WTW84: RFK's Choice to Head Autism Study? A Total Fraud Who Abused Autistic Kids While Posing as a Doctor

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0:00:03 Clip: What's so scary about the woke mob? How often you just don't see them coming. Anywhere you see diversity, equity, and inclusion, you see Marxism and you see woke principles being pushed. Wokeness is a virus more dangerous than any pandemic hands down. The woke monster is here and it's coming for everything.

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0:00:42 Thomas: Hello, and welcome to Where There's Woke. This is episode 84. I'm Thomas Smith. That over there is Lydia. How you doing?

0:00:49 Lydia: Hello. I am doing okay. It's the end of the month. How are you feeling?

0:00:54 Thomas: Yeah, would you say our work schedule is very lively? Is that what?

0:00:58 Lydia: Yeah, I would.

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0:01:10 Lydia: Yep. Some more coming out, too. Yeah.

0:01:10 Thomas: Lots of listening. It really, it's scratching our debunk itch is the thing. Anyone who listens to the show loves a good debunk. There's a lot of debunking happening over there. And as such, we've outsourced our normal debunkding itch to guest scratcher, Dr. Jenessa Seymour. How are you doing?

0:01:28 Jenessa: I was doing pretty good until I got called a guest scratcher, jeez.

0:01:35 Thomas: All right. Well, I blew that. Anyone else have an episode idea? We're fucked now. Sorry. No, Jenessa is going to join us to debunk something and talk about something that I anticipate outrage is what I'm anticipating. My forecast, my weather forecast. Give us a tease before the break. That's good enough. Good enough.

0:01:55 Jenessa: Yeah, all right. It.

0:01:56 Thomas: Oh, man. Might as well be the name of the show.

0:02:01 Jenessa: So what we've got today is David Geyer, who has been hired by Health and Human Services Secretary RFK Jr. to study autism and vaccines, which is somehow going to be worse than you you imagine no

0:02:20 Thomas: Well, that's good because we've never studied that. Right. So it's probably based on what they say all the time. It's never been done.

0:02:23 Jenessa: Brand new never thought about it

0:02:27 Thomas: So, yeah. Yeah. That's what scientists usually do. Don't they just like give you something to put in, inject into you? And they're like, we don't even know what that is. Like, we just, we're just trying. Just go ahead. Just do it. It'S fine. That's usually how science works.

0:02:39 Jenessa: Oh god this is so painful this has been like debunked decades ago and like we're still having this conversation it's infuriating

0:02:49 Thomas: It's time for a three bunk.

0:02:52 Lydia: The three p yeah yeah

0:02:52 Thomas: It's like the three Pete. So we've done a debunk. Now we're going to do a three buck. We did debunk Andrew Wakefield on SIO with Kelly a while back. So this is the three bunk and folks can check out that if they want. But that's what we're talking about after the break. We'll take our usual break. Support the show, patreon .com slash where there's woke. Skip the ads, get the warm, fuzzy feeling. And thank you so much to our patrons who do. All right, we'll take a break and then we'll get to it.

0:03:21 Lydia: Let me kick this off because I want to talk a little bit about why we decided this is probably somebody worth digging into honestly like the idea kind of was sparked when the

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0:03:31 Lydia: Gender dysphoria no when well specifically when the gender dysphoria report came out through health and human services and the authors were not named in that jesse single says that he knows who they were because health and and Human Services let him see it before, apparently, but that he was sworn to secrecy and wouldn't disclose it.

0:03:32 Thomas: Country fell apart? Oh, no. God. Yeah. I wonder why. I wonder why, yeah. It's weird.

0:03:51 Lydia: What? Why? Yeah, I wonder why. I know. Now, some folks have been able to identify some of the authors because, like, for example, the PDF of the report included one unresolved comment that had the author's name attached, and they found a couple other things as well. But for the most part, I don't think they've released the names officially from Health and Human Services.

0:04:12 Thomas: Yeah, all the best science has to be done anonymously because you don't want to stand behind your work. That's usually how the best science is done.

0:04:16 Lydia: Yeah. Now, on this particular next study, I guess they're doing, where RFK announced he's going to do, you know, he's gonna find the cause of autism, and so then we can find a cure for autism.

0:04:29 Thomas: You're gonna find the cause of autism and Nicole Brown Simpson's killer. It''s gonna be those two things. Finally, at long last.

0:04:35 Lydia: In a handful of months, a handful months, right? And so what's different about this, though, is that we know who is going to be working on this study, because they announced who they hired. And so I thought it would be really important for us to try and get ahead of this before any sort of report comes out, any sort of study, I'm doing air quotes here, comes out about autism, that we figure out, okay, who's this person behind it? What do we need to know about them? So we're prepared when that material comes out and whatever nonsense it says.

0:04:44 Thomas: Given Given the fact we know who it is, I'm going to guess that's bad because if the other people were at least shamed enough to be like, I don't, don't put my fucking name on this thing. And this guy's like, no, put my name on the page. This thing, it's not going to be good.

0:05:10 Lydia: Yeah, yeah. And so I summoned Jenessa and I said, help, help me figure out this guy. And yeah, and let's, let's dig into you who he is and why we need to be concerned.

0:05:20 Thomas: Help us scratch this itch.

0:05:27 Jenessa: And that worked out because uh in addition to reading some bullshit medical stuff it also required reading some legal cases so yeah it's gonna get wild okay it was around april 10 ish is when I first start seeing the reports that rfk jr is proposing to and I think has now hired him to analyze cdc data looking into autism and vaccines he has said that it's just going to be analyzing that data he's not going to be conducting research like collecting new data I guess assuming you believe that I'm glad he's now going to have direct access to children that's better,

0:05:36 Lydia: Oh, very interesting.

0:06:16 Jenessa: But this is still conducting research and there are still ethical qualifications you're going to need here and scientific qualifications. And I think we're going to find that severely lacking in this case. So the individual is David Guyer. It's really impossible to talk about him without talking about his father, Mark Guyer, literally, if you go to Wikipedia, David Guier does have a page. It was last edited 17 years ago. And all it says is, see Mark Geyer. And there's a link. So yeah, he has no identity separate from his father. Yeah.

0:06:58 Thomas: That were me.

0:06:56 Lydia: I don't need a Wikipedia page.

0:07:00 Thomas: I'd be like just delete the page I don't need. That seems worse than not having one.

0:07:04 Jenessa: It seems rude, right? His identity is completely wrapped up in his father, which is extra sad because his dad died on May 20th. So I don't know if it's like they were going to pick David no matter what, or if it is like, well, Mark is on his deathbed, so let's get the next best thing. He is kind of second fiddle through this whole thing, which is probably a good thing. Not that Mark Geyer is great either. So to go through who is he, he gets a PhD in genetics from George Washington University in the 70s. And then he gets his MD from the George Washington School of Medicine right after that.

0:07:54 Jenessa: It's unclear because it's the 70S and medicine has always been confusing and complicated, but I think it was an internship or a residency, something like that, in obstetrics and gynecology. So not even a little bit related to anything he's going to go on to do with autism and vaccines.

0:08:15 Lydia: Unless vaginas make kids autistic, which doesn't, you know.

0:08:19 Jenessa: I mean, yeah, it doesn't. So he does that like one year intern clinical fellow kind of thing. He's also intermittently working at the NIH, which kind of calls back to Judy Mikevitz, and Frank Rossetti.

0:08:22 Thomas: We haven't eliminated it.

0:08:41 Jenessa: I don't know why we keep finding these anti-vax people in the NIH. His term there overlaps with Rossetti, and they do have one paper where Rossetti is like thanking him for sending him materials. But otherwise, I don't see overlap. I can't prove they communicated. I don't know. Yeah, it was not the mouse cells. Thank God.

0:08:59 Lydia: The mouse cells thank you for sending me

0:09:04 Jenessa: It was immunological material, which one of the things Geyer is going to be accused of is practicing as an immunologist when he has no expertise in that field. Yeah, exactly. So really what he's essentially qualified to do with that expertise, the PhD in genetics does not give you any authority to practice genetics in medicine. You're going to have to go do like an internship, a residency, something something in medicine to be able to do that, right? He will go on to represent himself as having the medical expertise in genetics in order to get some of his licenses, and this will become a problem. Yeah, yeah, right off the bat, he is lying about that. No, no. So what is his biggest legacy here him and david now david his son has a bachelor's in unclear I think it's biology it's really hard

0:09:12 Lydia: Yeah when he's an ob-gyn hmm okay so yeah he's a fraud got it yeah yeah yeah.

0:09:52 Thomas: Boy, yeah, that didn't take long to get to the fraud part.

0:10:10 Jenessa: To find information about him

0:10:10 Thomas: Oh, I got one of those. Yeah.

0:10:13 Jenessa: Um he they've worked together to publish a number of studies most of which have been retracted at this point that suggest thimerosal a preservative that used to be used in vaccines we took it out basically so people would shut up and take vaccines like it's not harmful hmm

0:10:27 Thomas: Hmm. I hate how much of that there is. I really hate how many people have said that. I hate that much of what that there is, because there is, like, I almost wonder if we just should or not. I get that the calculation was probably by these saintly scientists who are trying to save lives. It's like, look, it'll save more lives if we're just doing that. But, like in the long run, I don't know, because I feel like we keep giving these assholes an inch and then they take a mile.

0:10:47 Thomas: It's like, no, it's fine. It is safe. Shut up. Take your stupid vaccine, asshole. That's what it should be. Or die. I don't care. That's where I am now at this point.

0:10:54 Jenessa: Well and it's in there for a reason it's not like it was just there it's a preservative critically there's I'm gonna mix up which is which there's like ethyl mercury and methyl mercury and like one of them gives you mercury poisoning and one of them is like bio inert and doesn't bother you

0:10:58 Thomas: Yeah. I have to imagine. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Importantly, yeah. It's not, I, look, I'm no chemist, but it's not as though it's like. No, if it's ethyl mercury versus methyl mercury, it is probably the same. It's, like, they are sticklers about their namings, usually. It's like, no, that's a massively different thing.

0:11:13 Lydia: And that's why they're named different things. Yeah.

0:11:15 Jenessa: Yeah kind of matters yeah

0:11:25 Lydia: It's just an M. That's the only difference. Friends. It's an entirely different compound. Yeah.

0:11:31 Thomas: Like that's entirely one is like with different chemicals. That's the gas they use in World War One. The other version that's one letter off is oxygen.

0:11:41 Jenessa: Pretty much yeah that's where we're at so they allege that and this is total bullshit we know this is totally bullshit just in case anybody's getting to earth for the first day

0:11:42 Thomas: It's not like that matters.

0:11:56 Jenessa: Mercury in vaccines thimerosal in vaccines how could this this be causing autism? It doesn't. So this is a really dumb question, but how could it cause autism? Well, what it's doing is it's boosting testosterone levels and that is a step two question mark, step three autism. I don't know.

0:12:17 Thomas: That's a weird way to go since every podcast that these people talk on is selling testosterone. So that's weird. You know what I mean?

0:12:18 Jenessa: It's still not. Yeah.

0:12:21 Lydia: Great point.

0:12:24 Thomas: Like they don't care what's in those boner pills and the fucking testosterone. They don't cares about any of that. God knows Alex Jones is injecting himself with who knows what. But if it's a vaccine that the scientists have definitely cleared, then no.

0:12:38 Jenessa: All of a sudden it's a problem, right? So what they're going to do is diagnose kids with precocious puberty, which is basically going through puberty too early. That is a real diagnosis and it can be a real issue. You know, you don't want to be six years old and getting a period like that's not healthy for your body. And it obviously can have, you know, know, social implications.

0:12:51 Thomas: Wait,

0:13:03 Jenessa: So precocious puberty is real. There are real medications that can delay puberty, the same puberty blockers that can be used for trans children. They're going to diagnose these kids as having precocius puberty and heavy metal poisoning and therefore give them puberty blockers and chelation therapy which is what yeah so the problem is it's mark geyer hypothetically running the study but it's david geyer his son who has just got a bachelor's is like kind of running the whole thing yeah so here's what happens that's their theory right they will they'll first assemble an institutional review board, an IRB, which is required to get any study through. And usually the way you would do that, like when I've done that for my research, it'll be run through your university, for example. And there would be certainly somebody, you know, I do psychology research and neuroscience. There would be somebody with expertise in that, but they would also have like an English professor and a member of the community,

0:13:27 Thomas: Who is diagnosing kids? What?

0:13:40 Lydia: Not a doctor wow hmm

0:14:18 Jenessa: Like people who can comment on, hey, let's get our heads a bigger picture. Is this ethical? Is this right?

0:14:23 Lydia: Yeah out of academia too right like kind of having like a gut check on the board yeah

0:14:31 Jenessa: Precisely to say like, hey I don't care how this advances science or academics. This is wrong. That's the purpose of having this diverse panel. Well, the IRB they assemble is then Dr. Mark Geyer, his son, David Geyers, his wife, Anne, Mark's business partner, and a lawyer who represents plaintiffs in vaccine injury cases. No.

0:14:48 Thomas: That's never a good...

0:14:49 Lydia: Oh my god Andrew Wakefield no just kidding wow

0:15:00 Thomas: I would go so far as to say that isn't an IRB or whatever. That just isn't. That's just like, hey, I'm telling my idiot friends about my stupid thing. Yeah that wouldn't

0:15:03 Lydia: Yeah it's it's the group chat it's like literally the group chat wow

0:15:11 Jenessa: Pretty famously, you can't be on the IRB to approve your own study.

0:15:15 Lydia: So how yeah how did that happen do you know

0:15:16 Thomas: Work yeah

0:15:19 Jenessa: He listed the business address of the IRB as his own business and just started going. Nobody knew he was doing it because he was the IRB and he ran it out of his own basement. No, no, you're super not allowed to do that. But what they did is they drafted up consent forms and advertised this to parents and opened centers, different businesses under different names, like the Genetics Center, really generic things, in

0:15:33 Thomas: But you're not allowed to do that right like that's

0:15:54 Jenessa: Multiple states, and just kind of advertised it like we're doing treatment, FDA -approved, allegedly, treatment for your kid. Come on in. And people came in. Many parents only saw David Geyer and believed him to be a doctor the entire time. Yeah, he at one point was doing ultrasounds on patients, which involved him.

0:16:24 Thomas: I mean shouldn't you be in prison for this like what

0:16:26 Lydia: Yeah this is freaking evil this is oh my god

0:16:28 Jenessa: At no point will a criminal charge be filed. And I don't know why. I don't know how they escaped this. David Geyer was like following patients around the room because like even if your kid wasn't autistic, they're kids, they like wander around theroom. He was just following them around and like tapping different parts of their body with the ultrasound wand. And when parents were like that, that doesn't really that doesn'T Yeah, I'm no doctor, but doesn't feel like yeah I

0:16:47 Lydia: What I'm sorry that's so funny like honestly honestly like me wearing like a sexy doctor

0:16:48 Thomas: Hmm doesn't seem like anything this one's not tapping right it's not taping correctly

0:17:07 Lydia: Costume for halloween I'm gonna like act doctor better that is so funny just tapping right oh jesus what an

0:17:08 Thomas: Yeah that's I I was gonna say when When we do our role play, I want you more in character than this. Otherwise, I'm not.

0:17:25 Jenessa: I don't know man like parents raised the issue they were like that doesn't seem like a real test and he was like no no it's fine everything's fine your kid's great his thyroid looks great. Look, I tapped it.

0:17:39 Thomas: I tapped him on the thigh and his thyroid. I don't know.

0:17:45 Lydia: Idiot yeah

0:17:41 Jenessa: He then went on to order all kinds of tests and blood work. He would order a number of tests that required more blood than a person could give in a single setting. And so parents would show up and be told, you're going to have to come back on another day like we can't take all of this blood at once from your child yeah

0:18:07 Thomas: Also, who's your

0:18:08 Lydia: Who signed off on this right like that's an important question I guess at that

0:18:08 Thomas: Fucking doctor? Yeah.

0:18:13 Jenessa: So he forged his dad's signature look I don't think that his dad was opposed to any of this from all of the records available but it seemed probably just as a matter of convenience I don'T KNOW they found that the shape of the d that david would write in multiple places way too closely resembled the d when lab tests were ordered, signed as Dr.

0:18:16 Lydia: Point geez yeah

0:18:39 Jenessa: Mark Geyer, that just didn't make sense to have ever been ordered by Mark Gneyer, a real doctor. So the medical board of Maryland found that this was a forgery. So he was forging his dad's signatures to order all kinds of unnecessary tests. They were were giving IRB forms to parents saying that this was an IRB approved study, but they, yeah,

0:19:05 Thomas: This is crime. This sounds like crime to me. Yeah. Yeah.

0:19:08 Lydia: Yeah multiple crimes

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0:19:15 Jenessa: They prescribed Lupron, which at the time was FDA approved for precocious puberty, but in many cases they gave a way higher dose, and it's not FDA approved, for no.

0:19:28 Thomas: Well, and did these kids have precocious puberty?

0:19:29 Lydia: Oh my god oh my God

0:19:32 Jenessa: No.

0:19:33 Thomas: Crimes. This is crimes. What is happening? I'm starting to think there's not enough vigilante justice in our society. We've gotten to that point. Like if you're a parent of one of these kids, can you just kill this guy? What are you doing?

0:19:36 Jenessa: Yeah,

0:19:37 Lydia: This is horrible yeah I know mm

0:19:47 Jenessa: It will ultimately be parents who report this guy when they figure it out. But like, for example, to diagnose precocious puberty, it is understood. You must take an x -ray of the left wrist. I don't know why the left. I guess that's just for standardizing. And I'm assuming what they're looking at is growth plates. I, I don'T really know. I'M NOT A PEDIATRICIAN.

0:20:07 Thomas: Then you tap them three times with the wand. Yeah.

0:20:11 Lydia: So phoebe actually has to have this done for scoliosis because they're trying to make sure that her bones are, you know, still growing and the brace is actually going to do something. Because if her growth plates are fused and her bones are not going to extend anymore, then why, why would you be wearing a brace? It's not going to actually adjust anything. Yeah.

0:20:26 Jenessa: Right yeah so I think that's the idea is we're looking at those growth plates so that is something that is just understood and if he had been a pediatrician or somebody who studies for coaches puberty or knew anything about it he would know you just can't be diagnosing this without that you also use this thing called the tanner scale which looks at puberty and the stages And this was just not done for a single one of these kids. So fundamentally, you can't claim to have diagnosed any of them with it. But also, yeah, no,

0:21:00 Thomas: You're not a doctor. Doctor, I don't think you can claim to have diagnosed literally anything.

0:21:08 Jenessa: No. No, his dad, the actual then doctor, sometimes saw some of the patients, sometimes read some of the records. But it is clear at least some of these patients never not once saw him and he never not once read their records. It was only David, the bachelor's student.

0:21:16 Thomas: Oh, okay. So that's fine. I stand corrected.

0:21:29 Lydia: Tapping their bodies with an ultrasound wand what

0:21:34 Jenessa: Yeah, he was prescribing this drug for blocking puberty at way higher doses. Even if they had precocious puberty, at a dose that is not FDA approved for it. And giving chelating agents, in some of the cases, they wrote in the consent form that you would be getting this chelated agent, which is an FDA approved drug, and then gave a different drug, which isn't FDA approved in the U .S. for any use. It is technically used for chelating in other places, but it's not FDA approved in the U .S., so they lied to the parents.

0:22:12 Thomas: Pretend I've never chelated.

0:22:14 Lydia: Yeah what's a chelate okay

0:22:16 Jenessa: This is what treats heavy metal poisoning. So they also don't have heavy metal poisonings, but if they did, here's a consent form saying we'll give you this drug that is FDA approved to treat the heavy metal poisoned and you don't and now I'm going to give you a different drug that That is not approved for this and lie to you about it. Also, parent, you're going to go home and administer this to your child rectally.

0:22:42 Lydia: What sorry

0:22:44 Thomas: Okay. Now we're definitely talking crimes.

0:22:46 Jenessa: Yeah, your kid doesn't need this for any possible reason, but just go ahead and do this at home.

0:22:53 Lydia: I'm I'm just like in disbelief over here you don't have to answer this now if we're gonna get to it but I really hope some of these parents like civil lawsuits please dear god this is

0:22:58 Jenessa: I couldn't find any civil suits.

0:23:06 Lydia: So bad oh my god yeah

0:23:07 Thomas: I'm excited to get to the part where this guy's dead. That's it. I'm just excited. Oh, what? He's being put in a very important position. I don'T know if it's a position technically, but yeah. No, this is wow. Wow.

0:23:20 Jenessa: All right, so let's pretend you are an absolute nut who believes this is all real and you you really think you're conducting a study, you're going to prove that this is what's doing this horrible, tragic thing. Your child is autistic. What a nightmare. And you're gonna cure it. Oh, my God. Wouldn't you be, I don't know, collecting data and keeping records? No, no. The record keeping is...

0:23:47 Thomas: Well, he was like, I keep track of all the taps I did in my head. That was a three tap kid. That's a four tap kid, that's

0:23:51 Jenessa: Yeah, no, there's such poor record keeping that during the hearing that was going to ultimately take away Mark Geyer's medical license, they subpoena him to say, hey, where are the records for this patient? And when he doesn't answer, they're like, you do know that if you don't have them, you have to respond in writing and say that you don t. And he also doesn't respond to that. But it turns out he doesn t have them. He did not keep the most, forget doing research, he didn t keep the bare minimum required medical records for treating It was already a violation of the medical codes and practice to do this. So why are they even doing this if they're not conducting a study? Because they're charging 10 times what that drug would normally cost

0:23:52 Lydia: One, two, three. Wow.

0:24:04 Thomas: Not enough. Wow.

0:24:45 Jenessa: To these parents. These parents are paying thousands and thousands of dollars to treat their kid for a disease they don't have.

0:24:53 Lydia: Literally desperate for help. And yeah.

0:24:53 Thomas: Cool, cool. Super definitely crimes. For sure crimes. Wait, they're desperate for help with what? Because what are they, just because they're autistic? Yeah.

0:25:01 Lydia: Wow, well, I guess they suspect that That they're autistic or something?

0:25:02 Jenessa: Yeah. Well, so that's the thing also is David was doing the autism diagnosis. So presumably some of these kids had some level of developmental delay in something that led their parents to think they needed assessment. Assessment, whether they were in, you know, I'm sure some, I am assuming, possibly incorrectly, some of these kids were independently diagnosed somewhere. But without that, I mean, one of the reasons David is going to be held liable by the board for practicing medicine without a license is he writes down like, yeah, I administered this questionnaire, this kid has the, oh gosh, gosh, I always forget the name. It's like a developmental disorder, not otherwise specified, which is the like, you don't necessarily meet the criteria for autism. You don't necessarily meet criteria for this, but there's some sort of developmental delay here. Yeah, you can't be doing that. You're not licensed to do that. At one point, he told a parent that their 13 -year -old looked 16 and had the beginnings of a mustache and, quote, that's a high testosterone testosterone kid.

0:26:17 Jenessa: That's his precocious puberty diagnosis. Yeah, they're just throwing this stuff out there. And presumably some of these kids had autism or something like it. But yeah, realistically, I guess some of These parents were probably really struggling with a child who was themselves really struggling. But like, let us always keep in mind, autism is a spectrum. Autism can have comorbidities with other disorders.

0:26:45 Lydia: Mm -hum.

0:26:48 Jenessa: So it could be your kid isn't struggling because they're autistic. They're struggling because I also have an intellectual disability or they also have this other disability and this is all coming together to make their life very difficult. And also we have things we can do to make their life easier and your life easier as the parent that don't involve putting illegal drugs up their butt like can we not obviously

0:26:48 Lydia: Mm -him. Mm -ham.

0:27:11 Thomas: I think that's like, I don't even know if you need to say that. Like, I think this should be understood.

0:27:16 Jenessa: I think but here's the thing this has happened before we had that guy with that like miracle mineral solution which was basically bleach and he was telling parents it'll cure your kids autism by the way it's an enema I don't know why they want you to keep putting it up kids butts like stop it

0:27:29 Thomas: Oof. Because they're criminals and this is a crime.

0:27:35 Jenessa: Yeah this is like this is nazi shit you're You're just giving kids who have like essentially no ability to consent in this situation. And you took away the parents ability to content because you lied about being a doctor and what the diagnosis was and what you're giving them.

0:27:49 Lydia: Yeah. And you're also going to be, make the parents the ones that are doing it to them, too.

0:27:55 Jenessa: And yeah, yeah.

0:27:55 Lydia: Like, so now the parents, like, who knows what kind of guilt they're carrying with them for the rest of their lives. Geez.

0:28:01 Jenessa: And by the way, give me all this money for it. And I'm not really you think you're doing this for the good of, you know, other people part of a study, a clinical study that might help people. Just kidding. You're just giving me money. I'm not even collecting data. So, okay. The good news is this will get stopped eventually. A parent will report this because they take their kid in and they're just very suspicious. Nothing seems right about this.

0:28:33 Lydia: Sorry.

0:28:33 Jenessa: They get the order to do all this blood work.

0:28:35 Thomas: The fact that this guy was wearing the stethoscope around his waist was part of it. Hmm.

0:28:41 Jenessa: Yeah. So they go in and you know how like, I don't know why this is a thing now. It it used to be you just did blood work at your doctor's office. Obviously, they were not doing it in this basement. So they said, you know, go to this place, they'll do the blood work and you go to some independent place. And she got there and they were like, yeah, we need like 22 vials of blood. We can't do this in one day. And She was like, that doesn't sound right. Googles it. And it's like, cool, this guy I talked to that I 100 % thought was a doctor is not a doctor and reports it. And so this is what starts the investigation. It will ultimately lead to David Geyer is fined $10 ,000 by the Maryland Board of Physicians for practicing without a license. $10 .000. Yeah.

0:29:06 Thomas: Doesn't seem right. Oh, that's a nightmare. Cool.

0:29:29 Lydia: How much? Ten thousand. Oh, my God.

0:29:32 Jenessa: Yeah, which is like, you know, maybe two patients worth of what they earned. Yeah.

0:29:33 Thomas: That's not enough. This is unreal. Do you get the sense? Did they have any like political connection or something before this? Like how? Or is this just that bad of a system? How'd they get out of this with a slap on the wrist?

0:29:45 Jenessa: So David, about a year before this whole thing goes down, he gets appointed to the Maryland Commission on Autism by the governor of Maryland, Martin O'Malley. Yep I don't know man uh they did as soon as this came out people were like what is happening and o'malley will eventually dismiss him and say like you do not have the qualifications to be on this panel but like I mean the thing that ordered the creation of this commission on autism was like diagnosis rates are skyrocketing and anytime I see that I just red flags start going up about like Like, we know that's largely or maybe exclusively driven, I would argue exclusively driven by increased awareness and increased diagnosis and expansion of diagnostic criteria. This is not because more kids are getting autism.

0:30:47 Jenessa: This is, it's not real. So like this panic about increased diagnosis, if the rationale was we have more kids with a diagnosis, we want to provide them services, we need to figure out the most effective way to do that. Okay, great. But as soon as it's a panic about what's causing this, red flag, not good. So he did somehow get himself onto that commission. The Democratic governor appointed him.

0:31:15 Jenessa: Once you're appointed to something, depending on the agency, you may or may not be immediately removable or require some... I would imagine this is one of those agencies you can just come on and off of some things you

0:31:28 Thomas: Yeah. It doesn't seem like a statutory agency, but I just, yeah.

0:31:29 Jenessa: Have to be like impeached or yeah

0:31:32 Lydia: Just like an appointment from the governor and then they can remove them at will kind of thing. Yeah I don't know. Hmm.

0:31:36 Jenessa: You would think so there's some I was actually I'm researching this for a separate work project on local government and it is wild how many agencies are like well this one you can only be removed for cause this one you get appointed and approved by the senate but then the governor can just remove you without cause even though it required senate approval and it's it's a whole mishmash so you never know but But so there's some level of political connection there, but like he did pretty quickly after this get booted off of it.

0:32:10 Thomas: That's good.

0:32:10 Jenessa: Probably not quickly enough, in my opinion. Mark Geyer loses his license and David Geyar gets fined. There is a piece where you're going to hear RFK Jr. using this and it's 100 % horseshit. The argument that all of this is defamation, this isn't true, they won a lawsuit against this, it's not true.

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0:32:39 Jenessa: There's a period where they emergency suspend Mark Geyer's license while they're doing all of these things. And they will ultimately permanently get rid of his license. During that suspension period, the Maryland Board of Physicians finds out he's still prescribing to his family members. I know. This creates a public record that says he prescribed this medication to David Geyer and this medication and Geyar. And like, yeah, that's kind of not cool that it did reveal some medical information about his family member's like that That was probably not necessary, right? Here's the thing. So in the lower court, they are going to win a ridiculous amount of money as a lawsuit against, it's basically like invasion of privacy, how dare you kind of thing.

0:33:36 Thomas: By whom? Who are they winning against?

0:33:39 Jenessa: The Maryland Board of Physicians.

0:33:41 Thomas: Oh, come on.

0:33:42 Jenessa: Yeah. So here's the thing is it will immediately get reversed.

0:33:45 Thomas: Oh, okay. That is good.

0:33:46 Jenessa: Yeah, so they win, I think it was like $2 .5 million and an injunction to take it down. But the next court up is going to say, all right, yeah, I mean, maybe you shouldn't have done it. But they're going to ultimately find, first of all, that the Maryland board is immune from suit over this.

0:34:07 Lydia: Interesting.

0:34:07 Jenessa: And I saw an analysis of this that I think I kind of agree with said, there's a general phrase that goes around of bad facts make bad law. You had the most unsympathetic plaintiffs possible and a ridiculously egregious monetary award. There's no way $2 .5 million was appropriate damages for what happened here. He shouldn't have been prescribing.

0:34:32 Jenessa: They had to report that. Now, could they have redacted it? Sure. And they very quickly took it down. Could some amount of damages maybe have been appropriate? Sure.

0:34:42 Thomas: Well, also for whom? Maybe the family members, not him. Is he the one suing?

0:34:46 Jenessa: Yeah, I think it was all three of them as plaintiffs. I'd have to double check it. Yeah, like maybe some small amount of damages would have been appropriate. Maybe some qualified immunity rather than absolute would have Been appropriate. But they're so unsympathetic. And that number was so ridiculous, that it just ultimately led to this decision of like, no, no, they're just immune. Stop it. This is ridiculous.

0:35:12 Thomas: Which is probably not necessarily good, but yeah.

0:35:14 Jenessa: And yeah, like if they did this again in a more egregious way to somebody we don't hope dies in a fire. Maybe we would not like this. The way RFK Jr. is portraying it is, well, the Maryland Board of Physicians claims that he did this fake study and he lied to people and blah, blah, but he won a lawsuit against them for millions of dollars because that wasn't true. No. No? Yes.

0:35:42 Thomas: My God. That's just a lie. It sounds like he's just lying.

0:35:46 Jenessa: It's a super lie.

0:35:46 Thomas: Like he's lying all the fucking time.

0:35:48 Jenessa: Yeah. Unbelievable.

0:35:48 Thomas: Guy is the biggest fucking liar and people are sanitizing it because he somehow flunked his way up to this position and it drives me insane.

0:35:56 Lydia: Freaking brain worm.

0:35:57 Jenessa: Yeah. What really happened is a tiny, tangentially barely related thing. They won in the lower court and then lost on appeal. Unrelated. So no. Just a lie. A total lie. No, no, no. So basically, basically, this guy who's really enjoying some Nazi science is going to go through the CDC data and try to tell us whether autism is caused by vaccines.

0:36:28 Lydia: Yeah though.

0:36:24 Thomas: He's gonna tap it with his, uh, tap the data with his wand a little bit. What was it? Uh, I already forget. It was ultrasound wand. On yeah hmm state is not tapping quite right I think it's wrong I yes

0:36:31 Lydia: Yeah ultrasound one. Yeah wow.

0:36:38 Jenessa: So I think it's like really important here to just remember, I know there's a temptation for some people to feel like, well, does your opinion on something like necessarily disqualify you? Like, oh, let's speak yeah first of all yes at some point like yeah this has been debunked over and over and over again there comes a point where we have to abandon certain ideas as bs we don't have to keep entertaining it anymore also in addition to holding ideas that should themselves disqualify him from this position that's not even close to the problem this guy abused

0:36:50 Thomas: It does depends what it is but sometimes yes very much so yeah he

0:37:19 Jenessa: Children and And practiced medicine without a license and lied to parents and the patients and made shit up and prescribed drugs that weren't FDA approved. Like, this person has no sense of ethics about how to treat people and data and doesn't care. So, yeah, I don't trust a single word that's going to come out of his mouth and he shouldn't be within 500 feet of the CDC.

0:37:45 Thomas: Should be in jail

0:37:47 Lydia: Yeah. I think the child abuse angle is really smart because it's clear that that's what was happening. And I have not seen anyone talk about this guy in that way. And I think when you hear the details you're like yeah obviously that was abusive to these children who did not ask to be part of this thing whose parents were just trying to find help for something that they thought their kid had and they might not even had it. And it's just what do we do.

0:38:15 Lydia: How do we keep them away from people's data? I mean, like there are people I know out there that are not wanting to pursue assessments for their kids to get resources that their kids might desperately need for school, for, you know, any sort of environment that they're in because they are afraid of their data being included in this study for their kid becoming susceptible to who knows what they're going to do with this. You know, so I I don't know. It's tough decisions. Yeah.

0:38:34 Thomas: Well yeah I guess yeah I don't know about all that I just I think that these idiots are gonna do what they're gonna do they're gonna put their shit in the spreadsheet and they're going to manipulate it and do whatever ever. It's not really going to matter what data is in there.

0:38:53 Jenessa: Like, I definitely, I sympathize with that feeling, like, why parents are feeling that way. I mean, the services are so helpful. Having accommodations is so helpful, I would hate to imagine that somebody didn't get those accommodations, then none of this hopefully comes to pass, and we don't have autistic concentration camps, and you missed out on services for nothing. Thing. But I mean, yeah, historically, it's never been great when they start assembling a list of people with disabilities that hasn't gone well. You know, yeah.

0:39:32 Thomas: I always, yeah, but in terms of this personal decision, I just take it from the standpoint of if we're getting to the point where that's happening, I don't think the solution is, oh, well, you know, I thought ahead a little bit and withheld services from my child. So now he's not going to be one of the ones going into the camps with the rest. It is like, no, we are fucking at war then.

0:39:54 Thomas: That is not a thing. We are we're not doing that. We're not doing that well or and if it's if they're doing that then we all need to be literally fighting them like we're not saving it. The duty is not for you to save your kid by not filling out a form like the duty is like let's all get in the way, you know, like that's just not going to happen.

0:39:55 Jenessa: They're gonna find you. That's the reality. Yeah.

0:40:11 Jenessa: I would hope that we will not let this happen for a second time, because this is how it started in Nazi Germany. They had Dr. Hans Asperger developed Aspergers as a diagnostic criteria to separate out autistic kids who were not going to be productive and autistic kids, who would be labeled as Asperger's, who had high IQs and who could be productive to society. And they could go on their merry way. And the other kids were sent to a supposed children's hospital where they were killed.

0:40:51 Jenessa: And it was how they practiced mass killing techniques that would later be used on other populations

0:40:57 Thomas: I got to look that up. I had seen it presented the other way that he was able to save the kids that like but I don't know. I that's what I saw presented either way point stands like we don't need to to be doing this

0:41:08 Jenessa: Yeah the narrative has flip -flopped a lot over time of like was he this hero trying to save some of them or like did he know did he Know that some of the kids he labeled as like yeah not this one went to a baby death camp or what did he Now I am very persuaded by the he was not on the good good guy side, but there's some level of interpretation open. The point being, this has happened before. This would not be a first shocking time. Regardless, this is going to get kids killed.

0:41:46 Jenessa: Spreading this idea that getting a vaccine is damaging your child, that will get children killed because they will not get life -saving vaccines. Vaccines autistic kids are going to be labeled as a problem and they're going to be traumatized and they are not going to get their vaccines and they were going to be killed by that so like this is already so unbelievably damaging yeah

0:42:12 Lydia: It also just feels like for I mean we already said RFK is a liar right he's a big fat liar, but I just think about Bill Cassidy a lot and like what do you think is going through his head right now. Yeah.

0:42:22 Jenessa: I mean the cognitive dissonance must be through the roof

0:42:26 Thomas: Think he did he tried to do the thing that would make him okay with what he was doing it was never gonna work and it didn't work I don't

0:42:33 Lydia: I don't know. Yeah. It's just it's it's just so crazy to me that someone.

0:42:36 Thomas: Know we didn't I don'T think this show necessarily knows who that is

0:42:39 Lydia: OK. Yeah, Senator Bill Cassidy, pediatrician. He talks a lot about the moment that changed his life when he saved a child.

0:42:46 Thomas: Well the whole thing could have been avoided had this person been able to get a vaccine because it was like a transplant I think that they he needed to. Yeah. But anyway, point is, he's like almost a sensible -ish Republican, one of the few remaining. And he basically gave the okay to

0:42:51 Lydia: Right. Right? And they were like airlifted to get it done. But yeah, gave in.

0:43:05 Thomas: RFK Jr., I think, because realistically, I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure what he could have done if his one vote would have made a difference. But he made RFK swear he was never going to touch vaccines and all this stuff. And it just, yeah, Yeah. I don't know. Never. I never had any faith that that was going to work.

0:43:23 Jenessa: Yeah he like promised that he would be consulting senator Cassidy and like bringing him in And yeah,

0:43:27 Lydia: Yeah. And then this is just like such an obvious move like to bring on someone as evil as this someone who like again abusive of children and you have this pediatrician who like signed off on this guy's, you know, appointment for RFK. Like, I don't know. I don't know how he would sleep at night, but that's just me. Hmm.

0:43:49 Jenessa: So that's where we're at. This guy is going to make money on this.

0:43:53 Thomas: Yeah, so I feel like whatever he comes up with is not going to be anything is what it sounds like.

0:43:59 Jenessa: No, I can't. He doesn't have the necessary skills to begin with. He's not a medical doctor. He'S not a psychologist. HeS not a psychiatrist. He does not have the data analytics skills. Details and even if he did he clearly has demonstrated he doesn't care to do it properly in the first place so no I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of this if it comes out exactly the way I expect I would still be like yeah but it's a pile of bullshit I want somebody who knows what they're doing to do this

0:44:30 Thomas: Yeah yeah yeah. So what do we have any uh anything to track? What's the next? What do we expect to happen? Is he just like gonna be crunching his little numbers or something for a while? Yeah.

0:44:39 Jenessa: Yeah I mean that's the problem is like this is a position within the the Department of Health and Human Services, RFK Jr. can pretty much only be either fired by Trump or impeached by the Senate. And anybody RFK Sr. hires is like, it's up to him mostly to hire and fire. We have very little input on this other than like, your senator's not going to impeach RFK? Maybe they will. Maybe they will. I don't know. I never want to tell you not to try.

0:45:13 Thomas: We just need to get the word out on that this guy is a sicko weird child harming person. Like that's all we it's all all we can do but I mean like what's the next step in what they're trying to do like is he on a timer to release like some report or something like what is the or is it just like he's in a position okay

0:45:19 Jenessa: At a minimum, yes. Oh, I haven't heard... Yeah.

0:45:29 Lydia: Yeah, I think RFK has said September.

0:45:32 Jenessa: Well, that's when he said many months ago, by September, we would know the cause of autism. That deadline's been getting closer and closer. I've not seen even fake progress on that, so I don'T quite know, but yeah.

0:45:45 Thomas: And I'm sure uh we'll have the full self -driving teslas as well something that elon promises every few

0:45:53 Jenessa: Yeah, I don't know, man. Yeah, Yeah, I think he's just gonna be there with access to a whole bunch of health records and doing whatever the hell he wants with it. I don't know. I haven't seen like a timeline or like assembling a team that's gonna research this. I've mostly just seen people yelling.

0:46:12 Thomas: Weeks how do you even populate that team like who is shitty enough to go on that team you have a truly empty Arkham Asylum to do that that's yeah all right well uh thanks for you know thanks telling us how much a fucking criminal shouldn't be nowhere near any of this and should be uh in prison cool I'm

0:46:29 Jenessa: I, yeah. Yeah. Yay.

0:46:30 Lydia: Hmm, but before

0:46:38 Jenessa: So fun.

0:46:40 Lydia: We let you go, Jenessa, I want to hear this from from RFK's beautiful voice.

0:46:44 Jenessa: Hmm why are you doing this to

0:46:45 Thomas: Sure he has an explanation

0:46:48 Lydia: So just a couple of weeks ago, there was a Senate hearing where RFK, you know, they're talking about the budget, right? Because all the different agencies have submitted their budget. And Maggie Hassan from New Hampshire took this as an opportunity to start asking some questions about his hiring of David Geyer.

0:47:03 Thomas: Who

0:47:04 Clip: Now, you lead the nation's health department, so let me ask you a couple of questions. Do you think HHS should employ anyone who has endangered the health of children?

0:47:10 Thomas: The fuck are

0:47:11 Lydia: Yeah.

0:47:17 Clip: You hired David Geyer to lead autism research at HHS an individual who fraudulently posed as a doctor and gave dangerous medications and medical tests to children with autism according to the state of Maryland's investigation David Geyer who has no medical license or training gave hormone blocker injections to children autism who were as young as eight years old, which the Maryland Board of Medicine said poses a substantial risk of harm. Secretary Kennedy, yes or no, will you fire David Geyer? First of all, what you're saying is not true. And we did not hire David Geyer to manage autism research at HHS. You just said some very defamatory things about a person who, by the way. So let me just be clear for the record. Those charges, Senator, I am going to correct the record on this because you have defamed the person. Let me tell you what the record says, and then I will hear from you. Last week, when Mr. O'Neill was here in his confirmation hearing, I submitted for the record the charge that the state of Maryland laid out. Now, if you'd like also for me to submit to the record with unanimous consent today the findings of the state of Maryland, which fined him $10,000 for practicing medicine without a license. License, he does not have a medical license, and for providing and instructing and giving children hormone blockers. That is what the founding of the Maryland Department, the State of Maryland Medical Licensing Board was. And I'll submit that for the record, I hope with I'm assuming that you don't know what I'm about to tell you, or you wouldn't say something that was so dishonest you might you may or may not know that David Geyer sued the American oh I do know that I do know that that doesn't change the findings nor does it change the experience of the parents who testified that finding was reversed by court and he was awarded five million dollars that is not true now let me let me ask so I just want

0:49:23 Lydia: What? What?

0:49:27 Clip: Confirmation. David Geyer is still at HHS. I wrote you a letter about this a month ago and you have not responded. Well, I apologize for that. That's our bad. And I will respond. But David Gneyer is not managing autism research. So what is his job? What is his, what is this job at HHHS? This is somebody who gave parents the impression that he was a doctor and gave hormone blockers to children as young as eight telling them that hormone blockers would somehow magically

0:49:39 Thomas: You oh my god oh okay he's just ultrasound tapper that's all is why

0:49:57 Clip: Magically help their kids with autism his father is a very was his father as a

0:50:03 Thomas: What does it have to do with anything

0:50:03 Clip: Doctor but he is not and his father was not in the room and why not and and he faked his father's signature according to the State Board of Medicine and that ruling was overturned by a court so what you're saying is just wrong it's just a lie and they were actually the court said that the Maryland Board of physicians, was guilty of actual malice in fabricating those charges against David Geyer.

0:50:28 Clip: Well, we will pursue this. And I will submit for the record. So do you want to know why we brought David Gneyer in? Because it wasn't to run autism research. In 2002, the CDC runs a vaccine safety data link, which is supposed to be the vaccine information for the biggest HMOs that are supposed to allow CDC to have a surveillance system for vaccine injury. It's a backstop system. The CDC will not let any physicians in there to look at it or any scientists, independent scientists. He's neither a scientist nor a physician. Right. Congress ordered CDC to open it to the guyers. So they are the only scientists who

0:50:36 Thomas: Huh what

0:51:08 Jenessa: True yeah

0:51:14 Thomas: Unreal

0:51:16 Clip: But again, Mr. Geyer is not a scientist. Senator Heston's time has expired, but before we move on, did you have a unanimous consent request that I heard in there, Senator?

0:51:27 Lydia: Frigging Josh Hawley. Yeah. Oh, really?

0:51:28 Thomas: Unreal fuck off back

0:51:32 Jenessa: Oh I forgot yeah uh senator did in fact at one point get them into cdc data they pulled some strings on that one too so

0:51:41 Thomas: In yeah back way long ago so they did have some connections or something right

0:51:41 Lydia: In 2002? Yeah?

0:51:45 Jenessa: Yeah they even like all these people know each other There was a guy who testified as the expert for Dr. Geyer as like why he shouldn't lose his medical license. And it's a guy Who, a year prior to that, wrote a book with Jenny McCarthy about like anti vaccine stuff. Of all of these people know each other. They're all working together. And sometimes they get the ear of a congressperson and all of a sudden they're in the freaking CDC database. I don't know what is going on. And like some of them are hanging out at the NIH and I don'T like it. I, yeah, anyway.

0:52:23 Lydia: On that happy note. Yeah, that's so crazy, man.

0:52:27 Thomas: All right. Well, fuck that child abuser. And yeah, we'll keep an eye on this and hopefully we can get the word out. Share this with your friends. Yeah.

0:52:37 Lydia: Please share this with your dear Congress people.

0:52:41 Thomas: Thanks so much, Jenessa. As always, it's a pleasure. It sucks, but at least we can be mad together. And I value that. All right, well, until next time.

0:53:10 Jenessa: Putting illegal drugs up their butt.