the people that aren't as good.

0:16:51 Thomas: They do still have the different events so like the men prioritize you stuff that seems more fucking manly and then the women have more of the dancey stuff I'm not an expert but

0:17:00 Eli: Which is so fucking

0:16:53 Tom: They do, yeah. Well, men do a lot of the upper body strength stuff, like rings, pommel horse. There's some shared events, but are shared events.

0:17:01 Eli: Funny. Yeah. Gymkata.

0:17:03 Thomas: Which is like whatever yeah I don't know I yes

0:17:09 Tom: But there are different events as well. And so, like, men don't do balance beam, for example. Women do balance team. Men don't two balance beam. Yeah. So there's some stuff that only women do. There's something stuff only men do.

0:17:09 Eli: Your dick dick throws it

0:17:18 Tom: So there are some other lanes, I guess, sex segregated lanes.

0:17:18 Eli: Off it's impossible yeah obviously

0:17:21 Thomas: Wow they do vault with the dick but yeah. Yeah it's just weird look I don'T know I'm NOT here I'm I'm Not coming out strong with some thesis about softball all I want to tell you is my experience as a regular dad who's likes sports is my kids were having fun they play on the same team and now granted that would end anyway because their ages are different but when they're super small no one cares and then um know in like a year or two it's then I was deciding like well should I try to get her started on softball now like to get because every the skills she's learning for baseball I won't say all of them but like a lot of the things she's learned about baseball they're quite different with softball like she's gonna have to throw a bit differently it's a you know it's just like not a huge deal but like do I try to get started with that big ass weird ball they use and it just was a weird feeling of like why Why does this have to be? Why can't they just play baseball? Why can'T we have baseball for women? I don't know.

0:18:11 Tom: What I think the larger issue, like I'm not trying to distract either if I'm just pointing out that I was thinking about this and I noticed some things, but like I think think the larger issue is that we do socially and familially we do tend to like decide for boys and for girls what lanes are sort of gender appropriate for them to pursue and then like have entire systems that just also are just like yeah you just you're not really going to be able to do that if you're this this sex or that sex right like this is this is going to be not in your ballpark you literally not in your ball park

0:18:44 Eli: And it's also because those things are already so hard and so cumbersome to be a part of that even if you do want to make a stand and I know this because in my high school there was a girl wrestler and it was just like a huge fucking deal for her family to make this happen right systems not only sort of make you go with the flow because it's easier to sign up that way which is a huge part of parenting but like the fact that you have to take this already incredibly cumbersome activity and be like hey I would like to do a bunch of meetings and hard things to do us slightly different right it's not like you just check baseball or softball on a form right have to make a fuss right yeah exactly yeah so that's part of what leads into it

0:19:20 Thomas: There needs to be the infrastructure and stuff. Yeah. No, totally, and that's why it won't, softball you is a fucking division. Do they have it in the Olympics by now? Like, it's a major established sport for women, and I'm, don'T want to take away from that. It just it sucks that it went that way, probably because after the war, they're like, well, if they throw a normal baseball, it will hurt their vaginas. So we can't do that.

0:19:43 Thomas: And like, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some bullshit like that.

0:19:44 Tom: And it's so funny because it's actually hurts men's egos right it's like it's like we're just like it'll hurt their vaginas and we're like and by their vaginas what we really mean is our egos

0:19:48 Thomas: That's right. Yeah, that makes sense.

0:19:47 Eli: It's yeah Yeah. Our feelings. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's not a denigration of softball at all. Like, again, softball is in a million ways superior to baseball, right? Like I would if Max were interested in sports, I would say no. But assuming in a universe where I wouldn't say no, which is hard for me to fathom because you have to get into one of those weird universes where the sky is red. Right.

0:20:11 Thomas: Triangles are circles. Yeah, exactly.

0:20:13 Eli: Exactly. But assuming we're in a university where we don't say, no. Right. I would prefer him to be in a softball environment because they are like every woman. Woman dominated sport environment is so much more healthy, so much more, you positive does all the things that sports says it does, but actually you're in a weird, like white supremacy cult. Like when you actually talk to people who have played women's sports actively, all of those environments exist because they're dominated by women. So, yeah, I mean, I, will be a better thing, but that moment, right. That you're talking about that moment of discomfort for you. And more importantly, that moment of discomfort for Phoebe, right, where I assume for one of the first times in her life, they'll be like, oh, you do this other thing because you're a girl. Right.

0:20:53 Eli: It's just weird. It'S just a weird moment of othering. And like, you know, it's something that Cornel West talks about this really well. He talks about racial narratives. Right? About like, it doesn't necessarily need to be malicious for there to be the moment where you're othered, right? Like you can just be like, oh, you're supposed to go over there. Or this is the thing that your people usually do be that sex, gender, race, whatever it might be. And it's just that little moment where, again, she's going to be like five, six years old, right. Seven years old. Maybe the first time that someone's going to say like, hey, the life path is different for women and that othering, even when it's towards a positive thing like softball, which is going to ruin when she gets to get her first girlfriend, all that good stuff like that other ring does

0:21:05 Thomas: It is. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

0:21:35 Eli: Make a difference in kids' mindsets, right? Is a normal, which is the white straight male path. And then everyone else gets picked off along the way and told, well, yeah, no, we've got a version of that for you.

0:21:47 Thomas: I'll just keep her in hockey.

0:21:49 Tom: And glad we're doing this episode too because I saw some feedback

0:21:51 Eli: I'm not, Tom. I hate it no actually

0:21:56 Thomas: I do want to know before we move on. Now, there are lots of issues in women's sports. Just FYI, like it's it's also has that also

0:22:01 Eli: They're all perfect I didn't know if you know that wrong

0:22:03 Thomas: Has a lot of issues. But go ahead, Tom. Sorry.

0:22:04 Eli: Thomas

0:22:05 Tom: No I just I wanted to say like I I'm glad we're doing this episode because I did see some feedback a few weeks back on I think patreon that called me out for um about the opportunities that I offer to my kids in ways that were specifically sex segregated and I I thought a lot about that feedback because I was like do I do that because if I dothat I want to fix it I don't know there was no specific referent in there um I really did rack my brain because I'm like, shit, if I'm doing that unconsciously or I don't think it would be consciously if I'M DOING THAT UNCONSCIOUSLY, I REALLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THAT. AND I HONESTLY COULDN'T COME UP WITH ANYTHING THAT THAT ME, KNOWING MY FAMILY AND WHO THEY ARE AS PEOPLE FELT LIKE IT WAS ME SORT OF RAILROADING THEM INTO SEX SEGREGATED STUFF. I HAVE OFFERED, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF IS LIKE I 'VE TALKED ABOUT LIKE TRYING TO GET AISLAND TO DO DANCE, FOR ExAMPLE. Um

0:22:07 Eli: Hates women

0:22:21 Thomas: What? I don't even remember. What would that refer to, Tom? I don'T even remember the

0:22:56 Eli: Right you want to tape two guns to each of her arms at all times but I don't think I don'T think that's an activity you're offering so much as it's um your mental illness

0:23:02 Tom: But I yeah that's that's just the world she's living but like you offered know her dance because her mom dances and she idolizes her mom so it has really nothing to do so much with trying to narrow her into sex segregated lanes um much as it is like she is a mini me of her mom her mom has been a dancer her whole life and And so she idolizes that. We thought that might actually drive interest. It turned out it didn't drive interest

0:23:27 Eli: Now I'm picturing finn who podcast listener so you know how funny this image is looks uh almost almost identical to Tom, both in body and head shape doing like amazing pole dancing moves, right? Just like 360 degree spins back arched tribal tattoos down his front.

0:23:36 Thomas: Bolts,

0:23:42 Tom: That would be fucking amazing.

0:23:44 Thomas: The bolts just buckling, you know, just like, yeah, just just like, yeah, that'd

0:23:46 Tom: Right. The, the, the whole house just shaking as he like spins around it. Yeah. So, but, but I think that he does,

0:23:53 Eli: Wrecking ball playing at top volume.

0:23:58 Thomas: Be awesome. Actually. Unironically, I actually, that would be cool. I would like that.

0:24:01 Tom: I, you but I bet I will say like, Like, you're not all that far off. We worked out together last week. He came over Monday morning. We went down to the basement, worked out. I'm like, all right, man, put some music on. He put some música on. Two or three songs in, I kind of notice, and I look up, and I walk over to his Spotify playlist, and it's a playlist called White Girl Bangers. That's what he decided.

0:24:22 Tom: He also works out to a playlist on Spotify called Divorced Dad Rock, which cracks me up.

0:24:20 Eli: Hell yeah. Hell yeah,

0:24:23 Thomas: That's awesome. No, maybe he was, I thought both those things appealed to you.

0:24:30 Eli: I I think he was just trying to reach across the aisle there. T -Dog you,

0:24:33 Thomas: He was like, ah, what, what is my dad like? Well, divorce, dad, rock and white girl, whatever you just said yeah

0:24:39 Eli: You tell

0:24:38 Tom: He's got all these crazy yeah white girl bangers

0:24:40 Eli: Me your max that you listen to fight song and tell me your your one rep max doesn'T go up 150%. I I can deadlift a house while I am listening to fight song. I can't usually do the bar. If you play a song at loud enough volume, I will deadlift my home.

0:24:46 Thomas: That's objectively good workout music yeah

0:24:58 Tom: I left left in the mornings to audiobooks or news podcasts I

0:25:01 Eli: That's insane. That's the worst. Of

0:25:03 Thomas: Which

0:25:03 Tom: Never live to music I never ever do it I never lived to music but to just like kind of back up what you were saying though eli is that like so much of this that's why I brought up like calling myself out because if I'm doing it unconsciously like then fucking shame on me for doing it um like so much of those sort of like lanes that get established we're entirely unaware of you know what I mean they're just like we sort of like build into what we expect from boys and from girls we build into our own lives the same sort of social expectations it's why like if it's you're on the cheerleading leading team is a guy like you're not gay you're an absolute like tiny minority right there are not just like sex segregation but there's like heteronormative segregations into certain sports that we just sort of implicitly understand and by understanding them build them into our cultural narrative and enforce them

0:25:46 Eli: Course.

0:25:54 Thomas: So funny because that that kind of takes away any argument that's like well biologically you know because like no these are still men they're gay men if they're doing a certain sports like there's nothing biological about like their body that would change what they do Ew.

0:26:03 Eli: I, you guys ever notice yourself doing it? And then because we're not assholes, you have to be like shit I did it I'll give you a great example so yesterday was max's birthday party he's got a little friend his little friend wore a shirt with ruffle sleeves male identifying child wore little ruffle sleeves and my this yeah those little like uh ruffles they had like little ruffles on them right it's just a cute shirt he's a four -year -old child there's nothing there's nothing wrong with it but my head I was like gay that that child is wearing a gay gay shirt and obviously look it's we were growing up where an adult would come over and be like hey kid you know you're wearing a gay shirt right I helped today right and then walk the fuck away but like even finding myself go okay sure and then being like hey man do you want to go to therapy forever right that that's my first

0:26:24 Thomas: Rough sleeve. Sorry. What is that? Ruffles. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Sure. Yeah, yeah. It's ruffles! I know. Yeah yeah.

0:26:57 Eli: Impulse

0:26:58 Thomas: By By the way, if did that, they would have been the hero. The adult in our time would have just called you gay and been like, but if someone Someone was like, hey, just to inform you, you're wearing a gay shirt. We'd be like, you are a hero. Thank you.

0:27:04 Eli: Would have just bullied you Yes, no, I'm adult

0:27:11 Thomas: You're progressive for your time.

0:27:11 Eli: Who just, I'M JUST OTHERIZING YOU. I'M NOT ACTIVELY VICTIMIZING YOU, THIS IS MY FIGHT SONG, as he walks away. But, all the time. Like, like this isn't stuff that I act on, but it is so trained into me from society and culture that I'm like, I'll give another great example, right? Right. So Max has this little girl whenever they go into school, little runs up and hold Max's hand. And she's like, Max, hold my hand. He's going to school. And it's so cute. And I'm like, that's adorable. Look at them little friends. The other day, a little boy runs up to Max and is like, Lex, hold by hand as we go into the school. And again, entirely inside my head, I was like, weird, nuts, weird. Why is that kid want to hold my kid's hand?

0:27:55 Thomas: It sucks.

0:27:56 Eli: I have been so brainwashed by living through the 80s and 90s that my brain was like someday she might fuck your kid that's why it's okay that's what it is right tom's

0:27:56 Tom: Jesus Christ.

0:28:06 Thomas: True. It's no, it'S all it'S the ingrained sexism and homophobia. One hundred percent. It'd be it'd being a show where we don't pretend that we don' have any of that of course we do like we were raised in the time and place we were raised in like that's we say it all the time

0:28:17 Tom: That is not even remotely true.

0:28:19 Eli: A vicious racist we say it all the time we say and we we try to prevent him from expressing those opinions on the air but I mean do we ever release the skull shape episode or do we just because

0:28:25 Tom: Jesus Jesus Christ, what did I do to you today? So I don't love my son, and I'm a vicious racist.

0:28:33 Thomas: But here's

0:28:33 Eli: Of his race Tom refers to Eamon as the most Irish of his children and I don't know what that means I have asked him not to explain it several times I know he has a chart, he always reaches back to get it and I say I don' t want to see it

0:28:47 Tom: I have a lot of charts, though, to be fair.

0:28:49 Thomas: Having you boys and a girl for now that I know of you know um

0:28:54 Eli: Oh god damn it Thomas this is what he did before Remy everybody

0:28:57 Thomas: Until one of them transitions until one transitions I wasn't saying I was gonna have another kid although you know you never know I'm just I haven't gotten the vasectomy so can

0:29:05 Tom: I mean, you can know for sure, though. Like, there's...

0:29:06 Eli: I'm doing it while you're here at Matreon you're going to wake up and me and Richard Seaman are going to be standing over you

0:29:07 Thomas: You no no not richard stephen anyone else anyone else I know

0:29:15 Eli: To be fair me and richard seaman are equally good at vasectomies

0:29:19 Thomas: But here's the thing. What you notice is how easy and quickly it happens without you A, consciously doing it and maybe even without you doing it much at all. It's just in the atmosphere. Like every single movie they watch, every single show they watch absolutely has all these things reinforced. The colors. Oh, the girl superhero is pink one with the curvy blah. And the boys are the one, the first of all, they're usually the main one, uh, unless they're watching that horrible fucking show that everyone in the world, apparently, what was that one?

0:29:54 Thomas: The ladybug one where I was like, they are watching this obscure thing that makes no sense. And I hate, and the truly the world emailed us like the, it was like at at the world .com. It was like yeah, there's a domain for everyone except the three of you. Um, fuck Thomas is what they said.

0:29:57 Tom: Coming

0:29:54 Eli: Lady but again wow thomas why haven't you learned this cat boy and ladybug yeah yeah they got together with the supernatural fans to take us down a pain side note uh do you guys know about pj masks so the main one the robin of that his name is cat boy and I laugh at it every time and must be so confused because he's always like I'm cat boy I'm like gayness gecko

0:30:20 Thomas: That one too god oh cat boy yeah oh that one was so funny because when arlo's speech was still he's getting a bit better but when arla's speech were still not quite you know there they were obsessed with pj masks and he would go through the whole intro tap boy alette and he'd have all the other ones and he had his weird ways of saying each one and he could do like the whole like like routine. Yeah. Detto. Yeah, it was perfect because the show had like four names that he would fuck up perfectly or whatever. Top boy, Alette, Detto, and we're just like, this is the best.

0:31:00 Eli: It rules tom side note gecko uh gets super strength because geckos are lame and it's the funniest thing ever because every time he has super strength they're like lizard muscles and And it's like, hey, hey. Hey, PJ Masks. You don't have to lie to me. Okay? You kid's going to walk around his life being like, watch out. That lizard's pretty strong. Nope.

0:31:20 Thomas: Have you seen the ones that do the pushups though? Those ones fucking rule. Have you ever seen those?

0:31:24 Tom: Jacked fucking lizards

0:31:24 Eli: I have not seen a lizard do a push -up.

0:31:25 Tom: Rucking around yeah I

0:31:27 Thomas: Was on a hike one time. Uh, the one time in my life I've gone on a height cause it's so boring.

0:31:31 Tom: Would say I already don't believe

0:31:32 Thomas: Yeah I'm so bored. It was, but I'm bored. Tom, I'm bored just talking about it

0:31:34 Eli: I wrote lizard doing and lizard doing push -ups immediately filled in.

0:31:39 Tom: You yeah did

0:31:40 Thomas: Yeah cause they do this so there's lizards who do this I don't know if it's mating or just fucking working out

0:31:44 Tom: You bring your laptop on the hike because I'm I can't even imagine this not being the case

0:31:46 Thomas: I for the life of me I can't remember what this was I may have been a hostage or something and I've just blocked it out of my memory I

0:31:51 Eli: I think it was part of the lawsuit. Based on how many absurd things we went through.

0:31:53 Thomas: May have been kidnapped no this was this is like decades ago or whatever this is a long time ago and there was a particular rock where they all hung out cause you know cold blooded they got on the heat rock and they just do push -ups it's fucking they look exactly like Tom actually they do pushups they make hard eye contact and they're like yeah fucking fight me bro fight me bruh yeah Joe listening to Joe Rogan and they like fight me broke yeah I'm the strongest fucking lizard in the world I'm an alpha lizard I'm gonna hopefully see all these others are beta lizards and but they're all saying that

0:31:58 Eli: Lawsuit. Don't get Tom started. They're racist.

0:32:12 Tom: Are they listening to news podcasts and audiobooks

0:32:27 Eli: Sorry I'm not contributing I'm trying to think of a lizard slash news podcast pun and it's taking 100 % of my brain space do you guys mind if we sit here in silence for like 75 minutes while I come up with one

0:32:29 Thomas: That's that's tough yeah

0:32:36 Tom: I just let it, let it percolate. Yeah. So does, does Phoebe know that she's going to have to leave baseball or yeah.

0:32:42 Thomas: Not yet I don't know

0:32:44 Tom: And you don't know how many years she's got, right.

0:32:44 Thomas: If I'll bother yeah it's

0:32:45 Tom: It's probably several years.

0:32:45 Eli: What's what's on gecko what's on gecko what's undeck is the Chicago public news radio I'm you gonna keep working on it you guys do your thing I'm all good

0:32:51 Tom: So Phoebe doesn't know yet.

0:32:51 Thomas: Not that's what oh okay yeah all right no because you know who knows how long she'll want to play we'll do one more more you one more season and then we'll see if she wants to do softball but then know inevitably what'll happen is she'll if she has little friends who do it and then she'll be like yeah softball is great and then it'll belike yep that's how we do it like society figures it out you know they pretty much figure it out peer

0:33:19 Eli: Know what

0:33:20 Tom: Well the society figures it out in the sense that like eventually girls figure out that they're like second class citizens in America. That says That's honestly what they like. They start to internalize all the different ways that life is different for them. And they're like, yeah, this tracks, too. Let me just put this in the bucket of, like, unfair bullshit.

0:33:26 Thomas: That's what I mean. Yeah,

0:33:35 Eli: I realized as we were talking about this because I was like oh man Max doesn't do any activities but you know what I realized all of his activities are neuro spicy activities like speech class and OT and shit and that's how I talk to other neuro spice parents I'm like oh my god you gotta go to Montclair speech no no no Mrs. Harmony is the best trust me I'm a sports dad standing out the gate knuckles through the fence come on pronounce your T's pronounce your teeth pronounce your D's W sounds bones.

0:34:00 Tom: What?

0:34:03 Thomas: You and me both, man, because

0:34:07 Tom: Dude, all of my kids did speech therapy and OT as well. So, like I feel. Well, no, I don't think Aislinn did, actually.

0:34:13 Eli: Well, that's what I was going to say. It was weird that you didn't let Aislinn do it because women should be silent.

0:34:17 Thomas: She's a girl. Yeah.

0:34:19 Eli: That was your words, not mine.

0:34:18 Tom: No. She did do speech theory. Speech therapy. I'm totally wrong. Wrong no

0:34:21 Eli: Thank you, Thomas.

0:34:21 Tom: Aislinn did do speech therapy

0:34:22 Eli: Thank you.

0:34:22 Tom: I'm wrong I just wasn't yeah I but I like all of the kids did yeah early intervention at point in their lives and all of them have had IEPs and 504s so I fucking totally get that well

0:34:34 Thomas: Remy's just not going to fucking talk, by the way. He's just decided, no, not going gonna do it

0:34:38 Eli: To be fair, he tried screaming and you guys didn't like that.

0:34:38 Tom: How old is he now yeah you guys just complain Complain about it.

0:34:42 Thomas: Not a fan he's gotten a little bit better about that yeah we did we did the um so on on your guys's advice or probably lydia would have done this anyway because she's a good parent but like we did the I.E.P. a what is it yeah and we met with the principal because he's fine going to kindergarten next year he's graduated his uh and he was sick so he didn't get to do graduation that was really frustrating um one day that there was graduation, it was going to be super cute. He had barfed the day before and then was fine. So we're like, maybe it's a food poisoning. Can you wear like a hundred masks and just stand off to the side? And they're like no. We're like okay, that's fair.

0:34:43 Eli: And do it at a lower volume? That doesn't make any sense. That's crazy.

0:34:56 Tom: IEP.

0:35:01 Eli: Fuck yeah. That'S how

0:35:22 Thomas: So he missed his whole, yeah, he missed this whole graduation. So that was a bummer. But, um, we start, we're starting him in the, in the school district. And so we had the meeting with the principal and it's really cool. Uh, It's, it'S awesome how many more resources, you know, kids have these days.

0:35:22 Eli: You make a serial killer oh

0:35:34 Thomas: Anyways, kids.

0:35:33 Eli: Dude it's so so my buddy is dealing with this right now he's got some shitty school shit going on and if you if you have a neurotypical kid and something's going on they're just like fuck you but because IEP is all law shit they're like oh what happened he dropped his snack well if you see in his IEP we can actually write a sentence that says and if he ever drops his snack the principal will pick it up personally and make sure that it is gently fed to him at 2 p .m. and 7 p. m. Like, know I that the, and look, I also know that people have had horrible experiences with that, but can I I argue this to the parents out there who've had that? You don't look half as crazy as I do. So maybe you should look like a danger to yourself and others. Maybe your kids would get a little more on their IEPs. But yeah, the stuff that's written in this year, we did his year -end wrap -up IEP meeting and we were like, yeah, so he's got the, you know, we'll get him an aid full -time. And I was like, oh, nice. And then he didn't want want to do nap time and they were like that's okay he used to go watch tv and

0:35:57 Thomas: It's kind of true. Hmm. Jeez.

0:36:31 Eli: So max just fucking sits in a barca lounger while the other kids are lying there in sleep prison

0:36:36 Thomas: Yeah. Well, it's so funny because all Arlo needs is he needs speech therapy. And I think that's pretty much it. I mean, everything else he's getting, we're going to keep an eye on it, but like he's doing great. But his specific speech is you kind of not not there on some things but other things she said it was still age appropriate it's just like you know phoebe was so good at it that we thought he was behind you know but um it was so funny because all he needs are these two little sounds like be like four sounds and because of that we have a whole IEP plan and a thing and an infrastructure and a person when it's like yeah it's he just just needs help with these two sounds they're like nope you're signing an entire plan we have a whole thing we've got an employee we've gotta schedule we gotta build out the schedule and we're like jesus all right that's awesome that's how it goes now

0:37:20 Tom: That is awesome. I will say I know I mentioned this earlier that Eamon has reading at the beginning of the year was essentially non -existent. He entered third grade with his reading level was emerging kindergarten. And we just had a email back and forth with his IEP coordinator. His reading is now up to grade level so in one year he moved from emerging kindergarten to third grade yeah he's he now reads at a third grade level he reads at grade level so they adjusted his IEP standard accordingly but still pretty far behind in math but that's okay you know reading is such a deeply fundamental skill that like so

0:37:38 Eli: Fuck yeah and

0:37:39 Thomas: Wow one year holy shit nice yeah yeah I love

0:37:58 Eli: Math is stupid and boring yeah I say that all the time

0:37:59 Thomas: Math but reading is more you'd rather if I had to choose one I'd be like yeah Yeah. Reading helps so many other things.

0:38:00 Tom: When I

0:38:03 Eli: I did have to choose one I did oh

0:38:05 Tom: He can't engage like worksheets and other things that that are math related until he can read because he can even read the instructions or you know so but those ieps I just want to like chime in like those ieps they can like they can absolutely catapult your kid there they can be the difference between absolute struggle which is what we all grew up with like children of the 80s like there's no fucking IEP in the 80's not that I'm aware of like I moved in with my dad I couldn't fucking read I was in first grade like

0:38:21 Eli: So great oh absolutely not are you in the 80s

0:38:35 Tom: Like it what was I 1984 1985 when I was first grade give or take when I moved in with my Dad I couldn t read anything you know I d gone to school and they sent me to school you know thinking that I had you know cognitive delays so they weren t even trying to teach me shit

0:38:48 Eli: Monkey handling skills on the other hand off the charts

0:38:50 Thomas: Yeah, like can you do the sign language? Oh yeah, you can sign with the monkey, but

0:38:54 Tom: Couldn't write my fucking name I was in the middle of first grade I didn't know the alphabet, I couldn'T write my name They weren't even trying to teach me that shit And there was no IEPs They just throw you in and they're just like Well, he'll sink or he'll swim, it's 1984, fuck you kid And it's so much better now It's soo much better

0:39:09 Eli: So know the thing that really makes the clincher for the IEP and this they explain it to you and everything is that there's a thing at the very bottom of the IAP that says and hey if we don't do any of this you can sue us and we have to pay for your lawyer and as people who have since recently experienced the legal, I now understand why everybody is so attentive to IAPs.

0:39:21 Thomas: Sue us yep yep yep yeah jesus yeah

0:39:31 Eli: You can sue us and we will pay for you to do that is the, any, that was amended to anything in my life, I would get six -pack abs if it was like, get six pack abs or we can sue you and you have to pay for it.

0:39:39 Thomas: Man oh maybe we should do that somehow new workout app is sign away your legal what's the word indemnification the workout app yeah but anyway to return to the the boys and girls thing like so I'm realizing in an interesting way, you gents don't have the exact same experience where you have like, you know, two kids close in age, one a boy, one, a girl that know, where you're seeing like these splits in real time.

0:40:08 Eli: Match is nine, so there's a pretty big difference.

0:40:11 Thomas: And so it's like, it's weird to have these splits in real -time where it's like they're doing the same thing, you know, because they're close in age and then they literally like, okay, now off and the default, as As you said, Tom, the default is the male experience. And then, oh, you know, the girls, they'll have some stuff that's like that. I mean, it's better obviously now than it was, but I don't know how to think about it. I guess I'm just curious from listeners, maybe they can chime in. I hope people understand that none of this is to denigrate softball and other women's sports that they have developed an world and ecosystem. System. And it's, I'm sure, you know, it's just crazy that to think about the concept of that for softball to me.

0:40:52 Eli: Counterpoint if you want to balance out the experiences sign them both up for cub scouts now and then when they split off genders they'll be like phoebe you get to be part of this multinational charity organization that has like vice presidents and incredible people as its former members um if you wanna stay with the fascists uh don't tell them anyone in your family doesn't believe in god or

0:41:12 Tom: Wait a minute can

0:41:14 Thomas: Yeah, wait,

0:41:14 Tom: Girls be part of the cub scouts now no

0:41:16 Thomas: I think you've said the opposite, isn't it? Girl Scouts is the good one. And then Boy Scouts, what's

0:41:21 Eli: Girl scouts is the good one was the was the thrust rest of that bit

0:41:23 Thomas: Cub

0:41:23 Tom: I think that's what he cub scout is a is boy scouts yeah in

0:41:27 Eli: Start

0:41:24 Thomas: Scouts? Cub Scots is Boy Scots, right? I think you said I think you said that in girl scouts

0:41:28 Eli: Them both out in the non -gendered scouts in the girl scouts right and then

0:41:30 Tom: Scouting well

0:41:31 Thomas: They did they change it to scouts now just like okay

0:41:33 Eli: I was just doing a bit I was doing a bet that's it

0:41:34 Tom: Boy no scouts are still sex segregated and so are the girl scouts I just didn't

0:41:38 Thomas: A good bit I just like genuinely what is the word do they still call it girl scouse because that's the better organization or did they rename it that's what I said yeah so they renamed his scouts okay so eli I will edit out cub before your joke and you just said scouts and it was fantastic.

0:41:38 Tom: Get it oh I didn't know that.

0:41:45 Eli: It's called the scouts I think yeah right there you go and it's perfect as you nailed it thank you oh I am the heart and and soul of this podcast

0:41:55 Thomas: Eli, amazing joke. Ha, ha, ha. Yeah. Arlo, if you'd like to do Boy Scouts, no, I'm not going to let you near those people alone. So, no.

0:42:06 Eli: Because they teach you to throw a hatchet before they teach you first aid they

0:42:11 Thomas: Yeah, best case is they teach you fascism. Worst case is some sort of horrible abuse.

0:42:15 Eli: Get you molested and cover it up yeah of

0:42:16 Tom: Either of you guys in those scouts at all?

0:42:18 Thomas: God,

0:42:18 Eli: Course not are you kidding

0:42:19 Tom: I was in scouts for a couple of years.

0:42:20 Thomas: Of course not for different reasons, though, for Eli and I.

0:42:24 Tom: I got kicked out of the cub scouts. I like you do like a tiger scouts, cub sc outs, we blows. Then you do boy scouts that's like the track.

0:42:30 Thomas: Wee blows?

0:42:31 Tom: And then you do Eagle scout.

0:42:32 Eli: Yeah that's how you get your kid molested it literally is called we blow

0:42:33 Tom: I don't know why they call it. We blows like that's terrible. Yeah but it's W E B b -e -l -o -s I I don't know where it comes from but yeah I like into that one and my dad was actually the scout leader for a few years and like I got kicked out eventually but yeah it was

0:42:36 Thomas: Is that an animal or something a wee blow yeah

0:42:47 Eli: Your dad kicked you out tom I I hate you and I like your brother jokes on

0:42:48 Thomas: This fucking kid won't tile the bathroom

0:42:50 Tom: It's no yeah he actually got mad because he wasn't taking it seriously I would go to cub scouts to just screw around and I wouldn't do this stuff like I would just screw round and make jokes and like he's like if you're not gonna take it seriously I'm not gonna spend my weekends doing this and I was like well I'm now gonna take seriously so we should spend our weekends differently

0:43:05 Eli: Him now now you make money

0:43:05 Thomas: So he didn't keep doing it okay I assumed he was gonna keep doing it like with other kids just

0:43:10 Eli: Obviously that's what I assumed as well all

0:43:12 Tom: He got he got he got grouchy about it

0:43:20 Eli: Right gentlemen before we go snail goes into a ferrari dealership and says give me the fastest car you have and they say well well sir that's the s900 uh 200 goes miles per hour uh and zero to 103 seconds the snail goes yeah but but will you paint a big S on it for me? And he said, I mean, we could paint a big S. On it for you, but why do you want that? He says, because because when I drive by, I want people to say, look at that S car go.

0:43:46 Tom: Oh my god all

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