WTW125: We Conclude Our Trafficking Series With... The Funniest Local News Segment Ever

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0:00:03 Clip: What's so scary about the woke mob? How often you just don't see them coming. Anywhere you see diversity, equity, and inclusion, you see Marxism and you see woke principles being pushed. Wokeness is a virus more dangerous than any pandemic hands down. The woke monster is here and it's coming for everything.

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0:00:42 Thomas: Hello and welcome to Where There's Woke. This is episode 125. That's a nice round number. I'm Thomas. That over there is Lydia. How you doing?

0:00:49 Lydia: I'm feeling good. I also like numbers that are divisible by five. I think that's good. We're in a good place, you guys.

0:00:52 Thomas: Yeah, I think that's good. More numbers should aspire to be divisible by five. Hey, seven, what are you doing in your life?

0:01:02 Lydia: But we know we're going to be in a good episode because it's divisible by five, I think. That's pretty clear.

0:01:06 Thomas: Well, and 25. Like, I feel like 25 is a cool interval, you know? There's a lot into it. Yep, that's true.

0:01:08 Lydia: Mm-hm. Yeah, yeah. You know, because of quarters, because it ties to money. Money? Oh my gosh, we're gonna be talking about money today. It

0:01:21 Thomas: That's Lydia saying, yeah, today is we could tell today is this episode rather is the final part of our trafficking saga, our trafficking journey, even following our traffic, personal trafficking journey. We've got a lot to talk about. We've got kind of a where are they now mixed with like following the money. You know we thought the money was going to be a more prominent part of it but the problem is the laws are so lax that we can't really find all that much. Like there's stuff we can point out. There's some money stuff we're going to cover. I wish we could do more. We can say there's a lot of money. We're going to say that people are making money they shouldn't be and people probably shouldn't Be donating money to this but it's hard because we just need reform. We need a stronger IRS. I know we all hate that idea but we do.

0:01:22 Lydia: Just came out of, I did not plan that. I did not. Right,

0:02:06 Thomas: Maybe one of the reasons we're all scared of the IRS is that rich people want everybody to hate the IRS because that benefits them more. You know, the IRS essentially makes money with how much you put into it, but they want to defund it. Weird. Isn't that weird? Anyway, point is we have a little bit about the money. We'll wish we had more, wish the reporting requirements were stricter, but we also have some, where are they now? And we have some stories of fraud that I just, there's nowhere to put them, but I got to put them somewhere and I got get them out.

0:02:32 Lydia: And the people have to know.

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0:02:41 Lydia: Oh, so good.

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0:02:59 Lydia: So we've talked a lot about UG Solutions, Jameson Gavone, right? And all of the nonsense that has been been happening, some of the very serious things that have been alleged related to UG Solutions. But because it's a private company, we can't really dig into the dollars, like what's been happening there. I guess theoretically, I could find the contract potentially.

0:03:18 Thomas: We could do a heist and steal their documents no that's not where you're going okay

0:03:20 Lydia: Yeah, there you go. No, unfortunately not.

0:03:23 Thomas: Never mind I forget I said it

0:03:23 Lydia: I'm not going to commit a crime. But because James Singavoni is, you know, the master of all companies, because he started so many things, I thought we could go back to Sentinel Foundation and kind of look at what's been going on monetarily with them. As you said in the intro, because there aren't really like rigid requirements with 990s, there was essentially a lot of stuff that I wish we had more information on. I know you wish you had more information on and it is really, really frustrating. I mean, just to give folks an idea, I poured over the tax documents and stuff for quite a bit and I have my like little Excel spreadsheet up of things that I thought were interesting.

0:04:02 Thomas: As you've constantly told me reading things from an excel spreadsheet so we'll say it together is not a good podcast we can't just you point it at the sign I was like yeah you're right but this time I got to do it to you I was like hey the sign you made that It says reading cells from your Excel spreadsheet. It's not a good podcast.

0:04:08 Lydia: I want to shout out this Twitter account that also went deep into a lot of these 990s and mapping folks out. It's so crazy. I ended up sending you a picture of something that you were like, I have no idea what this is because I hadn't told you anything about it. But from other work that is being done in this space by, and I'll link this in the show notes because I think this stuff is really, really important. They've kind of put put together this web where they show the various founders of these organizations like Jameson and then the other Sentinel Foundation founder, Glenn Debit, and their entities that they have founded, and then their relationship to other entities, their funding sources. And it starts just looking really insane, where we have the Sentinel Foundation and UG Solutions, both founded by Jameson Gavone. And then we have a former vet named Billy Cipriani, who serves on the Sentinel Foundation. He's like an investigator there. And also with UG Solutions, we have Black Rifle Company coming in with firearms. They're a corporate sponsor for this paramilitary NGO called We Fight Monsters that partners with Sentinel Foundation, which partners with UG solutions, which is then housed under the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation as kind of like this protective aspect. There's the Tim Tebow Foundation, which donates

0:05:42 Lydia: To the Sentinel Foundation, all of these connections. The Samaritan's Purse is a partner of the Sentinel Foundation, and that seems to be funded at least in part by Eric Prince, again, the founder of Blackwater. So as part of this web that they've created and stuff is they've highlighted that it seems, based on the research that's been done here, it looks like there might be unreported grants, which is a big problem, specifically the Tim Tebow Foundation. They

0:05:41 Thomas: There we go. Oh,

0:06:14 Lydia: Received $247,000, but in their 990s, they only reported $179,500, which seems so strange. And so Tim

0:06:23 Thomas: So wait, sorry. Tim Tebow was the one who granted people or you're saying the Tim Tebow Foundation received that money?

0:06:30 Lydia: Tebow Foundation granted that to Sentinel Foundation. Sentinel Foundation only reported a portion of that on their paperwork. Work. That's a problem. And then there's additionally an element where grants that they received from other foundations and organizations have a shared person from the Sentinel Foundation to that other organization. And that is a problem without disclosing that. That is a big problem because as a board of directors position, you have a fiduciary duty to the organization that you represent.

0:07:05 Thomas: Pin in that a little bit for some fraud I'm going to be talking about later because what happens when you are that but also perhaps are um in

0:07:14 Lydia: Okay, interesting. So an example of this is Andrew Gunther is the president of Sentinel Foundation right now. There's evidence that he was serving as president for the Robbins Foundation. It's unclear the timeline, but it seems to have never been reported. And there is a sizable donation from the Robbins Foundation to Sentinel back in 2023 for $132,000. And Andrew Gunther was the president of Sentinel at that time, not disclosed on their 990s from anything that I've seen or this other, you know, group has done for their research. Additionally, one of the board of directors for Sentinel named Aubrey Edge, he is also affiliated with a group called Daly's Foundation. He was the president there for four years, including his time when he was with Sentinel. 2019 to 2023 was his time with Daly Foundation. Daly Foundation made a donation to Sentinel Foundation for $150

0:07:14 Thomas: Government

0:08:04 Lydia: ,000. It was not disclosed that a board of directors for Sentinel was also serving as the president for that group that same year.

0:08:12 Thomas: Wow that seems like a

0:08:13 Lydia: These are problems. Yeah. And they say that they talk about conflict of interest on all their 990s because that you check yes, you know, because you're supposed to. I don't think that they're actually being careful about this at all. And the IRS doesn't exist anymore. So no one's doing the work to actually alert that these are problems So there's probably a lot more in there that I wish we could No, but it's so minimal. But even still, with what minimal amount that we got from those 990s, some good work's being done to try and track down some concerning nonprofit shenanigans, potentially, and things that should have been disclosed but haven't been.

0:08:14 Thomas: Problem yeah uh Uh-huh huh yeah

0:08:50 Lydia: So some interesting stuff there. Then there's another web that they've put together that brings in Mark Wayne Mullen, who actually, yeah, he went with Sentinel Foundation, yeah.

0:08:57 Thomas: Oh wow really holy shit really

0:09:01 Lydia: To rescue people from Afghanistan when that was falling.

0:09:04 Thomas: We told you it would all come together wow I had heard about that and I I didn't know about until like he's getting obviously more more attention because of now, but I had heard and just saw a headline about that and had no idea it was Sentinel Foundation.

0:09:20 Lydia: Yeah. It was Sentinel Foundation that he wentwith to affect those evacuations. And I do want to say Sentinel Foundation from what I've seen, they did evacuate people from Afghanistan. I looked into this because it showed up on their tax forms. And yeah, yep,

0:09:34 Thomas: Oh, I did too. And I said, that is something that it seems like they did for

0:09:37 Lydia: $2.4 million in expenses related to it. And I was looking into this because the biggest organization or the biggest partnership, I guess, of organizations that were going in to help get people out of there, it was called Hashtag Afghan Evac. And it was 250 different organizations. They coordinated directly with the U .S. government to evacuate folks. Sentinel Foundation did not participate in that one. They did participate in a different one, which is called Project Exodus Relief, where a volunteer effort comprised of veterans and patriots seeking the safe evacuation for American Afghan partners and at -risk Afghans out of Afghanistan. So still, you know, like doing good work to get people to safety, for sure. I don't want to minimize that at all. But of course, it just had to be like, they couldn't be with the 250 organization, like huge sprawling network that was working with the government that probably was a little more seamless. They had to do it with the very evangelical Christian, like mini group of things.

0:10:35 Thomas: Yeah. Do you want to go the government route or the grift route? Oh, grift road. That's over there. Okay.

0:10:40 Lydia: Yeah, yeah. And so Mark Wayne Mullen participated as part of that.

0:10:44 Thomas: I'm sure he was heroic and he fought bravely.

0:10:47 Lydia: Yeah. He likes to talk about it a lot, though.

0:10:51 Thomas: Yeah I bet.

0:10:52 Lydia: It's a particular person that was a Texas resident that was there with her three young kids visiting her parents that lived in Afghanistan. And she went through a lot. I mean, they got her out of there safely and stuff. And so kudos to them. But they like to spin that a lot you know it kind of hit all the points they wanted and about how Biden abandoned her and would have left her there to die kind of thing. This document, you know, it lists Mark Wayne Mullen, Lindsey Graham as being a big player here, too, just supporting for, well, for Gaza evacuation. He didn't travel, but support for the Gaza evacuation efforts. And then the money, right? So it lists the Robbins Foundation, which we talked about, and them funding, yeah, funding Sentinel Foundation. And then, of course, the people who are getting paid related to it. So Andrew Gunther, who I mentioned when he denounced Matt Murphy's comments related to Islam, he's the Sentinel Foundation president, and he seems to be affiliated also, at least in some capacity. I don't know if it's on the board or if he has a paid position or what, but with the Robbins Foundation as well. So people that are on multiple of these foundations kind of moving money between everybody is very, very interesting. The Tim Tebow Foundation, again, is listed here, too. And it's not just things that are happening in the Middle East. There's an individual on, well, he was on payroll with Sentinel Foundation. It seems like he's been affiliated with them for quite a long time. His name is Taylor Jolly. I think it's a name that if

0:11:19 Thomas: Did he go over there? Okay. Oh Tony Tony Robbins. Oh, wow. Feel

0:12:22 Lydia: You're in the military, like you kind of know.

0:12:24 Thomas: Like I've heard that name.

0:12:25 Lydia: Yeah, he's a retired Marine, was with the Marines from 2002 to 2019. He has quite a few commendations. He has deployed like a lot of times with the Marine Corps. Going back to the initial invasion of Iraq in 2003, he ended up getting three Bronze Star medals, a Navy commendation medal with Device for Valor and the Purple Heart. Well -decorated veteran. And he was serving as an investigator with Sentinel Foundation, might also be working with UG Solutions, unclear, but he was making, you know, like money on Sentinel Foundation in that role, like Billy Cipriani. They were sort of serving in the same capacity. But then I found him because he also is partnering with another person named Austin Holmes, who testified in Congress. And this is the only reason why I found this, where he was testifying in Congress about how to manage the humanitarian crisis in Haiti.

0:13:20 Lydia: So my point is, like, it's not just the Middle East. We're seeing these paramilitary groups go into other places as well. So Austin Holmes, who testified in Congress, had started a company called the or I guess it's an NGO, the Caribbean Security Group, and he created it with Taylor Jolly. So they're doing high risk recovery operations in Haiti, one of whom was actually a U .S. military veteran who was kidnapped. And so we're seeing it in all of these like other little Little places, too, where you have people who used to be with the military who are no longer with the military for whatever reason. Some people are retired, some people discharged, perhaps, that are looking for something to do and giving them the benefit of the doubt for them to use the skills and the expertise that they have to give back and like help people.

0:14:08 Thomas: I have no doubt there's plenty of people who get into this for the right reasons, I'm sure. It just feels like as a system, this is bad. Like they're just unaccountable. Yeah. Exactly. Grifty. So I know you had an update for us about UG Solutions, and that's the one that was in Gaza that had the whistleblower.

0:14:17 Lydia: And I think it can go so wrong. It can go so long.

0:14:27 Lydia: So unfortunately, I don't know that the whistleblowing of UG UG Solutions specifically has led to anything. Their role just kind of changed when the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation ceased operations because of the ceasefire. They kind of went quiet, it seems, until about last month, where Trump's Board of Peace has announced that they are looking for contractors with combat experience to go into Gaza. And I don't know exactly to do what. And so UG Solutions has submitted a proposal to be involved in that, I'm guessing. So I was looking at like the Board of Peace. It's basically like a redevelopment plan for Gaza. There's a whole PowerPoint presentation.

0:15:09 Thomas: Oh, this is the making it into a beachfront property.

0:15:11 Lydia: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And so they are looking for Arabic speaking contractors with combat experience. And so UG Solutions said we can do that and they will probably be heading out that way again as they rebuild from the ground up and turn it into Trump properties. I don't know. I mean, there are no consequences, I guess, to anything.

0:15:33 Lydia: I wish I had better news, but that's kind of where we're at is we haven't seen the end of UG solutions. We haven't seeing any consequences related to the whistleblower concern there. And I don't know what that even would have been, especially when you have senators participating in this stuff, too, and connected to the people at the top of these various groups. And they're well -funded and the evangelical Christian base of everything, too. Is funding these things, too?

0:16:00 Thomas: Yeah, Yeah.

0:16:00 Lydia: I just it feels something where there are just so many layers to it that how would you ever dismantle any one of these things? And so they continue to be able to operate, to give grants to each other and call it partnership and stuff. But they're really just kind of moving money around to sort of do whatever. And as we've looked at before with their tax documents, it's so hard to track down any additional information beyond those bottom line numbers. So it feels a little overwhelming and maybe hopeless. I don't know. I don't want to say hopeless. But I am concerned with how much I've seen from this and how incredibly far -reaching some of these consequences can be to people, to civilians in these countries that have not asked for this particular kind of help. Palestinians wanted food.

0:16:49 Lydia: They didn't want four distribution sites across their entire

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0:16:56 Thomas: So I want to talk about some of the fraud I found that what didn't really go exactly with this stuff, because sort of, you know, it's like isolated. Well, again, I think this is a high risk area. But it is also true that, as we've mentioned, like any non -profit even if it's good can have somebody just like takes money you know that doesn't mean they're bad but you know yeah I guess I'll let you decide kind of where the line is there uh and there's going to be a reason that you know people who are bad people who want to steal stuff might flock to certain areas they might gravitate toward things that have this high emotional appeal stuff that might blind people to what's going on possibly potentially but this one okay so I saw this video and it's great because it's always like local news type stuff I've watched a a lot of local news segments because of this. I saw this under the title Utah Anti -Human Trafficking Group Helps 17 Survivors in 2023 in Finding Safe Locations. Just let's just listen to this.

0:17:04 Lydia: Land mm -hmm oh yeah mm -hm yeah yeah

0:17:51 Clip: A story you'll only see here on 2 News. An anti-human trafficking group has now saved at least 17 survivors since the beginning of this year.

0:17:58 Thomas: And I'm like, OK, OK. OK.

0:18:00 Clip: Yeah, these are survivors who were forced into the sex trade here in Utah, but they are now free from that dangerous environment.

0:18:10 Thomas: So this was when I was doing this search along the lines of do these people do anything like I can't I cannot find examples. I think there are. I'm not saying there's none, but I have a real hard time finding tangible examples of the kind of rescuing in quotes that they're supposedly doing. So I see this one. And so I'm like, oh, 17 survivors. Are they going to have that? Like, you know, when you see those TV things where they have a bunch of folding chairs and everybody's sitting, you knows, like there's going to be a, I was like, oh, they're going to do a bunch. Maybe their identities are protected, but are we going to hear some stories? And then the guy goes to the airport and I was, like, Oh, he's he's outside the airport. Okay. Yeah.

0:18:26 Lydia: Mm you're right right

0:18:42 Clip: Jim Spiewak, live outside the airport for us tonight, and you spoke with some women that are responsible for all this, Jim.

0:18:50 Thomas: Interesting. Spoke to women. I was like, oh, he's outside the airport, but maybe he will have talked to the survivors. And it's like, well, you spoke to women responsible for it. It's like okay. Interesting that you wouldn't say you spoke to the Survivors.

0:19:02 Clip: ...for us tonight and you've spoken with some woman that are Yeah, absolutely, Mark and Heidi. One woman specifically, she has brought 17 survivors here to Salt Lake International Airport, help them get on an airplane to get out of the state which they were trafficked in to a much it's scary it's absolutely scary to to choose to heal when you have that kind of trauma a recent survivor that Candice Rivera helped escape from human trafficking carried a jagged broken piece of mirror to put her makeup on before being sold for sex he said well we're probably gonna have to confiscate this because this is a weapon and we talked to her a little bit about it she was actually this is the weapon against me she's like I hate looking at myself in the mirror I feel like

0:19:40 Lydia: Right what what

0:19:39 Thomas: What what what I didn't even actually realize this. There's it's been a minute since I did this. I didn' t realize how dumb this is. Okay Okay. So this is the best. Again, we deserve a little fun. I just, this is so funny. Let's go back to this claim.

0:20:03 Clip: I'm worth nothing. Rivera helped escape from human trafficking, carried a jagged broken piece of mirror to put her makeup on before being sold for sex. He said, well, we're probably

0:20:12 Thomas: Okay, why, why wouldn't you just have a normal mirror? Like, is it that hard? Like if you have makeup, wouldn't he just have like the thing that comes with it? And then, and again, I'm thinking, okay, but surely that means they talked to her because they're talking as though they did. And then we go to this woman who's not, you know, obviously not the survivor. She's candace rivera the founder of exodus and she's holding I just I need to send you a screenshot of this actually because this is I this is oh my god okay there's a screenshot for you tell me what you're looking at she's hoping it's so stupid it's the

0:20:43 Lydia: What in the world it's huge it's a car windshield you guys it's literally like a car windshield it's huge she was not carrying that around you fucking liar that's insane this is crazy

0:20:58 Thomas: Size of a at least a textbook and she She's saying we have to go. Now that you've seen that, I'm so sorry, but we got to play this again because this is so fucking funny and also depressing when you see how gullible everybody is. Just listen to the claim here. Okay, going back.

0:21:17 Clip: It's scary. It's absolutely scary to to choose to heal when you have that kind of trauma. A recent survivor that Candace Rivera helped escaped from human traffic carried a Jagged broken piece of mirror. To put her make up on before. Being sold for her sex. He said, well, we're probably going to have to confiscate this because this is a weapon.

0:21:18 Thomas: It's scary.

0:21:35 Lydia: This is insane it's

0:21:31 Thomas: Why? We're going to have to confiscate that. So she's just carrying that. Hey, that big piece of glass you have. Why confiscate it? It doesn't even make any sense.

0:21:41 Lydia: HUGE that's crazy and and the thing that yeah well the thing that bothered me the most about it before I saw this picture and now this bothers me the most but the thing the bothered me most was when she said you know like and she said you know actually it was a weapon against yeah please

0:21:56 Thomas: Chance yeah well okay I'll keep going to play

0:21:59 Clip: And we talked to her a little bit about it. And she goes, actually, this is the weapon against me. She's like, I hate looking at myself in the mirror. I feel like I'm worth nothing.

0:22:06 Lydia: That did not happen that did not happen at all she's making that up

0:22:07 Thomas: That no yeah I just want to imagine this situation there this is supposedly when they're rescuing her I guess and she said just to take her story just take your story oh we got you we went to the fucking sex den of trafficking where we found we fought all the the minions and now we're at the big boss and there's probably treasure chests in there too you get the goodies uh and we're freeing the sex slave and she's like hold on I I gotta grab my giant textbook size broken mirror that I use to apply the makeup which is weird because those usually just have a little mirror in them most of the time

0:22:17 Lydia: I guess mm -hmm sometimes yeah yeah or you could get a little compact

0:22:49 Thomas: Yeah or you could easily find Yeah. And then she's like, no, no. As we're escaping, we're going to have to confiscate that, which is not that's not a word you would use in that situation.

0:22:52 Lydia: Or break this big piece of glass into a smaller piece piece of glass yeah

0:23:06 Thomas: That's that's like her trying to sneak that into something like, No, I'd be like, well, that's a that's trash. Just leave it.

0:23:06 Lydia: Yeah

0:23:13 Thomas: That'S what you would say. And and then just to get the reality of the situation. Then she's like okay well actually this is a weapon against me looking at myself because I'm not worth anything now someone I guess I suppose could say well maybe that's not the actual mirror but then that's even fucking crazier because then she she has broke found a broken mirror somewhere to to have ready and in her head she didn't even think to make it smaller like it's not even as described you couldn't carry

0:23:22 Lydia: Because I hate looking at myself wow yeah for

0:23:49 Thomas: This there's not there is not a human way to carry this with you without constantly going to the

0:23:49 Lydia: Props like no no unless she has like like a rolly backpack as like like as she's being sex traffic she has a rolly backpack that it's in

0:23:58 Thomas: Hospital yeah maybe I mean that's dangerous to like try to hold on to something like it's a totally like so no matter what we're in insanity town I think this whole fucking shit is made up but as you let's just keep going we're halfway way through.

0:24:11 Clip: Rivera, the founder of the anti-trafficking group Exodus, helped the survivor get back on her feet.

0:24:22 Thomas: Okay. Where?

0:24:22 Clip: After about 10 days, she took her to the airport to fly to a safe location out of state to get longer-term aftercare. Go all the way to the gate and sit with them while they board a flight.

0:24:32 Thomas: Okay. And so here's the thing. Keep in mind, I'm still thinking like this is on the news. There's gotta be something right. Andso now we're getting shots of the airport.

0:24:36 Lydia: But like this person exists right

0:24:41 Thomas: I don't know. That's what I'm thinking. I'mthinking if they are covering this on the fucking news, I know it's local news. I Don't have like that high of hopes, but like, I would assume there's something. So we get a bunch of shots of an airport .I don'tknow if it's B roll or what? Cause you can't usually like go that far at an airport, you know? And then we get, As she's talking about this, all we get are just B -roll of airports and inside the airport and whatever. And they say she's just putting her on a plane to get to a better place, I guess.

0:25:09 Clip: Which was Rivera's 17th time this year doing that.

0:25:18 Thomas: Wait, you can't.

0:25:20 Clip: TSA agents now shake the survivor's hand and ask their name. And that really stands out to me every time because these girls don't get called by their name very often. And on this trip, Rivera says something happened for the very first time.

0:25:18 Lydia: Yeah what oh

0:25:34 Thomas: This is great.

0:25:35 Clip: The gate agent gave the survivor first pick of her seat on the plane. She was so excited, and to be given the first. You know, they're always on an agenda, and they're very last. She grabbed my hand as we walked down that tunnel and just said, thanks for saving my life.

0:25:51 Thomas: What? And then we see shot of a plane flying away.

0:25:58 Clip: Now candace tells me that exodus has saved more than 17 survivors so far this year it's just the 17 that she has personally brought here to the airport to help them get on a plane and get out of state for some of that longer-term care we're live tonight at the airport jim spiewak kutv2 news

0:26:13 Thomas: That's it. They're alive at the airport. And I watched this. First off, I admit, I didn't even think much about the stupid mirror thing because I was so like I just was trying. The first time I watched, I was trying to get through it. And then upon presenting it to you, I instantly was like, that's the dumbest fucking shit I've ever heard in my life. But my first point was going to be I watched this whole thing. I don't know that this happened. Like, I shouldn't be able to watch a whole news thing like you traveled to the airport. Port like humans were involved in this putting work like hey cameraman we're gonna go to the airport yep other people producer everybody this is the story we got well do you have any of the victims well no they I'm sure they do they're like well we got to protect identities but I'm sure I'm that's a lot of again it's another reason why this is so easy to do fraud because it's like well you can't we got protect the victim so we can just show the airport that allegedly happened

0:26:29 Lydia: Wow yeah yeah yeah yep load up the van mm -hmm yeah yep yep

0:27:08 Thomas: At and this stuff about like the tsa agents and they're gonna pick their first, the first pick of the seat. That's not how seating works in planes. Like it's not really, none of it makes sense. Now it will probably not surprise you to learn. I get, there's so many of these to choose from to play this. I think this'll be, this'll Be a Good One. Remember, remember who that was? It was the CEO of,

0:27:33 Clip: We have some developing news to bring you tonight on fox 13 news at nine the ceo of an organization called Exodus dedicated to fighting human trafficking was booked into Utah County Jail on Friday. 37-year-old Candace Leard, formerly known as Candace Rivera, faces more than 30 felony charges of communications fraud, theft, and forgery, among others. Facts 13 News reporter

0:27:42 Lydia: Exodus wow wow Wow.

0:27:51 Thomas: Yeah, look, I already knew I was already searching Exodus because I had seen that this fraud existed. So I knew. But what I didn't know and genuinely still don't ever fully know is how much fraud are we talking? Because many of these organizations, they are doing some stuff, you know, and like there will be examples. I have another one. They have examples. And I don't know when I'm just starting to research, is this somebody who just used a position to steal money?

0:28:21 Lydia: Mm -hmm. Yeah.

0:28:21 Thomas: You know, because, again, if we go to any other organization that's feeding the homeless or something and you find out someone embezzled, that doesn't necessarily mean that the company was fake. You know, like it could be like there could be, you know, you set up a fake company to get, you know, that could exist. But it's more likely that like, oh, well, they're getting donations. They're probably doing a certain amount of good work. But then someone starts skimming or someone starts like faking, you Know, maybe paperwork, making it look like they're feeding more people than they are. It doesn't mean that that nothing happened. Usually, like, that's pretty extreme to be like nothing. This one, there might have been like nothing that happened.

0:28:57 Thomas: Like it's just because Because I watched that whole story. I was like, none, there's no facts in it. There's nothing that was even close to a verifiable fact.

0:29:04 Lydia: What are you talking about? She lifted up the broken piece of glass. What Are You Talking About? Yeah.

0:29:07 Thomas: Yeah, she had it. This is proof. I'm surprised there wasn't fake blood on it or something, you know? God, that thing was, that's huge. That is so funny. Who could believe that? What kind of, I mean, we're in Utah, so we got a lot of Mormons. So, oh, oh wait, maybe there's a Mormon law against questioning any tablet related revelations.

0:29:19 Lydia: Oh, there you go. Could be.

0:29:25 Thomas: It's like that looks like a tablet and a lot of a lot of cool and totally real stuff happened involving mysterious tablets yeah I actually can't even look at it so I'm going to take your word for it that it's good so I didn't know so I like when I watch this I I'm not claiming that I found this and was like I'm on to this but I look looked at it to try to search for just this lady and find the coverage and sure enough there was coverage of like before she was busted busted and it's just nothing like it's so crazy so I think she was so bad that it may have truly been nothing

0:29:31 Lydia: Yep. Yep. Joseph Smith says I'm not allowed to ask questions. Wow

0:29:58 Thomas: Like she just was like there's a bunch of victims um and not victims of sex trafficking people that she claimed like hey uh we're gonna do this thing we're into this business and she would pretend she had all this success they would give her money she would just take it you know kind of thing from september 10th 2020 to present date which I think again was uh 2023 just to make sure was 2023 except she was busted september 18th ish 2023 uh so for that like three year period just about exactly three years candace leard misrepresented herself as a licensed registered nurse medical doctor and nurse practitioner yeah this person is just nuts like she just did so it may seem extreme to think like oh is someone really gonna lie to your face like that a lie to a newscaster but there are

0:30:12 Lydia: Wow what a bad person wow what wow this

0:30:44 Thomas: Those they do exist yeah like they do I think it's unhealthy you You shouldn't expect everyone to be that and you shouldn't be looking for that too much because I think it I think It's bad if we all start thinking everybody's that level of liar.

0:30:44 Lydia: Lady is

0:30:57 Thomas: I think there's too much of that in our society However, they do exist. Those people do exist There are some of them and you might find them Disproportionately and stuff like this because they're the ones who they rise to the top because they'RE so fucking bold, you know, yeah Yeah, those kind of liars if they're good at it and usually just darwinian process You probably if they'RE bad at they'RE probably already, you KNOW busted somewhere if theyRE good at IT they're going to know which things they can lie about often because the things are not going to get called out on. So we already got nurse, medical doctor and nurse practitioner. It's funny to hit all three of those. You know, like, why wouldn't you just do like one?

0:30:51 Lydia: Yeah yeah one again who's going to be against the people trying to help victims of trafficking right yeah yeah stick to one

0:31:32 Thomas: Candace falsely stated that she held a position with the United Nations and was featured on BBC News. Oh, wait, she might have falsely said she was featured. I actually am not sure how to read that sentence. It could go either way. Probably falsely. Candace also falsely asserted that she was a successful business owner who has founded several multi -million dollar companies, the affidavit states. Based on the misleading and fraudulent misrepresentations made by Candace, the Exodus nonprofit corporation raised more than $1 .7 million since its founding in 2020.

0:31:35 Lydia: Oh my god oh wow Wow. Okay. Wow. Wow,

0:32:00 Thomas: Yeah. Multiple times that investigators believe Leard falsely represented herself to others, including in 2021 when she solicited a member of the Navajo Nation. I don't know what that... Oh, yeah. Candace later met with tribal nation leaders to solicit donations for exodus work with a missing and murdered indigenous woman effort yeah it's like so fucking evil but a navajo nation member later learned no such effort to rescue or seek justice for missing and murdering indigenous women existed within exodus there's one where she's ripping up people with houses like she just it was a full ripoff artist you know kind of thing so that's one where like she sounds like just a fucking ripoff artists who had had a million different schemes but it is notable that the one that got the news coverage and the one that she's raised money almost two million dollars for charity for is this trafficking stuff the other stuff is all kind of one -offs you know but she was able to be a little bit more grand and systematic with this child trafficking thing and I think you know I think there's a reason for that but this person is just sick like she's just so even her family like apparently took four $4 ,000 that her ex -husband had given for a car, but then instead like fraudulently obtained the car, didn't pay the

0:33:13 Thomas: Money to the person. And then the car was repossessed. She withdrew thousands from the shared bank account, some of which her son allegedly still needs to pay back. And then also she was stealing from his 401k. And without telling, like just this person's nuts, but there's going to be people like that. But think about that fucking local news segment. Think about how many people and how much is that happening that I'm never, you know, I don't watch this fucking shit.

0:33:38 Thomas: Every city and every state in America has this bullshit and they're piping it to our elderly relatives, you know, kind of thing with with making people believe that someone's carrying a shattered piece of mirror around before being sold for sex. Like, it's so stupid. So stupid.

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0:33:58 Thomas: All right. I got another one for you. It's not quite as crazy as that, but it's about an organization called Saved in America. It's out of San Diego. We got another video. Another local news thing actually this is NBC news I guess tell me what you think about this this is we got an interesting mix here so

0:34:15 Clip: Lucy Nelson spoke with a woman. Bless you, Emmy. Come on. A daily prayer Marina and Paul Foley would give anything to give up. Keep Emmy safe. Eight weeks ago, their 14-year old daughter Emily ran away. These were her favorite lights. They'll stay on till Emmy comes home. Her parents say she has a troubled history, struggling with mental illness and suicidal thoughts and running away. Last June, social workers placed Emmy in a group home. This is the seventh time she's taken off, but the first time the Foley's haven't heard from her. Everything leads us to believe that she's being hurt. I think she's trapped in a human trafficking situation.

0:34:19 Thomas: We got some grieving parents here this is in 2018 why do they think that

0:34:57 Lydia: Okay, I don't know. It seems really out of nowhere.

0:34:58 Thomas: You know so this is this is real these are real parents this is a real thing that happened in that she was missing

0:35:05 Lydia: I mean, probably because they they're susceptible to the propaganda we've been talking about. Yeah Yeah,

0:35:08 Thomas: That's exactly see that's what I'm worried about like there's a cost to this propaganda when when these look this seems like a troubled teen you don't want to judge other parents so who knows it sounds like she's troubled I don't know what they've done what

0:35:19 Lydia: What kind of support court structures there. Yeah.

0:35:22 Thomas: They could or not but the fact that she's been taken to a group home and then has run away seven times or whatever they said like is that is there nothing you could do about that like you're these are two parents that are they have a house like I don' t I don''t understand like am I crazy I don'T know how that works

0:35:40 Lydia: I mean it is hard to say like I mean but it's not the whole story that's for sure. Yeah yeah.

0:35:44 Thomas: Yeah but let yeah like okay regardless like maybe they're they're doing all they can. I don't know. I'm not, but why are they saying she's being trafficked? She's run away seven times, but this time they're saying, who knows? Maybe they have some reason they're seeing that. It's not, there's nothing that we see.

0:36:00 Lydia: The Only reason that they've shared at least as part of that is because every other time she's left the group home she's contacted them. This time she hasn't. So that's the difference. Exactly. There could be a lot lot of reasons for that

0:36:07 Thomas: Sure. Sure, there could be a lot of reasons for that, but that's so far as we know. There's a lot of editing, there're a lot of whatever, so we don't have a ton of information, but they don't give us any reason to suspect that at all. They give us nothing to back up that claim, but I wonder now when we're going to hear about the anti -trafficking organization coming into it, I wonder the timing of that. Like, did they make them think that? So now we're going to get introduced here.

0:36:32 Clip: Marina went to the police, but quickly decided they needed to do more. So they turned to Joseph Travers. Here's the Zone 1 motels. Travers runs Saved in America, a group of ex-cops and Navy SEALs with a new mission, track down missing children before it's too late. This is modern-day slavery in our country. Now licensed as private investigators, they utilize decades of surveillance training.

0:36:59 Thomas: Okay. So there's going to be a lot of stuff in here. There's a lot of footage that, like, again, it does seem like maybe there are some of these dudes who genuinely are volunteering and trying to locate runaway kids or whatever. And that's, you know, that's very honorable. That's a great thing to do for parents who are scared totally they're using their know-how and then we get he's flying a drone what's that gonna do he's playing a drone about 30 feet in the air currently we're gonna hear about the drone again but right when I saw that I was like what the fuck are you doing with that drone how is that helping you in this situation

0:37:42 Lydia: Checking out people's

0:37:43 Clip: Every member of the team is a volunteer, all refusing pay, instead relying on private donations to fund operations.

0:37:50 Thomas: Which is the same as getting paid but

0:37:51 Clip: When we see the look of that parent or that mother who gets her child back, that's why we do what we do. That's our payment.

0:37:59 Thomas: Yeah and we get paid

0:37:59 Clip: On a Sunday morning in San Bernardino, we join them as they begin their search for Emmy. Hey, man, I'm a private investigator. We're looking for a runaway girl. They start by canvassing the neighborhood for leads, then deploy a drone to expand the search.

0:38:12 Thomas: What it showed it again it was like okay we got canvassing OK, that's great. Like if someone was missing, anyone who would want to help just human to human walk around and ask, have you seen this girl? Yeah. Awesome. That's seriously that that'd be like if we had someone missing 100 percent, anyone Who did that would be grateful forever, obviously.

0:38:14 Lydia: Roofs yeah yep

0:38:31 Thomas: So, yeah, that doesn't I don't think it takes a lot of like military know -how. But yeah, you're going wherever you're going, you asking if you've seen this girl. Awesome, but then they say and then they use the drone to expand. What is

0:38:30 Lydia: Yep right

0:38:43 Clip: Start by canvassing the neighborhood for leads, then deploy drone to extend the search look after several hours. A break. A good Samaritan comes

0:38:44 Lydia: Yeah are they just

0:38:46 Thomas: The drone going to ask people? People. That's also a different drone. We've got a second drone.

0:38:50 Lydia: Are they just like looking what what exactly are they looking for like just a random like like building or, oh, oh.

0:38:54 Thomas: I don't know. I don't know where they are. Yeah. I, I don, I, don't know what, like, what would you look for with a drone? Okay. Let's see here. A break.

0:39:05 Clip: Forward, revealing the operation of a neighborhood pimp they believe could be connected to Emmy. TRAVERS SAYS OUT OF THE 71 PREVIOUS CASES HIS TEAM HAS TAKEN ON THEY'VE BROUGHT 71 CHILDREN HOME THIS IS FOR YOUR BABY WHEN WE FIND HER 71 CHILDREN HOME

0:39:19 Thomas: Wow. 71 for 71. Okay, he's going to hand a teddy bear to, I think it's the mom. I can't a hundred percent tell cause it's a quick shot, but it's a tiny teddy bear and the girl's 14. Like it's a tiny Teddy bear.

0:39:33 Clip: THIS IS FOR YOUR BABY WHEN WE FIND HER THEY DIDN'T FIND EMMY THAT DAY BUT THREE WEEKS LATER

0:39:38 Thomas: They haven't found her. Okay? Okay, you ready for this? All right so we've handed her a tiny teddy bear for no reason we have said we got a great tip fantastic tip do you remember what the tip was

0:39:51 Lydia: That there's a pimp in the neighborhood. Yeah. Yeah. Oh,

0:40:02 Thomas: Yeah there's a pimp in the neighborhood that might be connected to okay uh fine there's nothing no evidence of that but we cracked the case here so now I'm thinking oh great so they did crack so maybe they are doing something they did crack the case you know here we go let's let's

0:40:08 Clip: BUT THREE WEEKS LATER SHE'S SAFE AND SHE'S BACK After a harrowing five weeks, Emmy got a hold of his cell phone and made contact with her sister.

0:40:12 Thomas: Here she's

0:40:19 Lydia: So she just didn't have a phone. Okay.

0:40:19 Thomas: Safe oh okay so she didn't have a phone she called her

0:40:25 Clip: She stayed on the phone with her for four and a half hours while we took a drive, and we were able to pick her up. Do you remember what the first thing she said to you was? She said, Mama, I'm hurt. Emmy is recovering at a treatment center in hopes to meet the Saved in America team to say thank you They never gave up on us day and night. I just can't be grateful enough to them

0:40:42 Thomas: Sister

0:40:44 Lydia: But what do they do?

0:40:45 Thomas: Yeah

0:40:49 Clip: You've never turned those lights off never and so those lights and the prayer those are for her the lights left on so Emmy can always find her way home. Steve Patterson NBC News san bernardino

0:41:05 Lydia: So, yeah. So there's no evidence that they actually made that happen.

0:41:07 Thomas: Yeah they didn't but there's no I mean I I know what you know there's I could have looked everywhere I couldn't find any more information on this other than news stories that said yes she was found

0:41:12 Lydia: Yeah. And also no information about where she was those five weeks.

0:41:20 Thomas: No but I was going to talk about that because do we have another Matt Murphy sister situation where you're like, well, I think she might have been, all signs point to trafficking and then it's like well or she's just on drugs you know like this is not Yeah, she's a troubled teen. I have all the sympathy. I'm not judging her. She's 14.

0:41:24 Lydia: Like, yeah, right. Yeah. A troubled teen. Yeah. Right.

0:41:40 Thomas: But I think she's on drugs. Like, she strung out. Yeah.

0:41:42 Lydia: When she's in a treatment facility and they didn't specify what type of treatment facility, right?

0:41:45 Thomas: And specifically, they had her say, Mom, I'm hurt. Like, I feel like that was a pretty intentional choice. Because I feel she's not on drugs, she might have been, you know, this seems like an addict. It's a horrible situation. But, like, she is not trafficked. I don't know. What are you talking about?

0:42:04 Lydia: Mm -mm.

0:42:04 Thomas: You know? Not that we know of. And if she was, what would that mean? Like, if she was, then the story is she got a hold of a phone, called her sister, and then they were able to drive four hours to go get her. So she's not, like, in, she's not like making an escape, you know?

0:42:19 Lydia: Right. Yeah.

0:42:19 Thomas: Like she's, I think she just was on drugs. Didn't have her phone. Maybe she, who knows, maybe she traded her phone for drugs. Who knows? Lost it, something. And then, you know, was on drugs for a while. Maybe he was in with people that were doing, who knows, maybe he, and maybe he was, you know, like in the same way that might have been true about Matt Murphy's sister. Like, like maybe she is trading sex for drugs. Like that happens.

0:42:39 Lydia: Mm -jm.

0:42:39 Thomas: Who knows? But I really feel like this whole thing in the beginning is so intentional where she is, all signs point to she's being trafficked, you know? And you're like, what are you talking about? And the fact that they tie in that we got a great tip. It's this local pimp. What? What does that have to do with anything?

0:42:55 Lydia: Especially because she's found four and a half hours away. So not very local, I guess. Yeah.

0:42:57 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's a lot of territory for that pimp, he's hardworking. Yeah, it's so funny. And so like, this is one where I do think they were doing something, but ultimately they got, it doesn't seem like they've been in any legal trouble, which is disappointing, but they did get outed by the local newspaper. You know, I say local, it's the San Diego Union-Tribune. So it's, you know, San Diego is a big, big thing, but like the newspaper, there's also some other ones from other towns that were involved in the story. And it's like local news is what does it.

0:43:21 Lydia: It's big. Yeah. Yep.

0:43:28 Thomas: That's really not the fucking local video news that is always wrong about everything, but local reporting, you know, and they pointed out that no need to go into too much of it. But the point I told you earlier was they had gotten this big grant. Let me read you this. Supervisor Kristen Gaspar recommended an Oceanside charity run a multimillion dollar project for San Diego County while she served on the organization's advisory board.

0:43:54 Thomas: She's the supervisor and served on the board. She did not disclose her role at the nonprofit when seeking colleagues support for the spending. Wouldn't you think that's a crime?

0:44:02 Lydia: That is just not OK. Yeah, that is really, really, really not OK, sorry.

0:44:07 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah. The county of Spores supervisors approved the budget request in late June, two million dollars to purchase a temporary shelter for sex trafficking victims to be operated by Saved in America.

0:44:17 Lydia: Is she still in her position? OK, good.

0:44:18 Thomas: No. So but but only because she lost the election. Yeah.

0:44:21 Lydia: Oh, no, that's stupid. She should have been recalled. Yeah.

0:44:23 Thomas: I don't see that there's. Yeah. It's like. But when we talk about this is the thing. This is why it's a tragedy for everybody that all we care about is Trump and national fucking news. Not that that isn't important, but everything is national now. And that sucks because what we've lost sight of is how much is going on in our own neighborhoods. How much of this crime and grift you talk about the real moral panic. That's not actually a moral panic, how much the grift panic. Let's let's start it. Let's start a moral pandemic. But for good, there's a bunch of grift happening from right wing assholes pretending to save kids.

0:44:54 Lydia: Stealing everybody's money. Mm hmm.

0:44:54 Thomas: Yeah, there could be in your house, could be your neighbor. It's 10 o'clock. Do you know where your donations are that instead went to the fucking this? They had this, um, Saved in America has this RV for some reason. That's like a hundred thousand dollar RV that they get. They got government assistance to get government money, you know, like these little grants. And apparently this is pretty common. And again, stuff we would know more about if we cared more about our local governments and if we had better local journalism in that way, if we support it more, I don't mean it's not doing a good job, but like if we, we had more support because there's apparently these He's like often these slush funds within, you know, whether it's like the sheriffs or the whatever. And they're like, well, some people say that this guy's slush fund is just a way for him to kind of dole out stuff to people whose support he needs for election.

0:45:44 Thomas: And one of these things was like, yeah, they get a $50 ,000 grant or something like that to this Saved in America thing for whatever. And it's, like, oh, but it's part of a local program to help with the whatever, and it's stuff like that. We just need to pay attention to our homes. Now, having said that, I'm not doing it. Somebody else needs.

0:46:04 Thomas: It's hard because it's like we just don't have that mindset anymore. I think people do. But yeah. Yeah.

0:46:08 Lydia: And the bandwidth. I think the other piece of it too is like like people are you know stretched so thin with everything that like yeah it's just it's impossible it just feels so impossible

0:46:19 Thomas: So Gaspar, one of Travers, that Travers was the guy, biggest supporters who also served on Save America's advisory board, directed at least one hundred and five thousand in public grants. The organization during her single term in county office. $105,000. Those funds and $200,000 in other county grants directed by former supervisors Greg Cox, Bill Horne, Ron Roberts helped pay for the command center. And the command center is the fucking RV.

0:46:43 Thomas: And you know, maybe they're doing something with it. Oh, by the way, remember when they said there are 71 for 71 and rescuing kids? This is the funniest part because that was insane. I was like, okay, you're not, there's no way you found 71 for 71 kids. That's impossible. It turns out, I just got to say, sorry, one more thing on the rv just for funds I had to go to a different story I forgot they had this part a different source here 2019 Saving America alongside gaspar debuted a new mobile command center stocked with state-of-the-art technology the 37-foot RV was advertised as a necessary tool to save children caught in the world of sex trafficking we're doing multi quote we're doing multiple recoveries at the same time so we needed one central point of communication and one central point to put our electronic gear. $240 ,000. Taxpayers contributed more than $240,000 for the RV, including a custom $10,000 paint job with it. Well, cause they need saved in America's logo on the side, child hashtag child saved, not sold.

0:47:16 Lydia: Yeah there you go wow why oh my god wow Wow.

0:47:44 Thomas: Now we heard the 71 thing, but I guess at a different time, you know, the charity claimed to rescue 250 children since it was established more than a decade ago. Travers acknowledged in 2019 in extended interview with the Union-Tribune that the majority of those rescues were young people who had wandered away from the Casa de Amparo group home for at-risk teenagers Travers said the San Marcos facility hired his private security firm to patrol the grounds and anytime a child left the property even for a few minutes he counted their return his recoveries. Oh boy. So yeah, yeah, yep. So, oh boy, they've collected 590,000 from the National Christian Information Center. There you go. National Christian Information

0:48:16 Lydia: Okay. There you go. There we go. Wow. That's a way to juice your numbers. Wow. Yeah.

0:48:32 Thomas: Centre. That's like a parent charity that he also has. So I mean, this one adds up by the time you add it all up, but I don't see that he, so one person who went after him, Travers sued for defamation and there's a, there's a whole case I tried to,

0:48:44 Lydia: Here we go, folks. Here we go!

0:48:45 Thomas: I know I tried to track it down. It looks like maybe it's settled because it just kind of disappeared but the guy took down his shit so I think I think it successfully might have scared that guy away yeah and it's like

0:48:50 Lydia: Interesting. All right. Well, listen up, dude. Bring your fright over to us.

0:48:57 Thomas: No it's it's that's this is a bit old is like five years old um but I look at it now the website still exists the guy still exists he didn't I don't you know so his was I guess like I don't know how you're not in more trouble for that government stuff especially especially the lady who did it essentially but apparently you can just do that and the only consequence was electoral um I guess that's how our Supreme Court wants it, broadly speaking. You just can't punish anyone for anything. You just have to unelect them, essentially. But yeah, so I just wanted to share those two ones that were interesting. Just the videos, too. You go through all that. These poor parents who, you know, they seem genuine and heartbroken. And they do, you know, it is important. They do say they're so thankful to the organization. Now, what did they do? Nothing.

0:49:40 Thomas: But I still also would probably be like that if I felt like someone had been helping all along. And even if the daughter was found for completely different reasons, I'd be like, OK, well, I do appreciate them. But like there's no nexus to trafficking there established at all that we know of. And I can't help but wonder if that organization, how would they even know to get in contact with them? And does that mean if they did that maybe they were already down the road of trafficking panic, maybe? And that's why they're thinking their daughters trafficked, even though they have no evidence for that, that they showed us. So it's just it's a whole thing. All right.

0:50:10 Thomas: That concludes that concludes our trafficking series for now. But you better be good or we'll do another one. Uh, no, that was, uh, that was very enlightening. Very interesting.

0:50:11 Lydia: Well yeah learned a lot

0:50:23 Thomas: And we'll see what, what, uh anti-woke nonsense we debunk next week. Oh yeah, that's right. This show's weekly now. We have finally gotten our shit together and all our shows are coming out on a weekly basis. This one was the, uh last one to kind of catch up because we did have a bunch we were overdue. So, but it's still going to be, it's a good one. It's still Thursday. We're getting one of these out on Thursday and then you can expect it every Wednesday late night or Thursday day. Essentially. That's the weekly time for the show we're doing it we're doing it folks we're doing it with all the shows so we'll see you next week for some other anti

0:50:50 Lydia: Yep we are it's happening

0:51:22 Thomas: -woke nonsense we went to the fucking sex den of trafficking where we found we fought all the minions