GG68: Extremely Married

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0:00:25 Thomas: Gavalinós, Gavalinos, it's Thomas, and it's Lydia. How you doing, Lydia? And it's, yeah, no, we have another person here. It's Matt. I'm just so disoriented by what's about to happen. I am already nervous. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

0:00:31 Lydia: Hello. Did you forget my name? I know. It is. Thank you.

0:00:38 Matt: Hey, happy anniversary, guys. I understand it's your 11th. This is the first business day after, so this is the parentheses observed, Thomas and Lydia, anniversary day. So I had an idea this morning when I was sitting through one of the longest marriage interviews I've ever had, and then Lydia tells me it's her anniversary, and I thought, we have to do this. We are going to recreate the visa interview, the proceedings by which you would get a marriage visa and residency. Yeah. Right. Well, so that is the problem for the purpose of this exercise is that

0:01:01 Thomas: Yeah. So we're taking a slight break from sandwiching. Lydia and I were working on the transcript and it's a very dull part of it. And that's the problem with that format is like when the transcript's bad, it's like octuple the work for no content. Because we're like, well, we have to do this because we're doing the whole trial, but then there's like not really much. So, we're like, ah, maybe we might need a little more time to do this. And then Matt had the brilliant idea idea to ruin mine and Lydia's marriage. So I'm excited. I, for one, I'm excited. Yeah. I've been thinking that too. You know, I've

0:01:38 Lydia: 11 years is enough, you know.

0:01:44 Matt: You guys are what we call in the business, extremely married. This is a case that would barely need an interview. You've got kids, you've been together a long time. You run a business together. That's what we called in the office. We have gradations. There's kind of married,

0:01:50 Thomas: Been really lately I've Been feeling, no, I' m just kidding. Extremely married. That's what are some of the other ones? Yeah. Moderately

0:02:01 Lydia: What are the other ones? Yeah. Oh, okay.

0:02:05 Thomas: Married. Yeah, yeah. There's the wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Yeah

0:02:06 Matt: Moderately married yeah a new marriage you know where they we don't take anything that isn't actually real like we're very careful we ask a lot of questions yeah yeah so there is a real

0:02:13 Thomas: Yeah, exactly. There's the like, oh, there's the we're not taking this one marriage. Yeah.

0:02:14 Lydia: Air quotes married. Yeah.

0:02:19 Matt: Dating game kind of aspect to the marriage interview if to get separated and asked a bunch of questions about each other so I was giving this some thought on the drive back from

0:02:23 Thomas: Jeez. Sure. So wait, I have the option of leaving the country. I'm out of here. Never mind.

0:02:26 Matt: My very long interview in new hampshire this morning and what I'm going to do is make this a little more interesting by uh spicing up the facts a bit for the purposes of our interview today obviously thomas has to be an immigrant that's the only way this works it's a marriage interview. So just so you don't have to do any acting, I've decided. Yeah, right. We all want

0:02:42 Thomas: Well, you also pretend it's like the 90s or something when you'd actually want to be here.

0:02:43 Lydia: Right. There you go. Yeah, of course. Oh, secrets. And reveal the answers. Exactly. Oh wow. Oh

0:02:46 Matt: To come here. Yeah. Right. Yeah because you're coming from Canada. I'm not making you act today.

0:02:48 Thomas: Oh, my God. What kind of an asshole do I have to be to want to come from Canada to this?

0:02:51 Matt: No accent required. You're coming for the health care. I mean, why else?

0:02:55 Thomas: Be like, uh, ever since I was a part of that freedom convoy, I just thought that it's much better here, you know, and yeah, we have a cheat sheet. I love it. Wow. I Love it. Oh,

0:03:04 Matt: Right. Of course. Couldn't get enough. I've given you each some new facts that are not part of your lives right now that are very simple to remember. You'll have the help in front of you just so that we can establish. Yep. I just sent you over there. So this will come out as we talk. Basically, I'm going to be setting up some issues that we can talk about later. And all of the things that I'm gonna be asking you, all the issues that have come up for the most part in this interview are things that I've seen myself or heard about, and I'm just going to jam them all into one interview. So we have one kind of nightmare interview. And I'm also, before I get started with each of you, going to give you some secret facts just to make it extra fun. Yes. That's a secret.

0:03:35 Thomas: Some secrets. Wow, I killed a guy. For example. It's going to be, sorry. Yeah.

0:03:41 Matt: Secret. Oh, there goes my secret fact. What am I supposed to do now? Secret facts come out all the time in marriage interviews, and I thought this would be fun. Yes. Yes, there is. Yeah.

0:03:46 Thomas: Wow. Now in the real marriage interviews you do, is there ever the dating game part where where you come back together and the agent is like, all right, come back in the room.

0:04:01 Matt: Mm-hmm. Yeah, right. None of this matched. Yeah right. Play the music.

0:04:03 Thomas: You're being deported. But they can make it kind of fun, like before they deport you. She said your favorite dinner is the lasagna. The answer, please. Oh, burgers. Gosh, you guys don't know each other at all. Oh, and you're in a marriage of convenience for just to get in the country. So you're being deported. But oh wow oh that'd be so boring oh no I don't think lydia could ever do this I think it'd be

0:04:23 Matt: Yeah, they do actually sometimes bring you back afterward to sit there, but you have to, the immigrant has to answer the rest of the questions about the residency, and the other the person has to sit there and not say anything. And I might simulate that for this purpose. And I'll tell you a story later about the dating game mishap, because it does happen where they sometimes will bring you in and confront you about things that didn't work out together, but more likely than not, they'll just send you something in writing. Yeah. Good. Good?

0:04:42 Lydia: Wow. No, I'm anxious right now. And we're, we're extremely married and both citizens. And I feel

0:04:46 Thomas: She's already stressed out yeah well not anymore I'm canadian eh speak for yourself

0:04:52 Matt: Yes. Yes. Yeah, suddenly your husband's really into hockey. And yeah, just some acting here.

0:04:52 Lydia: Like so much hangs on this moment yeah yeah exactly oh what a stretch there you go that's

0:05:04 Thomas: Speaking of I'm gonna go watch the playoffs while you guys do your interview

0:05:05 Matt: Yes. One other ground rule. You do have counsel for this interview. Matt Cameron is doing the

0:05:09 Lydia: A very canadian thing to do oh so you're gonna ask us the questions and also be counsel for us

0:05:09 Thomas: Of you yeah yeah I'm really playing the character although that wouldn't make any sense for me trying to be the immigrant but but they'll be really convinced I'm actually from canada or something I don't know we can well he's a different yeah we can we can tell him to go into mat mode I guess

0:05:23 Matt: Case for you. Yeah. I will interrupt myself occasionally. Yes. But if you have any questions

0:05:27 Lydia: Okay okay yeah I was gonna say activate yeah oh yeah I Was gonna say like like they're not

0:05:29 Thomas: Mat mode activate yeah because otherwise you plan on being a total asshole

0:05:34 Matt: For your attorney, you can always turn back. Yes, I'm going to be an immigration services officer, an ISO, an adjudicator. I adjudicate visas. And I'm gonna set the scene a little bit for what this is going to look like as we get into this improv here. Yeah, yes. Absolutely. No, no, no.

0:05:39 Thomas: What's the what's thing you are what do you call it okay okay yeah we'll take our break but uh But this is the kind of thing where you could either get like probably a great one or a terrible one, I'm guessing. Can you get somebody who's like an asshole and somebody, yeah, 98% of them probably.

0:06:01 Lydia: Not all assholes, I imagine. Okay.

0:06:03 Matt: No, I really, I've had some weird ones. And I'll tell you those, when we spot the issues a little bit more, I'll tell you some of the stranger ones. But usually they're very professional and they're together, you know, and even during this era, they're mostly holdovers. They're just trying to get to the truth.

0:06:17 Thomas: That's not like a very political thing. One. So there.

0:06:19 Matt: And it's getting more political, which is getting to be a problem. But yeah, yeah.

0:06:22 Thomas: All right. Well, this is going to be fun. We've got to take our first break. I think this will be a lot of fun. We'll see if it's fit for air. May never see the light of day.

0:06:30 Lydia: Thomas and I might end up in counseling afterwards. We'll see.

0:06:35 Thomas: All right, well, patreon.com/seriouspod. it support the show support our marriage you know support support me getting in from canada or or I guess maybe I'll take uh lydia over to canada you know well that's what we'll do uh it'll be a different kind of interview though and matt that's unfortunately a u.s immigration attorney so we can't really do that one but uh patreon.com/seriouspod next time you haven't played gavel pod and uh that's how we say it in canada and we'll take a quick break and be right back all right matt how do you want to start are you gonna give us some more uh ground rules

0:06:41 Lydia: True love. Yeah. Let's do that.

0:06:48 Matt: Let me tell you how this works and what your morning has already been like.

0:07:02 Lydia: Okay.

0:07:14 Thomas: Hmm the immigration one you do oh yeah they confiscated a hockey stick from me

0:07:17 Matt: Like. So you are, and again, much for the purposes of this, we're going to keep it as simple as possible. We're going stick to the facts of your actual life. So, you're going to be going to an interview in the Sacramento field office and you are going to be walking into the lobby. I've never been there, but I assume it's like every other field office in the federal building. Very good. Perfect. So. You'll have gone through the metal detectors.

0:07:28 Lydia: I know where that is. John Moss Federal Building. Yep.

0:07:38 Matt: You are starting to sweat a little bit. You probably need a drink of water. You're going to locate the bathrooms and you're gonna sit in the lobby for a while. You just carry it everywhere. I picked the one country that you don't have to do an accent for. It's pretty good.

0:07:44 Thomas: That was metal and somehow there was my skate there was a skate blade I have my spare skate blades in my back pocket I'm sorry sorry yeah can I get those back though when we're when we'RE DONE

0:07:54 Lydia: Sorry.

0:08:02 Matt: Yeah, careful. You're going to turn the audience on way too much, Thomas. This is just sexy stuff here. We can't be having it. This Is a Family Show. So you'll be sitting in the lobby and let's say your interview is scheduled for 10.15 as mine was this morning. There's a good chance in a busy place like Sacramento, you're gonna have to wait till 11 or 11.30. Youre just gonna wait until your turn comes up. The person interviewing you will have a bundle of folders that morning that they're getting through. And so, you know, maybe they'll have a couple of quick ones. Maybe one will take longer than they think. It's all the stuff you've submitted and then whatever background they have on you. And they might have a lot. That's what you think.

0:08:07 Thomas: Yeah yeah kind of priced in is it like folder full of stuff about us okay man I feel bad for them there's nothing about me that deserves a folder you know I just be like don't even maybe a sticky note you know like maybe you got my stats in there how many assists I have

0:08:42 Matt: Well, this version of Thomas has some issues, so we'll see.

0:08:45 Lydia: Wow. Look at us beating the odds. Yeah. I don't know if they're going to make it much longer,

0:08:47 Thomas: Have less game yeah somebody like judging your measures this is like a full two years max here

0:08:49 Matt: So the way it would work is you'll be called up together and the interviewer will take Lydia as the US citizen first. The US citizen usually gets more questions up front, and then they're just going to kind of confirm that the other person knows things. And again, as I said, you guys have a very easy marriage case. But in this case, you've been married for long enough, more than two years, that you would get a 10-year green card. So the officer is going to be extra careful because usually in the course of this, you'd have a probationary green card, you get two years if you're married for less than two years because a lot of marriages don't make it more than two years and they know that. So it's kind of built into the system. That's right. That may or may

0:09:27 Thomas: They get yeah no but does the immigration person do that or is it just the categories of like

0:09:29 Lydia: Actually. Okay. Bye, honey. Yes, I do. Thank you. We actually met online on OkCupid.

0:09:30 Matt: Not quietly assess that sometimes in the office. But I love working with couples. It's a lot of fun. No, yeah, no. They know that you're not going to be coming back for a second marriage interview the way that you would to remove your conditions. You're not getting a conditional card. You're getting a full lawful permanent resident card, which means after three years, you're going to be able to apply for citizenship. So this is a big day for you. This is the only interview you're going to have before you're a citizen, ostensibly. So that is the setup so far. I think now I can can call you both up, and I can take Lydia back to my office, and you can wait in the lobby. Good morning, Mrs. Smith. Please, nope, nope. Don't sit down. Please remain standing. Mrs.

0:09:40 Thomas: Either two or wow oh wow ah so you're ready for me eh you know the the game is still going if you

0:10:10 Matt: Smith, thank you. All right. Very good. Can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? And correct to the best of your knowledge. Very Good. You may have a seat. Counsel, can I see some ID, please. Counsel? Sorry, I just lost my wallet the other day. I don't have my bar card. You can look me up if you want on MassB.B.O., I guess. I just don't have my bar card with me. Sorry about that. Okay, counsel. I'll take your driver's license. I'm just going to assume that you're an attorney. You're almost dressed like one. Okay. All right. Mrs. Smith, how did you meet your husband? Which side? Very good. What was his username? Oh, I see. What was yours? Okay. What is his name? What is your name? Okay, all right. What was it about his profile that stood out to you? Very

0:10:49 Lydia: Back when it was just a website, not apps. I do not recall his username. I did not recall my username. It was a long time ago. It wasn't necessarily about his profile. It It was about the message that he sent me. It was really thoughtful and he took a lot of time to draw things that we had in common based off of my profile. So it was clear to me he spent time looking through the things that I was interested in and tried to help me see that we could be a good match based on the things he was interested In. Hockey was one of them.

0:11:24 Matt: Good. But what was one of those things? Okay? Atheism. I see, maybe we'll get back to that.

0:11:27 Lydia: We were both fans of the same hockey team, the San Jose Sharks. And theater was also another thing that we were both really passionate about. About and we're aligned with atheism and the skeptic community. We both really enjoy Sweeney

0:11:44 Matt: What's a show that you both like? Very

0:11:48 Lydia: Todd. Yes, we both do. Well, Sweeney Todd was one we actually did together. And prior to us

0:11:49 Matt: Very good. Either of you have any acting background? Excellent. What was one play that Thomas has been in? What was his role? Very good, all right. And where did Thomas go to college?

0:11:59 Lydia: Meeting, he did Into the Woods. He's done Into the Woods multiple times, but the time before we met, he was the wolf and Cinderella's prince. He went to University of the Pacific. Let's see, I was,

0:12:12 Matt: All right. How old were you both when you met? All right, very good. So after you got this very

0:12:17 Lydia: I think I was 23 and he would have been 25 then at the time. We did. He came to see me because we were living far apart at the time. I was living in San Jose and he was living in Stockton. He had just graduated from college a couple years before and so he was working full-time out there as an accountant. Yes, I was. I just knew that he wasn't a citizen of the United States, but that's basically it. No, not

0:12:26 Matt: Thoughtful message, did you meet up? Where were you living? Mm-hmm. All right and what was he doing in Stockton? Okay, now were you aware of your husband's immigration status when you met him? What did you know about it? Did you know what class of visa he was on, what his duration was, anything like that? That's all right, at some point did Thomas reveal to you you that he was out of status. And how far into the relationship was that? Okay. And how long between that message and when he came to see you? And then after that time when he became up, when did you see him again? How far driving were you apart? And when would

0:13:02 Lydia: Not really. Yes. He told me pretty early on while we were together. And yeah, it was just, you know, very general terms, but nothing specific. I think it was about, gosh, a week, two weeks. It was another week or so after that, another week, or two weeks in between.

0:13:34 Lydia: At the time, it Was probably close to an hour and a half. It's a great question. I would say it was like New Year's Eve. So it was about a month and a half, seven weeks, something like that after we first met. 2011. Yes. Yes, we did. It was probably March 2012 was when we started

0:13:41 Matt: You say that you became a couple that you decided that you were getting together? Which year? Okay, so New Year's Eve going into 2012. And at some point, did you start talking about living closer to one another or living together? When was that and what were you doing for

0:14:12 Lydia: Talking about it. Because we were living so far apart, we were both having to drive quite a bit to spend time together and just made more sense to move in. I had a couple different freelance sort of things. I was tutoring. I was in grad school at the time, so I was working a lab, a statistics lab down there. Just a couple things like that. I did my master's in experimental psychology. Social psychology was sort of my main field of focus and particularly interpersonal relationships. In Stockton. Yes. No.

0:14:22 Matt: Work at that time? What was your program? Very good. What was your interest in experimental psychology? Where did you live together first? What city? Okay, so you went to join him? Great. Was he living with anyone at the time? And have you lived together with no interruption since then? Great, since 2012, that's your testimony. Okay, and it was mid-2012? Okay. And you said around

0:14:56 Lydia: Correct. Yes, yes. Early 2012, I think April was when I moved in. Yes yes

0:15:11 Matt: March you realized it made sense to start thinking about that, so easy enough. So your life was mobile enough that you could pick up and move?

0:15:16 Lydia: Yes. Yes, I was.

0:15:17 Matt: Great. Okay. And you were aware that he'd previously been married. And do you know when that divorce became final?

0:15:22 Lydia: It didn't become final until we were just about to be married.

0:15:25 Matt: Counsel, I think we might have a problem here. I'm looking at the divorce dates, and it seems like they got married to me during the Nisi period. Oh, thank you for reminding me. Hold on. Let me get that. We actually had to go. This was actually a real pain. We had to get back to the court in Canada to get it amended. So that was actually clerk's error. Sorry about that. It was the wrong month. It was actually three weeks before. And I can see the confusion there, but we did get that amended. Here's a certified copy, as well as the motion that we filed to amend that. The court has sworn off on this now. So we're good on the dates. Well, thank you, counsel. All right. Well we'll put that into the record. That really could have been a problem. Glad we cleared that up. So you got married soon after his divorce, is that right? You said three weeks? Okay. And why so soon? And what

0:16:13 Lydia: We had just been together for a while and knew this was it. And so just kind of made the plans knowing that it was going to happen soon. And yeah, April 19th, 2015.

0:16:26 Matt: What was the date of your marriage? 2015. Very good. All right. And does he have family in the area? Okay. Have you met everybody? Would you be able to name his extended cousins? All right?

0:16:28 Lydia: Yes, he does. Yes. I haven't met cousins. There's not necessarily a lot of closeness with extended family. Yes.

0:16:47 Matt: Have you made both of his parents? Has he met your parents? Great. When was the last time he saw your parents. Very Good. What'd you do? Great? And did he get anything special? Good times. All

0:16:50 Lydia: Yes. He last saw my parents on Saturday. We had a birthday party for our middle child. Plenty of stuff, lots of things, Legos and toys and books. And yeah, great question. I didn't really eat dinner. We had an afternoon meal. I had crab cakes and he had a cheese board. No. Yes. To my knowledge, he has not. No, he does not.

0:17:09 Matt: Right. Okay. And what did you have for dinner last night? Okay, a cheese board. Awesome. Okay, Okay. Very good. And has your husband ever been arrested anywhere in the world? Are you sure about that? He's never been arrested or charged with a crime anywhere in the world, to your knowledge. Okay. I'm going to put you down for a no. All right. Maybe we'll revisit that. Does your husband have any tattoos? All right, do you have any tattoo? Okay. And, has anyone else besides you and your children

0:17:47 Lydia: No, I do not. Can I ask my counsel a clarifying question? What would count as like living in the home? Like how long would that be? Okay, okay. Okay, then no. Yes, we do.

0:17:52 Matt: Ever lived in your home? Yes. I think maybe establishing domicile in the home, I think you could say. Maybe say more than six months. Okay, very good. And do you have any pets? All right. Can you describe them? All

0:18:10 Lydia: Sure. We have a dog, a golden doodle. And then we have right now we have three cats. And that's it. It's a love hate relationship. These days. He loves and hates them. Because they're all starting to get older and not always using the litter box. And yeah, he does. We own.

0:18:20 Matt: Right. What is Thomas's relationship with the cats? Which side? Ah, that does happen. Yeah. Very good. All right, let's back up here. So I see that you have a joint bank account. Who handles your finances for the most part? All right. Do you own a rent? How long? All right. And how many addresses have you shared together in your relationship? Okay. Very good. And I'm just going to make, I'm going to step out of character for a second, make a note that we usually would talk a lot about your kids. I don't want to dox your kids, we're not going to get into details about your children. We're going to assume that you have children and they're real. All right. Same with things like and just just stepping into character just to explain this. I usually we'd go through address history, we would go through, you know, your social security number and things like that, that we don't want to put on air. So not trying to doxx anybody. Yeah, doing my best. I almost did. I was like going

0:18:50 Lydia: We've been homeowners since 2015, so 10 years. Five, I believe. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. Yes. Yeah. Thanks, Matt.

0:19:29 Matt: Straight into interview mode. This is so natural. Just it's a lot of fun, actually. Okay, back to it. Take any trips recently? Where was that? Oh, very good. And what were you doing there?

0:19:36 Lydia: What is time? Relatively recently, I guess, yes. Yes. In the fall, we went to England and Scotland. We went for work for a little bit over in

0:19:49 Matt: Did you see any particular unusual sites? Sure. Okay, great. We mentioned work. I see here on

0:19:52 Lydia: Manchester. And then we spent a couple days in Scotland visiting my best friend. We did Holyrood Park over in Scotland. And it's kind of a couple of the other, you know, like main things like St. Giles Cathedral around Edinburgh. We were showing a friend around. Yes.

0:20:13 Matt: Your employment history that you're the producer of a podcast called Woke Where's Woke. I think that's fantastic. You're exposing wokeness on campus, I assume, in an indirect way. Tell me more. Explain why they're real, right? I mean, I presume because everyone knows that wokenness is completely overtaking our schools right now, don't you? I'm sorry. Yeah, I do have to jump in here. I don't know why this is relevant, and I don t think we should be getting into political opinion in this interview. Well, counsel, I'm going to be asking him about the podcast too. I think it's only fair that we make sure we understand it. You can see my problem here, can't you? Well, certainly. We're just going to ask a few more questions. I'm sorry, we really don't think we can keep going down the political road. I just don't think that's a good idea. All right, moving on. I see here also that you produce a podcast called Opening Arguments. Tell me about that, into legal topics. It sounds like the kind of thing where

0:20:17 Lydia: Um, in an indirect way, yes. Well, we look at potential stories of woke controversies on campus and we go through them and research. Counsel, do I need to answer this? Yes, that's a podcast that is focused on covering stories in the law, either current events or historical ones, deep dives into legal topics, things of that nature. Yes, he is.

0:21:25 Matt: You'd need some sort of co-host. I assume he must be extremely brilliant and charming. Okay. All right. Well, that seems to go without saying. Maybe we'll get into that as well. So that, of course, employment is important, Mrs. Smith. We do have to discuss because it

0:21:36 Lydia: Important topic for immigration discussion. I have been for a couple years. Yes. Let's see.

0:21:44 Matt: Appears to me that you've been self-employed for some time. Very good. When did you start Where There's Woke? Okay. At some point. You can't tell me a date? All right, very good. And do you

0:21:50 Lydia: We started that in 2022, 2023 at some point along those lines. Yeah. Either between those those years. No, it was I'm pretty sure it was 2022 because we hadn't had our third kid yet. Yeah, Yeah, and I was still working with the state of California at the time. Yes, we do.

0:22:16 Matt: You have any future plans to travel anytime soon? Where are you going? Okay, very good. Any unusual

0:22:20 Lydia: We are going to Madison, Wisconsin to celebrate my sister's graduation from her doctorate program. No.

0:22:29 Matt: Mental or physical health problems in the family? Okay. Very good. Well, I think that's all that I need from you right now, Mrs. Smith. I can excuse you. I'm just going to bring your husband in now.

0:22:51 Matt: Before we get started. Oh, I understand. But I'm going to just give you a moment with your

0:22:53 Thomas: Is there anything more you could talk to her about I'm trying to finish the playoffs here okay oh

0:23:01 Matt: Attorney here. He's going to remind you of some secret facts. Okay, Thomas, just want to remind you, of course, that you have been arrested three times for vandalism. That's a pretty important detail you don't want to forget. Yeah, those were all three in Canada, in your hometown in Quebec.

0:23:03 Thomas: Oh, okay. That's probably good. Sure. What? Oh, wow. And is that in Canada or in the U.S.? Oh, okay.

0:23:17 Matt: Also, as you're aware, your ex is a wanted Quebecois terrorist, your ex-wife. So yeah, that may come up. And of course, you did divorce just before in this scenario. Of course, I know that this is your first marriage for both of you, but in this scenario you divorced just about three weeks before you married Lydia. These are our secret facts. All right. I'm counting on your memory on this one. Otherwise, you are you and the facts

0:23:22 Thomas: What? Oh, geez. Okay. This is getting crazy.

0:23:30 Thomas: Oh, wow. Okay. Wow. I'm going to throw this work on the side. Sorry, I'm just making sure I got all my, I wouldn't be a good spy. I really wouldn't. I'd just be like, I don't know anything. I forget all things I'm supposed to. I forget real things and the fake things I'm sorry not fake things because I'm not a spy why did you say that oh geez uh okay do your worst eh yeah what oh wow really oh right yeah sure

0:24:01 Matt: Are the facts, but we're just going to be you as a Canadian. Mr. Smith, welcome in. Don't sit down, do not sit down. Thank you. Please remain standing. Raise your right hand, please. Thank you. Do you swear or affirm that the following testimony will be the truth, all the truth and nothing but the truth, to the best of your knowledge. Yes. Okay. You may be seated. Thank you. Counsel, I've already got your ID. Thank you. Very good. I see you have some updated documents. I'll take those. So I'm just reviewing here. I see a joint bank account. I see other financial documents. Your latest tax return. Thank You. Looks good. All right. Mr. Smith, what is your favorite Nickelback album? I'm sorry. You think that's funny? Is that a funny question to you? I'm Sorry. I can't have understood that correctly. You're a Canadian who does not like Nickelback?

0:24:16 Thomas: All right I can't do bits otherwise I would probably I'm sure that would get me thrown out so I'll be uh yes I do I do uh oh yeah sorry in canada we don't like them we thought apologies for laughing with that. We think they're silly. Yeah. Yeah, it's sort of a sort of a joke where I'm from. Sorry about that. I couldn't couldn't name one. No, no, I

0:25:01 Matt: Oh, you could not name a single Nickelback. Okay, I'm just going to be taking some notes here. Give me a moment. Cannot name a single. Okay. The correct answer, by the way, is Dark Horse from 2008. So you might want to check that out.

0:25:15 Thomas: Will. Thank you. I want to say Chad something. Yes, I'll play a little hockey, right

0:25:15 Matt: I was just on the Nickelback cruise this summer with my wife, and it was a fantastic time. Can you even name a simple member of Nickelback? Wow. Okay. Chad and Mike Kroeger. They're two brothers. All right. Okay. All right? All right. Well, you might be kind of Canadian at least. What position do you play? All right, okay. Well I myself am a devoted fan of the Las Vegas Knights, really the best team I think in

0:25:35 Thomas: Now. If you want to go have a go, center. I play a little. I have several teams. Play center on one team and play D on another team. I love it. Love hockey. Not

0:25:49 Matt: The country. Do you have an opinion about them? You're not taking that down, not a big fan of

0:25:52 Thomas: Not a big fan, not a big fan of the Knights. No, well, I'm supposed to be truthful here, right? I mean, yeah, no, don't, don't really like them, and I feel like you'd be able to find pretty easily that I don't like that team, so I don' t want to lie, you know, I' m the honest guy, don' T like the Knights, don'T like Nickelback.

0:25:57 Matt: Las Vegas Knights. Yes, please. You're under oath. Do not forget you're under us. Okay, good start.

0:26:11 Matt: I mean, not great for my purposes, but good start I can't say this may not be used against you, Mr. Smith, but as we go. So how did you meet your wife? Okay. About when? All right. Do

0:26:21 Thomas: On OKCupid, about 2011, I think, yeah definitely fall, so it was around November, well Well, actually, are you asking when we actually met or when we first talked on OkCupid? I think that's November, pretty sure. Oh, everything.

0:26:31 Matt: You have a time, a month maybe? Time of year? All Right. When you connected? Yep. Okay. And was there anything about her profile that drew you to? Oh, everything. Wow. Okay, so do you remember the first message you sent her? Anything that you can recall that was in the message particularly? Sure. Nice. That sounds like marketable advice. All right, where were you

0:26:50 Thomas: Everything about it was great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I remember that pretty well.

0:27:03 Thomas: Sure. Her profile had asked about music. She was kind of doing the whole like, you know, well, looking for friends and maybe if you hit it off, then more kind of thing. Which, you know, I think when you're online dating as a woman, you probably get tired of all the, all the shitty men. So she, so she's looking for friends. I was like, okay, we'll do, we're going to do that. We'll do friend thing. So I gave her some, some music suggestions that I like, cause if she asked for it in her profile and mainly the way she tells it, I mean, the fact that I read her bio and responded to it was really what did it. Now, obviously it's been a lot of years now, but, uh, I think that was the main thing is responding to what she actually put in her bio, which is a dating tip. I don't know if you're single. If you're ever online dating, just read their thing. Maybe that doesn't apply anymore. It's a different era now, but back then you read their bio and actually respond to it. That puts you in a whole new echelon of men. I was living in Stockton and she was living in San Jose. I think San Jose

0:28:02 Matt: You living and where was she living at the time? How far is that drive? Okay. And how soon after

0:28:09 Thomas: Might be like Campbell or something, which was right near there. One or the other. I'd say 80 minutes, I'd say. Oh boy, that's tough to remember. Let's see. So we hear some messages.

0:28:23 Matt: The message exchange did you meet up? One to three weeks is your final answer. Okay. All right.

0:28:31 Thomas: Gosh, I could not tell you that. I would say it's a matter of, it's wouldn't be months. It's definitely like, it could have been as soon as like a week, but I would say somewhere in the week to a month range, not quite a month. One to two, three week range, something like that. I think so, yeah. I can't. It's been a long time.

0:28:53 Matt: That's fine. And what was Lydia doing at the time? Never having met before.

0:28:54 Thomas: She was getting her master's degree, and she was also acting in some play at the time. She was in How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying, which was what I came down. I did theater myself as well, and so that was kind of the connection to come down and visit. It was very silly because I had a friend who was going to go with me, but then he couldn't last minute. It. Like he, he was in a, he wasn't like a bad marriage at the time. And his wife like, didn't want him to go or something weird. I don't know. Somehow he had to be bailed. And then I had this decision to make of like, am I going to just go like by myself? That's pretty psycho. Like if, you know, you're meeting someone online and you're like, sure, I'll drive 80 miles to go see your show or whatever. Exactly. And so I almost didn't, I was really close to not doing my whole life would be different, but I was really close, but I was like, I'll just go. I'll just go it'll be maybe it'll be weird, but I'll see it. So I went and saw her and how to succeed in business.

0:29:52 Matt: So are you saying the first time you saw your wife was on stage? Wow. Okay, that's a good story

0:29:53 Thomas: Yeah, she wasn't a lead role. So it took me a second to find her. She was in the backing part, but I think I figured it out and then was like I like her. She's good. So she was a kind of extras type things. I don't think she had a named character. She was one. She had one where there's a thing that's like, what a dress, there's a whole scene where, I haven't been in that show myself, there's a whole scene where like every girl is wearing this, I think it's like all the girls are wearing the same dress, but then the punch line is like, I think like the main character nobody notices, but then Lydia's character had just massive cleavage and then that way every man was like, wow, what a dress, even though all the girls wearing the same dress. I think that's the bit. If I, I remember, this is, I have seen this once and it was, now what the year is it, are we current times, this was 15 years ago or so, that's my memory. So she was that, uh, and also I remember a song about

0:30:01 Matt: To figure out. Do you remember which character she was? Sure. Smaller part. Very good. Yeah sure sure clearly made an impression how old was she at the time all right all right okay uh

0:30:52 Thomas: Coffee or something and she was really really getting into the fact that everybody at the workplace needed coffee to get through the day sort of thing that's what I remember and she was really committed she's committed, she's a committed actress oh yeah yeah I could tell that she took it seriously, which I do appreciate. Oh, God. All right. Hold on. Math. How old was I at the time? That's a good question, too. And I still don't remember ever if it was 2011 or 2012. I think it must have been 2011. And then because it was November, December, it went into 2012. That must be it, I hope. Because I don't think it could have been 12 to 13. There's no way. Yeah, I think it was 11-12. So then that would mean I was 25. We'll say if it was going into 12, then yeah, I was 25. And she, that makes her like 23, I guess, depending on how the months work out there.

0:31:46 Matt: You'd previously been in school you'd come to the u.s to go to school is that right where'd you go to school where'd go to for what okay sure yes interesting I see here that you are the producer

0:31:50 Thomas: Yeah. Sorry, what was the question? Oh, University of the Pacific. Ah, for business with a focus in accounting. I went the practical route, wanted to make sure I could, you know, get a job after. So I, uh, I do any of these DEI, you know, what, should I appeal to the Trump administration? I don't know. Okay. I didn't do any of these woke. I didn't go there to get some woke degree and then, you know, whatever. I just, you know, yeah, I did theater, but I did for the chicks, you Know, there's a lot of hotties there. Yeah, that's, that'S where, okay, so I don't want to do that. Yeah, I don'T know what, how part, how much we're doing fictional, how much we're Doing real. So, I feel like that would be a bad idea. So I got to stick to, so, I got to stick to like, I'm me and I'm woke. Okay, okay. I'm you. Oh,

0:32:21 Matt: And co-host of a show called where there's woke I assume no let's stick to yes no yeah you're me me. You're you. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, no, not me. I'm still there. I am too. Sure. Of course. Yes,

0:32:40 Thomas: Oh, I'm Matt. Hi. Oh, uh, yeah. All right. So I scratched up redo. And fortunately you get a free redo in these things. I think they're pretty chill about that. Hey, I was just lying about everything I said. Give me a free redo. Oh sure. No problem. Uh, so yeah, I, I uh, my parents were very practical and uh, you know, universities are so expensive, so I want to make sure I was getting a degree that I could do something with. So as in a business and a specialized in accounting, I like math. I'm a math guy. Love it. Love numbers. That's true. It's true fact. Oh, that's interesting. Well, I think specifically in a parking garage after a date, we had a conversation about being exclusive at that time.

0:32:48 Matt: All right. Taking the mulligan. All right. And when would you say that you and your wife became a couple? When did you decide to have that conversation? And when was that? All right,

0:33:24 Thomas: I didn't really understand her situation because it was she was really busy. I tell the story the way I tend to tell it is I thought she was not into me because she was like just not really responsive, you know. So I was like, oh, I guess it's not really going to work out, you know, because I guess, you know, it happens like you see someone and they don't really follow up and you think, yeah, I just guess they weren't interested kind of thing. And then she told me, oh. I'm so busy. I'm doing this. I'm going to do this. I was, like, yeah, all right. I figured she was just not into me and kind of, you know, letting me down easy kind of thing. And then it turned one day she just called after a rehearsal of hers and she just called and started talking to me like as a friend, like we just or just, you you know, like telling me everything about her day and her rehearsal. And I was like, oh, okay, this is interesting that she's just kind of talking to me that way for some reason. Because again, I really wasn't sure we hadn't spoken that much because we met online kind of thing. So I didn't have a good sense for who she was exactly. So that was interesting. Then it felt like, okay maybe she is interested. And so I believe we did another date. I don't know if I'll have the ordering right, but I think we did Another Date after that. And after the date, which might have been the movie I think we saw a movie then we were chatting in the parking garage and and I think she asked if we were exclusive and I think I said well I'm not seeing anybody else but I I still wasn't even sure what her deal was because I think I think she was kind of dating around at that time uh and so I think then is when it would have been because I think if I remember right that was kind of her way of saying we're we're being exclusive now and me agreeing but but I might be off by one date. Oh, well, that was pretty quick. So that would have been, gosh, that's probably, I guess I would say December, 2011.

0:35:15 Matt: And obviously, you told me you're 90 minutes, maybe 90 minutes apart, so did you start talking about getting closer? All right. Moved in with you. Okay. Very good. What was her thesis?

0:35:18 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah, so she would come up and visit. I went down a couple times and then I think she would have moved in by, man, I got to say March, 2012 probably is when she moved in because we just got tired of the drive and just wanted to be together. So, and then, yeah, moved in with me in Stockton. She still, I think she still had to go down for, I guess it would have been for school still, or no, let's see, she was writing her thesis. Gosh, I don't remember her going to, she must have been at that phase where you're kind of done with the classes and you're just doing other stuff to finish your degree. But it was about friends with benefits relationships. She's in psychology, experimental psychology, and she did a paper on how those relationships tend to go, which was another thing which was funny. So that was like, OK, I don't know if that's her thing. And that was another another reason for uncertainty in the relationship.

0:36:21 Matt: That's interesting. What is her particular interest in psychology?

0:36:21 Thomas: I was like is this a friends with benefit thing. But no, that was just what she was studying. I think she's just interested in how people's brains work.

0:36:29 Matt: And you said you both had acting experience, backgrounds?

0:36:33 Thomas: And, you know, she's really, really had a fascination with that kind of thing. Oh, yeah. I'd done a little bit of theater. I did theater in college and I really liked it. And then when she moved up, we wanted to both audition for Sweeney Todd in Stockton. Might have been a reason she moved. I don't know. It might that could have been part.

0:36:51 Matt: And what show were you in before you met, most recently before you

0:36:54 Thomas: It might have been that happened after she had moved in and then we auditioned and we we both got roles in that and did it together. It was fun. What show was I in? Oh, boy.

0:37:05 Matt: Met? Mm-hm. Oh, I don't know anything about it, fortunately. And were you

0:37:08 Thomas: Boy uh man I don't have a good memory I probably did Assassins in Sacramento parenthetical we don't want to talk about the politics of that one okay yeah good yeah I was in Into the Woods

0:37:22 Matt: In Into the Woods at some point? All right. Okay, and what else was Lydia doing for work when you met her?

0:37:26 Thomas: Man I'm just forgetting the ordering if that was before or after that yeah okay maybe maybe that yeah maybe I'm switching them so I was in into the woods in Murphys, California summer I did into the woods and Merry Wives of Windsor. The Merry Wives was first and then the woods was second. And maybe that was, well, I don't have a good memory for that kind of thing I think maybe, maybe that was after, and the Assassins was like before that um but so that might have been the one that I was in before like most recently before meeting lydia she when I met her she was tutoring that's right yeah she was tutoring I think probably older age kid I don't think it was a tutoring company. Yes. Never apart. We're extremely married. Some people say oh okay I just meant

0:37:56 Matt: Mm-hmm. All right. Very good. So have you lived continuously together since the time that she moved in with you in Stockton? Okay. Never apart. Okay. Very good. And you had at that point been married? Yeah. Well, that's up to me, sir, to determine. Yeah. But thank you. Thanks for your input. It's kind of a strange thing to say.

0:38:26 Thomas: Casually speaking you know like people say like boy they are extremely married those two yeah I don't know I say weird things I'm canadian yep yep, you know, you know how it goes sometimes. It

0:38:35 Matt: I'm just flipping through my notes. I have extensive notes, of course, from from the previous interview. So you were married previously in Canada, it looks like somewhat briefly. Okay. All right. And are you familiar with your ex-wife's criminal record? Okay. I see.

0:38:48 Thomas: Doesn't work out uh no I don't I didn't once we broke up I just didn't really yeah you know it didn't it didn't work out not a, not a huge fan didn't really keep up with that one uh kind of I mean I've seen it here and there in the news or something I don't know oh wow oh uh

0:39:07 Matt: Maybe we'll come back to that. Are you familiar avec la Fond de Libération du Québec? You're aware that they are considered to be a terrorist organization, a violent separatist group trying to liberate Quebec. Vaguely aware? Hmm. Interesting. Okay, vaguely aware. I'm writing

0:39:24 Thomas: I'm vaguely aware of that as a canadian yeah as a Canadian I'm just kind of yeah I'm not, I'm not like part of it or anything. Lydia's parents oh uh just uh let's see the other day they just

0:39:35 Matt: That down. Okay. Very good. When was the last time you saw Lydia's parents? So you've spent

0:39:45 Thomas: Came up for our son's birthday uh so they were just they were just here they moved up to be near us. They did live in San Jose for quite a while back where lydia lived until just uh just this past year they moved up so it's been nice oh yeah yeah yeah holidays um you know that kind of thing uh well my dad's dead. She, well, she did meet my dad before he died. I guess yeah she met him a few times uh my mom, I don't, I don't see my family all that much but yeah she knows my brother decently well because my brother's somewhat nearby, and uh, you know, we see them from time to time but like we used to see them for holidays so she used to be closer with my family I guess a little bit because of that but then once the family's got you know their own separate families going then it's like we don't really we're all doing holidays kind of separate so we don'T really see each other that much anymore

0:39:57 Matt: A fair amount of time with them? Yeah. Holidays. And she's met your people, your parents? Sure.

0:40:32 Matt: But if I were to show her a picture of your extended family at some sort of gathering,

0:40:34 Thomas: Uh of my extended family uh I don'T have much extended family so she did meet my uncle she met

0:40:38 Matt: Maybe 10 or 15 years ago, she could name uncles and cousins and extended family. Okay. Fair enough. Sure. Fair Enough. How would you identify your relationship with your cats?

0:40:50 Thomas: I met my uncle, Sam, who just passed away, unfortunately, but I think she would be able to identify him. I don't think she ever met my other uncle because I'm just not close with him and I never see him. I can't even tell you the last time I saw him. So I don'T know that she'd be able TO do that, but she would BE able to, of course, identify my immediate family and everything.

0:41:13 Matt: Hmm. Writing down loves cats. All right. Very good. Okay. And when is the most recent trip

0:41:13 Thomas: My cats. Oh, I love my cats. You know, less so because the kids, you know, kids are all the focus these days. But, uh, the cats, you know, they're rough and they do cause a lot of problems with the house, but, you Know, fundamentally I still love them as people, but they are, they are tough. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, trip.

0:41:34 Matt: You took with Lydia? Leaving California, let's say. A trip is not. When was that? Okay. All

0:41:36 Thomas: Sorry. What would, uh, qualify leaving California? Oh God. I was trying to buy some more time while I remember, uh... Leaving California. Jesus Christ. My brain is ruined. Is a trip a podcast? I don't know. I can't, I can't remember anything. I would say no. Well, it might've been though. Cause I think the last thing we did leaving California. So we did go to San Francisco. That's of course in California famously. So not that, that would be the last like trip. Cause we did, you know, road trip kind of thing. Um, but actual leaving California probably would have been going to New Jersey for work thing in, oh boy. Um. That would have, man, in the summer I'll say, can I say summer or something like that? Oh, it might've been in May. It might've been in may this year. Maybe. Yeah. Or sorry, not this literally this year, but you know, last year. Yeah. No. Oh, sorry.

0:42:20 Matt: Right. All Right. May this year. No significant trips between. Sure. Right. Previous. Okay, no other significant trips. Oh, no, I had asked you the last one. That's right.

0:42:32 Thomas: I didn't say no other. You just asked me the last one.

0:42:36 Matt: Right. Very good. All right. When was the last time you left the country? Okay. All

0:42:40 Thomas: Um, that would have been, was that this year? Oh, QED. We did QED, uh, it was a work conference thing in Manchester in the summer. Was that before or after? Yeah. Would I, that, so that would have been, I think more like August, I want to say. Do they, I got a question. Do they let you look look at your calendar. Okay. So then I'm dead. Yeah. I have no, I've no chance. If I'm not allowed to look at my calendar, I keep everything in my calendar. I don't remember anything. So that's the best of my recollection. Pretty bad. I describe it as quite bad. Uh, I suppose ADHD is probably a medical reason for that. Yeah, I think that's part of it, but uh, overwork and being a parent to three kids, you might know how it is or not. I don't know you. Okay, yes, I could. Yeah

0:42:56 Matt: Right. UK. And any notable sites? Yeah. No. Yeah. Hmm. How would you describe your memory?

0:43:13 Matt: All right? Do you have any medical reason for that? Okay, I do not. If I asked for it, though, you could provide medical proof that you have ADHD, if I requested it. Okay, very good. And I see here that you were separated for some time from your ex before you're divorced. What was going on there? Sure. Sure. You came here for school and that kind of, that was, yeah. Okay.

0:43:35 Thomas: Yeah. Oh, we just did not, not compatible. You know, it was one of those, like, it was one of those flames thing, you know, like lots of passion, no connection kind of thing, and so it flamed out. It was fun. We were young, but then it flamed out. We just didn't really, the separation was more just, we didn't do, you know, just like, I don't want to say laziness, but we didn't prioritize like doing any, we just weren't together kind of thing. Didn't prioritize like dissolving the marriage or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We just kind of lost track of each other. Sure. Yeah. I mean, when, when you again with the ADHD, when you need to, you know

0:44:11 Matt: I got it. And it appears from, I've worked this out with counsel. I thought there was an issue with the divorce in easy period, but it does look like the divorce was final three weeks before. So fair to say that you got divorced so that you could marry your wife. Ah, understood. And did

0:44:28 Thomas: Actually make something happen, it was like oh shoot, need to do that paperwork kind of thing, uh, you know, so it was, it was get that, get that done. But no, we hadn't, we hadn't had any contact for a long time before that. So she, she was aware that I'm not a citizen, but, but she, yeah, she didn't

0:44:39 Matt: Your, was your wife aware when she met you that you were not a US citizen? All right. Was she aware that you had overstayed your visa? And who first brought up marriage? Yeah. As a serious

0:44:46 Thomas: Really know much about any of that stuff. No, I don't think she really ever got into that. She didn't really ask me about that kind of thing. Uh, brought up marriage. I don't think I could answer that. I have no idea. Brought it up. I mean, I proposed. I think, uh, I don't know.

0:45:08 Matt: Prospect. Was there a proposal? Okay. And when was that? All right. Very good. And what did you have

0:45:11 Thomas: I think it was just kind of probably understood or, yeah, I, I don't think I could answer that, I'm not sure. Yeah, I proposed after a, after a show. That would have been in 2014, 14, I hope. Oh man. I got to warp my mind into the now times. I was trying to try to be in the

0:45:30 Matt: For dinner last night? That's the point. Sure. Cheese board. I'm putting down cheese board.

0:45:37 Thomas: Past here last night. Didn't really have a dinner. We had, we went out for our anniversary and had a, I had a cheese board and then it was kind of full from that. So I also had some, uh, some bubbly, some champagne tends to fill up the stomach and I ended up just eating not really a dinner after that so it's kind of no dinner yeah put down put down cheese board it was good put down that it was a good one okay let me think can I count on my am I allowed to count on

0:46:00 Matt: Okay. You got it. All right, and how many addresses would you say that you've shared with your spouse over the course of the relationship? You may use your hands, yes.

0:46:09 Thomas: My hands. Okay, good, just want to be clear. So, one, two, three, four, five. Oh man, this one always gets

0:46:18 Matt: Fine. Very good. Okay. Owner rent? All right. And how long? Four years. Interesting. Okay,

0:46:26 Thomas: Me, I can't, it was during COVID times, you know, the weird, there's a weird time. I believe it was, was four years plus, four years plus a little bit? Yeah, because of 21-22. What year is it now?

0:46:36 Matt: Putting that down. Would you be surprised to learn that your wife gave me a significantly

0:46:40 Thomas: If it's 21- 22, I believe. 21- 22 or 22-23? No, it had to be 21- 22. So I think we moved in October 21? Okay, I might be off by a year. It was October of 21 or 22. So that would be whatever that is. Yes, that would be very simple. Did I answer the wrong question? What was the... this home? The current one. I would be very surprised if she gave it a different date. Yes. Was it a part of the facts I was supposed to know or something? Oh, nope, nope. I would, that would very much surprise me.

0:47:00 Matt: Different date as to when you purchased your home. Yes. That you live in. All right. Moving on. I don't have to tell you now. These are your facts. I'm just working through your life, sir. All right. So just a few more things. We're nearly done with the marriage visa portion. We'll move on to the residency portion in just a moment. Do you have any tattoos? Does your wife have any tattoos? Would it surprise you to learn that your wife has been arrested? She's never mentioned at all that she's ever been arrested. I am putting you down for a no, that you're not aware that your wife has been previously arrested. Okay. We always get surprises in in these interviews. All right. Very good. All right. And just wrapping up here, you've been self-employed for some time. Is that correct? All right. All Right. And I see here that you are co-producing a podcast called Opening Arguments. Can you tell me a little bit about that? How

0:47:32 Thomas: I'd be incredibly surprised. She has not mentioned, unless I need to check my notes here. Uh, I wasn't, citizen? No, I am. Wow. I, that's, I can't, I cannot wait to ask her about it. That's bound to be an interesting story. I bet. Yep. Mm-hmm. It's a law show, law and politics, breaking down legal topics in the news since 2016. Sure. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

0:48:13 Matt: Long have you been doing that? All right, and I assume since you're not a lawyer, you must have some sort of extremely talented co-host. No question, devilishly handsome as well, I would imagine, although it's not necessary. Okay, just want to be sure to establish that. You're under oath. So, okay. All right. I assume that a podcast on since 2016 probably has a long and convoluted history that there's no reason to talk about here. Very good. All Right. So we have finished the marriage visa portion and I'm going to call Lydia back in so that we can quickly do the residency portion. You guys are what we call in the business, extremely married.

0:48:28 Thomas: I can give you his number if you want. Yeah. All right, folks. Well, we're pausing it there.

0:48:56 Thomas: This was so much fun. I am so glad that Matt had this idea. It was a lot of fun. We're next going to do a bit of an interview together. I mean, it's mainly me as the immigrant, but we're going to do a bit together. And then after that, we're gonna do some debriefing. And Matt's going to talk about a bunch more stuff that wasn't at issue for our case. But we've got a lot to talk about. So much, much fun, really loved it. Uh, so yeah, sorry that we were a little bit delayed in our, in our, we kind of wanted to pivot because of the, uh, as I explained, the sandwich trial transcript part that we were on was a bit of a dud, and then Matt had this idea, and then, you know, then it took off and we recorded a bunch and so, uh, we did get off our schedule but we are going to be back on, because we're releasing this of course and then right away you can get the next one, we'll have it up right away for you, and that's patrons and non-patrons, because we owe you, we were, we were

0:49:40 Lydia: Yeah, it was perfect timing, yeah. Dang.

0:49:55 Thomas: Behind. Yeah, so this was so much fun, it's, uh, it even gets more fun and funny, and I, I can't wait

0:49:56 Lydia: Dang. Will we stay extremely married?

0:50:03 Thomas: For y'all to hear it. Sorry, not fake things, because I'm not a spy. Why did you say that? It is a trip, a podcast

0:50:06 Lydia: Tune in.