WTW119: USA Hockey Shows That the Bar for Men Continues to Reside in Hell

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0:00:43 Thomas: And welcome to Where There's Woke. I'm Thomas. That's Lydia. How you doing?

0:00:46 Lydia: Mm, I'm doing okay.

0:00:49 Thomas: -oh. Only okay.

0:00:51 Lydia: The stuff today has me a little peeved. A little peeves off. Yeah.

0:00:55 Thomas: But I thought it was all better.

0:00:58 Lydia: Everything's fixed. The no, I, I it's a tough time to be an American. I mean, for a lot of reasons, but especially when the were happening, you know, fair, fair.

0:01:10 Thomas: It's a tougher time to be everyone else we're inflicting stuff on and bombing, just want to say. Not to knock on you, but it it sucks to be a person who's stuck in a country that's doing horrible things to people. It's not, it's not fun, not fun. We're going to talk about the Olympics, Olympic hockey. Don't Um, worry. It's not just a hockey episode. I will try not to just have it be a hockey episode, but, um, there's, by now people have probably heard tons of a discourse on this and don't worry, we're not just doing like the thing you've already heard everywhere. I really want to talk about this. I just think nobody gets it. It feels like to me. Um.

0:01:23 Lydia: Not a fan so you say yeah

0:01:45 Thomas: Going to see Lydia's, tried uh, to track down if anybody gets it, uh. So far it was a no for me, but who knows? Maybe someone got it.

0:01:45 Lydia: I got a couple almost ones yeah yeah we'll see we'll see what you think yeah

0:01:55 Thomas: I'm excited to talk about it because am going to put people through gushing about how fucking incredible the u .s women's team was in the olympics historical this is this is not wokest bullshit like they were they were amazing like objectively maybe maybe the best performance of any sport thing ever. Like it's the level of dominance was incredible.

0:02:01 Lydia: My God. Amazing. Well, let's save it. Let's

0:02:18 Thomas: Yeah. I'm going to, I'm gonna subject people and you to a little bit of that, but then we got to talk about the politics of, this.

0:02:18 Lydia: Save it. Let's go to the break. Oh I can't wait. Please subject me to it.

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0:03:07 Thomas: So thanks so much. We'll take a break and we'll get to it. Right. Where do you want to start? I about the hockey team forever, but I don't know how you want to organize this thing.

0:03:06 Lydia: Little indie hearts well you know timeline order like let's talk about the women's team let's Talk about how amazing they are let's talk about their win uh get into that

0:03:26 Thomas: Okay. If we're going to talk about that, I'm going to talk about it.

0:03:29 Lydia: Well no let's Get into it let's let's Get into It

0:03:31 Thomas: I have been looking forward to the Olympics for hockey for a long time. So one, definitely the men's because the NHL was back in it. The NHL hasn't been in it for a a while it was 2010 2014 and then they weren't in it for 18 and 22 and it just sucks like the difference as a as hockey fan that I am the difference between the best of the best being in it and then just like well there's some of the Best around the world and then we get to have a bunch of like amateur players that don't get me wrong are still good but boy it's a bummer like not getting to see the best on Best it's just a bummer um difference Between that and then And seeing Team Canada with my beautiful, amazing boy, Macklin Salbrini, he's the best. God, he is the best! I was so looking forward to it. I had decided ahead of time. Now, in 2010, that's how I first got into hockey. Brother just said, hey, do you want to have a friend who started playing hockey because there's a rink nearby? Do you want me to do that? And I, having never done anything like that, was like, that sounds great.

0:04:29 Lydia: Also it was not nearby for you either

0:04:30 Thomas: I mean, yeah, it's true. It was like an hour away, but still.

0:04:32 Lydia: You had to drive an hour but you got to hang out with your brother so

0:04:34 Thomas: Somewhat nearby. By. Yeah. But had never done anything like that. I barely even ice skated like once as a kid, you know, and I was just like, that sounds great. And I got really, really into it. I love it. So that same year I started watching hockey. I was like, okay, what's the team near me? And I literally had to ask Sam, my brother, like, what team do you do? And he's like, the Sharks. I was Like, okay. And then I just started watching the Shanks and I just got into it and then, yeah

0:04:51 Lydia: What team do you do it's like peak sharks too I mean it was like some really really good years then

0:05:02 Thomas: It really was it was good times but that year 2010 was also really good olympic hockey and a certain shark by the name of joe pavelski captain america had an amazing amazing was I don't know if he was the captain in 2010 though he couldn't have been I don' t think but they called him captain amerika after

0:05:08 Lydia: Literally captain america no no no I don't mean like literally the hockey captain I'm just saying he's like actually captain amerika the superhero

0:05:20 Thomas: I was actually just stopping to think like was he the captain he would have he would've been too young I think plus there was other better americans But maybe not that tournament. He had a tournament that was so good. He was a pretty young player. It was unreal. They beat Canada in the main because what they tend to do, if you didn't watch, if You don't watch this kind of thing is they they play preliminaries, you know, and there's different matchups, different pools. And then after that, they use those standings to then have the medal rounds, of course. And that year, I think we were in the same pod. I'm pretty sure this is all by memory. And I swear we beat Canada. In the regular play, like the tournament pod play, whatever. And then they beat us in overtime. The

0:05:45 Lydia: To seed the finals yeah mm -hmm yeah rough

0:05:59 Thomas: Dagger, Sidney Crosby. And that was the greatest hockey experience. I was just hooked ever since that. 2014, yeah, Captain Canada. 2014, you know, let's not talk about that. We don't, there's no need to dwell. It wasn't good for America. Then no Olympics. Think about that, 2010, 2014. think about politically where a me was and where the country was I then I didn't even consider that I would do anything other than root for america to win hockey they hadn't won the gold of course since the miracle on ice 1980 which

0:06:01 Lydia: Sidney Crosby Captain Canada yeah

0:06:33 Thomas: Was an absolute miracle talk about sporting events just incredible the cool watch that movie it's so good so inspiring so cool unironically we can have nice things we can be corny sometimes and that movie fucking rules I stand by it anyway Anyway, watched they made one about the year about how Russia dealt with the years after that, that I watched.

0:06:46 Lydia: There's also a new documentary too by the way that just came out yeah interesting

0:06:53 Thomas: That was really interesting. I still was kind of bummed because I just kind of want to see the miracle.

0:06:57 Lydia: I just want to watch the miracle I

0:06:58 Thomas: So I watch that again. Yeah, we watch that. Yeah. So think about that. 2010, 2014, the difference. And of course, I watched the hockey and the other tournaments, of course. But it's just not quite the same. It's just that, you know, we want to be the best. Best. People want to see the best of the best. And so then there's no NHL in the Olympics until this year. And last year in the NHL, they did a thing called the Four Nations Face-Off where they decided to pause the NHl, have a little mini Olympics in a way, and play Four Nations national teams. And the crazy thing about this was, I'm trying so hard to not go into too much of this because I could just talk about

0:07:22 Lydia: Hmm. Yeah.

0:07:33 Thomas: This forever. The coolest thing happened last year, and I promise promise this is some, this is somewhat relevant. It's, it's at least adjacent and I want to talk about it. The coolest thing happened last year, which was there's, if you're not a not a sports Sportsman, not a sport's fan, there's historically, we used to have these things called like all -star games and whatever for baseball, basketball, football, the pro bowl. And back in the day, they were pretty cool. Like there's you know, in basketball, it was like Jordan and a Johnson, you know? And they had pride. They were trying to like win for their, their, you or whatever the hell it's called. I haven't watched basketball in so long, but, you Know, it'd be the East West, I guess it is there, I guess, blanking for a sec. And it would be cool. They'd actually go at it. You know, they're probably not playing like a hundred percent, but they're playing close enough.

0:08:14 Thomas: Yeah. Maybe they were actually, I mean, they were so competitive. Then I think what started happening is, you know, people recognize sports science is advanced and also with how much bigger and faster and stronger. The every single year. Nobody Nobody wants to get injured. So nobody wants to do these things. They don't want to actually play. The Pro Bowl became a joke. The I watched one where they just were standing like playing catch almost on the field. I mean, just nobody watched it.

0:08:13 Lydia: 85. Yeah, yeah, People are understandably risk averse when you can see like how incredibly terrible those injuries happen for

0:08:43 Thomas: Well, business -wise, yeah, business wise, you might blow your multi -million million dollar asset.

0:08:51 Lydia: Something that doesn't really matter.

0:08:52 Thomas: Exactly. And so the Olympics is interesting thing because it does actually matter, but it's not the business that they're in. So it is a tough thing, I think, for the owners. And I get it. I don't know much about the other leagues, but specifically for hockey, they're like, yeah, so it's rough. So last year they do this Four Nations and I couldn't believe they were doing that, but they just decided to do that instead of the All -Stars. And I was like, well, well, this is great. Here's the thing. No one was sure how this would go. I don't think.

0:09:07 Lydia: To be willing to have your guys participate in that yeah yeah yeah

0:09:19 Clip: This is something that players and fans alike have been waiting almost a decade for. 92 of the game's best players divided up by country. Is there anywhere else that you'd rather be? The wait is over.

0:09:33 Thomas: They do the four nations from the get -go. Everyone is enraptured. It is like everybody cares about it. They're trying really hard. They are getting hurt. People were worried that there were some injuries. They were like, oh, great. They re never going to let us have this again. Because the Olympics were the next year. Mind you, this was last year.

0:09:50 Thomas: It was was incredible. It was some of the most amazing hockey. The final had the U S and Canada and Canada won barely though. It Was, it was close. Very close. But the fucking U S team with the Kachucks, it felt a little Trumpy. I Was, I was mixed feelings because I was like, man, I don't think I can root for the U .S. Really. I mean, I kind of was Austin Matthews. I wanted him to maybe, you know, he's had a rough go of it. I want him to win, but I was kind of, and then long comes this year when I am firmly like, well, Well, I hate America and I'm rooting for Canada.

0:10:18 Lydia: Everything American. Yeah.

0:10:20 Thomas: So, of course, this would be the first year since 1980 that the U.S. wins the fucking gold medal for the Mets. But meanwhile, I also am just as in it for the women's. They have a professional hockey league now that's going well. I'm really excited.

0:10:33 Lydia: Which isn't anywhere near us. And it drives me crazy. I wish we had a team here or closer, even like even if it was in the Bay Area, that would be so amazing. The Bay Area would have like they would have such an incredible fan base.

0:10:45 Thomas: PWHL, if you're listening, please put a team near me.

0:10:47 Lydia: Well like the Valkyries you know you have WNBA team based out in the Bay Area and stuff and their their fan base is amazing they're it's so strong there I

0:10:55 Thomas: That's a little... demographically when it comes to the interest in hockey versus interest in basketball.

0:10:59 Lydia: Know with the Sharks and everything too like I I uh perhaps

0:11:01 Thomas: It's rough. I wish they would do it. I doubt it. And in a fledgling league, they're going to go to the biggest markets possible. There's only like six teams. I don't know if they're expanded from that yet.

0:11:13 Lydia: Don't think so I DON'T think they've talked expansion expansion yet.

0:11:16 Thomas: But there's a professional league. Women's hockey has been great. I love watching the women's every single time there's the Winter Olympics. The U.S. team is great. It's just actually fucking amazing fantastic I'm watching the u .s games I'm watching the canada games and team amazing this is I quickly was like oh I'm more into this because our team is so fucking good um historic dominance of the women's team the

0:11:25 Lydia: Just so dominant. Yeah oh my god that freaking game I'm just like I'm remembering the end of it sorry it's just crazy.

0:11:43 Thomas: Well we gotta start at the beginning we're going through every single get no I'm just kidding but the amount of that the u s dominated I can't even even describe and I'm I'm this for a reason because final the is that much better knowing how much the women dominated the women in before the medal round allowed one goal they won five to one five to nothing five to nothing five to nothing one in the tournament and by the way one of the five to nothings was Canada we beat the shit out of Canada now they were missing a a good a very good player one of the best players but in hockey one player doesn't make your whole team um

0:11:46 Lydia: Play by play. Yeah, yeah. Cool. Yeah. That level, no.

0:12:20 Thomas: So beating them five nothing was that was crazy like I decided that I'm not going to you women for trump I'm unabashedly team fucking usa when it comes to the women I'm wearing a goddamn flag around my as a as a yeah Yeah, exactly. Fuck it. I can't root for the men. Also, they're Trumpy and fuck it. I hate our country. But when it comes to women, that doesn't count. I'm all about USA women.

0:12:33 Lydia: He's painted his face. They're all beautiful and perfect.

0:12:46 Thomas: Yeah, they are amazing, except there's one that's a Trumper, but we'll not talk about that. Or maybe we will. I don't know. Was so fun rooting for them and the domination. I mean, just the pure the teams had no chance.

0:12:48 Lydia: Whatever.

0:12:57 Thomas: It wasn't it wasn't like it was close and we just happened to get more goals. It was like they weren't even the other teams weren't playing the same game and so we get to this final where it's like okay we have dominated so much um our team usa team usa is young team canada is very old I saw a lot of the canadians complaining they're like this is after they lost five nothing to us in the in the pool or whatever they're like god we're we're yeah we're totally no they're mad yeah they're mad at like the organ the people who um are in charge of the olympic team like the national team and all that they're like yeah they're just have all these old players I believe it like this is you know we need to fire these people in charge of this team like team canada for women's was just they were just it a disarray and team team america team usa couldn't be flying higher our players are like freaking in their teens practically so

0:12:56 Lydia: Mm hm. Yeah. Tired. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

0:13:42 Thomas: Good I mean we got some vets obviously some really good veterans but young team I mean it's just riding high we go through we beat every team first round we beat italy six nothing that's italy who cares? They don't really play hockey. Is a good hockey country. Semi -final, we beat Sweden 5 -0. We still have allowed one goal in this entire tournament. One goal. I mean, it's unheard of. I mean it's just like the domination. And so we get to this Canada gold medal game, US versus Canada. And I'm, you know, anything can happen any given Sunday. Day but I'm

0:14:13 Lydia: Never know. I mean, like we're talking about two of the best countries when it comes to hockey.

0:14:18 Thomas: But we were so much better and so I'm sitting here thinking we got this we got this and

0:14:20 Lydia: Know, I know. But you never know, you never never know yeah

0:14:23 Clip: Come inside Santa Julia Arena the winner will take the gold the United States and Canada they meet for the seventh time in eight gold medal games in women's hockey Canada has won the gold five times and the United State's twice the USA has beaten them the last seven times they have meet that dating backs the world championships but we We are down to a one -game tournament, no matter what has happened up to this moment, it's the next 60 minutes that will make or break this team's legacy.

0:14:57 Thomas: Then the game happens and instantly you remember how much pressure is a part of it how much experience and and then I was starting to think like shit maybe maybe Canada was onto something maybe having these old experienced players I mean our team looked nervous they just just weren't doing the same things they were doing in the other rounds they were just not there and I was like fuck are we really gonna lose this poor amazing u .s women's team that deserves so much and

0:15:16 Lydia: On the passes and stuff yeah oh

0:15:24 Clip: Boss to the puck for Canada. Up the boards. And out of the zone. Played by Stacey. Will Canada shorthand it? Laura Stacey across. O 'Neal scores! Shorthanded. Canada takes a one. The first goal of this game was more more important to Canada than the U .S., and they get it. This is big for them. Great move by Stacey to come down, and then O 'Neal with a good finish. What they do is they take advantage of Team USA, who got too deep.

0:16:00 Thomas: It's one to nothing canada the whole time it wasn't like usa played bad they allowed one goal on a I think a breakaway I believe it was or am I confusing with the men's

0:16:09 Lydia: I think that was and that was early right it was early in the game yeah

0:16:10 Thomas: It was early uh yes yeah I think that was it and but we just just couldn't get past this goalie we couldn't score it's hard to score in hockey it's hard to do and then when the pressure ramps up you know because scoring is often a thing you got to do with finesse yeah

0:16:22 Lydia: Yeah you start to feel a little more desperate as the clock winds down right I've never played hockey but I I understand like a little bit of the mental just because of like watching you play for a long time I've been a Sharks fans since 08, I want to say, 2008, and so longer than you. And yeah, I

0:16:37 Thomas: It's and she even watches some of the games guys don't

0:16:40 Lydia: Used to watch all of them.

0:16:41 Thomas: You dare flex your fandom on me name a one shark name one shark that's not Celebrini or Will Smith name a shark not named Celebrini go do it right now don't don't you Google?

0:16:44 Lydia: Back then, back then, Celebrini. Eklund.

0:16:53 Thomas: Okay. You did. You got Eklund. Did you do that yourself?

0:16:55 Lydia: I did that myself.

0:16:56 Thomas: Good job.

0:16:56 Lydia: Thank you you so much to foley of course part

0:16:57 Thomas: I'll give you credit. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. To fully, oh, I wanted to talk about, I want to talk about Toff Toffin Winberg.

0:17:00 Lydia: Of the part of the little triplets yeah oh wenberg

0:17:02 Thomas: We should, I'm glad you remembered that because that is actually important. I do want to talk about that because it's, remind let, me to get to the examples. There right.

0:17:10 Lydia: Okay good like the desperation starts to

0:17:15 Thomas: And, you're desperate and you're having to play so hard. That's what I love about hockey is the combination. I don't know if there's another sport quite like this, where you have to be killing yourself, trying so hard and then do finesse things often like football. Yeah. Okay. There's throwing, catching, but like, you A lot of times you're just running. You're just trying to pound the ball forward that of like yeah imagine being desperate like you're just like god I gotta score gotta win gotta win that might lend itself unless you're me and you have an anxiety disorder and gives you a heart attack if you're not me that might lend itself to like I'm just gonna pound something hard I'm just gonna go go go do

0:17:15 Lydia: Get to you as the clock winds down and you start doing things a little crazy like yeah

0:17:53 Thomas: That in hockey it does help in some situations but you also have to make really delicate passes and shots and stuff and like it's It's it's such a there's so many times that I, as an amateur hockey player, my ass off to a puck, which feels to me like it's really fast. And I'm skating hard. I get there and then like I try to do something with it. And because I'm so pumped on the like of trying to get there. And beat the person to the puck. Then I do something way too hard. Like I'll pass it like way over someone because like, oh, I forgot to switch to the like fucking finesse mode. It's really hard. And so that can.

0:18:27 Lydia: That energy into the wrists at that point

0:18:29 Thomas: Yeah, I've totally I've thrown a pass like way over a person because of that, because it's really hard. Like it's the presence of mind you need. So often this is going to happen. You push you want to push harder. And this team, this U .S. women's team is so good. You want to Push harder that it took until the last second six on five. We pull our goalie and then all all of a sudden we

0:18:46 Clip: Keller, Edwards, Janicki, there's Keller. Now Janicki plays the puck. The United States net is empty.

0:18:59 Clip: Now Edwards. Across to Keller. Back down to Edwards. Edwards with a shot. Score! How about this? From a face -off win, Hilary Knight, the captain, five -time Olympian, with that goal, becomes the all -time leader in women's Olympic goal scoring and point scoring history. And it is a beautiful tip. And they finally get one one pass. Pass. And Rene' Debian. Desperation mode. Team USA tied the game. The game.

0:19:41 Thomas: It was, uh, what's her name is the D no, it Was the D that shot it. Um, Layla Edwards, Layna Yeah, Yeah. Yep.

0:19:44 Lydia: That shot it. Yeah. Black female Olympian women's. Yeah yeah.

0:19:49 Thomas: For USA women's for sure. She had been struggling. I was a little worried. Like she seemed like she was pretty nervous. She was great during the tournament, but then, you know, I was like, Oh, you know it, I, I can't understand how anyone could do any of this. I would have seven heart attacks just walking into the building. So it's not a judgmental thing. I was just like, damn, I feel bad for them. I'm like, oh some players that just have it and and, thrive under the pressure. And there's something that like, you can tell like, they just aren't the same. They aren't the same under that intense pressure. And believe me, I get it. I can't believe anyone can do anything under that pressure. It's so hard. So Leila Edwards having kind of not a great game until that last, last second. I she shoots from the point, I believe, if I'm remembering correctly. And then of course, was uh, hillary knight tipped it in and they tie it last minute so this whole game and and here's what I wanted to say the reason I wantedto build this up too is as good as the usa women's has been and it's been fucking phenomenal it's Been such a thrill to see how good they are I am someone I just I just love greatness I love watching people doing incredible things. Like, it's just cool. Like we're only here on this fucking planet once. A lot of people who are anti -sports, but I just love watching the, I'll watch the best people do anything. I don't

0:20:53 Thomas: Care what it, I don'T care what their thing is. Yeah. It's pretty boring, but I will watch almost, oh, well, curling is just great. Like it's, it'S, that's not even like an ironic thing. It'S just a cool sport. I like it. Didn't watch much of it, butI would have, I mainly just couldn't find the time, but II will watch the BEST people at anything. Thing. And especially stuff like this, when the more people who care about it, the better, because that means the more best you're getting, you know, you're giving like around the world. You're getting like the actual humanity's best at something.

0:20:53 Lydia: Bowling curling you watched curling yeah yeah right

0:21:19 Thomas: I find it just amazing to watch that. So I'm sitting here. I'm just as bummed as I am that I'm virtually certain the U .S. is going to lose because it's been one to nothing for the whole game. It's so hard to score. I'm also sitting here being like fucking Canada, like I got to hand it to them like Like, it lost in the fact that they eventually, did obviously, lose the game. But that might have been the most historic performance in and of itself because of how much they should have lost by.

0:21:19 Lydia: Yeah yeah

0:21:42 Thomas: They should have just been destroyed by the U .S. But they were so good. Like, the that they showed between and the game, that like, is, in itself, that would have been The Story forever. And it should still be. Like the fact that they lost, it like should still be the story. It was incredible how well they did. And so I'm just sitting here like, this is just the best. This is the best I love it. I love the sport. I love these women. I live watching it. And of course, Keller in overtime with just this incredible move. I mean, this this move that just like objectively speaking, just nice to watch around

0:22:14 Clip: On the ice. The outlet pass for Keller, a defenseman. Nice move. Cuts to the net. Score!

0:22:31 Lydia: Again you you said was having kind of a tough game as well that's

0:22:33 Thomas: I think so. I can't remember now, but but it might it might've been.

0:22:36 Lydia: What I recall while we were watching it yeah

0:22:38 Thomas: Because kind of everyone was like, Canada was doing a great job and, the you USA women did not look like themselves. And so, oh God, she wins. I was screaming my face off.

0:22:41 Lydia: Man it was so good yeah yeah

0:22:46 Thomas: I couldn't even believe I was crying. I was like this is the greatest thing. So good.

0:22:47 Lydia: We watched the whole medal ceremony

0:22:50 Thomas: Going to cry right now. God damn it. It's so good. Was so good and Hillary Knight having having proposed the night before. Ah, so good, and so it's such, it's this this celebration of women, of queerness, of everything, everything that Trump and MAGA, sorry, everything, that Trump, and MAG are against it, everything. That's under threat right now. You know, they be more, you groups of people who MAGA and these fucking fucking fascists are are coming down hardest on

0:22:52 Lydia: It was such a move too yeah yeah just denigrate yeah yeah

0:23:23 Thomas: Like the most excellence of anyone in our fucking country. God, sorry. Give me a sec. Pure bliss, just pure bliss. The men's, I'm not going to talk much about the men'S, uh, I was rooting for my beautiful, amazing boy, Macklin Salbrini so much to take away. I'm going to waste too much time, but the fact that this 19 year old was like the, one of the best players on a team that most goals. Yeah. Yeah, not most points, but most goals on team that was historically stacked like so good. So that was fun. But then they lose the fucking Americans. And this wasn't like this wasn'T like the Team Canada thing where actually Team Canada and the men's dominated the game. It's just the goalie played phenomenally, just a phenomenal game. Lot of that's down to luck, but it's also skill. He's really good. Hella buck is really good um had a hell of a time in the playoffs he hasn't been good he he plays great the usa wins and for a second I was like okay do I I guess you I'm really bummed but like okay I'll maybe I'll

0:23:28 Lydia: Yeah top scorer yeah yeah like good

0:24:25 Thomas: Feel good for a Second like maybe I was okay you know it has been since 1980 miracle on ice the hughes brothers seem cool a

0:24:25 Lydia: Game good game yeah yeah well and it was cool yeah yeah exactly the Hughes brothers seemed cool and and there was this you Hughes took took kind of a high stick to the face

0:24:36 Thomas: High stick from the player I hear yeah they almost made me like them because the player I hate the most on team canada this fucking dickwad, Sam Bennett, who just hurts people. Sticks, Jack Hughes in the face. He loses teeth in the gold medal game.

0:24:50 Lydia: They fall to the ground like it's disgusting there's blood it's it's gross

0:24:54 Thomas: And that power play, I think, is pretty much one of the reasons that I think I can't remember. You know, I guess they didn't score on it. But again, it's a late power play means we're short.

0:25:01 Lydia: But but Hughes ended up being yeah yeah

0:25:05 Thomas: Like I say, we means Team Canada was short for a critical two minutes of the last five couple minutes or something like like that so you know for a second I was like you know maybe okay well

0:25:14 Lydia: And and Jack Hughes with like lost his teeth and stuff stayed in the game and ended up scoring scoring the the game -winning goal exactly so it was like like a beautiful little story that we got towards the end of the game

0:25:20 Thomas: The game -winning goal incredible move yeah and they talk about you know the Hughes's right it's the Hughes's mom is involved in in women's hockey in the women's team and and you know and they seem to be supportive of each other it's like you now maybe maybe we'll all let myself kind of it may just it's a little bad me I'm pretty mad I hate seeing the fucking Kachuk celebrate anything I I can't stand those guys.

0:25:29 Lydia: Ellen Hughes she's player development for uh -huh yep yeah

0:25:44 Thomas: They seem very MAGA to me. I'm like, all right, maybe. And then within seconds, within minutes, I turned it off because I'm not going to listen to our fucking anthem. That's where I draw the line.

0:25:44 Lydia: It was so quick Yeah.

0:25:56 Thomas: I said, I'm going to sit through this metal ceremony. So I turn it off and then I start seeing on social media. Do we see?

0:26:02 Lydia: Fucking Kash Patel is their locker room drinking beer with them. They're all screaming. I don't care that they're drinking beer, that they'RE celebrating in their locker room. Why the fuck is Kash Patil there?

0:26:05 Thomas: In the fucking locker room course. Yeah. Yeah.

0:26:15 Lydia: And I was like, I bothered by this. I remember I messaged you and you're like, well, you know, like he really likes hockey. I'm like, like, I don't care.

0:26:21 Thomas: I wasn't saying, well, you know, he really likes. I was explaining why he was there. It is a weird thing.

0:26:24 Lydia: But why he was there. I know. But I was like, I don't care. Like, like hockey. You' re not there. It' s so stupid.

0:26:32 Thomas: I know. It's just like if Todd Holman was there, it would be like, why is, yeah, I was just giving you the, oh, Tom, if Tom, too many Todds on the brain.

0:26:37 Lydia: You call him Todd? We talked a lot about Todd on

0:26:41 Thomas: If Tom Holman were there, yeah. I was giving you like the explanation for why he made that happen. I wasn't saying like, it's okay.

0:26:41 Lydia: OA. Yeah, no. And I don't

0:26:48 Thomas: I fucking hated it.

0:26:49 Lydia: T disagree with that. Yeah but it was just like I was so pissed off like I know

0:26:53 Thomas: Was juste giving you information. Don't go after me for this. I didn't do this. I don't support this.

0:26:57 Lydia: Kash Patel likes hockey I know he plays rec league his stupid fucking beer league and I know I know,

0:27:00 Thomas: He also goes to the Capitals games. I forgot if you knew that, sorry. Didn't mean to, wasn't trying to.

0:27:05 Lydia: I'll never forget that his weirdo eyes are hockey player eyes like that and Patrick Marleau eyes can exist in the same world is insane to me like you are not allowed to play hockey with eyes like Kash Patil. Blasphemy.

0:27:08 Thomas: I fucking hate him. They come, yeah. That was bad enough, but it was like, okay, fucking, all right, fine, whatever. I was pretty quickly was like I hate this, but and then, no,

0:27:25 Lydia: I didn't get over it, but that's okay.

0:27:27 Thomas: I was mad. But what I'm saying is it didn't like ruin my day, but I was like this sucks. And then we get the fucking worst thing you

0:27:35 Lydia: So Kash Patel pulls out his phone and calls DT on his caller ID there, Donald Trump. And

0:27:42 Thomas: So there's a lot of stuff that happened in this locker room. Kash Patel wearing a gold medal. They are singing, it's courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue, the Angry American subtitle by Toby Keith 2002. And all these fuckers are singing the words. So a bad sign that's a red flag yeah I might have heard it when we were bombing Iraq like I kind of remember that of the red white I mean just bullshit like that's a that's bad sign and and then uh said calls Trump yeah

0:27:57 Lydia: So weird. Never heard that song in my life. Yeah. Coolest Night.

0:29:25 Clip: Thank you, Mr. President. To

0:30:03 Thomas: Fuck you fuck you he's gonna have to invite the team that um way fucking better and beat the living shit out of all the competition it's just it's it's so sad you so that that it was so bad that it was like oh okay this this like they failed so spectacularly and the whole internet was dragging them so badly, I was like, oh, that makes me feel better about Canada losing. I was, like, okay. At least they instantly became the villains for most people.

0:30:05 Lydia: So freaking dumb. Right, right. Yeah yeah. It was it It was honestly remarkable, like how quickly that day just went from feeling like really good.

0:30:43 Thomas: Yeah, I saw it on the internet, too. Like, people, yeah, people were, like... Okay, those Hughes brothers, you know, they see... And that's the other thing. We were trying to judge beforehand, you now, and we were trying talk about it, because, like,... What bright sides are there? And, you, know, we had talked about, like..., Well, the Hughes brothers had the Pride Tape thing, right or you know even

0:31:01 Lydia: Yeah. Quinn Hughes was one of the ones that came out and continued to do like Pride Night, even though the NHL tried to ban it. Yeah.

0:31:07 Thomas: They tried to ban it because yeah I can't bring politics

0:31:11 Lydia: He was like, no, this is important. You know, I'm going to show up and show out kind of thing.

0:31:11 Thomas: Into things you know yeah and so it was like okay maybe you know maybe not all that so bad and then and then this happens and this is just this is it's just awful it's Just awful yeah

0:31:27 Lydia: It was so silent for such a long time, it felt. Was waiting for USA Hockey to say something because like the backlash was pretty swift. It was, pretty I messed up. I majority of people were pretty upset online, at least in our circles and stuff.

0:31:41 Thomas: I don't know how to judge that anymore I don't know but yeah there definitely was a backlash people were upset

0:31:47 Lydia: I was so surprised that I, even getting statements together for this now I was surprised how quiet it still has been and like we've gotten barely anything like in terms of substance um even just to get that little bit it feels like it's impossible for anyone to even come forward and say anything it's been just really dry it sucks yeah

0:32:07 Thomas: In every in every way, shape and form. I To be reasonable. I tried to understand. Okay, there's a lot of people who just aren't into politics. I get Yes, the Kachucks and some other fucking fuckwits through MAGA, like whatever. But maybe I just had to I'm just trying to I've just pleading.

0:32:21 Lydia: Said like close the northern border like that person's that person is clued into some some amount of politics I

0:32:22 Thomas: I'm yeah, I could see that meant as a joke in a way that that that might not be horrible, but also you don't know. You don't fucking know.

0:32:33 Lydia: Guess yeah also cash patel's in your your locker room so if you don't want about politics then maybe don't have cash patel in your lockerroom

0:32:37 Thomas: You can't joke about any immigration fucking topic next to laughing along with the fascists who have like citizens and stuff like it's just yeah, it's it's horrific. Horrific, but I'm trying to think like, okay, you some of them, they just are those kinds of people that just don't really pay attention and you win and the president of your country calls. I, I, you Know, you're carried away with emotion. I could see being, I could see the part where you're like, Okay, this is whatever it is. Kind of cool. I guess if you, again, if you're not political and you know I'm just trying, just bargaining, I'm Just trying to think like maybe not all of I'm Trying to bargain into maybe not All of them are the worst fucking You know, and then this joke happens. Then I could say, OK, I get in the heat of the moment in a situation like that. Don't blame people for for like I'm not expecting anyone to turn into a woke Aaron Sorkin speech like that's just not going to happen. It's not going to happen. But I think it did. I think like it did genuinely catch them off guard. Like I think, you know,

0:33:35 Thomas: The guys like two for two, like they, when the first brought up, they were saying celebratory things about the women's team. I think That pretty much everyone in that locker room, if not everyone supports the women's U.S. hockey team.

0:33:29 Lydia: I agree oh

0:33:48 Thomas: Not necessarily about that, they, that's the end of understanding what what I can't believe hasn't happened is that there hasn't been a single to my mind, and you've checked on this and going to get kind of, I guess, an update because I haven't checked on it in a while. The fact that, okay, in the heat of the moment, fine, whatever. But now the dust has settled. Is anyone going to say anything like an apology or even a statement that would make this okay, that would would, that would show that you understand how shitty and sexist this is. Because what's the joke? The joke Trump's making? Someone to riddle me the joke. The joke is fucking women. I can't believe they allow them to play sports. Like what? There's no other

0:33:47 Lydia: A hundred percent that's all they'll tell you too with their statements by the way yeah

0:34:34 Thomas: Punchline.

0:34:35 Lydia: Gonna have to invite them too sorry guys

0:34:36 Thomas: Going to have to invite the gold medal women's amazing team. Fucking sorry.

0:34:41 Lydia: Gonna haveto share the space with them because if you dont then they'll have my head

0:34:44 Thomas: And he's apologizing to the men as though they are going to having a problem with it, you know?

0:34:49 Lydia: Yeah.

0:34:49 Thomas: And I know Trump is joking, but that's where the joke comes from. The joke doesn't make sense without the sexist backing assumptions behind it. It's not legible without the Sexism behind it, so I'm just hoping. Give me somebody. I'm like maybe the Hughes brothers, who, by the way, as we said, their mom works with the team. I was thinking, okay, surely, surely someone is going to say something that is at least like, okay. I'll give them a half a point of credit for trying. Surely. But what did we get? You've checked.

0:35:19 Lydia: Yeah, I'll send you a couple things. We can just play through a couple of these guys and see if anything lands for you. What do you think? Right. First up, Austin Matthews.

0:35:30 Thomas: This next part of the show will be me slowly losing respect for people that I used to love to watch play stuff.

0:35:39 Clip: Don't like to get political or get into that kind of stuff. I mean, like I said, we're proud Americans. And, you know, winning a gold medal, it's been 46 years since the men's hockey team has done that. So, I mean the team that wins the Stanley Cup every year accepts the White House invitation to go. So, I mean, I just think it's something that you do because we are proud Americans and whatever your political beliefs may be. I mean hopefully something like this will, you know, hopefully bring more unity to the country and stuff like that.

0:36:09 Thomas: What?

0:36:09 Clip: But, I meantime, for us we believe it's a great honor no matter who's in office. Sometimes your phone call to you kind of elicits a negative reaction because of how you mentioned the women's team. I know you guys became very close with that team there. I'm just wondering your thoughts on that. Yeah, it was unfortunate. I mean, we you know, we love women's team. We support them. I mean the night we won the gold medal we were Hanging out in the dining hall till like 3 4 in the morning.

0:36:09 Lydia: It won't, Austin. Yeah.

0:36:25 Thomas: Yeah, it's unfortunate.

0:36:32 Clip: So, you know it's unfortunate that you know that kind of occurred you know we have nothing but love and respect for the women's and and what they were able to accomplish and You know, it's amazing that you have the men's and women's ice hockey teams We're both bringing home gold medals for the United States of America, and I think that should be talked about more than you know the other but we're extremely proud of them and happy for them and we support them 100 percent you

0:36:32 Lydia: You're going to hear that from everybody, by the way. Hmm, yeah.

0:36:36 Thomas: It's unfortunate, uh -huh. Yeah, It's Unfortunate. What's unfortunate? What happened? Me what happened. What is the thing that is unfortunate? Somebody tell me. Oh you know is an accident that what like what what's the unfortunate thing I I want to know what he thinks it is is

0:37:15 Lydia: That's the thing, because they don't want to talk about it because they don't actually I I think what they think is unfortunate is the backlash.

0:37:21 Thomas: That anyone cared yeah they think it's unfortunate that like I think in their minds to give them credit and I don't mean to give him tons of credit but just to just like to be fair I bet bet he doesn't from his point of view he's he's saying clearly I don'T agree with the sentiment. So it's unfortunate that happened because now it's put the focus on something that we don't agree. But it's not just an unfortunate thing that happened. Part that is driving me crazy is that no one anywhere ever is allowed to expect anything from the president of the United States.

0:37:53 Thomas: He just gets to be an unfortunate. It's unfortunate. Darn. Bummer that that happened no gets to say yeah no I even if you said yeah I thought it was pretty cool that the president we were talking to the president until he said that fucking shit what was that what was what a normal human being reaction be if you were a normal like who gave a shit in a like in a social situation you'd be like what why are you joking like that what are you talking about why would we not why would you not invite the wimstein they won they fucking rule what do you mean what do You mean sir I wish you could do the thing I know I don't blame him in the moment again I don'

0:38:00 Lydia: Bummer that someone caught it on camera. Exactly exactly

0:38:32 Thomas: T there's no way and like I would never have the presence of mind in that kind of moment yeah the president on the phone but later collect yourself and say you know yeah that sucks that he said that that was a bad thing to say someone just show bare bare minimum of saying, yeah, that wasn't a good thing to say. I I'm not super into going to the White House now because he said that. Just would love a single person to say anything like what any other human what what anyone should say in a situation like this, which is, yeah, that was a shitty thing to say.

0:38:32 Lydia: Like winning a gold medal you're celebrating with your teammates like no way. Maybe Brady Kachuk will get a little closer.

0:39:08 Thomas: Please. Yeah, that's yeah, I should you know what I should give my rubric before, you know, before we go through this. Me some I will I will grade this fucking team on such a curve. I will I will let you fucking do a drawing for extra credit in this class like all you have to say is yeah that was a messed up thing to say any anything anything like that was yeah that was a bad thing to say he don't hopefully you could even say yeah I think he was trying to make a joke but yeah that was a bad thing to say I don't I don't like I mean it's messed up it's anything give me the slightest the slightest condemnation of the thing that was said.

0:39:41 Lydia: Let's see what he does.

0:39:42 Thomas: Okay. All right. Let's go. Let us deal with another one. Here we go.

0:39:45 Clip: Know you supported their semi -final kk talking about you abby murphy would you understand how they could feel pretty put down by that moment I I I mean I yeah I mean I get it I think um yeah I don' t really of course where I have no really other comments other than for the things that we can control and that was we supported them, they supported us can't control about what other people say, that's just kind of life itself but for us I thought not just the importance but it was fun being around them, it was fun seeing them play, it Was fun to see the excellence that they brought every single game and how they're by far the best team in that tournament. It was just fun hanging out with them after, picking their brains, they were picking our brains and it was just fun to be around them. Them. So then why would you go out?

0:40:37 Clip: I mean, I don't really have an answer.

0:40:40 Thomas: Good on that journalist.

0:40:41 Clip: Honestly, it was just a whirlwind of a moment that you can't really control what somebody says and it just I guess caught off guard a little bit but when you're talking to the president ten minutes after you just achieve your dream It's it's just the fact that you're talking to them It's just you can't really believe where your life's at that you talk to the President of the United States after you just won a gold medal

0:40:41 Lydia: Yeah, she's amazing.

0:41:15 Clip: Yeah, I mean I I don't know if Because everybody's kind of gone to their respective seasons and their plan and obviously if I see one of them then we'll just talk about I mean the excitement of of what we are to control, and that's to be gold medalists and champions of the world. So I know it's not just, you know, the men's team and the women's team separately are going to be linked together forever. There's both teams that I think this is the first time that the U .S. has gone two for two in the Olympics as, you now, a hockey champ. So we're kind of linked together for the rest of of the year. Did the year. Did you ever think that all of this would be so polarized? I mean, I definitely didn't. For me it's achieved my childhood dream and a lot of the guys in the room achieve their childhood dreams that just have that memory together I mean I know I wasn't thinking about you know the politics of it because they were the guys on the ice playing sacrificing our bodies and do whatever it takes to win and all that other stuff that can't control and can't do anything about it but some

0:41:57 Thomas: Wait, but isn't it unfortunate? I appreciate how much they tried to actually get an answer. I do appreciate that.

0:42:25 Lydia: They pushed on him. The most, like opinion he has, like the hardest stance he's willing to take, is when they ask him about the AI video that the White House posted of him and like making fun of Canada.

0:42:38 Thomas: Was the video exactly?

0:42:39 Lydia: Was basically him him in quotes saying negative things about Canada. The White House posted it on their social media accounts. If you go to 932, we'll get the question leading up to it and how Brady feels about it.

0:42:53 Thomas: Okay. I have a prediction

0:42:55 Lydia: Now compare and contrast it.

0:42:55 Thomas: That he will be much better on this. Yeah.

0:42:58 Clip: The White House posted a fake video of you saying derogatory things about Canada. How do you feel about that? Yeah, Yeah, well, it's clearly fake because it's not my voice and not my lips moving. So, I mean, I'm not in control of any of those accounts. And, yeah, so I know that those words will never come out of my mouth, so I can't do anything about it. Do you like it? Do I like it like that?

0:43:16 Thomas: Yeah. No one thought you were.

0:43:25 Clip: Did I like it? I mean it's not my voice not what I was saying so yeah I mean I would never say that that's not who I am so yeah, I guess I don't like that video because that's just never would come out of my mouth, never a thought and I'll leave it at that.

0:43:28 Thomas: That's not the question. Is it so hard to have an opinion?

0:43:42 Lydia: Yeah, so it

0:43:43 Thomas: Why? Why leave it at that? So he actually wasn't much better, but

0:43:46 Lydia: Much better, but it was a little he he eventually said I didn't like it.

0:43:49 Thomas: He was able to say... Oh, he did eventually say, I didn't like it.

0:43:52 Lydia: That's from my reading of the transcript on this, yeah he

0:43:55 Thomas: Okay. Okay. Yeah, and the difference is is men. Is going to go home and play on a team where a bunch of men that he plays with are from the country that the fake video is slamming. He plays in Canada.

0:44:07 Lydia: For Ottawa he plays in Canada

0:44:09 Thomas: I didn't think about that. I forgot which team he played for. Yeah. But think beyond that, yes, be in his mind, he's like, wait, the affected by this are are people I give a shit about. Give a shit about women's or, you know, liberals reaction to anything. Oh, wait a minute.

0:44:19 Lydia: -hmm but these are my brothers

0:44:23 Thomas: Yeah, this is something I actually do care about this because a man will be affected by it. That's what I think is going on there. And maybe by their read, something like Canada can be less quote unquote politics than, you joke at the expense of women.

0:44:24 Lydia: This is the brotherhood yeah yeah mmhmm

0:44:39 Thomas: It's still not great again, because his Lord and Savior, probably Donald Trump, you You can't you can't criticize. He has to be talked about. Here's the thing that drives me nuts about this. And it's been true of Trump from the beginning, but especially with this. We get to treat the president of the United States like a baby who is shit a diaper. You get to talk about the the guy who runs the country as like, yeah, boy, it sucks that that baby shit his diaper when we're celebrating. Yeah, it stunk. Mean, you I can't control it. Does stink that, you know, there was a baby shit a diaper. Not a sense in which you can be like, yes, the thing that this sentient human did who can make choices and by the way, is in control of the country was bad.

0:44:39 Lydia: Mmhmm yeah with kid gloves yeah messed

0:45:23 Thomas: The thing he said was bad and

0:45:24 Lydia: Up showed poor leadership and I I not support those statements so

0:45:28 Thomas: Me think less of him as As a person, like this is just you don't have to be the woke mafia. You just got to be like, yeah, that's not cool. You can. I would even again, I'm grading on such a curve. I would because this is fucking athletes. It's NHL players. Give me somebody who said, yeah. You know, I really process it in real time. But yeah, no, I wouldn't have laughed at that. I don'T think that's a good joke. Did wonder if by the time we're done here, you're going to have any good examples of that, but I'll leave that aside. I also, there's something that I want to see if you think is valid. There's something I can't help but notice. Maybe my woke ass is reading too much into it, but I just feel like as a society, we are all, and I think this happens on a micro relationship level, on an interpersonal level. I think it happens at a societal level. You know, I've kind of talked about this before in different terms, but I can't help but hear how many ways we desperately want it to be OK for the men. Like when

0:46:32 Thomas: We're mad at a woman as a society, we just want to be mad at her. We're just like, fuck this person. Sucks.

0:46:38 Lydia: They can they can never make it right.

0:46:40 Thomas: No, it's impossible. But with the men, she's like, yeah, we know we know you love you. Like they started the Brady Kachuk one. And I think that questioner was doing it. This is not at all to besmirch the questioner. I think she was doing a good job and I think she was kind of doing what she has to do because of our stupid society. But you have to be like, hey, we we know you support the women's team. And but like, can you you understand why that would have, you know, been a little offense? Like we're desperate to make it OK for them to do their job for them.

0:47:10 Lydia: Don't disagree. I think there's also another angle to the way that she's framing that question. And that's we see that same exact rhetoric from every single one of these players. It's like, you know, we really we love and respect the women's team. You know, know we're always supporting them and and I think she's cutting it off I think I think there's a strategy to that

0:47:21 Thomas: That could be that could be that can be so you show she's like cutting that off ahead of time. No, that could be. I totally could be, I think, I you're probably right just because I really liked her interviewing. I don't know who that is. Just, you know what I should, just to give people, hold on.

0:47:33 Lydia: She's just like a local Ottawa lady

0:47:37 Thomas: I want to give people some basis of comparison. Hockey interviews are terrible. They are the worst. That right there, I was actually going to make the joke. That though it was like a bad answer from Brady I was actually gonna joke like this is actually the best hockey interview I've ever heard in my life because they're normally so fucking bad that well and not just the hockey players the hockey players are bad they're boring I'm questions are also so fucking awful they're like so how do you feel about your goalie tonight it'll just be that it's just nothing there's and even when they're trying to be like contentious it'll be like Like, so do you feel really disappointed that you didn't win the Stanley Cup? It's like, yes, yes.

0:47:52 Lydia: Like oh that's kind of media savvy yeah yeah yeah

0:48:16 Thomas: It's, like, they're terrible. Like, hockey interviews are notoriously terrible. So to hear that person that you played, that interview, she sounded really good. I wonder if it's, oh, Ottawa is probably more of a hockey market. It could also be, like in the United States, we kind of have, like the dregs. We don't have, fucking Walter Cronkite on our hockey interviews, but they're notoriously bad. I think she was doing a great job. You're probably right. Right. But I do think broadly speaking, though, I do think we are doing that, though.

0:48:31 Lydia: The who couldn't cut it for NFL yeah Yeah. Yeah.

0:48:42 Thomas: I think so many people when when it's a woman, we're just like, hey, do you know you suck? Will be the question when it'S a man. It's like, Hey, you you probably didn't mean it. And and like, you know, we know you're just so great. But like and you're awesome. But like, could you maybe do you sort of get why other people might think?

0:48:43 Lydia: I don't disagree. Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah. You put yourself in their shoes for a little bit, like could you also see and you're kind of feeding them the answer a little bit too? Yeah.

0:49:08 Thomas: Bar yeah the bar is so fucking low it's so fucking low it because it really could be in another like in a just world I think it would be hey man what the fuck like you just heard a pedophile a guy who's in the Epstein files and is likely fucked kids you heard him make a joke that the always gonna have to invite the women who by the way are way fucking better than you like just relative speaking like way better and and you guys laughed along with that like what the fuck like that that's if it were a just world that's the tone it should be maybe slightly less hostile like give them a chance but it but it we bend over backwards for for dudes

0:49:49 Lydia: Well, you ready to lower the bar a little bit even more?

0:49:52 Thomas: It is it's pretty low

0:49:53 Lydia: Well, because we have another Kachuk brother that we're going to visit. Now we're gonna go.

0:49:57 Thomas: The worst one too I don't know they're both pretty bad what

0:49:59 Lydia: They're both pretty bad. We're gonna going to go see Matthew Kachuk. And he didn't just give an interview, you know, in the locker room during a hockey game, pregame, postgame, whatever. He went on Megyn Kelly.

0:50:10 Thomas: The oh a hockey journalist megan kelly he went on uh networks megan kelley what is he doing I

0:50:14 Lydia: Hockey journalist Megyn Kelley. Completely unbiased, non -political, nonpolitical. Right. Because we don't want to bring politics into this. So let's go on Megy Kelly.

0:50:25 Thomas: I confess since you already I already heard you say that otherwise my natural reaction would have been bigger what the fuck is he doing on megan Kelly she's not a hockey person that I know of maybe am I wrong is she like a a hockey fan this

0:50:39 Lydia: Well, think a hockey fan I think she looks for culture touchstone moments to go viral

0:50:42 Thomas: Is the political thing yeah okay no but I that's the point like it's it would be like I you know I'll allow for maybe it's like oh no it turns out she actually loves hockey and she talks and I'll be like okay maybe

0:50:46 Lydia: Because it is political yes yeah she and cash patella are on the same team

0:50:53 Thomas: Nope it's well they are on the same team but yeah fascism yeah fascism team fascism but that's saying he's going on tucker carlson like so you're already I mean it's barely barely better than Tucker Carlson.

0:50:56 Lydia: Yeah co -ed beer league yeah fascism ice yeah all these people whining about this becoming you know political I don't want to make a political and then you go on yeah the alt -rights megaphone basically yeah so let's go let's go check in with him and her hard -hitting questions

0:51:09 Thomas: I don't want to make it political. I'm just going to go on Steve Hitler's like show. My God. What is he doing on this show? I didn't remember that or I didn' know it

0:51:30 Clip: Is always just the most surreal moment. Like you have no idea that it's it's like we're hockey players and now the president's calling us to congratulate us like just all insane and it's amazing what that what that game did it was such an honor so cool that the President United States was watching our game and just it was it was a surreal moment did you have any hesitation because it didn't sound like it when he said you guys want to come to the State of Union we'll get you on a plane yeah like it to me it was very charming that there didn't need to be a focus group meeting before you gave your answer but did you feel any hesitation before you said yes no I mean just and going off like winning the last few stanley cups like getting invited to the white house no matter who's there it's just the greatest honor as an american one of the greatest honors as an american so everybody on our team was so excited and honored and shocked to get the invite and then they said the state of the union was that night which I guarantee you nobody on our team's been to so another really cool or maybe even ever watched yeah

0:52:36 Clip: Yeah yeah that's it and then um so we had that experience and it was just getting a call getting a called sunday to go to that on tuesday back in the u .s being like how are we gonna get there all right they're sending air force two like it was it couldn't believe it so um just serving a few days so

0:52:40 Lydia: Not wrong yeah

0:52:41 Thomas: Air force 2 isn't that the vice president's one he's probably like he's like hey jd you're not using your fucking plane they're gonna use it okay

0:52:59 Lydia: It's the vice president's jd vance is going commercial back yeah you and osha can fly economy back yeah

0:53:09 Thomas: Yeah you can either stay wherever the hell I don't know where you are I don t you stay where you are or just I guess ride with them somewhere but don't take up too much room freaking jd vance god fuck that guy uh

0:53:22 Clip: President makes this joke about the women's team. And by the way, we've played it on our social media. It's gone totally viral. President Barack Obama made a joke about the men's team when he called the women soccer team after they won. I think it was the World Cup or some big match.

0:53:24 Thomas: What was the joke yeah uh

0:53:39 Clip: But in any event, President Obama did the exact same thing. He did it about the men'S team. It seems we have experience of all hockey teams and soccer and sports teams being able to have a friendly laugh at a presidential joke about members of the opposite sex but with you guys certain people on the left tried to turn it into a capital offense so

0:53:39 Thomas: -huh oh yeah sure no sorry sorry sorry is suggesting that the joke is like ew boys

0:54:01 Lydia: And trying to figure out what,

0:54:10 Thomas: Cooties we don't want those boys around like that's that the way she's putting it is like yeah you know you have just like a little joke at their expense it's like no in either in both those I don't know what the obama thing is did you look it up that

0:54:23 Lydia: I'm just looking it up. So from what I can tell, it says he famously joked that the team taught everyone that, quote, playing like a girl means you're a badass.

0:54:33 Thomas: Can't be what she's talking Otherwise, that has nothing to do with anything.

0:54:35 Lydia: Mean, that's all I'm seeing.

0:54:37 Thomas: All right. Well, that is nothing to anything. So that's her example. That's just plain stupid. Let's there's something we don't know about that was different. But like if there was if he's like, oh, we'll have to invite the men, let's say the joke would still be the sexism that's normally there. You know what I mean? Like in either case, it's not like, oh, we can all make. See, like you get to make jokes about how women's sports suck and then he'll make jokes about how men's sports. It's like, no, the joke in both of those is based on the fact that people are shitty about women's sports. So the joke would be like he's overcompensating or he's doing a joke the other way. That's not really the same. Like it's not like the way she put it where it's like oh you know you know men joke about women that makes it like it's a cooties thing like yeah you just joke that you don't like each other or something that's not what it is yeah

0:55:28 Lydia: That's literally all I'm saying, though, that Obama said.

0:55:30 Thomas: Okay so she just made it up which is probably true yeah

0:55:34 Lydia: Yeah. Well, and in terms of also this idea of like like denigrating women's sports, too, she does that on her main show with Andrew Klavan, which I watched talking about how like no one actually watches women's sport. People watch men's. And why is it a big deal if we celebrate men more than we celebrate women? Because that's what the markets are, basically.

0:55:54 Thomas: Yeah so it'S a shitty thing to say the joke is that joke only works. Trump's comment only works if it's like he doesn't give a shit about the women. And why would you even invite them? That's the only way the joke is even intelligible. We know that that's what he means. Like you can't pretend that's not what he needs.

0:56:13 Lydia: Playing, though.

0:56:14 Clip: How did you learn that this was blowing up into something some very bizarre people wanted to take offense at listen we're I was just telling a story this morning about how close we were with the women's team how we were sharing the same floor on like the third floor the usa building was us in the women team team room or sorry floor and uh like we became super super tight with them over the few weeks we went to their games they went to ours we had like watch parties for other events um a lot of people knew each other from before but getting to know the rest of them and uh yeah like I think it's just all like completely blown up into something that's just not true because we were uh great huge supporters of them they were of us and being able to sweep both gold medals for the first time ever is such an honor one of the highlights honest

0:56:21 Thomas: People.

0:56:27 Lydia: Was telling the story that every single one of them told anytime they were asked about this.

0:56:30 Thomas: Yeah. Of my best friends are women.

0:56:41 Lydia: Yeah. You can stop there.

0:57:03 Clip: To god one of the highlights the

0:57:05 Lydia: So I think this is something that really really frustrating. We mentioned it a little bit before in the show, but it's this idea that like you cheering for the women's team. So then the things that you say behind their backs doesn't matter or

0:57:22 Thomas: That you allow other people to say.

0:57:23 Lydia: You allow other people say and you laugh at their expense. Not a way to excuse away that behavior. Like it just it can't. One is saying that you aren't cheering for the women's team. No one is Saying that you guys didn't get along. No One is saying That you guys weren't hanging out three in the morning in the cafeteria, you know sharing lava cakes That's like the anecdote that they all like to say. I've heard it so many times now so many times It's very annoying. Um that all is true and accurate, however when the opportunity arose rose, when someone else was ragging on the women's team that you say that you love and respect and admire and appreciate, and have grown to love, you know, as fellow hockey players and stuff, when an opportunity presented itself, when Someone Else was ragged on them, you did nothing. You did nothing in the moment, which, again, I'm going to throw you a bone here. I get it. Okay.

0:57:48 Thomas: Oh jesus that's so annoying yeah yeah

0:58:22 Lydia: In the the moment, like I don't, able to turn that on.

0:58:23 Thomas: Yeah I honestly do I can't imagine having the ability to say something in that moment

0:58:28 Lydia: Yeah. I, I'm not here to be mad at you about that.

0:58:28 Thomas: That fast when you're celebrating the most insane gold medal win like not yeah exactly I I like that would have been cool if someone had been like hey what do you mean like imagine how cool that would've been though that person would have Been fucking fucking hero oh my god I would have worshipped that but you know how similar to the bar being low there's there is a good side of that which is like hey man opportunity if any dude wants to not fucking suck the the it's cool that the bar is so low you get to just not suck like when um andy I think it's andy something the tennis player where someone asked his famous clip where someone asks him oh the first american to or the first uh man to do this and he's like like well no uh or the first tennis player to

0:58:39 Lydia: Don, I don' get the joke. Wait, I, don't get it. Yeah yeah.

0:59:01 Lydia: Yes, yes. No, no. He's, he's the first tennis

0:59:10 Thomas: Do this he says oh no first man yeah because because the serena williams or something yeah william sisters yeah yeah if it's simple but hey in this day and age fucking a I it's appreciated yeah

0:59:10 Lydia: Player to do this. First, yeah first man, because the The Williams sisters both did it. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. Again, I also get it. You don't do it in the moment, but it's been a and a half now. There were so many opportunities for you to come out and where you stood. And all I'm hearing is that you love and appreciate the women's team. But then also, right.

0:59:36 Thomas: That wasn't the question yeah yep

0:59:38 Lydia: But then Also, like you don't say anything about this and everyone's trying to make it political. What it's just it's not good enough it's not good and men I our Wokies that are listening to this you guys are amazing you guys are Amazing it is so easy like a conflict averse person one of the best things that I ever learned was like if you hear a joke that you don't like and you don't want to call somebody out and say like like that's racist or something like that you can just say I don't get it can you explain that to me like just play dumb just play dumb and then that That puts them in the position where, I mean, and obviously this isn't going to happen with the president of the United States on the phone exactly.

1:00:15 Thomas: It would have been fucking great

1:00:15 Lydia: It would have been amazing. That's an easy way if you find yourself in a situation where someone is saying something you don't like and trying to make a joke. Just you don'T have to laugh. You can just be like, oh, sorry, I don't get the joke. Can you explain it to me? Then put them in that position. So good.

1:00:16 Thomas: Though god that would have have been great.

1:00:30 Lydia: Oh, so good.

1:00:32 Thomas: Your point and to perhaps expand, it that everyone thinks this was a sign you don't the women's team, but it is a sign that you sure as hell value the comfort of this other man more than you value that team. You don't value them at all. You willing to root for them. Sure. Yeah, I take at their word that they all very much rooted for the women's team and they want them to succeed. I believe all that. I believe that they probably think of them mostly as equals. But if a social situation, just again, picture that you had a black friend. I know it's hard to imagine, Matthew Kachuk, but picture that you had a black friend and you have another friend who is racist and that black friend that you have sees you and this other guy and he makes a horrible racist joke and you laugh and then the guy's like dude what what the fuck your black friend is like what the f**k would your response be like oh no you know that I like you and I'm I'm always I'm always cool with you

1:01:35 Lydia: We go to lunch like I.

1:01:36 Thomas: And I always support you as a friend you'd be like yeah okay but but you're willing to abandon all of that and all of those values the minute that it's this other person comes and says a shitty thing. You're not, you're not willing to, and again, forget calling him out. You'RE not even willing to criticize. You 'Re not even willing to be like after the fact in the safety and the comfort of your own home in this interview or whatever, like, yeah. And even prepare it. I get it. Cause they're, they're athletes, they're conflicted. They're worried about like, Oh, I don't want people. You could even say like, oh, yeah, I don't think I think that was a not hope. You could Even do a kiss ass fucking MAGA version where you still had some amount of dignity and being like, Yeah, Oh, I think he was making a joke. That wasn't I don'T think it was a good joke. He shouldn't have said that. Give me one person. I know I've said it again. Maybe we'll see if we get

1:01:48 Lydia: You want to do like a hyuck hyuck with them. Yeah, or or even written statement. Words. Yep. Yeah mm hmm.

1:02:24 Thomas: There. I'm me one percent to at least have the fucking balls to say, Yeah, that wasn't a good thing to say. Hey, that was kind of a shitty thing. I think he was joking. Even if you want to fucking give him the excuses, because I know these are fucking mag idiots. Give him the excuse. Oh, you know, he just likes, he's an older guy, likes to make jokes. Even give, I'll even allow for that. If someone will give me a, yeah, no, that's a shitty things. That's a good thing to say in any way.

1:02:25 Lydia: Spoilers. Yeah I know. You're going to have to keep listening to find out.

1:02:52 Thomas: Keep waiting. Oh, man.

1:02:58 Lydia: We're going gonna go to Connor Hellebuck yeah and so I clicked on this interview and I thought it was gonna be like a puff piece because it is on the Winnipeg Jets channel but she did ask him about this and so I want to give credit to I guess the Jets franchise because they were like well this is a question that Connor's going to be facing so we might as well attack it now um if you want to to click through I feel like the thing that he did here really pissed me off actually like I I was not pleased uh

1:03:27 Thomas: Let's see.

1:03:29 Clip: American men have won a olympic gold medal in hockey and the team has been celebrated but the team is also faced some criticism since that game and started the post game with the video that came out of comments in the dressing room afterwards and reaction to it you were there in the room can you take take us through kind of what your reaction to all of this was yeah you know we were so excited so like on cloud nine coming in that room and then and then some things unfolded and you know I'm sorry that that's the way that they unfolded um it's it's very unfortunate that the criticism that we're taking for all this because that was not the way we intended it um I myself personally Personally, and I know this

1:04:06 Thomas: What, what things? Okay. Yeah. Unfortunate. What? Imagine if you and I were in an argument, imagine I did something wrong and I'm like, look, I'm sorry for how that, I're sorry for the criticism that you're giving me right now. Like that's nothing, dude. That's literally nothing. That is not even close. You're like, not even, you're not even in the realm of like bad apology that's still bad okay here we go because

1:04:33 Lydia: Empty vacuous hun it gets worse

1:04:43 Clip: Entire team, we used the women's gold medal game as motivation for us to win gold. We were very close with them, and we all celebrated together.

1:04:49 Thomas: We're like if a bunch of girls can do it yeah

1:04:51 Clip: There was no one more excited for when they won than us. Like, we wanted them to win just as badly.

1:05:01 Clip: It's unfortunate that their win is getting overshadowed right now, because what they did was just incredible. Incredible. Their goalie, Erin, she let in two goals.

1:05:07 Lydia: Shut the fuck up stop okay what the their win is getting overshadowed no connor yours is we still love the women what the fuck are you talking about this made me so mad mad the way seriously I I was so pissed off when I heard this I was like how dare you how dare you try and like use women here now as a tool to make people stop going after you guys and asking you guys to be accountable and being like you guys are overshadowing the women's win like we should be focused on their win what the fuck are you talking about we're mad about your win it's It's overshadowing your win, asshole. Jesus Christ. I'm

1:05:21 Thomas: I've never heard you this mad in my life I'm of of the women this is the best keep

1:05:56 Lydia: So mad. So he goes on to give props to the goalie for the women's team. I'm just going to say this. We don't have to listen to freaking Connor Hellebuck anymore. But he says, you know, she had a 98 save percentage. Amazing. Erin, she led in two goals in the entire tournament, has a 98 save percentage, somewhat. In the comments on this says uh he say the women's goalie only led in two goals all tournament and finished with a 98 save percentage wow very cool of him to acknowledge that maybe she should have been considered for the presidential medal of freedom along with connor that would have been impressive seeing both of them receive it at the same time and I was like oh

1:05:57 Thomas: Going I'm here for it I yeah

1:06:29 Lydia: Snaps for that but like fuck that I'm I mean you guys know I don't swear very often sometimes this show gets gets me going. This is maybe the maddest I've been ever. I don't know. I find this disgusting and manipulative. If I were president, I would take away his Medal of Freedom, which he shouldn't have gotten. That's so stupid. Anyway, it's fucked.

1:06:56 Thomas: Yeah, no, I'm glad you pointed that out. That's such a yeah. It's like, hey, don't do this to the women. Should stop criticizing me because it hurts the women and it's a great point

1:07:06 Lydia: Dumb. Everyone has been singing the praises of the women's team in regardless of the bullshit that you guys have been doing everyone including myself has always been like but I love the women usa women's hockey turned off their comments and I found one where the comments were open and I was like hey you guys don't have to turn off your comments we love you guys this is about the men feel free to leave your comments on yeah

1:07:27 Thomas: It's just so it's all it nobody has a will nobody nobody it's oh it's unfortunate that that fucking bird flew in there when we're like what are you talking you they talk they just again it's like a kid shit his diaper like a like a natural event occurred oh yeah it'S a shame that when we were celebrating the you know the lights power went out it's like that's how they talk about it it's unfortunate who could yeah who I mean and then it's unfortunate that we were criticized really how about that was a shitty thing to say you so many layers of better that you could be without even approaching being actually good and that's How far down they are like there are so many better ways they could have been and it still would have been mediocre as fuck

1:07:54 Lydia: You're not listening yeah Yeah. Yeah. Reaction might have been, in my opinion, the worst. I do want to go next to Jack Hughes, because I think this might have been the first sort of response. And again, we were kind of singing his praises a little bit, know, the Hughes brothers and that sort of story. So I was eager to hear what he had to say after all of this. I left left very disappointed.

1:08:22 Thomas: That's pretty bad oh

1:08:40 Lydia: Quite disappointed.

1:08:39 Thomas: Man spoilers yeah sorry

1:08:45 Clip: Yeah, we're excited. I mean, anytime, like, everything is so political. We're just, we're athletes. We are so proud to represent the U .S. And when you get the chance to go to the White House, meet the president, you know, we are proud to be Americans. And, you know that's so patriotic. So, no matter what your views are, we, we super excited to go to the White house tomorrow and just be a part of that. How do you feel about the women not going? They got, they got busy schedules too. I mean, we, I know we're getting like, everyone's giving us backlash for all the social media stuff today, but it's so negative. People are so negative out there and they're trying to find a reason to just like put people down and make like, make something out of almost nothing. But you know, we are relationship with them over the course of being in the Olympic village. We like, I think we were so tight with their group in our group after we won the gold medal we're in the cafeteria at 3 30 in the morning with them and then we go right from that

1:09:27 Thomas: There's almost nothing I

1:09:39 Lydia: We know.

1:09:42 Clip: We pack our bags and we're on the bus so you guys like people are so negative about things but I think everyone in that locker room you know knows how much we support them how proud we are of them and we feel the same the same way we feel about them we know they feel that way about us definitely we're

1:09:41 Thomas: Haven't heard this hold on well they shouldn't that'S pretty too jeez they're so negative and it's like they're making and they're making it out of almost nothing I like how he hesitated they're bringing out it almost nothing he almost said nothing but he's like I I should give him a little little little bit yeah

1:10:01 Lydia: Man. Everyone's so negative. They're just looking to find something negative. Almost nothing.

1:10:17 Lydia: And it's just so frustrating, again, because, You mentioned it's Jack Hughes, Quinn Hughes, but also that their mother, Ellen Hughes, has been involved. I mean, she played for the U .S. women's team and involved in in Olympics. She's involved and the PWHL obviously been a hockey mom her whole, you journey as well. And I was really disappointed with her comments, too. So I'll send that to you. We might as well play those too god

1:10:19 Thomas: That's terrible yeah and he's involved in it now yeah

1:10:43 Clip: That's getting a little traction, a video that came out afterwards. It shows the men's team talking to the president of the United States and he was inviting them to the State of the Union and all that. And then he said a comment that gained attention. He said, I must tell you, we're going to have to bring the women's team. You know that? And the room kind of laughs. And he added, I do believe I probably would be impeached. He was sort of joking through this. But you're cheering on both teams. How did that comment land for you? Well I think at the end of the day it's just about the country and the moment that these players both the men and women can bring so much unity to a group into a country people that cheered on that don't watch hockey people that have politics on one side or on the other side and that's all both the men's team and the women's team care about if you could see what we see from the inside and the The men and women sharing, you know, dorms, dorm rooms and halls and flex floors and the camaraderie

1:11:20 Thomas: Certainly not doing that no just mainly the one yeah

1:11:40 Clip: And the synergy and the way the women cheered on the men and the men cheered on the women. That's what it's all about.

1:11:37 Thomas: Jesus christ no

1:11:46 Clip: And the other things they cannot control. They care about humanity, they care about unity, and they care about the country. Totally. I love, don't you love that Ellen's horse from all that story?

1:11:55 Lydia: I know really

1:11:46 Thomas: Oh really oh shut the fuck up shut the fuck up oh oh great comments the two fucking dudes I

1:11:59 Lydia: Disappointing it feels like it feels like damage control for the united states almost like like this weird apology tour which without apology yeah

1:12:14 Thomas: These people are conservative so they want to just say oh it's all nothing it's just something out of nothing well

1:12:15 Lydia: Well I don't think hoda is because like hoda's filling in for um

1:12:23 Thomas: Meant I meant the hockey players, the hockey players are conservative, so they want to they can't ever say anything bad about their lord and savior. That's like the best explanation. Otherwise, you're just a sexist, I guess. You know, what makes me even more mad. And I think this'll be just a me thing. Probably. Don't want to hear all the fucking jokes. I, the SNL thing drives me nuts. It drives me guts that whatever they did at a bunch of places. Oh, and then they come there to the men and women together. Now we're going to make a joke about how, Hey, and I guess we'll invite the men.

1:12:59 Thomas: That's not, that's nothing. You, after the racist friend leaves whose joke you laughed at that was horribly racist, that's you making nice with friend afterward and being like, oh, I hope I can make a joke at my expense. That's not important. What I need is for you to criticize your racist friend. That is what I need.

1:13:18 Lydia: AND WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING AND I ACTUALLY I SAW THIS UM ON A DIFFERENT podcast I think it's called sports gossip podcast on youtube um and they were talking about how uh the olympics is an nbc property um for broadcasting snl is an npc property then the exact same thing happened uh hillary knight went on jimmy fallon with jack and quinn hughes as an npci property so they're basically having the women escort these men around ground for, like I said, an apology tour without an apology. It's this weird damage control that doesn't actually do anything, and they're hoping that it meets the needs of middle America, basically.

1:13:52 Thomas: I think it does do something. That probably what, yeah, that is probably why it makes me so mad is I think people look at this as something, oh, okay, maybe these men, again, because they're so, all we want to do is have it be okay for the men. We just want these men to be okay. We want so desperately. So, oh they're willing to make a joke about, that must mean they're actually cool. No, that's just another easy fucking thing for them to do. Easy.

1:14:05 Lydia: Hanging out. Yeah. Want to take a moments because I found a couple interviews from some of these USA men's hockey team members.

1:14:30 Thomas: At this point point I'll take a fucking ahl player who's not even involved give me somebody somebody to say yeah that was a shitty thing the president said that sucked oh

1:14:36 Lydia: Well, so let me first shout out because I told you about this when I saw it. Wenberg from the Sharks, his wife was like the only person I saw that posted about this on her stories calling out the men's team. She basically like reposted other people's thoughts and stuff. But like most other people were avoiding it completely. I sent her a message and I was was like hey uh you don't know me but big sharks fan for a long time um just so happy to see you speak out in this way no no but she also just recently announced she's pregnant with her third kid so um I think she's a lot of stuff going on but for me I was like at least somebody's saying something of course it has to be the wife of somebody but um then I saw saw a couple of these guys did have okay takes. They, yeah, it's much better than what we've seen. So I'm going to start with Jeremy Swayman.

1:15:03 Thomas: Man did she like it or anything oh nice yeah thank you somebody yep yep I'll fucking take it at this point jesus I know swimming I don't like him that's so now I'll have to reverse everything I thought I knew uh

1:15:32 Lydia: Has a nice moment. We're going to end with something better, but yeah, but there's a nice movement in here.

1:15:33 Thomas: He's not the word goalies just suck in general honestly goalies are nuts but but okay fine maybe I'll change maybe I guess change my opinion on swayman all right

1:15:43 Clip: There was some negative reaction to that and to the post -game video. Just what is your reaction to, to that? Yeah, we should have reacted differently. We know that we are so excited for the women's team. We have so much respect for the men's team and to share that gold medal with them is something that we're forever grateful for. And, uh, you know, now that we'RE home, we get to share that together forever and see the incredible support that we have from the USA and sharing in this incredible gold medal jeremy

1:16:13 Lydia: I shared this because of literally we should have reacted differently.

1:16:16 Thomas: That's the the first thing we've gotten oh

1:16:18 Lydia: It's the first sentence out of his mouth. Mouth and so I want to give props to that because like it can be that easy I

1:16:22 Thomas: Fuck and he was the backup usa goalie right yeah

1:16:26 Lydia: Think so um it it's minor but I I wantto give you know him some

1:16:30 Thomas: So far it's a fucking a plus on the grade curve you got a perfect score relative to everybody else jesus fucking christ oh

1:16:36 Lydia: Charlie mcavoy went a little bit further so let me share this with you yeah these

1:16:41 Thomas: Real oh that's surprising okay I would have thought that he sucked let's see ah

1:16:45 Lydia: Are literally the only two yeah

1:16:46 Clip: I think um you know just certainly sorry for how we responded to it in that moment um you no things that just happened really quick there um and and if you know the men's team and if you no the relationships that we have the amount of time that we've spent you know with the women's team how we've supported them it's certainly not reflective of how we feel and look at them and their accomplishments um what they did was unbelievable you know kind of like I said we had this third floor there um you know in the village and it was kind of you know some of the women's team there the trainer's room where everybody was at all times so men and women's teams like just made friends for life with them we supported them the same way that they supported us so we share this together I know that and I know that I'm pretty confident they they know how I feel about them and and what they've been able to accomplish and you know the way that that they did it too with how dominant they played. I think America should be so proud of them for their accomplishment, for sure.

1:16:52 Thomas: Thank you nope don't need this you're right every single time fucking okay I'll give that the the top that's that's the best you that's all oh I thought you were building to something uh you're

1:17:48 Lydia: Best I've got. That'S it. Oh, no. Charlie McAvoy was the best I could find. I literally pulled the entire roster. I was searching on YouTube for hours, for hours.

1:17:58 Thomas: Telling me that the two best example were both on the boston and fucking Bruins. Jesus Christ. What have we come to?

1:18:04 Lydia: I know. I know how do you feel about that? That's like shaking your entire world but yeah I I

1:18:07 Thomas: Not good. Good, but like, I mean, I'll be fucking Jesus again on the curve. Like, thank you for saying, Hey, not good. How we reacted. Thank you.

1:18:17 Lydia: And the ones that I right

1:18:18 Thomas: It wasn't just unfortunate that people criticized you. That's not what was bad. It was that you reacted badly.

1:18:23 Lydia: Was about you and your actions

1:18:26 Thomas: So you did something. Oh, okay. I didn't know you were involved in this situation. That is the first time someone has actually been involved in the situation before it was just stuff happened around us. God.

1:18:38 Lydia: Want to end my video uh with you all um hearing from the captain of the usa women's hockey team hillary knight because when she she was asked about this, she had the only response that I think women should have to respond with.

1:18:53 Clip: I just thought the joke was distasteful and unfortunate. And I think just the way women are represented, it's a great teaching point to really shine light on how women should be championed for their amazing feats. And now I have to sort of sit, and anybody has to sit in front of you and explain someone else's behavior. It's not my responsibility so but what is is shifting the focus and shifting the narrative of this amazing accomplishment that we all did together and granted the men's and the women's team did it together and that is super special it's never been done in our program's history it's something we're extremely proud about but these women are amazing and whatever is going on shouldn't never outshine or minimize their work and our success on the world stage this was the best American women's hockey team the best American team we've ever put together on a world stage when the lightest when the the lights have been the brightest ever and so I think everybody felt that you know going through the tournament and I want to celebrate I want people to be remembered for that I want the legacy of this this team to be remembered and so that's what I'm trying to you know shift the narrative on and really focus and championing what we've done and what we accomplished the last two and a half weeks together no

1:19:35 Lydia: It's USA hockey talking points right there, but yeah. Just, just great.

1:20:16 Thomas: That's great. Yeah.

1:20:17 Lydia: And I think, I that is expected of women in this moment or any moment where you find yourself in that kind of position is like, you know, now I'm being asked to explain someone else's behavior, and it's not my responsibility. End of story. Of story, the men should be held accountable. And it's not on the women to help them be held accountable. Not on the women's team at all. They're not part of this. Unfortunately, that's not what we're seeing. That is not what we saw on SNL. That is not what we saw in Jimmy Fallon. Seeing kind of, you media appearances coupled with damage control um usa hockey as an entire entity uh men's and women's side so

1:20:57 Thomas: Value a hundred percent a % of all that. To hear that she said that and it just really showed it shows the men's values not in the way they think you they think that oh no I don't I'm not really a secret hater of the women's U .S. hockey hockey team? No one thinks that. Just shows that you don't find it important enough to actually even muster the slightest criticism of your fucking Lord and Savior, Jesus Trump. She said was so tame. I'm not criticizing her, but like they could have managed that pretty easily. Yeah, the joke was, did anyone even say the joke was distasteful? That's so minor. Any, none of the men could even say the joke was distasteful at least you know those two fucking boston goddamn bruins jesus christ in the middle of probably being racist pieces you know I'm just kidding not a huge fan of boston bruins usually but uh they uh but no I'll give them credit for that wow god

1:21:50 Lydia: Just taking accountability for their behavior and that they should have acted differently and that they're sorry that they didn't I mean it's bare minimum but look how easy it is look how how high you can raise in our ranks, USA Hockey members.

1:21:57 Thomas: Bare minimum yeah yeah we're about to elect them woke president of feminism that's how I mean we do have to also do another positive thing which is I which I teased the beginning which this is the kind of thing and this is something I'll try not fucking crying again but like this is Something when I talked about the pride tape thing I've got a year or two ago whatever that was um something that really gets me where we know for so long and sorry to be repetitive but it's I just think it for so long I think people rightfully mocked corporate pride and it and rightfully so again rightfully sell like it is like you know but it but it is not about that it's about that as an indicator and when you start to see things go from corporate pride to actually fuck all these people let's fire all the trans people let'S fire all they keep like when you start seeing it go from well as a corporation we here at Target Corp fucking, we were going to put rainbows on our thing. Like, yes, it's nothing. Yes, it's corporate, whatever, but holy shit. It way better to have that empty bullshit

1:22:42 Lydia: They're not wrong. -hmm. Then nothing.

1:23:09 Thomas: Than not only nothing discrimination. And I think that like I, for one, you know, it's easy for me to say, cause I'm not like a target of pretty much any of this. I've been, there's, there's ways that I think our lives intersect certainly with some of this stuff, but, speaking, I'm Not the Target of Anything. It was easy for me to overlook how nice we had it.

1:23:29 Thomas: And I think we shouldn't, we shouldn'T do that. It just makes me that much more appreciative in, and again, in a way that is like the bar is low, but you know, when you're in like the worst place in the world and someone comes and, and, and wants to be like, kind of nice, it's like, fucking take it. Just, we just take it if you're, if you'RE getting rescued out of a fucking death camp and the guy rescues you kind of sucks and smells, like just fucking take it. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like, you're going to be so happy to see that person, you know, it doesn't matter.

1:23:59 Lydia: So you would deal with some body odor. Like, it's going to be okay.

1:24:02 Thomas: So the drive home from the death camp will smell a little. I know I exaggerate, but it's, but I mean, it, it like the biggest exaggeration to say that when it, when you're in a climate and atmosphere of fascism and you're on the road as a country to stuff that goes toward that kind of crap. It doesn't mean, I'm not saying we will. I'm not saying were there. I am not saying any of that. But I am saying we are down that road. Are not at the start of that road I'll say that. We are not the start of the road of fucking camps for LGBTQ people. We're not at the start that road and it's fucking horrifying. It's absolutely there are camps for migrants. There are camps for immigrants we're there we're getting there and so, you know, in one sense, it's kind of an exaggeration I'm making, but like also not, you know, it'S like, I don't care. Like if you're going to come out in any small way in favor of pride or just not being a piece of shit, you Know, like, God damn, I 'LL take it. Just speak for myself, but Like,

1:24:58 Lydia: I mean, we're seeing of, you of trans people on, like, public documents in, what was that, Kansas, where they just passed the that it has to be your sex at birth on your ID now, and they all have to turn in their driver's licenses immediately and get new ones reissued. I mean, it's just like, yeah, just stepping towards this dystopian nightmare that I think 15 years ago, none of us really thought that we would be in this spot.

1:25:28 Thomas: I was so goddamn naive. I was actively 15 years ago, maybe a little more 16, 17. I WAS actually actively a part of the problem. I wasn't homophobic. I wasn't. That's one thing I very quickly changed on as a person, but I was still actively part of the problem. And I hope to never be again, but actively part OF the problem in that I minimized how fucking dangerous this stuff is. It's you can't, you can'T let this fucking shit in for a second, you know, just not even an inch. And, and the sexist joke, I mean, I guess it's branched off a little from that, but like I see it as kind of one in the same with how, you queer the women's team is. I see a lot of those issues kind of intertwined, you you know?

1:26:04 Lydia: Yeah, of course.

1:26:04 Thomas: And the reason, actually, the reason I started talking about that was because of the good thing I wanted to play, which was, uh, I will, I Will Brag About My Sharks. This is, this is the 27th of February. So this is like, I around this time, right? When was the, I forget when the game, the championship game was, let's see. The championship game, I'm women's was the 19th. Men's I think was a week after or so. So yeah, right after probably. And this is a, again, it's, I guess it's not directly related to like the men, women thing, but this is something that didn't even really occur to me because I again I think I have the privilege of not thinking too hard about it but they've changed pride all the sports teams had pride and again it's one of those things that holy shit I appreciate that they had it and now they don't now they just don't even fucking bother what they do have is hockey is for everyone which is the fucking white lives matter of pride oh it's for For everyone. Okay. All right. Fine. It's a C fucking minus. It's an D plus. Be so bad if we started there. It wouldn't been so bad what they had done. And I think that the context matters. If the context was there was no such thing as any pride anything in sports, in NHL kind of thing.

1:27:10 Thomas: And then they're like, let's do a hockey for everyone. And there will be some rainbows. They'll be like, okay, great. But no, they had pride night. They had that. And they decided let's take that back those queer people have too many things let's let's dial it back and now they have hockey is for everyone cool fucking great but the san jose sharks uh read the text of this post alex wenberg and tyler toffoli were behind the bench tonight for our fourth annual pride scrimmage between the team teal front office team trans and the sf earthquakes Earthquakes. Sorry, I'm not, stuff like really affects me now. And the SF Earthquake, which is the soccer team, right? But it's the SF Earthquaken LGBTQ plus team. So they had like a fun, and they called it a pride scrimmage, which I love because the NHL just says hockey is for everyone. And they, you know, the Sharks did include that as like the, heading or whatever, but it's

1:27:17 Lydia: And then they rewound. Yeah, yeah, sure.

1:27:57 Thomas: Like, they they, called it a Pride scrimage. They didn't abandon it. These are, these are two major players. These are two major players for the Sharks. They're

1:28:04 Clip: Mean obviously it's a great to watch the game of hockey we will be supportive of all this and uh I mean the fact too like this community to be accepted for everyone here and it's just something something that we really would like to be a part of that had a lot of fun doing it as well seeing all the other guys here so it's great yeah it was a lot fun um seeing some of the some of players I met them previously last year so good to see them again and and meet some new players it was a lot of fun. Favorite part was probably having the Earthquakes score the first goal they were pumped so it's a lot fun and you know great night.

1:28:42 Thomas: Is, again, set the bar as hockey interviews are very bad. But I want to point something else out. This was a day off for the team. They didn't have to be here. I know it probably sounds, every hockey player sounds like they're being held at gunpoint. That's just how they sound. Don't worry. Worry. This is, this is actually a really good example because the team was off. Didn't have to be here. This wasn't a team function. This Wasn't that they, they did this. They went and did this, they went and supported and coached that, you know, they do a thing where it's like, they coach the teams, you Know? So they, one of them, that's why he says like, Oh, it was cool. The earthquakes score. Cause he was coaching that team. You know, it's a fun thing.

1:29:17 Thomas: It's something they went out of their way to do. It's, it'S just so nice.

1:29:16 Lydia: They're good people.

1:29:22 Thomas: The bar is low and these gentlemen cleared it by a lot. Man, so frustrating. It's so fucking unjust. It just is so unjust that it's unfortunate. Unfortunate what happened and that everyone's mad at us. Fuck Fuck you. To point out, I know it's it's an easy point that I made online, but But the Venn diagram of people who cry about trans people being in sports because it's going to ruin sports and the people who actually fucking watch one of the greatest women's sporting events in the history of our Earth. I guess I did it the opposite way. They're separate, complete circles. There's not normally you phrase it. So they're one circle. I decided to play it a little harder mode. They're different. They're not in together at all. There's no weird.

1:29:58 Lydia: You know a voice that's been very absent from this who strongly believes in uh in sports and you important important that is is Riley Gaines zero comment zero comment

1:30:14 Thomas: Yeah, you would think they'd be like, hey, I care so much about women's sports that I don't support our president, the most powerful person that we've elected at the top of our country. I don'T SUPPORT HIM MAKING A JOKE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY LIKE, FUCK THESE WOMEN, GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN, STOP PLAYING HOCKEY.

1:30:25 Lydia: But a women's gold medal you know so it's worth less yeah no gold is gold baby it

1:30:29 Thomas: Fuck you. Fuck you fake concerned people. You do not give a shit about women sports. Never did. Ugh, frustrating. Right, well, that ended up being a double episode, but it was worth it. We frustrating um I just really don't think people like we don't we don't hold their feet to the fire and I what I'm dying what I'm screaming out for WHAT I'M DYING FOR AND GIVE ME A NORMIE GIVE me a normie give me someone in media somewhere who's semi am I something? Give me someone who's, who has a, has a name. Don't have to turn into a wokest. You don't have to turn into a wokey, you know, you don't have to use fucking talk about like intersectional feminist. You don't have to do any of that stuff. Give me someone with a name with clout. Who's going to just be human use humanity. You know, it's so easy. Imagine if the, any of these big interviewers on any of the shows, not like the big, we're not like the obscure hockey ones, but like, like a good example of someone who has an actual name. I don't know who, I don't watch fucking mainstream media. Cause probably

1:30:41 Lydia: Worth it hockey yeah

1:31:29 Thomas: For this reason, but give me somebody who's just like, Hey, I for example, like my daughter plays sports and boy, that really hurt my heart to hear the president say, Know, joke, like he wouldn't even want to invite the women's team. That just hurts my heart. That would be really helpful right now, you cause unfortunately there's so much poison in the fucking information ecosystem that any signal anyone has that they're like woke or progressive, it just, they're, theyRE just 60. I know 70% of the country isn't going to listen to them it's not even 50 it's like 70 that's how poisoned it is anyone who's at all identified with like woke or whatever so just give me a normal person to be a human and just come from a pure standpoint of like boy that's that's not very nice you like just be decent and actually be firm that's the thing be decent but be firm about it don't don't accept and I'm imagining a man because I need a man to fucking step up. Point, to Hillary Knight's point, not on these women. It's on men to step up and hold someone's feet to the fire. But you

1:32:27 Thomas: Can do it in a gentle way. You can do in a compassionate way, but just be insistent. Do you mean unfortunate? Because you had control over your reaction, right? Yeah. So you could have, that wasn't unfortunate. You could have controlled it. And actually you have control over what you're saying now, right? So, so, so maybe not in the moment.

1:32:42 Lydia: So if there if there was something that like you feel like you didn't say then, but you'd like to say now, like, like please, by all means.

1:32:48 Thomas: Yeah. Exactly. Something like, give me something like that, you know, and we just don't, I don't see it. Maybe I'm missing it, but I don'T see it just dog shit. All thanks so much for listening, everyone. Thanks hun for going through all those shitty statements and being as mad as I've ever heard you, not going to lie, slightly turned on, uh, that's a good way to go out.

1:32:54 Lydia: I've looked at a lot of this stuff and I haven't seen it either. So yeah. Boy. Yeah? You know what? I am too about myself. So I don't know what that means. But I'm gonna go process that I think.

1:33:17 Thomas: Uh, we just lost everyone. No, it's okay. Uh. So much fun. And, uh. Yeah. It's just important stuff. You know, it's just, was I, good to get some stuff off my chest. I know you too. And.

1:33:30 Lydia: Yeah. Could not stop thinking about this.

1:33:31 Thomas: Just infuriating. So thanks so much. Wokies. Thanks for supporting. Share the show with somebody and for listening. We'll see you next time. If any dude wants to not fucking suck the about to elect them woke president of feminism that's

1:34:06 Lydia: Fuck up asshole. Jesus Christ. You wanting me to say more

1:34:18 Thomas: No, sorry. I'm just trying to stop crying. You know, not going to lie, slightly turned on, uh, that's

1:34:20 Lydia: Hun yeah Yeah? Know what? I am too about myself. So