DOD200: We Absolutely Did Not Realize It Was Episode 200! WOOOO!

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0:00:02 Clip: I'm the cool dad. That's my thing. I know now what I can offer you that no one else can. Complete and honor dependent. I'm a man. I'm sensitive. I need to feel loved. I need to be desired.

0:00:22 Clip: Telling is the only part of being a father that I enjoy.

0:00:29 Tom: Dear Old Dads, the podcast that's counting calories. I'm Tom Curry. I've joined, as always, by Thomas Smith and Eli Bosnick. Hello, gentlemen.

0:00:38 Eli: Ready to get ripped? That's right, everybody. We've become a fitness podcast. Yes. Descend into the manosphere, like the rest of podcasting, we're going to start out, like Justin Baldoni, as fitness podcast. We're going talk mostly workout routines today, diet, getting tight, getting cut, getting ripped, and eating plain chicken breasts in what is not an expression of a very obvious eating disorder. So buckle in.

0:01:05 Tom: And we are recording from our cold plunges. That's what we decided, right, guys? If you hear the splish and splash, you're in your cold plunge.

0:01:14 Eli: I'm in my...

0:01:15 Thomas: I'll be right there I'll just definitely god I tried a cold shower once as don't remember why, just to see. Hell. It's actual hell. And then you wonder, how did anyone survive a single day on earth before the year 1987? Like, level of discomfort?

0:01:30 Eli: When I was around.

0:01:31 Tom: Miserably, miserably. Yeah, just absolutely. Have you guys ever done a cold plunge like for fitness reasons or whatever?

0:01:37 Eli: That's

0:01:37 Thomas: Tried. So back in cross country and track and in high school, people would do the stand in a bucket of literal ice water. And there is a few times only like one or two times was if you get past the numbness, then it's fine. But something about this is where I learned I either have more nerves than other people or maybe I'm just a giant coward, but I couldn't

0:01:59 Eli: What I was going to say.

0:02:00 Thomas: Do it. Like I would get in the thing. I would wait a while. And I was like, this is literally like someone is cutting my legs off. Like it hurts that level of bad and I can't do it I did it once and I was like I can't I can't do it it's impossible yeah

0:02:12 Eli: That whole ice bath thing, I have a theory that most people aren't having an inner experience.

0:02:19 Eli: And that's why they can do that stuff. Like, you ever talk to people who are doing a polar plunge? And you're like, hey, why are you doing this? And all of them, without saying it, are like, I'm a philosophical zombie. Like moving and reacting the way plants and trees react. But I have nothing resembling the inner experience you're having.

0:02:26 Thomas: Yeah

0:02:36 Tom: Jesus

0:02:34 Thomas: Look I know Eli does this every episode but I sort of agree and then you think like oh yeah at least people have different numbers and locations and quantity of nerve endings and it's weird to fathom like oh we all have a different experience of stuff like that and there's never any possible way to know what's going on you know what I mean like It's like seeing color. We don't know that our colors all look the same exactly. We just have the same labels for them. We can't know, like, do I have just more fucking nerve endings in my shins? And that's why I couldn't do it.

0:02:44 Eli: What my red is your green?

0:03:10 Thomas: Yeah, could be. We'd never know.

0:03:12 Eli: Old dad stonerisms. Sure that wasn't laced with anything? But hey, podcast listener, you know the only thing worse than knowing that you're surrounded by literal unconscious beings? Why? It's the auto ads inserting themselves into your podcast like the faceless masses insert themselves into Your Democracy. But you can put an end to it by doing a mass shooting at a Trump rally. Or, or, or

0:03:34 Tom: What? No, nope, nope. That's not an option.

0:03:36 Thomas: I want to keep it. Can I keep it? I could keep it, right? It's satire.

0:03:38 Eli: Any Republican event.

0:03:40 Tom: No, no, no. No.

0:03:45 Thomas: Satire, everybody. Satire.

0:03:46 Eli: Satire. It's satire. Anyways, check out like websites and stuff. They list where they're going to be. The point is, if you go to patreon.com/dear old dads, you can have an ad-free version of our show. And that's almost as glorious as the feeling of revenge against the faceless masses of Trump supporters, none of whom will be armed and all of whom we'll be facing away from you over at patreon.

0:04:04 Tom: My Lord. Oh God. Damn.

0:04:10 Eli: Com forward slash. Dear old dads.

0:04:10 Tom: Can record three, two, one

0:04:14 Eli: I'm Tom Curry.

0:04:15 Tom: Recording. I'm

0:04:15 Thomas: And satirist.

0:04:16 Tom: On everybody on.

0:04:17 Thomas: I'm Tom Curtis.

0:04:17 Eli: I'm tomcurry. Patreon .com forward slash.

0:04:20 Tom: Am not. You do not. This man does not speak for me. This men does not represent my views.

0:04:25 Thomas: You better

0:04:24 Eli: I am the Rorex and I speak for the Toms.

0:04:26 Thomas: Hope we never get popular enough for anyone to notice this. You better help because we live in the time where we could just get deported to an El Salvadorian prison for this conduct.

0:04:35 Eli: Do. We do live in that time. Or One of us could be trying to be hired as a teacher right now and just live with the constant presence of any one person in my state saying, we should listen to an episode of his podcast, huh? And it's all, the jig is up! The jig isup.

0:04:36 Tom: Want that. I really don't want.

0:04:53 Eli: Patreon .com.

0:04:52 Tom: I'm sorry, guys. I'm messaging Pete Hegseth on Signal right now to come up with my alibi, so it's fine.

0:04:58 Eli: Keeps responding, you up. It's pretty upsetting.

0:04:59 Tom: He just keeps texting me war plans. I am trying to have a different conversation right now.

0:05:04 Eli: But it's a screenshot of a picture of someone's phone. It''s not great.

0:05:07 Thomas: So pathetic. Yeah.

0:05:10 Eli: And as we say on our new fitness podcast, ripped ripped into it. I think I forgot rip into it last episode.

0:05:17 Thomas: Sorry.

0:05:17 Eli: You'll know because Lydia took her own life.

0:05:19 Tom: Jesus Christ. Jesus.

0:05:22 Eli: RIP Lydia.

0:05:22 Thomas: Only a slight exaggeration.

0:05:23 Tom: Eli is on a roll.

0:05:25 Eli: Thomas might not have been ready to commit to marriage to you, but we were ready to commitment to you being alive.

0:05:30 Tom: For 10 more. Thomas is committed for 10 more years. He's locked in.

0:05:33 Thomas: 10 more years.

0:05:34 Tom: It's a 10 -year renewal. It is like a lease.

0:05:33 Eli: He wasn't. He said, if you play back the tape, Lydia's ghost.

0:05:38 Tom: Unless the miles get too many, you know.

0:05:40 Eli: Lydia's ghost, if you play back the tape, he starts to say, I'd like another 10 years. And then he's like, hey, let's relax.

0:05:45 Thomas: Well, we revisit. There's a provision where we can look at it every year to renegotiate, you know.

0:05:50 Eli: Lydia, steal the marriage.

0:05:54 Thomas: Steal the marriage.

0:05:52 Tom: Change the passwords for your marriage certificate.

0:05:55 Eli: Steal the marriage, yeah.

0:05:56 Thomas: Think she already did. Did. I

0:05:59 Tom: Right, guys, so we got an email. I think this is a good one. I'll read it to you guys. Hey, guys. I have a not -so -serious question, but also assuming that does come up. I frame my question as a word problem. When you're typing an email with a question, they're all word problems. One wants to go on a diet. Partner two supports the decision, but does not personally want to go How should partner two handle eating sweets going forward? A, change nothing and eat sweets in front of their partner. B, eat sweets alone and keep it secret. C, eat treats alone, but be honest about it. D, give up sweets altogether, but then what is the point of living?

0:06:46 Thomas: Sure.

0:06:46 Eli: Sure.

0:06:47 Tom: I think that does cover the basis pretty good.

0:06:50 Thomas: Well, my follow -up is, first off, do you think this is a genuine, oh, I just want to go on a diet, or do you think it was an attempt to just get the other person to go on a diet yeah because it would change my answer to this question you know what I mean sure

0:06:58 Eli: Put you on a diet, yeah Yeah, the need to presume some things. One, we do assume that the person going on a diet actually wants to go on a Diet. And we need you to presume that the Person going on A Diet is doing so for positive health reasons because those are two big butts.

0:07:15 Thomas: We'll go with that because

0:07:16 Eli: Those are really necessary. To how much you need to match your partner's diet, I mean, as someone who has been on a 12 years old um like diets take a lot of different forms here's what I'll say here's my fucking diet hot take and obviously you know don't take diet advice from a podcast give your baby a full bottle of tylenol um diets shouldn't be an elimination of sweets They might cut down on sweets. They might work sweets into your diet in a different way. But a healthy diet should not eliminate any food that you are not allergic to from your diet.

0:07:54 Thomas: You won't stick to it you think or what yeah

0:07:56 Tom: I mean, the data on diets is there's a lot of it and it's pretty bleak. So like as somebody who's lost a lot weight and kept it off for the last 10 years, wait, what year is it?

0:08:04 Eli: Traitor.

0:08:06 Tom: Years, I've done pretty good. I've lost about 80 pounds and I kept off about 65, 70 pounds, so.

0:08:10 Eli: It was the worst. You remember Fat Tom,

0:08:05 Thomas: I barely remember fat tom it

0:08:13 Eli: Fat Tom was the best.

0:08:14 Thomas: Was a different tom for sure yeah

0:08:15 Tom: It was a different time. Yeah, I was I was pushing close to 300.

0:08:16 Eli: It Better Tom. Married to a different lady.

0:08:20 Tom: So it was not a better time. I promise that. Of the data on diets says the same thing, like I am a much happier time now, actually. But it says all the same things like I'm a tired. I was tired then, too.

0:08:27 Eli: Happier Tom. Not shocked awake Tom. Tired Tom. Yeah, there you go.

0:08:39 Tom: But like most diets, if you look at them with like any kind of a long view, they fail. Even if people lose weight most of the time, if they're not sustainable, not only do you gain the weight back, but you also gain more weight back. And matter if you go keto or you go Atkins or you low carb or, you know, all carbs or fucking nothing but grass or it literally none of that stuff actually matters. At the end of the day, all the data pretty much says the same thing, that if you can't make sustainable life. Changing decisions. Like -term diets, the GLP -1s are the same thing. If you lose a bunch of weight with GLP1s, all the data says as soon as you stop taking the GLT -1, most people gain all of that or most of that weight back, if not more.

0:08:44 Thomas: What I saw, but okay

0:09:20 Tom: Got to make lifestyle changes that are sustainable. And most people can't make elimination exclusive changes. Like they just can't do it.

0:09:30 Eli: That elimination diets work significantly worse than calorie restriction diets, which are less fun and right? Don't take advice from a pocket. I think I already did that. I don't have to do it every time I say a sentence that seems fact -based. But like, generally, the agreed upon science is like, if you're doing a diet where it's like, I only eat blank or I never eat blank, those work worse. For most people, then I eat less of everything, right? Less of Everything is hard because it's about, at first, it's creating very strong new habits about how much of the Everything that you're eating, which is really hard and also very triggering if you've had, like, anorexia or all that.

0:10:06 Thomas: Well yeah and hardest part too to add on to the they agree with that is if you're doing it right, you should lose an imperceptible amount of weight over a long, you know what I mean? Like if, Well,

0:10:21 Tom: One to two pounds a week is the, is the sustainable standard.

0:10:21 Eli: One a year.

0:10:23 Thomas: Not a year. Yeah. I like I one, think two a week is like, well it depends on, okay. It depends on how big you are, but like in percentage terms, it's not going to be much. And humans everybody is so bad at it. And I don't even blame anybody doing a thing. That's intensely unpleasant, a lot of work, horrible. And you don't get to really see results for fucking ever it's just impossible to do and so like that's yeah that's why like the only real way to do it is a genuine lifestyle change that involves eating better and losing weight incredibly slowly and that's the only way it actually fucking works

0:10:43 Tom: It sucks ass. I, will say for me, like, you know, what, what helped because I'm a volume guy. Like I have a hard time, the volume of food that I eat. Yes. But the volume, the food that matters to me. When I used to go to restaurants, I would, and I still to some degree will do this. I'll scan the menu for what I think has the most volume.

0:11:00 Eli: Being quiet.

0:11:12 Tom: And Then I'll only pick stuff.

0:11:12 Thomas: I used to do the combination tom combination of cheapness and they added the the calories, did you start maximizing calories per dollar? Cause I a hundred percent Did.

0:11:19 Tom: I would look at, like, physically how much volume I think. If it's a salad, it's fine. But, like. How much volume am I going to get?

0:11:26 Thomas: Wow.

0:11:26 Tom: And And then because I'm always worried I'm not going to be full.

0:11:26 Thomas: How do you even measure that? He brought a bathtub to every meal and a did displacement test. Cause I, once I started putting the calories on stuff because I was still skinny and cheap back then.

0:11:37 Tom: I've never been skinny.

0:11:37 Thomas: Oh, Okay. I was skinny and cheap. Back then I was like, you know, 17, 18 started finally buying, like actually buying shit for myself. I Was like, well, I want to get the the most calories per dollar. So I do like the math of like, okay, a big ass burrito from Taco Bell. It's like, that's a shitload of calories for like $2. Bam. Did it?

0:11:56 Eli: Cut to me feeding Tom chips and he's like, excuse me, Google MOOC. Yeah no, I got you, bud.

0:12:01 Thomas: It's more calories if you have someone else feed you them. Cause you're not burning those calories. That's how you, yeah.

0:12:03 Eli: That's true. Yeah yeah

0:12:05 Tom: So I still I'll still struggle with like probably do my whole life, like the ideia of making sure that there's enough volume to feel sated. I just now know that like, all right, a way for me to get to sort of cheat the volume problem is to be like, I'm going to have a reasonable dinner. But an hour before dinner, I might have an apple and a big glass of water. So I'm gonna go into dinner.

0:12:24 Thomas: Smart.

0:12:25 Tom: With fiber and some water in there because my body is just a piece of shit that's like, you need a lot of volume to feel sated, right?

0:12:32 Eli: Yeah.

0:12:32 Tom: And then for me, the thing that really worked was increasing my basal metabolic rate. So your

0:12:38 Thomas: So use basil for that, huh? Okay. Delicious.

0:12:41 Eli: Have it dried, but you can also just buy the leaves and strip a stock in the car. Yep, that's what they say. Italian chef sitting on top of Tom's chest. I'm making Mr. Curry less hungry.

0:12:59 Tom: It's not working.

0:13:00 Eli: That's how you and Cecil really met. I knew the philosophy thing didn't make any sense.

0:13:04 Tom: That was bullshit. It was all the basil club. The way to increase that is just to increase your muscle mass. It won't make you less hungry. You'll continue to eat more, but you burn more calories in resting state in order to maintain your size. That's dangerous. I will say, too, that's

0:13:17 Thomas: Shit you get so fucking hot everybody just wants to fuck you all the time

0:13:25 Tom: As you get older, like people will lose muscle mass naturally.

0:13:29 Thomas: Rip doors off the hinges you know oh Just

0:13:34 Tom: Like I'm 47. I still eat like I'm 25, you but I also like I purposely carry around a fair amount of muscle so that that's sustainable.

0:13:42 Thomas: In a bag yeah I do Too

0:13:46 Eli: From that guy at Ben and Jerry's who spilled the shakes on me.

0:13:48 Tom: Yeah. You know what? He didn't do it twice. He didn's fucking spill them twice.

0:13:51 Thomas: Tom like actually had him work out before he killed him he's like you don't have enough muscle mass I'm doing the calculations for my basil

0:13:58 Eli: I want to put a lot of basil on these mussels. Could say I'm going to season them liberally. Am I right? Am I

0:14:08 Thomas: So even got past the assumptions phase did we

0:14:12 Tom: Well, okay. So your partner is, your partner, is, is going on a diet. They're making changes. I have a pretty easy answer, but I want to know where you guys are at with it.

0:14:21 Eli: So, so, again, you start with restriction, right? And then it becomes lifestyle change. It becomes about putting protein first. It comes about figuring out the right way, the volumes, your own habits, the way that you can snack healthily in a way that like, right. Putting snacks around your house that make you feel full, that don't make you deprived, noticing your own eating habits. I really recommend Noom. I like Noom a lot. It's a calorie counting app, but it also uses CBT to talk about your attitudes towards food. Gets you in a habit of weighing yourself, which is one of the biggest factors when it comes to weight loss is that people in a healthy mindset towards diet almost never weigh themselves because it's discouraging.

0:14:59 Eli: And so Noom is like, weigh yourself every day. And it just gets you into the habit of. Logging your meals but then again you're just making healthier choices you're making protein forward choices that kind of stuff like so my What my actual advice in this situation is, is once you and your partner find that healthy place beyond restriction, right? Because restriction is the first thing that every diet begins with is just cutting back and feeling angry and getting the diet flu and feeling shitty, right, like obviously that's the first phase. That's a week, that's two weeks, depending on how long your person's been eating like that. But then the not eating sweets part should be over, right. And they should have a new way of looking at sweets, a new sweets. And so you should absolutely revel in those sweets with them. And they should try to create that sweets eating situation you had before the diet as authentically as possible. Right? So I'll give you all an example. Something that I do is I chew gum constantly because I like having my mouth full. All the time. And so I choose zero calorie.

0:15:57 Thomas: Sucked a dick corner, a corner where Eli sucks dicks all the time.

0:16:01 Eli: Dicks. Also, we're a babysitting time, Mrs. Kids. But it's OK. I didn't suck any dicks there. It's just the spot I had. Yeah, so I like chew gum constantly throughout my day all time, in fact, almost everyone always guesses I'm a smoker. Like, do you used to smoke? And I'm like, no, fat. Right. But like, that's. Is a way that I have learned to sort of deal with the want to put something in my mouth urge.

0:16:25 Thomas: Right. I'll be the first one to go ahead and say it. Everyone should just do GLP once. Just get a GLP one if you can. Hundred percent.

0:16:30 Eli: 100. Yes. Everybody agrees that if you can do GLP -1s, if you are heavy enough, you absolutely should take the miracle pill.

0:16:40 Thomas: It. Yes. Here's OK. Let let me

0:16:41 Eli: Don' t listen to Tom.

0:16:41 Thomas: Answer the let me enter

0:16:43 Eli: Take them.

0:16:43 Thomas: The question first, which is the question for Tom doesn't have to say it, I'm saying the question. First, though, is it's like everything. Shouldn't this be a communication thing? What does your partner think? What What is your partner want you to do? That I, absent from the email? It didn't seem like the, partner, you would just be like, Hey, how do you want me to handle this? Oh, I'd appreciate it if you did X. And if they demanded, I stopped sweets or something, I don't think that's okay. You can't make someone do a diet, but no.

0:16:43 Tom: That's not. I don't say that. You make somebody go on a diet with you. No, you can't. That's

0:17:08 Thomas: But if they're like, I appreciate if, you don't mind like keeping your own little like cubby or something with them, you're on little part of the whatever you know I think that's reasonable you know like I I think there's nothing wrong with that so I I'm just surprised that that wasn't kind of in the question I would think that would be the main part of it is just ask your partner how they want you to handle it so but I'm go and say I a glp one because I got to the point where I underwent and and tom um could could be a superhuman like tom who's also gonna you know collapse any moment or you can be like the rest of us I I underwent two years of sheer existential stress that

0:17:08 Tom: Fucked up. Yeah. You're not wrong.

0:17:41 Eli: What happened?

0:17:41 Thomas: That uh I just things weren't great and uh gained a lot of weight that was for me for me like just my I everyone whatever has their own sense of things I did not like where I I already was like oh I'm a little heavy I used to diet lose and a bunch of it and then like time would gain it back, obviously. But the part of that equation that I think is meaningful is you if you gain it back, you spent a lot of time without that weight, which is part of something they don't really mention with as part of the equation. Like it's still meaningful if you, you lost the weight for that

0:17:42 Eli: I'm gone? I get it. 500 pounds.

0:18:12 Tom: Look.

0:18:12 Eli: Got those cum

0:18:13 Thomas: Time period.

0:18:13 Eli: Gutters,

0:18:13 Tom: I that the people going into the GLP -1s should do their research on the regaining problem.

0:18:18 Thomas: Here, let me yeah, let mean let me finish my stick or whatever. Ever. I to the point where the dieting that used to do, and I'm very good at dieting because I don't lie to myself. Like I think that the number one thing everyone does, and they, I think there was a study on this more recently that actually tracked people better. They just lie to themselves. Like that's what you're doing. If you're not losing weight, most of the time, there might be something medical going on. Don't get me wrong. Most of the times it's people being like, well, that part didn't count. The chips I had there, that didn't, I didn't account that because like, it's just a, yep.

0:18:44 Eli: That's me, baby. I'm just sitting there being like, well, today was a tough day. So that.

0:18:49 Thomas: And And if it's a tough day, then your your body doesn't count the calories. And it's like, well, no, actually it just does. And you have to measure it. Yep. The other thing is servings. Like that can be tricky because even when you're calorie counting, if you order food from anywhere, like I had this with Chipotle, we had a meal that I do from Chipotle that's relatively healthy and was good for like the dieting. Cause it was, you know, like the healthy stuff, but the variance in terms of how much they would give me, not like not only between Chipotle is yeah, but like whoever's work in the fucking grill. It could be a double difference. And it's like, fuck, how am I supposed to deal with this? It's a really hard world out there to diet. Our food system sucks for so many reasons. And I got to the point where my same dieting wasn't working. I felt horrible. And I felt like, you know what? The universe owed me one. And so I was like, Fuck it. I'm going to do a GLP -1 to lose this weight. And I've lost now about 12 pounds.

0:19:12 Tom: Massive differences depending on who makes it. Yeah. Yeah, it That's great.

0:19:40 Thomas: And great. It's awesome. I love it. And my philosophy on it is the food system. Look, if the food system were all what fucking Goldberry and Tom Bombadil ate, then I would say, hey, take some responsibility. Use your bootstraps to, but like, we're not eating real fucking food. It's all the worst goddamn bullshit that's it's all hyper -processed to be the hardest thing for the human human body to stop eating. It's all designed for that because of capitalism. And I think the GLP -1 is in a weird way, the antidote to that, to be like, hey, here's what we're going to do. They're cheating. The food side is cheating. They make it impossible to stop. They're fucking cheating. It is horrible. We're going give you a little juicing. You're doing a little juicing where now you don't susceptible to their bullshit as much. And that's what the GLP one is. And when everyone was trashing GLP1, I had it in my mind that this was a daily injection. And I was like, okay, I can see how people would be like, yeah, it's a little rough to like be injecting something every day. It's once a fucking week. Are you kidding me? When I hear someone be like yeah, but you're gonna have to take it forever. Otherwise, I'm like, okay. Take 18 pills every fucking morning for my

0:20:48 Thomas: Brain. You're telling me one easy, meaningless injection a week. That is not hard at all.

0:20:48 Eli: And now they got a pill.

0:20:54 Thomas: And they might have a pill pretty soon.

0:20:56 Tom: They're working on the pill.

0:20:56 Thomas: They might have, I saw, yeah I just saw that. But like even the injection, not hard, not difficult. Called, it's once a week. I could do that for the rest of my life and not even notice. It's nothing.

0:20:54 Eli: They got a Thomas, let me share my journey because now it's time for me to tell you about my journey. I went to my doctor for my GLP -1. It was Eli's turn to feel good, get svelte, get tight, get cum gutters. And he was like, you're not fat enough. And I was like this is the first time a doctor has ever fucking everything. I have heard the opposite from every doctor ever. You're the one motherfucker. And it's not worth it. I don't want you to do that. I want you do Noom instead. Here's a coupon for the first three months free.

0:21:37 Thomas: You saw a doctor that was sponsored by Noom is the problem.

0:21:39 Eli: Fucking Noom. Dr.

0:21:40 Thomas: Literally did.

0:21:41 Eli: Noom is what I saw.

0:21:42 Thomas: Dr.

0:21:39 Tom: You did yeah dr newman's probably should have gone somewhere else yeah fucking

0:21:42 Thomas: Noom. So I would recommend if they still have them do an online service, because here's what happened to me. I actually was like, here's, what's going to happen. I'm going to tell the God's honest. And I thought, because here'S the thing about Tom, BMI is horrible. And because of my body type, I've always had a, like a silly BMI, like I've been, I would have not a drop of fat on me. And the BMI would say I'm morbidly obese. And I actually just saw the other day, Tom, I know Tom and I have this conversation all the time because it's so frustrating. We have the kinds of body types where it doesn't matter like what, you you're doing. They'll say you're morbidLY obese. I just saw an article that was like, Hey, they studied male athletes, like professional athletes and um of them bmi says they're like morbidly obese it's like yeah it's because it doesn't account for I didn't know it didn't account für like muscle mass I thought it was just because I have a big like and yeah

0:21:55 Tom: Nonsense yeah yeah obese yeah it's a math problem like it doesn't account for anything it's yeah oh

0:22:29 Thomas: Just wait and

0:22:29 Eli: Now, I give you a hot take? Can I defend the BMI?

0:22:33 Thomas: Yeah

0:22:33 Tom: My god you'd be the only one

0:22:35 Eli: Me defend the bmi okay so the guy who created bmi created it as one part of a seven part system and they were like whatever I like the one that's got division

0:22:46 Thomas: Yeah no fair enough fair enough and and it is an average so like for the exact average like body type, it probably is meaningful. But, that, um, so my thinking was, look, I don't think I'm like overweight enough to get this, but I was like, maybe because BMI always says I'm morbidly obese, maybe I'll just like be able to get it. And so I filled out, I didn't lie or anything. And then I got it. Out I later that it actually wasn't that it was because I had answered that I'm on a medication for anxiety. That's a blood pressure medication. And so it, it, that I have a blood pressure problem. And so because of that, their algorithm gave me like some, I don't know, fucking points for that.

0:23:20 Thomas: And so gave me the GLP one. I was torn about whether to answer that. I was taking that because I only take it. I take it rarely, you the blood pressure thing. I was I don''t want to have a bad drug interaction because I didn''t answer a question. So I'm going to say I take this. And that ended up being the reason that I got it. So that's pretty funny.

0:23:19 Eli: Fuck when gotta hook me up with dr drugs that sounds awesome

0:23:36 Thomas: Just online. Go to drugs .com.

0:23:38 Tom: Right so I I gotta I just got like I'm gonna be the the voice of maybe dissent shock of shocks so

0:23:41 Thomas: Ahead. Sure. No, go ahead. Yeah,

0:23:42 Eli: Here comes wet blanket we're thinking Innocents are made out of doctor. They put the demons inside them and they come out of your body.

0:23:51 Thomas: Tom, before you go to how many COVID vaccines have you had? Go ahead now.

0:23:54 Tom: I've had all of them I've been I've met everyone available in the united states

0:23:56 Eli: He still gets it once a week. I think it's weird.

0:23:58 Thomas: Incredible.

0:23:58 Tom: I get it every six months that's for sure yeah I

0:24:00 Eli: Gets it instead of a PCR test.

0:24:01 Thomas: It's more than the GLP -1 injection.

0:24:04 Tom: Had covid once so yeah but yeah

0:24:05 Eli: Vaccine, please. You have to stop coming here. Nope.

0:24:11 Tom: Takes a GLP -1. I'm not shitting on the GLP one. I'm a bootstraps guy. I think it's important to recognize losing weight is really fucking hard. It's

0:24:20 Thomas: I don't think you are.

0:24:21 Tom: Hard.

0:24:21 Thomas: I wouldn't.

0:24:21 Eli: You. Yeah, it's not a skinny

0:24:22 Tom: I know. I don't want the audience to send me a shit message because I get it. I

0:24:23 Eli: Piece of shit.

0:24:26 Thomas: Yeah and sorry to interrupt up, Tom, it is important anywhere online where people trash GLP -1s, they are that person. So it is important to differentiate. They are the person that says, oh, you should just eat better, fatty. You know, it's like, come on.

0:24:35 Tom: A hundred, but like, I, I wrestle with my weight to some degree my whole life. And I would love to lose more weight than I have. I think I'm just like, kind of like where I'm at, you know, like, like I don't think it's changing.

0:24:42 Thomas: Until Until we start that sweet, sweet GLP one.

0:24:48 Eli: Yeah, you could shock it into your system.

0:24:48 Tom: I will, I'll never do it. I'll

0:24:49 Thomas: Could have it all. You could have it all. Yeah.

0:24:51 Eli: You You could wake up and shock and stab. And then you come out of the universe machine and they're like, hey, man, you were in there too long.

0:25:02 Tom: Put me back in. I'm not coming. But have done some reading because I was curious about them. I was very curious about often if you take exogenous hormones, right? And GLP -1 is a hormone. It's that glucagon -like peptide is what it's called, glucagone -like Peptide -1. When we take exogeneous hormones, we signal our body to produce less of them endogenously. So which means that my body now produces much, much less testosterone. The supplementation of testosterone that I have through my doctor is now that's like I'm locked in for life. I have to recognize that. I'm blocked in for my life. Because if I stop it, I'm going to feel like complete shit until my body decides to turn its own testosterone factory back on, right? Because it's basically shut that shit down because I've got this coming in from outside. It may or may not turn that factory back up, right, so for some people it does, for some it doesn't. So I think you just kind of have to recognize that, yeah, this is most likely going to be a lifelong thing that you're doing. A lot of people look at it as, I'm going to take it until I lose the weight. And if they take it until they lose weight and then they stop because it's expensive or their finances change, their insurance doesn't cover it or the compounding pharmacy situation, which is where a lot of

0:26:18 Eli: Tom

0:26:18 Tom: People are getting it, may change.

0:26:18 Eli: Comes to their house and steals it.

0:26:21 Tom: It can put you in a spot where your body is no longer producing much of the GLP -1 yourself. They're not secreting that GLP when it's yourself, which means that your hunger signals may actually increase from what they were prior to taking GLP one. And that's a big part of why they theorize. Many people, not all, many people on cessation of GLP -1s regain not the same, but more weight, but also regaining more weight after cessation. If any diet plan is fairly typical and that yo -yo up, down, up, higher, down up, up higher is really typical and dangerous for people in diets. That's why this whole, the whole diet thing is really. It's really fraught and it really should be considered very, very carefully. So I'm not shitting on it. I am shitting compounding pharmacies. I do think compounding

0:27:10 Thomas: Is I do think it's, I shouldn't probably be on it. I don't think I gained enough weight to really be doing it. But the only way I'm talking about it is cause I can't have people think that I like lost talking like, oh yeah, I lost weight. And then people think it'S cause I did a diet, which I didn'T do. Like I can'T, it'S just too false. So I have to confess I'm taking a GLP -1. Thing that you might not take into consideration, Tom, that I didn't know was because of how it affects everything and it affects your stomach like crazy, you really do change the way you eat. It's not about less. It's partially about less, but it actually makes you not eat certain like if I when I'm on it, if I eat like a sugary dessert nonsense, it's like it's the weirdest fucking thing. Your whole everything dies like it'S like a bomb went off in your gut. And so it does actually also change your habits in a way that I think is pretty sticky. And so that could be a part of it that may help if Now, maybe you're right. I don't know. Maybe it just undoes and goes right back. But, like, it has changed the way I eat food and think about food and what I want to eat.

0:28:10 Tom: So from I've seen of the preliminary science on regaining after people stop is only about 10 % of people after they stop the GLP -1s are able to keep their weight loss and not regain the same amount or more weight. So if you look at it as a lifetime thing, then that's okay. Go into it knowing that that's accurate or very likely to be accurate, right? Same thing I think of with the supplementation I do. I'm in. I have to to realize like I am locked into some form of supplementation for the rest of my life because my body is kind of just like it's the longer I'm on it, the less time it's just not going to turn the fucking testosterone factory back on.

0:28:50 Thomas: I'm also seeing mixed things on the studies. I'm seeing studies the other way, too. And I haven't done that. Like, I personally haven't been able to do that. I haven' done the, like... I would consider a full...

0:28:58 Tom: And I would love to be wrong. Don't get me wrong.

0:29:00 Tom: I think if I'm wrong, I would be thrilled to be right. I would like for there to be something that lets people lose weight and then stop taking the thing. Because anytime we're reliant on something like that, I think it's potentially Your financial situation could shift. Your insurance coverage could shift things that are outside of your control can move for you in a way that says, OK, I can't prioritize this anymore. So that stuff kind of makes. And I will say, like, I am also. I would never purchase anything personally from a compounding pharmacy. That's -sum issue for me.

0:29:32 Eli: Tom, you've answered this a couple of times now. Would you like to tell everybody why you don't like compound pharmacy?

0:29:36 Tom: Compounded pharmacies live entirely outside of FDA regulations. So the FDA has no purview over compounding pharmacies at all.

0:29:43 Eli: Tom drops a book. Oh, did someone say compound pharmacy is it?

0:29:48 Thomas: Yeah,

0:29:48 Tom: No, like it's just it's right on the it's right on the FDA's website that they don't review compounded medicines at all so they don' t they Don' t review them for safety they Don'T review them at all they're Outside they're completely outside The FDA's purview and there have been Problems in the past

0:30:01 Eli: Rogue outsiders. So you, so what you're saying is they might be even better at making medicine than the people with oversight.

0:30:09 Thomas: One of the doses was just straight heroin. It was great. I think it was fucking awesome.

0:30:12 Eli: Was awesome. Yeah.

0:30:13 Tom: Well problems in the past with compounding pharmacies because the financial incentive is to produce something and sell it. And so compounding pharmacy is having the past gotten dosages wrong. They've had facilities that weren't clean. They're meant to be a stopgap. They are not meant to. But because of the way this these have become multibillion dollar drugs, they are full production sites now, which is it's not what any of them are intended for. So for me, I'm like, like, that makes me nervous. Like, I don't trust the capitalist kind of incentive structure outside of any kind of regulatory guideline to make me feel comfortable.

0:30:51 Eli: Right. So for those who are unaware of sort of the history, what compound pharmacies as a business model were created for are like, oh, no, everybody is getting strep this year. And so we're we're running out of penicillin. We're running under this particular antibiotic.

0:31:18 Eli: And Right. The idea. And then they were like, or we just sell our services on the Internet. And because of the emergency nature of how we needed compound pharmacies to be used, it was pretty much impossible to make that illegal without also making a compound pharmacy as a concept like. Impossible to have uh that's why you like whenever you see on the internet someone's like try squirps we'll at squirp .com you'll talk to a real doctor who will and those people are very often working with a compound pharmacy but like instead of it being cvs making extra penicillin the compound pharmacy is just squirpse .com and they make nothing but glp1 exactly

0:32:00 Thomas: So so to this, I would say it sounds like a legit concern for one. Now there is no FDA or regulation of anything. So we're all fucked. But two,

0:32:08 Eli: So it does matter

0:32:08 Thomas: There's also look at your state because I actually think California does regulate compounding pharmacies. And I think there might be state level. And that's where everything's going to be now anyway, because we don't they the government's raccoons.

0:32:08 Tom: That's true. That's true there

0:32:14 Eli: Fancy, fancy. That's have to drive to Pennsylvania to get a gun.

0:32:20 Tom: Are there are

0:32:21 Thomas: Yeah no and even the ones they regulated federally they don't have the personnel to actually like monitor anything or you know what I mean like it's not. I'm not saying there's no distinction there's definitely a distinction for sure and I'm not disagreeing with that

0:32:32 Eli: And Tom doesn't believe in doctors anyway, so it doesn't make, I don't know why he cares if they get a hand on the ball.

0:32:35 Thomas: But yeah I I I went with a uh I wouldn't go with a mom and pop fucking you know I went With a big brand thing to where if there's a problem if there'S a problem we're gonna hear about it on the news.

0:32:43 Eli: I would love a mom and pop GLP -1.

0:32:47 Thomas: And so that's why I figured the, the that incentive, the capitalist incentive there is about as strong as any of the other bullshit. Cause when, know, when the food system, I don't know drugs very well, but when like a meat packing plan or whatever, or it's actually more often vegetables, weirdly enough, um, that have all the, you know, the ,the, the foodborne illnesses and stuff. When that happens, nothing fucking happens anyway. Like it doesn't. So, so our system for that That is shit anyway. So I do think it's more about the capitalist prospect of that, to what extent it does actually hold anyone to account. And I think with this, it'll be a big news item if they fuck something up and, you know, you'll hear about me dying in the news. It'll be fine.

0:33:07 Tom: That's true yeah

0:33:21 Eli: Oh, man, I want to go to a mom-and-pop compound pharmacy where he's like, oh, one second, what'd you, you need GLP-1? Hey, ma! And then a lady with, like, flour on her hands, but it's pill dust comes out, and she's like What you need, honey? And you're like, um, GLP1? She's like Okay, you want it peach-flavored? No! And you're like, wow, this fucking sucks.

0:33:34 Thomas: They have that argument first. Yeah, they always have.

0:33:45 Eli: Back

0:33:46 Tom: So to the question if my wife I will say this if if hayley were I hate you if if ailey was like we

0:33:48 Eli: The crowd. My wife.

0:33:47 Thomas: My life it's so dumb we have to do it like it can't no it's so dumb

0:33:56 Tom: Have to I know if Haley was like, I'm going to go on a diet, I would 100 % go on that diet with her balls to the wall as long as she was looking. But that doesn't mean that like, if I was out at like, no, this is a diet. It's a little different. If so, like, cause if, that doesn't mean that, like if I didn't feel like I needed a diet I can't even imagine a world where Haley is on a I was like at a work lunch or something, I just order whatever the fuck I want. She's not going to be tempted. So it's not like I'm going to Yeah, I would.

0:34:07 Eli: So ready to be Polly, Tom. So close.

0:34:14 Thomas: Man

0:34:31 Tom: So, it's very different.

0:34:28 Thomas: Yeah

0:34:31 Eli: Right there, Tom, you're so close to the golden ring.

0:34:32 Thomas: I'm just letting eli say it

0:34:33 Tom: What we eat, yeah, what we eat for lunch is not the same thing. So yeah. It's a little different. A little different I would a thousand percent support her diet. So I think it's like, yeah in the spirit of the questions I alone and keep it secret. I would just be like, yeah, I'm just not going to fucking tell you what I had for lunch.

0:34:46 Thomas: Yeah so she can be polly no I'm just kidding well but step one you should talk to her about it right I mean if she's like hey tom I don't give a shit if you eat sweets yeah that's that's the part that's

0:34:56 Tom: Well, yeah. We're assuming that. I think we're assuming we're trying to be supportive, right? Yeah. Because if they don't care at all, but I don't think that's... I think it's easier to do things as a couple, isn't it? Isn't it easier to link arms and be like alright, let's fucking do this shit together?

0:35:05 Thomas: Yeah for sure yep yep

0:35:09 Tom: I think that is the spirit of the question.

0:35:11 Eli: Well, so let speak to that because I'm in sort of the opposite situation, which is that Anna has been figuring out her new relationship to her body post having kids. And so being on a diet for her right now would be an awful idea. One of the things that we've had to do with my perma diet is like, I am on a Are not judgments on the choices she makes.

0:35:40 Tom: Yeah, that would be that would Be tough, right? Because if you're Yeah, yeah, that Would be tough because There is a lot of shame associated with food, Right? There's a lot of shame as if I'm like, Yeah, not do the thing that I'm going to do and then like that I would feel weird eating ice cream, You know, I would Feel weird doing the Things that are normal Things for me.

0:35:43 Eli: Is. It's tough. Yeah, yeah. Right. And when are you nannying or momming your partner? Right. If you're reminding if they say like, because that is also a big thing is like, where is the line of holding your partner accountable to their goals? Right? Because you.

0:36:09 Thomas: Yeah that'S a big one yeah

0:36:11 Tom: I Would zero percent do That. There is a zero.

0:36:13 Eli: Well, so that's the thing,

0:36:14 Tom: I would not be. If Haley was like, I'd like you to be my fucking like accountability buddy or what, I'll be like, nope.

0:36:13 Thomas: Fair

0:36:20 Tom: There's a lot of shit I'll do for that woman. But if she was like will you give me a hard time, I would be like no. is not my role. We are not going to have a relationship like that.

0:36:27 Thomas: Because it turns into here's is this a reference you get better Eli it turns Into when Harry has to get uh fucking Gandalf uh uh who's the wizard when When Harry has to get Professor fucking, no, I was trying to do, no.

0:36:36 Eli: Oh, you showed me Thomas. You fucking shit. Yeah!

0:36:40 Thomas: I was, I Was trying to Do One You'll Relate To More. What's the guy, you know, Headmaster. Dumbledore. When Harry's trying to get Dumbledore to drink the fucking, it turns into that. Drink the, the, The Goblet, you Know, that has the curse on it. Yeah. Yeah. It turns into.

0:36:44 Eli: Dumbledore. His name is Albus Dumbledore. The potion, yeah? Have to keep drinking, Professor. What a fucking crazy...

0:36:55 Thomas: Hayley's, Hayley just literally strangling

0:36:57 Eli: Yeah.

0:36:57 Thomas: Tom.

0:37:00 Eli: I take a moment to just recognize that the professor drank it and he was like, oh, it's an insanity potion. All right, let's fucking do this thing. 17. Like there's not a time limit on getting the fucking locket, man. Just go back and be like, I'm going to get like three other guys and

0:37:16 Thomas: I'm going to get a grownup.

0:37:16 Eli: Work.

0:37:16 Thomas: Yeah. I'm gonna get a doctor.

0:37:17 Eli: I'm gonna get an adult who who this won't scar forever.

0:37:20 Thomas: For life. Yeah.

0:37:23 Eli: Going to grow up to be a cop.

0:37:28 Tom: So, Thomas, what if Lydia asked you to be on a diet with her? Would you do it?

0:37:32 Eli: He won't even commit to 10 more years of marriage.

0:37:36 Thomas: That's an interesting question. Yeah, I think I would probably I mean, it depends. It all depends. These are weird variables, because it's not a within our relationship that that wouldn't ever happen. So it's one of those trying to evaluate that. It.

0:37:47 Tom: Wait a minute. I'm curious about that. She would never be like, hey, I'm going to do I'm gonna make this like lifestyle change. Will you make this lifestyle change with me? Like, no.

0:37:54 Thomas: No, no. She, she's, she does something, it's cause I've done it and not even asked her to, that's how, that's how our relationship works. Like I went vegetarian

0:38:02 Tom: There's never a time where she'll be like I'm to start taking up like a fitness routine. You would do this thing with me like.

0:38:05 Thomas: Get, uh, well, okay. She's, she'S, she's done some fitness stuff. The problem is I play hockey. And so I'm kind of locked into that's my fitness. Um. And I don't have a lot of time to do a different thing, but there've been times where she's like, Hey, I'm going to do do the workout thing it'd be fun to do together and we did go a few times so there is that that's true but like to give you an example I decided I was going to go vegetarian in the year I don't know I guess it was 2020 I think it was during during covid and I never at all like I just was telling her like hey yeah I'm I'm gonna do this never even thought about whether or not she'd do it because it's not it's also the way I work like I don'T care you know I'm not going to make anyone else do a thing and I did I literally never even suggested she do it and she was like all right right, let's do it. And I was like, oh, oh. All right. Yeah, I guess that makes makes it a little easier. And then she just did it. We're just vegetarian ever since. The weirdest thing. I don't know. That's kind of more how we are. There have been times where I've done diets and she wants to do it as well. Yeah, she she's has a hard time getting people or wanting to ask or make people do anything. That'S like her biggest struggle. And it's hard with the kids, too, because you do have to boss around your kids sometimes. And IT's very counter

0:39:07 Thomas: To her nature so so yeah but then no you're I guess now that you say that she did she does like when we do little workouts together but uh that's yeah I

0:39:07 Eli: Come on, go to sleep. That's called fucking, Thomas. It's weird that you call it little work. I don't

0:39:19 Thomas: Was trying to be you know I was going to be uh pg you know

0:39:22 Eli: Like it. I like it as innuendo. And it's funny, my wife is the opposite. Everyone always assumes that Anna is vegan and she's just eating a steak actively next to my face. Yeah, exactly. But the lamb's alive?

0:39:29 Thomas: Leg of lamb yeah really

0:39:35 Tom: But you tempted by steak at all? Oh, you are. Oh, okay.

0:39:36 Eli: Yeah, of course I am.

0:39:38 Tom: I didn't know that though. I'm just learning this right now.

0:39:38 Thomas: I'm not anymore that's

0:39:40 Eli: No, I fucking love meat. Meat's delicious.

0:39:43 Thomas: So funny you like, cause it, it, I, I intellectually still think that, especially about bacon, but like, I don't want it. Like I actually, and I'm not even doing a thing. Like, I genuinely don't have a problem with that. It's weird.

0:39:55 Eli: Oh my God. Every time. So it's, it's interesting because I know a lot of vegetarians and vegans who are in that position. And every time they talk about the lab grown meat, I'm like, you fucking, you tell me with a second, I can sign up for a suffering free. Dude, when just egg came out and I tasted it and it wasn't the usual vegan vegetarian bullshit. I eat that shit every single day. Seven. Days a week, I make myself a just egg scramble because I fucking love eggs. The minute they come out with the fucking suffering -free meat, I'm in, baby. I'm all the way in.

0:40:05 Thomas: I will. I will absolutely eat that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Great. But I, something clicked in my brain. I don'T know. I 'VE always been like that. Like I kind of am all or nothing with stuff. You guys know me and I just like it clicked and I don' t, really think about it. Yeah. That's a joke. In five minutes into our fucking relationship. We never looked back. I've always been that.

0:40:48 Eli: Relationships aren't real. It doesn't count.

0:40:50 Thomas: But I will say if I tried to go vegan and someone was eating a good cheese in front of me, that would be, I don't think I could do. That's why I'm not vegan. I love cheese.

0:40:57 Eli: Oh yeah. Every time, every

0:40:59 Thomas: It's the best.

0:40:59 Eli: Time people bring beautiful cheeses in front of my house and I'm like, yeah, I want to eat that fucking cheese. I want the problem is I can't, once my mind has been changed, the other thing is like this. And I say this all the time.

0:41:14 Thomas: He's like, please convince me. Please, God, I want that hamburger so bad.

0:41:17 Eli: I'm If someone fucking power bombed Peter Singer's book into the earth and was like, here's the better way. And it involves eating meat. I would eat meat fucking now. At mid sentence, you would hear crispy, sweet, delicious bacon entering my mouth. And every time one of those crazy people, vegans are wrong books comes out. Know your boy gives it a gander it's stupid it's always some idiot being like but then when they cut the grass it kills the mouse and that's like when you it's it's the worst it's but you

0:41:39 Thomas: Man. Yep, yep. They're always bad. It's so stupid. Yeah. That's how, that's how look, I can't wait to piss everybody off right now at the same Eli, because that'll happen. And then someone will be like, oh yeah, here's what it is. And then I have to tell find a way to tell them that's actually a bad argument. You're just not good at, yeah, you're just Not good at recognizing your bias. Like people have a bias to want to eat meat and then they, the argument isn't good. So I wasn't, I had two two modes. I was, Hey, I'm eating meat and it's wrong. And now I'm no longer eating meat. You know, like I never had a time where I thought it was great. So it's a little different. You know what I mean? Like I'm right there with you where if somebody had a better argument or by the way, if they entirely fixed the food system tomorrow to where it was all cows that lived a great life and did the whatever and out on, you know, if it somehow was all that, I'd be like, all right, yeah, sure. I'll eat meat. That's fine.

0:41:59 Eli: Can't say fallacy because they yeah just tom cows who take it into their own hands hey

0:42:35 Thomas: That's it now. It's just Tom. Wow. That'S what what Tom is. Tom's like a hen in a laying that Tom's

0:42:41 Eli: He's right here on the podcast unless I know I know we joke around but he's pretty close to the edge we

0:42:44 Thomas: Like a, no, he'll agree. He'll agree Tom's like a Hen in a egg laying facility, but for productivity, he's injected full of productivity hormones. It's just like juicing every I think he agrees. He's juicing. Every little egg of productivity out of his body.

0:42:59 Tom: I squeeze it! Squeeze it!

0:43:01 Eli: We haven't put Tom in a head brace so that he can't peck himself to death but I can I picture us doing it and

0:43:10 Thomas: We did have to limit the voltage on his shock battery. That's now. That

0:43:15 Eli: It's a lot you're actually not allowed to treat most chickens the way Tom treats Tom is a reminder oh Tom just looking longingly at that mulcher they throw all the boy chicks into like oh I love to be slurry Slurry seems so nice. That slurry is, by definition, asleep.

0:43:20 Thomas: Actually might be true.

0:43:41 Eli: End up in some compound pharmacy product, though.

0:43:45 Tom: That's fine.

0:43:53 Eli: Right, gentlemen, before we go, do you know it's a felony to doesn't work? It's like they say, if you can't do the time, don't take the chime.

0:44:05 Tom: Oh, that was genuinely terrible.

0:44:06 Thomas: I thought that was going somewhere, but then that didn't make sense. Do I not get it? Don't take the check. I can't do the time.

0:44:11 Eli: If you can't do the time,

0:44:12 Tom: Don't do the crime.

0:44:13 Thomas: Do the crime. No, I get that. Yep. Yep.

0:44:13 Tom: It's a bad, bad play

0:44:15 Thomas: But you said don't take The Chime. What did you say?

0:44:15 Tom: On words. Like,

0:44:15 Eli: Then yeah. That's it. Don't. It's not here. I wasn't there.

0:44:19 Tom: Eat a chive.

0:44:20 Thomas: You lost it. Don't don't do The Chimes.

0:44:23 Eli: Got that joke from a compound pharmacy.

0:44:26 Tom: That joke is not regulated by the FDA.

0:44:27 Thomas: Shit, I'm stopping.

0:44:28 Eli: It's MVN.

0:44:28 Thomas: I'm stopping my GLP -1 right now.

0:44:32 Eli: A goof GLP-1. Oh, God.

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0:45:24 Eli: Making Mr. Curry less hungry.

0:45:26 Thomas: Sucked a dick corner, a corner where Eli sucks dicks all the time.

0:45:32 Eli: So ready to be Polly, Tom. So

0:45:34 Tom: It! Squeeze it!

0:45:36 Thomas: Get uh fucking Gandalf uh uh who's the wizard when

0:45:40 Tom: My body is just a piece of shit that's

0:45:42 Eli: You're not fat enough. And going to grow up to be a cop.

0:45:45 Thomas: Just a giant coward, but