GG82: The Tate Brothers Are Scared. Their Filings Prove It.

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0:00:01 Clip: All rise. Court is now in session. Court is reconvened. I may be seated. Maintain order. The federal rise is based on the jury's argument to its verdicts.

0:00:26 Thomas: Gavalin, Gavalinos, I'm Thomas, that's Lydia, but more importantly, joining again, well, and me too, we equally don't matter as much as the fact that we've got MJ Morley back on the show. MJ, how are you doing?

0:00:29 Lydia: Yeah, skip over me. Who cares? Drumroll, please.

0:00:42 MJ: I am great. I'm so happy to be back with the gavel heads. Is that what you gavelinos? I don't know. Happy to be back.

0:00:50 Thomas: Many, many different. There's much, much thought has gone into the second Gavalino conference decided that, no, what's the, what do they call the Catholic ones? The encyclicals or the something. There've been many, much writing, much deliberation over what the Gavalinos are called. In the end, I'm not even sure we all agree.

0:01:09 Lydia: I think that's correct. I don't think we all agree. Yep, yep. Gavalinas, exactly.

0:01:10 Thomas: Yeah. Gavel heads, Gavalenos, Gavalinas. I don't know. Gavalistas. I like that one.

0:01:15 Lydia: Oh, Gavalistas is good. That's like spicier.

0:01:18 Thomas: Yeah, so. So take your pick.

0:01:16 MJ: Well, I'm very happy to be back.

0:01:20 Lydia: It's been so long. I've missed you.

0:01:22 MJ: I have missed you too. And you kept us company actually on a road trip listening to the sandwich trial episodes with my child who now is very thinks it's very funny and is very angry that the whole thing happened. But he's a big Thomas fan. So lots of giggles, lots of giggles from from Thomas.

0:01:40 Thomas: Wow. There's one of us. Let him know he's in no company.

0:01:41 Lydia: So cute. You oh getting

0:01:50 Thomas: Oh, man. But no, even more importantly, I think we can even say we're here for happy news, like happy occasion, which is the biggest assholes, rapists, piece of shit in the world. Turns out are also, well, who knows if anyone's telling the truth, but frauds and maybe don't have as much money as they say. And most importantly, they're in custody right now. It's the Tate brothers.

0:02:12 Lydia: There just desserts

0:02:15 MJ: Fascinating to see the image that they put online versus what their lawyer is trying to claim in court.

0:02:21 Thomas: And I saw your posting on this and I just thought, oh, we've got to hear more of these details. We talked about a little bit on OA, but not in an MJ Morley way, you know? And that's the most important thing.

0:02:33 MJ: Well, thank you. I'm excited to talk about it. It's been very interesting to talk About online. They seem to have an army of, I guess that was the point of their whole presence online, but an army Of angry, not men, but angry people, people on the internet.

0:02:44 Thomas: What's the word?

0:02:46 MJ: Yeah and

0:02:46 Lydia: Are they all like dude presenting or are you getting like women presenting bots also I know yeah yeah

0:02:52 MJ: I don't even know if they're bots I just refuse to call them men um but mostly mostly dude presenting and then a few women being like you're an idiot if you believe what their lawyer said about their wealth I'm like well you think their lawyer is going to lie I hope

0:03:10 Thomas: Yeah. Well, as always, you're fighting the good fight online, and I'm excited to get into it. So hold on. We'll take a quick break, and then we will get into this filing and talk about how much these people suck.

0:03:28 Thomas: I guess we might as well catch people up on the basic basics in case they didn't get it somewhere else.

0:03:34 Lydia: Appreciate it because I mean the things that stick in my mind the most is really just what andrew tate was wearing when he was arrested so

0:03:34 MJ: Not yes oh oh please I can't wait I will I will tee you up right end it with you know on July

0:03:39 Thomas: Yeah, we're going to spend 45 minutes on that. The majority of the episode will be that. No, I just realized Lydia's not a fan. She's not a listener of OA and she doesn't like me personally. So she probably doesn't. No I'm just kidding. She probably doesn't actually know as much about this as I'm realizing that I thought she did. So yeah. For Lydia's sake, tell everyone.

0:03:54 Lydia: So no, I'm so OK. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

0:03:56 MJ: 18th yes

0:04:05 Lydia: For my sake, please.

0:04:06 MJ: Okay and that's actually I feel like most of the internet doesn't understand we just hate them but how they ended up in jail in florida it's very interesting so they are british and american they built this online business in romania britain says that business was built on trafficked and raped women and has charged them with 59 separate offenses romania says the same thing and is investigating on behalf of 46 alleged victims and these men have an army online right there are so many victims Romania arrested them first which gave Britain a problem because Romania couldn't hand them over until their own case ended and that case kept falling apart on procedural things not actual merit

0:04:51 Thomas: Well yeah, I mean my understanding is they have connections and were able to get it kind of slowed, slow it down enough to sort of almost get away with it in Romania.

0:05:01 MJ: That's kind of what it seems like but in the filings Romania in this case in Florida they've kind of have letters submitted makes it seem like it's not over right like the the claim still exist who knows what happens there

0:05:09 Thomas: Well, Well plus, who knows if someone's like "oh we were totally... oh man, so glad you grabbed him. Ah I was this close. You know what? I was trying to print I was trying to print out the final report and it just, I keep doing that joke. My printer ran out of ink. I was just this close, who knows?

0:05:25 MJ: Completely yeah completely I don't know I agree with that yeah but romania let them travel in 2025 they came to florida britain then asked america to arrest them instead we did america did on july 18th 2026 and right now in miami we are fighting about not whether about whether they did any of it it's only about whether they have to wait in a cell basically before they get extradited. So that's, that is the fight right now. And I would love to hear what you thought about when they were arrested.

0:06:00 Thomas: Well first off, I want to make sure to add that like, Like, I don't know what your opinion is based on reading this. Let me know. But my impression kind of in real time on this was like, I don't even know that this would have happened without that article. But who knows? Maybe in the end, the investigation was going on alongside that. But it just feels weird and coincidental that no one gives a shit until a female journalist puts a million hours of work into writing about how fucking horrible these people are. And it makes waves. And then it's like, oh, you arrest them. It felt like that. Maybe that's not the right impression. What do you think?

0:06:36 MJ: No, I definitely have the same thought and, and I feel badly because I knew they existed and I knew there were terrible, but I never like looked that far into them. And that article kind of like shook me reading how, how bad they are, the things that they've done. And, I mean, we've seen this in in other cases, but bad people put really dumb things in text and messages, right? And you're like, how you're so awful, but you're also so dumb. And, and I'm yelling now, I'm gonna be out of breath. But it's so confusing to me how we can let people like this have influence over anyone. And it's terrifying, as a parent, but also just people that live in this country where they They somehow have power. I don't know how anyone could read that article and not feel sick.

0:06:48 Thomas: Yeah, it's really bad. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. It's truly, truly.

0:07:28 Lydia: This is the New Yorker article. Mm hmm.

0:07:30 Thomas: Yeah. The New York Oracle. And by the same token, I've, you know, we obviously news is rough these days, but I don't think I've been so happy as when they got arrested because it's like genuinely just a feeling of like, this can't go on. This thing that we're in now, this era we're In where everyone decided like, well, I guess us evil people like they get to do whatever and like that's fine I guess because like people kind of laugh at it a little and they they like triggering the libs or something so I guess we just just evil rapists just do evil stuff and then just that's fun and like once they're arrested it instantly feels like oh my god thank god you still can face consequences for being the literal worst person ever and I think that's really important really really important so

0:08:14 MJ: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I completely agree with that.

0:08:18 Thomas: That was the uh the The quick version, that's pretty much it. We don't have to go into how shitty the, but if anybody doesn't know, I mean, it's just really, really awful, exploitive, manipulative stuff, coercive, choking, lots of women, like physical abuse, rape, like it's all the worst stuff. And it's not really a close call. There's no like argument on the other side that I could even possibly think of. Because like you say, MJ, it'S all, they just say it, like they just SAY it in texts and stuff. So there's no need for any truthers or anything. Like it's, these guys just fucking suck. So having said that, then the fight, like you said, is about the extradition and also, I guess, about keeping them in custody while they await that. Right.

0:08:57 MJ: Yeah. So it's not a prosecution right now. The U .S. hasn't charged them with anything. It has a duty under a treaty to hold them, decide whether they decide whether we can extradite them. There has to be a word like whether they're extra to I don' t know.

0:09:12 Thomas: Oh, extraditable. I don't know. Yeah. I feel like there is another word probably that. Yeah, I don' t know. Yeah.

0:09:15 MJ: Yeah. Is that a word? I feel like that might be a Word. Um but yeah but so that's what they're deciding but right now the only kind of live question in front of the court is whether they can go on bail so they can be out and because of that their lawyer was I would actually say legally put in kind of a difficult position to try to argue why they should be released on bail and that's

0:09:46 Thomas: Is that because they're literally the worst possible people to try to argue bail for because they've already fled a country? It's like they're on paper, they're among the worst. They have connections and abilities to leave and multiple passports. There's all kinds of reasons why you would just not want to let these folks out.

0:09:51 Lydia: Yeah incredible flight risk

0:09:51 MJ: Funny yeah completely and it's a hard legal argument too and you know not a criminal law attorney I'm definitely not doing anything close to this in my day job but I've been reading a lot about it and this type of bail is not ordinary bail so there's a presumption against release and the burden would sit on the tates to show kind of two things one that they're neither a flight risk nor a danger and that special circumstances justify release. And the second from reading is an independent test. So lack of flight risk alone is not enough to get out, which is very interesting. And because they're such online people posting ridiculous things all the time, sorry, I can't help it, but put the digs in there. But the government's flight risk case was basically almost entirely from their own content. Yeah so they posted they used posts where they're boasting about having multiple passports and multiple identities where they talk about yes of being above the law where they talked about their wealth which really I would say only left their lawyers one way to go when you look at it like they had to they basically had to argue that the personas are a performance

0:11:02 Lydia: Wow oh my

0:11:21 Thomas: I joked on OA that I think the best argument is actually, Your Honor, those pants are so tight, they couldn't be a flight risk. It's impossible. They can't even move in those things.

0:11:26 MJ: Performance oh yeah it feels fake it feels like someone wrote this for like south park or something like this doesn't feel like a real thing that is happening in court that our government is paying lawyers to fight and like it's very silly to me but they basically argue that the characters that have sold millions of men on what it is to be a man were performing I think there's one where where they quote an old deposition saying it was for comedic effect, the supercars were rented, the yacht wasn't theirs, it was an advertisement, and Top G is just a character.

0:12:04 MJ: So fascinating for people who've built the wealth that they do have on this image to then have their lawyer go to court and argue basically that they're full of crap.

0:12:12 Lydia: I ask so obviously the tates are on one side of this fight and the other fight the other side of the fight to get them extradited to the uk is being represented by lawyers from the uk like the government there or does our government step in and represent like on behalf of the united kingdom how does that

0:12:23 Thomas: Yeah, that's a good question.

0:12:30 MJ: So right now they're just fighting over bail and and that's the US attorney fighting against Tate's attorneys. I actually don't even know what happens next. We can see that, I don't know what happens, like who is fighting in the extradition part, I would assume. Actually, I do not know. I do even want to assume, but I know right now we are seeing letters submitted as exhibits from the UK and from Romania, but they are just attached to the US Attorney that is arguing, like showing this is what we got from Romania. This is what we got from Britain. Yes.

0:12:41 Lydia: Work declarations in supportive kind of thing. Okay. It's just interesting to me because I know that the Tates have been politically connected to Trump and the GOP and a variety of figures in the right for a long time. So it is interesting to kind of see how that plays out now. I know, I think Trump has said like they're not going to intervene or anything like that. Like they're just going to let the process play out, which I imagine probably bothers the Tate brothers. They are close -ish with with Barron, I think.

0:13:31 Thomas: Oh, yeah. Yeah, and they're close with, I think, Don Jr.

0:13:37 Lydia: Don Jr., yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, it's just kind of interesting to me that the administration, I don't think they could really say anything else. Like, this is so egregious, but just the dynamics at play there, I Think is super interesting.

0:13:48 MJ: I agree with you completely. And you reminded me that I know that the last step before we decide whether they are extradited or not is the Secretary of State. If a judge says, yes, they can be, the Secretary of State makes the last call. And that's where you saying that, I'm like, oh, yes. Okay. The Trump administration, they will have to make a decision, right?

0:14:12 Thomas: Oh, really?

0:14:12 MJ: They make the final call.

0:14:12 Lydia: And it, like, lands on, quote -unquote, Marco Rubio, but Trump ultimately, I think, will direct Marco Rubo as to what he wants.

0:14:19 Thomas: When you say make the final call, does that mean it's actively a call, Or is it like they have the last chance to intervene? Because I feel like that kind of matters. Do they have to actively do something? Or is that like if they don't intervene, it happens or something?

0:14:31 MJ: I'm pretty sure that if If whatever happens at the kind of court level, it then, before anyone is extradited, it goes to the Secretary of State. I don't know what that looks like. I'd need to look at that.

0:14:44 Thomas: Well, either way, it doesn't seem like the administration because the administration has nothing to gain anymore from them. And, you know, so that's good. I mean, it's a really you could certainly imagine a world in which they're fighting for them. And who knows what would happen then? But it's really nice that that's not happening. It's really it's very good.

0:14:59 MJ: Yeah, it'll be, I think, we'll at least see coverage of the decision for good or if they actually just don't do anything and let it, if they certify it, great, I guess, for them. I mean, that's what should happen. If they don't, then that's going to be everywhere. And I will say, we've now seen two sets of problematic brothers with connections to this administration and they're now not doing you know they're not helping right the alexander brothers who recently were sentenced in new york had connections to the trump the sons pictured with them and now we have these ones as well and they'RE NOT HELPING so it does seem like someone recognizes that helping people that are alleged of such ridiculous crimes is you can't do it right which it's crazy that I'm saying at least

0:15:39 Thomas: What are the odds that they'd be connected to so many rapists? It's like what weird what a coincidence I wonder how many coincidentally like people I know are like internationally acclaimed rapists you know just

0:15:46 Lydia: Wonder why. Why? Hmm.

0:15:56 MJ: It's fascinating

0:15:55 Lydia: Well, in the same way that you say anyone with ADHD flocks to your shows.

0:16:00 Thomas: Randomly that's true they all listen to the rapist

0:16:05 Lydia: Yep. Yep. They all kind of.

0:16:06 MJ: I feel like very targeted with with that statement, Lydia.

0:16:09 Thomas: Podcast hopefully the first

0:16:11 Lydia: Everyone should feel very targeted with that statement because it's accurate.

0:16:16 MJ: Yes, it is.

0:16:16 Lydia: It's just truth.

0:16:17 MJ: Okay. Oh, yeah, I didn't know. You're right.

0:16:20 Lydia: Yeah.

0:16:13 Thomas: Thing yeah yep they all flock to the party of no consequences for bad people not really a coincidence at all

0:16:27 MJ: They really, really do. This is interesting. And I think you'll probably find this interesting. But as someone who I've never been monetized for making content, Instagram now pays me for carousels. It's not very much money, but like, like $20 on a viral ish one. But this Andrew Tate one, where all the men are fighting in my comments has made like a hundred dollars I'm like oh outrage sells so much and it makes sense why content creators are trying to make you angry I just watch it and I'm like wow the more you fight in my comment the more money I make from meta and I don't I don' actually like that but it's you sort of see like the behind the scenes of oh

0:16:39 Lydia: Like seven cents or. Oh, mm hmm.

0:16:59 Thomas: Oh boy that's great jesus fucking Christ.

0:17:11 MJ: Why are people trying trying to make us angry and then you're like oh okay it's by design

0:17:11 Lydia: Because it's a profit motive. Yep. Yep. Yeah.

0:17:17 Thomas: My God. Like I knew that, but also to hear it is even like, yeah, obviously that's why everything's ruined. Like what, what would you expect?

0:17:23 Lydia: All right. Where are we going to in this document?

0:17:31 MJ: So there are quite a few things I like page 13 of 28 has a

0:17:36 Lydia: It says, Emery, Andrew Tate's, and Tristan Tate'S reply in support of their motion for release pending extradition proceedings. I did not know Andrew TATE'S first name is actually Emery. Interesting.

0:17:37 MJ: Lot right yeah I wanted to say Emery's a girl's name but then I said I'm not any better than them if I start saying things like

0:17:54 Thomas: Those are girls pants though. Sorry. I'm not gonna, I'm not pretending otherwise. Oh, that settles that.

0:17:56 Lydia: This subsection, the TATE's do not use fake identities to evade law enforcement. Okay. Let's see how they support this. The social media posts regarding passports are plainly satirical. Although they appear as though Andrew posted them, he did not. A review shows the number of passports and licenses Andrew supposedly possesses changes from post to post. In one of the first tweets the government cites, posted in 2019, Andrew, in quotes, claims to have a Romanian passport. And the screenshot directly underneath it, England froze my passport and bank about three years ago. It's all unfrozen now, but it didn't matter anyway. Romanian passport, jumped on a plane, bye. Banks, 18 countries, my friends, hard to kill, above the law, in all caps.

0:18:38 MJ: That like what

0:18:38 Thomas: Above the law.

0:18:43 Lydia: Andrew is not a Romanian citizen, and he has never had a Romanian passport. Further, the phrases, quote, hard to kill, and quote, above the law, are titles of movies by Steven Seagal, with whom the brothers are socially acquainted. Andrew and his fan base use them as catchphrases. Oh my god. The video in which Andrew claimed to possess passports from Estonia, Nigeria, Poland, the UK, and the US was a joke, complete with Andrew portraying a false Nigerian accent. Cool.

0:18:54 Thomas: Oh My God. God what's the joke

0:19:10 MJ: It's crazy right like and you can see the image of the tweet and this is his lawyer's filing right this isn't the governments where they actually cite posts that they think are a problem this is his lawyer being like he lied when he said romanian passport jumped on a plane by so you're admitting that he's been full of crap when he's like touting this image and he has been trying to get people to think he can do all of these things so I I can't I mean reading it just my jaw just keeps dropping

0:19:39 Lydia: It also like this sentiment here, you know, although they appear as though Andrew posted them, he did not. With zero evidence, zero anything to back that up. They're just going to say that and say like, well, here's spaghetti at the wall and why none of this stuff is real. And also he wasn't actually the one who posted it. So that too. Do any of those things work, Judge? It just feels so farcical. Continuing down, the August 12, 2020 post by AtOfWudon shows a picture of Andrew on a train purportedly escaping the German border because, quote, French and German police are after me. The Tates are not aware of any charges pending against Andrew in France or Germany ever. This same parody account, not Andrew, posted the 2021 tweets criticizing Spanish authorities. Also calling it a parody account?

0:20:03 MJ: Yeah

0:20:24 Lydia: Isn't that that's his account, isn't it?

0:20:24 Thomas: What

0:20:24 MJ: Yeah I believe that it is I believe they both have multiple multiple accounts according to the internet and looking at sources when we were kind of working through to to write about this they uh they definitely have a few different accounts so they have this issue where they're saying no we don't have multiple passports no we don't do these things and then they go into on I guess it would be the top of page actually the bottom of page 13 where they start talking about that their business depends on online attention.

0:20:54 MJ: And then they go into wealth. And that's even funnier for me to read what they've said there.

0:21:00 Lydia: Andrew and Tristan are social media personalities. Their business model depends on online attention. The outrageousness of the posts by them and about them is the point. The more hyperbolic and outlandish the post, the more likely it will generate views and likes, which in turn generates income. In short, in italics, they are playing a role. During a 2026 deposition, Andrew explained his made -for -social -media character, quote, Top G, testifying that, quote. Top G is a character and, quote that character, you know, hyperbolically will say what he believes to be true. And perhaps sometimes he'll exaggerate for comedic effect. This is in his deposition, April 23rd, 2026. He added, quote, Top G takes stories and he makes them as entertaining as possible. I think everybody who watches my content understands that a lot of it is hyperbolic. I don't think there's a single episode of anything I've ever made where people cannot tell that I'm being deliberately sarcastic or hyperbolaic. Andrew also admitted that his self -description as a, quote trillionaire on his website is, quote a hyperboloic exaggeration for comedetic effect. Why is that funny? That's not funny. A trillionaire what there's no joke what I don't get it

0:21:59 MJ: No, it's not even a little bit. No. It's ridiculous. They brag about their wealth to make people buy their products from them so that they can be wealthy too, right? And now they're trying to say that this wealth, that it was comedy? Really?

0:22:11 Thomas: Yeah it's like I do believe that they're lying about most everything but like nothing that matters for this

0:22:22 MJ: No. Yeah. We know that they've been lying for a long time but now their lawyer is admitting that they've been lying and their army is still arguing no the lawyer is that's not true basically they keep saying you don't understand trillionaires they put their money in LLCs I'm like you don'T understand what you just said right like you sorry it's just it's it's a very funny argument repeatedly about how their their lawyer is lying.

0:22:35 Thomas: The lawyer is playing a character you

0:23:02 MJ: There's a part kind of right after where you just talked about where they say Tristan supports that his brother is a trillionaire, right? I say that he's a trillionare.

0:23:11 Lydia: Right he also testified quote my brother brags that he's a trillionnaire and the world's first trillionaire and I back up his claims all the time of course that's a lie tristan also stated that certain claims he made on a podcast were quote a gratuitous attempt at self -promotion and nothing I say in this podcast should be taken seriously it sounded cool at the time andrew's posts on his own account at cobra tate are designed to sell this character for example andrew has claimed claimed quote I can can send anything to nine figures with a single tweet. Quote, in mortal combat, I would destroy a singular wolf. Decimation. I am one of the most powerful humans on the planet. Quot, sooner or later, I will be the British PM and we will destroy these lying scum. QuOTE, my podcasts are the most viewed on the plant because I do not waste the viewer's time. All of these posts are hyperbole. That's fine.

0:23:51 Thomas: See yeah I mean I agree yeah

0:23:54 Lydia: OK, so what?

0:23:55 MJ: Yep. So they go through about how the money is not real. You know, they're exaggerating. And then they start talking about on page 16 that, in quotes, the Tates do not have excessive wealth and influence and any wealth does not establish a flight risk. And then they go go through all these things that the government says that they have based on social media claims including these high -end vehicles private jets a custom 50 million dollar super yacht and have unrestricted access to traditional funds cryptocurrency and bitcoin then he goes through to explain why they actually don't have those things which is all part of the big image that makes everyone think they're great and it's that part is also laughable I'm sorry I'm pointing you to the whole document to be like this is ridiculous yeah

0:24:43 Thomas: Well it's kind of weird too to be like well those are just lies that we tell in order to make money which we haven't made well okay so maybe you don't have a private jet but like sounds like you're making money on the lies you're telling about having money so then I guess you have

0:25:01 Lydia: I have a question here, too, because the Tate's defense sort of calls this out in an interesting way that I'm not sure how accurate this is, But maybe, you know, it says that the government has not established these grandiose claims are true about their, you Know high -end vehicles private jets, etc, etc Once again, the government provides speculation but offers no evidence of ownership only videos podcast boasts and a market Capitalization figure for a meme coin. Do you think that that's I guess what you were saying earlier? The burden of proof is not on the government to establish like hey, they have all this money Here's all the proof of the money that they do have the burden is on the tates to say no, we're not a flight risk because et cetera, et cetera. I don't know. Do you think that that's a misstep on the government's part to not be a little more bulletproof? This is how much money they have. We know here's their bank accounts.

0:25:03 Thomas: Money

0:25:50 MJ: I mean yes I would say reading this the tates their reply is actually not a bad brief because they're trying to establish more facts I'd say the government wins on law to me but doesn't have as much evidence the tate's brief will lose on the law but they do have more facts in there so I think they almost had to say it because the government talks about how in there and sorry I didn't send you their brief but they They start their legal section basically saying this is not criminal and the Bail Reform Act does not apply. So bail is granted only in the most pressing circumstances. I don't have the quote in front of me, but basically when it absolutely has to be. So the burden is on the Tates. And I think they do a good job showing that they have to show that two -part test we talked about. One, even if they show that they're neither a flight risk nor a danger, they also have to show that special circumstances warrant release and in the government's brief they really focus on that that second part is separate and that if they can't even if they establish that they're they're not actually a flight risk that's still not enough for them to be released and then they they have pretty good support showing why even if there's no danger that they are going to try to go to another country with one of their ridiculous passports they have to show that second part, that special circumstances are there. And I don't think that that brief the Tates have aimed at that second part at all.

0:27:20 MJ: Their whole brief is talking about the first part, which I find very interesting because even if the judge believes everything they say and that they're not wealthy, I mean, obviously we know they have at least some millions of dollars, but if the judge accepts what they say, they still have to satisfy the second prong. And I don't think that they have. I think they try to argue that they're complying with everything and they've always complied with what the governments have asked, but that's not enough to show that it's unique. And in my opinion, right, that they are, they have special circumstances. And I do think the government did a good job being like, they basically made his lawyers have to say this because they said they have multiple passports, they've multiple identities, they have all this wealth, they all this influence, they open contempt for law enforcement, right? And then they cited all of their own posts. So there's no version really of the reply, like whoever, I should look up who the attorney is who signed the brief, because there's No version really where Andrew Tate's lawyers can do anything but attack that, which,

0:28:24 MJ: Yes, I think it's funny, right? Right. Like he built this character designed to make all of us think he was rich beyond the reach of any. And I'm saying he because Andrew's everywhere, but rich beyondthe reach of government, beyond the reach of law enforcement, could get away with anything, could jump on a plane if someone suspended his passport. And then the government used that, used that character he built to tell him why he has to stay in jail. And the only thing that he his lawyer could do that he could do was say I wasn't being honest when I said those things like they kind of made them have to do that and I think that's really funny

0:28:59 Thomas: Funny

0:29:00 Lydia: It is also an interesting thing when you think about this idea of wealth too, that perhaps the judge buys all that and he's like, okay, yeah, they're not independently wealthy. They still are incredibly well -connected with people That are demonstrably very wealthy. So like you would still have access to vast amounts of money. Like that's an interesting thing to kind of consider.

0:29:20 Thomas: Well and they also are pretty wealthy and it's like the fact that they just fled somewhere they just had the resources to flee here basically right so like it's I feel like it'S a hard argument it'd be one thing if the burden was the other way you know like maybe but like if the burden's on them I don't that sounds pretty tough I am almost surprised they bothered because like you said I mean they can't put myself in this position because I wouldn't I would just kill myself if I were like them but uh but like I'd almost be like ah fuck it it's not worth it's worth more to like preserve this stupid image than the tiny chance that we're not going to get extradited, it seems like not even worth it.

0:30:00 MJ: Agree and I think that there's I think that they might be really scared there's a quote that the government uses to kind of explain why do it basically to point to why they're a problem and it can I swear on this podcast this is Andrew Tate's social media post from 2021 says if you can't think fuck the law then you don't have fuck you money bribes cash bail expensive lawyers fines

0:30:04 Thomas: Yeah, I think so. Of course.

0:30:35 MJ: It doesn't matter as long as you have money the problem vanishes the law only punishes broke people yeah so the government just I mean maybe this government attorney is just trolling the crap out of them and knew that because some of the sources the government cited are interesting interesting like they cite Mashable to give the Tate brothers net worth they quote to YouTube episodes it's very interesting to see what sources they're using and the Tates lawyer kind of attacks that like they're they're usually weird sources but then the Tats lawyer has to argue that it's just you know these sources are wrong and I think that's very funny like that's a good use of government you know taxpayer money to me this this brief

0:30:47 Thomas: Hell yeah. Use as much of my taxes for that as you want. The alternative is bombing Iran or something especially.

0:31:18 Lydia: Embarrass rapists, please.

0:31:19 MJ: Yeah yes I'm okay with that I do think that the government is likely to win here but that reason my thought on that completely is just that two -part test it's really hard to overcome and I think the Tate's best evidence was pointed at the wrong thing so I don't know it would be very interesting to see see what happens here

0:31:40 Lydia: Yeah I scroll down to look at the lawyers and we have four from Roy Black's firm. So cool Joseph McBride who has represented the Tate's and other matters. Or I guess andrew tate specifically and but then also a lot of january 6 rioters so he's probably really cool I mean the people that they deserve I guess right

0:31:59 MJ: Perfect perfect yes

0:32:04 Thomas: It's pretty amazing to be like, Andrew Tate, you're like the fourth best person I've represented. Or something. I don't know. Maybe he's the worst. That's hard to say. Stiff competition.

0:32:13 MJ: It is hard to say that would be really hard to say right with the list you just read off holy

0:32:18 Thomas: Yeah. Well, any other rapist news lately?

0:32:20 MJ: Oh I do I I do actually think yes there's something that we I might have glossed over at the beginning but that there are a lot of claims against both of them britain has moved in kind of two different waves but there are in total 59 charges and seven different complainants so andrew tate has 42 against him 10 for rape seven for assault occasioning actual bodily harm five arranging or facilitating travel for sexual exploitation one controlling prostitution 15 making or distributing indecent images of children and four for possession of extreme pornography so like that's just in the UK and reading that makes me feel sick 42 and the first wave only had I think 10 against Andrew 11 against Tristan in the UK came back. And in July, they authorized 38 more charges. So I mean, to me, Britain's very serious here, right? That's so much. And what they say happened is that the brothers ran an operation in the U .K. and Romania, where the women they recruited, they referred to as cam girls, perform sexual acts online for subscribers in exchange for money. And they are alleged to have committed forceful rapes with strangulation on more than one victim who have described struggling to breathe while their sexual assaults took place and rape and trafficking for sexual exploitation each carry a maximum of life imprisonment so these are I'm laughing about the filing but they are allegedly very very very bad guys we're not even talking about what they've done yet we're just talking about their money claims but they have publicly posted terrible things about

0:34:09 MJ: Women and women close to them and how to trick women and how did have women work to make you money So that'll be a whole separate thing to look at. But that's just the UK, not even Romania. There are also multiple civil complaints against these brothers for rape, strangulation, coercive control. It's hard to laugh about them bragging about their wealth and then go in and read the underlying kind of issues that we see in these letters from the UK and Romania and not just want to scream. But that is, I guess, the reality, right, that these guys are are very bad. And something that we've seen before, these guys have also sued women for defamation after they have accused them of sexual assault and trafficking. And that's why we had those deposition quotes in that filing, because those depositions are from that civil case. And it's all a lot to think about.

0:35:03 Thomas: I mean, they've successfully intimidated and bullied several witnesses even into hiding.

0:35:06 Lydia: Yeah I was gonna did any of those cases ever like not turn up in the tate's favor or have they just kind of won in all of those like previous things

0:35:17 MJ: The one that I looked at is still happening, right? The deposition was in April 2026. I think there are more. I haven't looked at all of them.

0:35:24 Thomas: Yeah my understanding is they've pretty successfully bullied the women out of coming forward or sticking to their claims. The other thing is, I forgot to even mention it, but the Lauren Southern stuff is the most, I don't even know what the word is for it. I don' Did you see that in the article, MJ?

0:35:41 MJ: I don't think I know that name in particular, but if it's the person I'm thinking about in the article.

0:35:47 Lydia: A right -wing grifter

0:35:49 Thomas: Yeah, it's a girl who made her name by being anti -feminist. And she met with Andrew Tate for like, you know, ostensibly a business thing. And then he raped her. It's like, it'S the most horrific thing. And she literally said in the Article, I mean, the New York Article is just really, everyone should read that. It's just really excellent reporting. And it's truly horrifying. But that stuck with me for so long that this person, she was like, oh, you've totally screwed me because I'm, I can't, you know, I can't say anything, like, it'll ruin my entire image. He was aware of that, and she didn't say anything for the longest time until, now she just sort of like faded from view, I think, because of it, which, you know, maybe it might be nice if instead of that she might have like said, hey, maybe I was wrong about being an anti -feminist.

0:36:37 Thomas: Maybe there's reasons that people have these ideas and want to try to work to spread these better ideas. That was just like a particularly horrifying element of it that was just like, I couldn't even believe it. I was was just like a gasp that that had happened. Yeah.

0:36:49 MJ: I think I need to go reread the article with the context now from reading the court documents because it's all a lot. And the reporter who wrote that article, incredible reporting, right? Like this is why journalism matters when you read something like that.

0:37:06 Thomas: Might as well shout her out. It's Heidi Blake. I think I mentioned this on, on something else, but when you go to that article, I usually listen to stuff. I can't remember if I listened. I don't think I did because I think it's an automated voice and I can do that. I just cannot do automated voices. So I read the whole fucking thing like that. Like I actually use my eyeballs, everybody, people who know me, I canít, the ADHD, I have a hard time with actually reading something with my eyeballs. But I did it because it was that gripping and that important and when you look at how long it is to have the thing read it to you it's 131 minutes like that's how that's the longest article I've ever read and it's like it's just because that's home and not a minute of it not a paragraph of it is wasted or duplicative like it's they are that big of pieces of shit like it is just that big a story and they just they need to be in prison forever it seems like things are going going well along those lines so you know obviously we'll keep an eye on it, but it's just a rare bit of good news.

0:38:12 Lydia: Side note really fast. I just was looking at the Lauren Southern angle of it all. And Britain had banned her from coming to the country for, you know, forever because of her.

0:38:20 Thomas: Oh God. Whoa. Cause she, the shit she did with the boats, right? God.

0:38:23 Lydia: Yeah, yeah. So so she is not allowed to step foot in Britain. And apparently she lives outside of Vancouver, Canada now, I think. And she's appealing against their decision because she wants to be able to give evidence at the Tate trial. Yeah.

0:38:36 Thomas: Oh, wow. Okay. That's interesting. I wonder if they could at least give her like an allowance or something.

0:38:41 Lydia: Yeah yeah. I would hope so.

0:38:43 Thomas: Yeah. Cause they, they did, they, God, I mean, that's a whole thing, but they were so horrendously racist and anti -immigrant that they were like harassing these boats of migrants. And I think they actually endangered one. I want want to say like it was it's great like they had their own boat lauren southern whoever she was with this is just off the top of my head from memory and I'm pretty sure they got banned from patreon at the time too because of that like they actually endangered migrants who were trying to cross you know the water there yeah it's truly despicable people I just can't get over it's just like such a crazy thing that happened especially because like I never interacted with her directly but it was just in that time like those kinds of people who are like followers and supporters were like sometimes on my stuff or like commenting on my stuff is just weird. It felt like a, cause I just forgot about her and I saw this, I was like, oh yeah, shit. I guess that's what happened to her anyway.

0:39:10 MJ: It does. That's very sad and I wish I mean I hope that maybe she will testify or do more right say more because it it shouldn't have to happen to you to impact you but when it does happen to you and you you have a platform maybe one day she will feel comfortable speaking out more

0:39:51 Thomas: I hope she can testify. She did. She spoke to this reporter. So I think that was the first, well, I, and actually she might've put it in her book. Yeah.

0:39:56 Lydia: She she wrote a memoir. Yeah. Yeah, there were two chapters related to it. And she she released those publicly the night before her memoir came out, accusing him of all that stuff and then basically like disappeared after she put it out there. Yeah and she has a son now and it sounds like she's saying you know I still have a lot of conservative beliefs but the world as it is now is very scary and I worry about the kind of environment my son's going to grow up in and what's what happens online to people. So it sounds like like there might be some level of contrition anyway.

0:40:29 Thomas: Be best.

0:40:30 Lydia: Be best.

0:40:31 Thomas: Pretty much be best. That's pretty much what that is. All right. Well, any other, anything else to let the audience know before we call it here?

0:40:39 MJ: Their lawyer says they were playing a role which most people with brains knew most people's brains still know their supporters still say their lawyers are lying so I don't I don't

0:40:52 Thomas: Yeah this just in these lying rapists are full of

0:40:56 MJ: Know yep

0:40:56 Lydia: And we don't have a timeline on when this is going to be resolved or anything like that.

0:41:00 MJ: I think the bail issue should be resolved soon but the extradition time I'm sure there's there's a time period that has to be done within I could figure that out for you

0:41:11 Lydia: Yeah. I'm just curious to see how this all unfolds.

0:41:13 MJ: It's different it's interesting to look at things legally that you have no idea what's happening and you have to go figure that

0:41:18 Thomas: Shit now you know how we feel thanks for coming back on we've missed

0:41:20 MJ: OUT before you can talk about it well thank you guys

0:41:27 Thomas: You and uh keep fighting the good fight out there

0:41:29 MJ: Likewise both of you and enjoy back to school

0:41:33 Thomas: Mj

0:41:56 Lydia: Mortal Kombat, I would destroy a singular wolf.

0:42:00 Thomas: This just end these lying rapeists are