WTW78: You'll Never Guess What Megyn Kelly Talked About At CPAC...

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0:00:41 Thomas: Hello and welcome to Where There's Woke. This is episode 78. I'm Thomas Smith. That over there is my co-host Lydia Smith. How you doing?

0:00:47 Lydia: Hello, I am doing okay, except I'm not looking forward to who we're going to have to listen to for this episode. Yeah, I've already listened to it. But I'm gonna listen to it again for all you fine folks. Yeah.

0:00:58 Thomas: Fun. Yeah, this is, uh, the, I guess like the third episode in our sort of crossover for Gavel Gavel this month. Hope you're checking out Gavel, Gavel. Super interesting. But again, these will be standalone and they are issues that are applicable to where there's woke on their own merit. So it's okay if you don't listen to Gavel gavel, don't worry about it. This will still stand totally on its own. Because there's so much crossover between the anti -woke world and what's happening here, right?

0:01:25 Lydia: Yeah yeah, absolutely. And what we're really going to be focusing on today is the right wing media that has caught on to this event, basically this online event for a lot of people and are really capitalizing on it. So So we're going to be watching a speech that Megyn Kelly gave at CPAC. Yeah, the Conservative Political Action Conference listened to a speech from Megyn Kelly about Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni. And she has some points from her perspective to make in there why it applies to conservatives. But we'll get into that after the break.

0:01:47 Thomas: I hated each one of those words more than the last.

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0:02:23 Lydia: All right. So I'm going to take you back just one week ago. CPAC was just February 21st. Well, that whole weekend. And Megyn Kelly's speech was on Friday, February 21st. She walks out and the title of her speech on the video that's uploaded is How the Left Gaslighting America Relates to Blake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni. She is very, very interested, invested in this case. She talks about it quite a lot. She's gone on Ben Shapiro's show to talk about it. She has Brian Friedman on, who is Justin Baldoni's lawyer in all the Wayfarer parties, his lawyer on. He was also her lawyer when she was let go from NBC after she kind of defended blackface. And he, you know, fought for her contract and she ended up getting to keep the sixty nine million dollar contract she originally had.

0:03:13 Thomas: Wow. Wow. So Friedman essentially earned her sixty nine million dollars less attorney's fees. You know, that doesn't mean necessarily that she wouldn't be on the side of it anyway. She probably would. But that's a little little extra connection there. Yeah.

0:03:24 Lydia: Yeah, yeah. I mean, for example, Candace Owens is very much on this side, too. And Brian Friedman is not her lawyer. So, you know, I think this is something that that the right has really clung on to. I think part of it is they like to see people in Hollywood get it handed to them. Right. I Think that is something that a lot of them despise is like this celebrity culture. And you see that from Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, Brett Cooper, like they're all about, you know, the the fall of the celebrity and they take joy in that for sure. Yeah. Yeah, unless it's Donald Trump or yeah, Mel Gibson, Morrison, Steven Seagal. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

0:03:48 Thomas: Yeah. Unless they're conservative, then it's great. They're awesome. They're the best. Well, no, unless it's like, yeah, those those. Yeah. There's a couple weird ones. All the Yellowstone cast, basically, it's like, they're great. They're great, but yeah, there is this weird, like, I mean, I get it because any celebrity, any, any actor or artist, even who's, I don't know, worth anything is not going to be a fascist. Like that's like definitionally. And I just think there's always that hatred and animosity, but also, I mean, can't deny the conservative mission of always taking down women as well. Right.

0:04:33 Thomas: So there's kind of an intersection of a couple of things here.

0:04:33 Lydia: Yeah and I think that's a great point there too because like when you're looking at Blake Lively versus Justin Baldoni, Justin Baldomi is not like this you know macho man or like kid rock. You know he doesn't present himself as like a chauvinist in any way. So they're stuck between having to be on Blake Lively's side or a male feminist side.

0:04:56 Thomas: Oh, no, they're not stuck at all. I beg to differ. This is their favorite thing. They absolutely love it. Yeah. I literally won't be able to not do that.

0:05:00 Lydia: Oh, no, I know. I know, yeah. And we'll hear from Megyn Kelly herself. So why don't we just start with the backstory that she presents to this conservative crowd. Keep an eye out for anything that seems kind of funky, especially you, because you know the ins and outs of the case and the facts. Okay. Yes. Let's do it.

0:05:24 Clip: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome...

0:05:24 Thomas: We don't want to hear a walk-up song. Oh, God.

0:05:27 Clip: So remember who you are. And who you definitely are not. But it was kind of a compliment either way. Anyway, speaking of big names, you definitely will know. Have you heard about what's happening with the Blake Lively-Justin Baldoni case? I'm just going to walk, because I actually held that. Can you hear me okay like this? Okay. Okay. Are you obsessed with this case all right there are a lot there are millions of people who are obsessed with this case I'm going to give you a little background on it and then you will be obsessed with it and I'll tell you there's a reason why conservatives in particular are following this so closely it makes sense to me all right so you know who blake lively is right most people know

0:05:36 Thomas: God, I can't stand her. Definitely heard a no in there. Me too.

0:06:10 Clip: Her yeah see the people who were booing they know then there's this guy justin baldoni who's not as well-known and yeah see they've been following the story so he opted optioned this book called it ends with us and it's about domestic violence and he managed to get blake lively to star in his movie across from him he played the abusive guy and she played the woman and this is the thrill of a lifetime for this guy you know he had done another like tv project but nobody knows who he is so he gets blake lively she's married to ryan reynolds these are hollywood a-listers he's going to put him on the map, and she agrees to be his female co-star. Great, they're off

0:06:29 Thomas: So far, so good. A little harsh but I wonder if she is maximizing blake lively's power and reach and minimizing his for any reason in this setup I I'll note just for fun I haven't seen this I'm this is the first time

0:06:53 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah I wonder. Yeah yep.

0:06:55 Clip: To the races. Well, shortly into production, Blake Lively is very dissatisfied with virtually everything around her and decides to allege that Justin Baldoni, this, I mean, forgive me, very effeminate, evolved, modern feminist, man-bun kind of guy, is like this virulent sexual harasser who can't stop harassing one of the biggest stars in Hollywood in front of everybody on the set I've got questions I don't I'm not sure why he would do that whether he'd have the guts to do that or whether the man bun is the most likely harasser in general but you never know sometimes the ones who kind of bend over backward to be as awoke as possible are the most so okay I'm open

0:07:04 Thomas: Watching it's not really at all oh okay yeah okay

0:07:39 Lydia: Yeah virulent sexual harasser. Can't stop harassing.

0:07:42 Thomas: Yep that's what the allegations were We're no mention of Jamie Heath being a fucking weirdo. Okay. I just, yeah. Describing the thought process of how, it's like their theory of mind fails so hard. Like that's why these people are so dumb. And sometimes they're just trying to be dumb. But honestly, their theoryofmind is that women are so stupid. And I think this is true. I think, I think Megyn Kelly, it, it it's that thing. It's that internalized sexism where a lot of, you know, I mean, I've seen this with my mom to some degree where it's like they have internalized the sexism of society and then they think that other women are really stupid or really like victims or whatever. The idea that what she did, well, she didn't like what was going around on set. So, so she decided, what, what the fuck are you talking about? Like that isn't even as like a jokey way to do it. There's no way anyone would do that. It's so fucking absurd. This is also the fun contradiction that I keep finding. They love to set up the power dynamic, but then they also, in order to justify this insane plot that she has, they have to forget about that for

0:07:49 Lydia: Yeah she will address that a little bit later but um but Yeah. Mm. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah, yeah. Dissatisfied with everything around her on set. So she decided.

0:08:58 Thomas: A moment. So like they set up like she's all powerful. He's a nobody. And then she was dissatisfied. So rather than just saying, hey, I'm an all powerful and you're a nobody, here's what I demand, which would have worked. Like she could have just said, I'm walking unless I'm the director. Look at me. I'm the director now. She literally could have done that. Absolutely. No, instead of doing that, she has to incorporate an idiotic and destined to fail plot to make up a bunch of very specific allegations involving other people that will, again, in her mind, if she's making this up, she's adding so many points of failure. Like she's having so many ways that she's going to be not only look embarrassed by being a liar, but probably like legally liable for smearing someone if she's just making this up she's adding all that for nothing it is not and they have no theory of mind and it's entirely stupid all right here we go it's

0:09:41 Lydia: Oh, yeah, I. Yeah yeah I mean she's pulling in like lawyers to support her throughout her claims and stuff during production and if she's lying in there like oh my god that yeah Yeah. Why in the world is that the most reasonable explanation for everything?

0:10:04 Lydia: OK, well, I'm going to keep making you go crazy because we're going to go to 421 where she's going to talk about the PR that happened leading up to it ends with us.

0:10:12 Clip: Minded about it so they go forward well we move forward in the story and she's got to go do PR for the film. And she goes out in the summer, this past summer, and she had about two minutes of bad PR. The problem for Blake Lively, in my opinion, is that she does not improve upon acquaintance. And so the more time we got to spend with Blake Litely, the less we liked her, the more her promotional efforts for a film about domestic violence felt off. She was full of giggles and laughter and oh wanted to promote her liquor brand like nothing says domestic violence like a bottle of tequila what so it felt weird and she started to get hit by some of the media for being insensitive then this one reporter re-upped a video in which she interviewed a

0:10:52 Thomas: The opposite is okay your joke was the opposite of what it was supposed to be sorry just I I know just pedantry she meant to say nothing says being against domestic abuse like a tequila thing it's like she's actually saying the thing she's threatened never mind okay we'll move on

0:11:13 Clip: Then pregnant blake a then eight-month pregnant blke and kicked off the interview as you would do as a journalist if there's something obviously different about somebody physically by saying oh you have such a cute baby bump and blake was taken aback be different about

0:11:16 Thomas: Oh here we go of course yeah sorry that is the stupidest fuck of that I think that was her just like honestly I think it was her vamping like I don't I don'T think she scripted that but like well as naturally what you would do is you'd pick the first thing that's physically different about someone and start your interview you're black like what oh

0:11:43 Lydia: Yeah. I will say, so Blake Lively did do an interview with Martha Stewart, like the same pregnancy. And Martha Stewart did kick off the interview by commenting on Blake's pregnancy, but she did it in a way where she was like, you look different from the last time I saw you. You know, I have any news you want to share? Like it was one

0:11:53 Thomas: So they discussed it beforehand yeah well it's a different interview too it's different kind of interview like this This is a four minute slot. And all this frustrates me to no end because all of even what we're talking about here is on the premise that Blake Lively did something bad. She literally just said, congrats on your little bump, which is like an off the cuff, kind of weird. Like I'll admit, like kind of strange. But like, yeah, she's like sort of expressing like, Yeah, OK. And like, honestly, if you watch it, I don't even know how much she was like upset. Like she actually seems like she just doesn't know what to say really. And like, I think maybe in that moment, she probably had a lot of thoughts of like her body and her body, you know, like all those things you're talking about that you've kind of outlined. And it's more like she Just doesn't really know how to respond that there, all of this stuff keeps getting premised on the, like, look, okay. We're trying to excuse the fact that Blake Lively did decapitate her live on air. You know, she had good reason. No, it's, she said one nothing thing. It's nothing.

0:12:01 Lydia: That was like more playful and it wasn't like, congrats on your baby bump. It was like congratulations on getting to have another other kid I'm sure you're very excited it was just framed so differently and people like to put that up yeah yeah yes that's true yeah well it's like you comment on my body I'll comment on your body like yeah yeah yeah what'd you think about that two minutes of bad

0:13:15 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I actually thought that was more to our side because it's like, yeah, this wasn't based on anything. It was like two minutes of nothing. And then that caused this massive outrage. Maybe I misunderstood. Are you saying the whole thing? Oh, that's what she was saying. OK, yeah. I'll trust your interpretation in that since it's your second time.

0:13:28 Lydia: Pr no no I think she's saying two minutes a bad pr and that made blake like lose her mind like like something must be behind this. That's her angle. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

0:13:41 Clip: Somebody physically saying oh you had such a cut baby bump and blick was taken back even though it was obvious and said oh so do you

0:13:44 Thomas: Not what she said.

0:13:51 Lydia: She's like getting all of it wrong.

0:13:51 Clip: The reporter was not pregnant it was a nasty jibe at her for no reason so normal people at home who

0:13:53 Thomas: The whole crowd just like off with her head.

0:13:58 Clip: Don't care about this woman at all are looking at her like I don't like her she seems like a bully she seems somebody who punches down to somebody who's only trying to do something nice for her

0:13:59 Thomas: What? What? No.

0:14:05 Lydia: Can you believe that? Coming from a conservative.

0:14:08 Clip: So negative press swirled around her during this later she would describe this as though it was

0:14:09 Thomas: Try to do something nice for her. It's so stupid. I really wish we could run the experiment of showing that video with no description just to a bunch of people and be like, I already don't know if that would work because there's so much sexism and

0:14:12 Lydia: Yeah trying to do something nice for her. Exactly. What are you talking about? Yeah.

0:14:30 Thomas: The sampling problem of like you're showing it for a reason. But like, I don't even know, like on a scale of one to 10 of how awkward that was. Like, I think people would say it's like, I mean, it's Like a three. I mean it's, like, oh, prime. Yeah, here, I'll give them a number of celebrity interactions and see, yeah. Oh, good for you. How do I not just quote Christian Bale for the rest of life? I can't believe I hadn't really, I hadn' really seen that, that much. By the way, I told Lydia we were done professionally. That's so good. You didn't make that. You thought I was just being insane to you? No, I thought that was funny. That was, I literally laughed. Oh, I was mad. But then I laughed and was like, that is the funniest thing. Oh, I mean, it's not like the worst thing to think, but we did literally just watch that like mere hours before that. Okay. It's fine.

0:14:40 Lydia: Oh no what you could do though is kind of what we did with our side by side in the last episode where you prime them. You prime them with a male version yeah yeah exactly and then see you know where it's rated there oh my gosh calling Dr. Jenessa Seymour how can we do this yeah I know yeah not not in full that's for sure oh I didn't even make that connection oh my god I thought you were really mad Okay. Okay. Yeah. No, I know. I know I thought it was because you were like, well, I can't say I'm divorcing you over this. So you're like, that was the next thing. Yeah, yeah, I know. Sorry. Okay, yeah. Continue.

0:15:38 Clip: The pile on against trump honestly it's like most of us especially in republican politics or the

0:15:40 Thomas: What?

0:15:41 Lydia: I don't think she ever calls it that.

0:15:44 Clip: News this is called tuesday for us it's grow up you're in the public eye you've got probably hundreds of millions thanks to your husband. Just shut up, no one cares that you got a couple of bad articles about you in the Daily Mail. She winds up suing Justin Baldoni. She files a complaint with the Human Rights Commission out in California saying he sexually harassed me and then he retaliated me by pushing He was behind it because I found his agent, his PR agent's nasty text saying we can ruin her. If we have to ruin her, we will. And those texts do exist.

0:15:52 Thomas: Thanks to your husband. Wow. Wow.

0:15:53 Lydia: Yeah? Couple of bad articles about you in the Daily Mail. No. That's not what it's called.

0:16:17 Thomas: Well, yeah. And she's entirely right for what she did, but that's not the point.

0:16:20 Clip: And Blake Lively went to the New York Times and the New Oh, we were all wrong about her and her weird PR. She's actually a good person and a Me Too victim.

0:16:35 Thomas: You're crazy.

0:16:35 Clip: And then Justin Baldoni did something very smart. He hired the lawyer who represented me in my fight with NBC News, which ended well.

0:16:40 Thomas: A rapist lawyer.

0:16:47 Clip: His name is Brian Friedman and he's a legal genius highly recommend if you ever God forbid

0:16:47 Thomas: I'm not mad. Tell the papers I'm not mad at you. Oh, my fucking God.

0:16:50 Lydia: He's a legal genius yeah yeah so human rights commission that's not what it's called civil rights department I mean minor point yeah she says the human rights commission yeah

0:16:57 Thomas: All right. Yeah. Oh. She says human rights. Yeah, that's pretty off, but that's.

0:17:04 Lydia: It's not the first time she says it in this by the

0:17:06 Thomas: Look, this is a lot for me to take in at once. Sorry, I'm not catching every intricacy. I mean, her face is a lot. I can't I get a little distracted yeah so yeah

0:17:08 Lydia: Way yeah I I know I know and then the condescension when she's describing when the New York Times put out their article like oh poor Blake Lively like that whole voice that she did there is so gross and that the New York Times is like celebrating like that you know not only were we wrong about Blake Litely but she's also a Me Too victim like that's something that they are trying to capitalize on like go ahead and like search for more victims so they can write more pieces is like it's just so weird yeah mm -hmm yeah yeah and I mean we're seeing it here already we'll continue to see it in some of the other clips that I have as we continue through this but what I'm seeing already is like a ton of people in that audience don't know about this and so the information that they're getting about this is solely coming from this speech from Megyn Kelly where she's getting things just blatantly wrong where it's her specific spin on it her specific rhetoric on it. And like now these are people who are going to go out into the world. If they overhear someone talking about this case, they're going to start chiming in with that misinformation. And it's like it's the beginning of that spread. Right. Like it's it's here.

0:17:35 Thomas: I don't know if they did a scene like this in handmaid's tale but they should have I didn't finish it but there should be a scene where they have like a handmaid comedian who's like doing all these jokes for all only men in the audience and she's like making fun of how dumb the other handmaids are like it's all it is inevitably they will come for you megan kelly already have by the way and she just doesn't care because it's her audience still I'm so sorry to do this but we're at cpac that nobody here was under any risk of getting real information from anyone yeah

0:18:41 Lydia: No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying like it'S representative of how this works. It's just a concentrated group of people and they're hearing something. Yeah.

0:18:47 Thomas: She's exactly doing the anti -woke bullshit we debunk on here she's doing it in real time well she might as well be like oh this professor just tried to you know do a question about racism and he it's the same thing it's all one thing

0:19:03 Lydia: And if you want to keep going, she's going to talk a little bit about Brian Friedman, how he's been speaking about the case and what Justin Baldoni's position is.

0:19:11 Clip: And Brian Friedmann knows how to fight back against a bully trust me and he started telling everybody Justin Baldoni side he told us that Justin Baldani denied those claims of sexual harassment and only tried to appease Blake Lively because she was such a high-maintenance diva bully bully brat. He had to bend over backwards just to get her to shut up and complete the film. He told us that Justin Baldoni claims she tried to take over his movie because she has a history of saying, okay, I'll be the star, but what I secretly want to do is direct it and edit it and produce it. I want all the roles for me and only me. I'm not only me, I want full control because

0:19:44 Lydia: OK, pause. So that is in reference to this interview she did with Forbes that has made the rounds where it's and Kirstie Flaa presents this video as well on her channel and reorders the clips from it. When you look at the full interview in context, essentially like what people are clinging on to is that Blake Lively says, you know, when she does a project, She does want to be involved in these other aspects. And the way that she used to approach that was she wouldn't be honest from the beginning about wanting to creatively contribute. She would audition because she just wanted to get cast. And then she would try and find ways to still creatively contribute and get involved in that direction without being honest and clear from the beginning that that's what is motivating her to participate. Yeah.

0:20:30 Thomas: If we were in any other context the conservatives would be like wow real gumption trying to donate free labor in in addition to the thing you're doing because bosses are the best and you're helping the bosses bottom line

0:20:41 Lydia: And she says that's how she used to approach things. But over the last several years, the way she's been approaching things is it is important to her. It is valuable to her, it is part of who she is to creatively be involved in the project she's doing. And so she's honest about that upfront when she's going into audition. And you can tell that if you're looking through the text messages that even come from Baldoni's side. They are creatively, you know, brainstorming things. They're texting back and forth about kind of their ideas for these things. Every step of the way, he's giving her, you Know, appreciation for expressing her views and her opinions for creating this piece of art together. Yeah. And explicitly stated in an interview that he was not going to direct it because he thought that it'd be more important for a woman to direct It. Yep. Yeah yeah

0:21:19 Thomas: Hey not for nothing if you are a woman doing a film that is directed by a man and he's put his name is all over it and he branded himself as a feminist and that man well sure but if that man then sexually harasses you and is a piece of shit and you document it And that all happens within like a week of doing the movie before any of this would have even made sense. Then I'm going to go ahead and say, like, you're right if you want to take over the movie from a sex creep who's going to get credit for doing like a feminist movie. Like you're actually. Yes, you would do that. You'd be like, well, I don't want his pause on this thing like he doesn't deserve that. He doesn't deserve to like get to sanitize his image or like to bolster his image as like a feminist hero by being this massive part of this movie. And furthermore, if he is a piece of shit in the way that Blake Lively alleges and has documented evidence of, then like maybe his ideas sucked. Maybe his ideas for how the movie was to be directed and edited were kind of reflective of his blind spots. I don't know. Like there's a million reasons why you might want to do this. But not to get into the legal component of it, but the biggest thing here that is so obviously a bad faith argument is the movie did great. It did absolutely great. There's no cause for complaint here. You can't be like, well, she stole it and it did really well. But I wanted to maybe like have my name on it. That's nothing like court. Like we know, like courts only care about the bottom line about stuff. Like, did they financially damage you? You know, it's almost always that. Now, not to get into legal analysis, but like that's going to be I guarantee that's going to Be a part of this. Like, what is even your damages, dude? Like, What are you even saying happened?

0:21:57 Lydia: That's the right choice yeah yeah yeah my name on it more than twice yeah yeah all

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0:23:17 Lydia: Right you want to keep continuing with this particular

0:23:23 Clip: I am a controlling bully. That Justin Baldomi ultimately, by the time they got to the premiere, was mandated by Blake Lively to spend the night in the basement away from his co-stars and didn't even get to see the final cut of his own movie because Blake Lively insisted that she be the one to approve it until he watched it on the screen with his editors who also hadn't seen it because her editors finished it up. That's the situation he said. Now we get into litigation. She files

0:23:34 Thomas: What?

0:23:46 Lydia: Clip okay also stop there too because okay we know that yes he did spend the premiere separate from Not by himself. He had all of his friends and family and stuff. But there was something that happened with regard to the situation that led to expectations from the cast for the premiere. I don't know the details. It's presented very vaguely in some text messages that we've seen in the complaints, but no, like, details. Yeah.

0:23:50 Thomas: You can't talk about it or something? Oh, OK. It's like, oh, oh. You're saying we don't know that that's already just the whole situation that caused that there's something more specific that we don' know?

0:24:21 Lydia: Well, I think we know that it's tied to the situation. But I saw like a text alleging that it was like Blake demanded. It's colored by who's sending it right where like Blake commanded that they not be together for the premiere. And I think it's I want to say it's one of the publicists. I don't recall it off the top of my head. I'll have it handy. But I think there's still some stuff to figure out about that. You know, he walked the red carpet. No one took pictures with him, including his co -host from Man Enough, female co -ost.

0:24:50 Thomas: Yeah. Here's the thing. This isn't something that would happen unless he sucked like it just isn't like you can I I will grant you like I'll go over to their side of the argument a little bit in this in terms of like I'll grant some ground like I absolutely imagine that there could be a pressure of let's say you're a bystander who doesn't really know the details and blake lively says that this guy was sexually harassing I can absolutely see there's going to be a component of it where people are like well oh, look, I don't want to be tied to this guy. Like, ooh, if there's any chance, you know. But there's no fucking way that based on utterly false, completely fabricated allegations, that you could get an entire cast to not even take pictures with the guy after being, like, we have to see, again, under the theory that she made it all up, then that cast all has a positive, different experience with him. And they all are like, and probably they're seeing her being a piece of shit and making stuff up. And you're telling me they're all just gonna toe the line with that they're all just going to do whatever she says like it doesn't make any sense humans don't work like that but is that right he didn't get to see the final cut until the premiere up to the premiere that can't be right

0:24:56 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah. Mm -hmm. Yeah. Also, you know, it says that he wasn't even able to watch the cut of his own movie.

0:26:02 Lydia: I think so, because they weren't really sure what it was going to look like. The editors hadn't seen it either because it was being finished by the other editor that came in. That's my understanding. And we might get facts that show otherwise.

0:26:12 Thomas: Yeah I just there's a lot of things that have to happen in between a final cut and when it's ready to be like premiering I feel like there's like a lot to be done of phases after you can't be like oh I'm finishing it up and final cut pro like up to you know like there is a lot lot of stuff that happens so we'll see whatever pin in that

0:26:27 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure because we only have Justin's side of this. But he did specifically say to the editors, you know, it's like I think he said, like, 95 or 97 percent are original cut. Like, she ended up changing things back because they were like, how'd the movie turn out that we didn't get to put together that has our names on it? Well, yeah, they got credit. And he specifically said in the text that it's like 95 or 97 percent of their original cut. Yeah.

0:26:38 Thomas: No okay well there you go I only got to do 97 of them okay so someone else got to have input sounds like but like how weird is it that we're here watching a c -pac speech entirely about this shit like this entire thing I will tell you I guarantee you this is the least bad c -pak speech to watch like it's actually no it's entertaining it's like about something that I care about instead of some insane conspiracy

0:26:56 Lydia: All right. Let's go to 938 where she's going to jump back into talking more about the litigation piece of this. I know it's so unserious like like this is a political party. Yeah and she has good delivery. I mean like like she I think is an engaging speaker. I don't agree with anything she says ever. And some of it's like really obnoxious and annoying. But for that crowd, like she's very engaging for them. It's very clear that's what's happening.

0:27:22 Thomas: Either yeah

0:27:34 Clip: Her human rights campaign. The movie comes out. It does all right. He's in the Basement for the the premiere. And he hires Brian Friedman and countersues her and the New York Times for $400 million, claiming this is a massive defamation. Okay? Drags Ryan Reynolds into it as well. And

0:27:37 Thomas: She files her human rights campaign and it's stupid

0:27:47 Lydia: Those are also separate claims.

0:27:50 Thomas: Not anymore but

0:27:50 Clip: Now we're off to the races. And where do things stand now as a result of all this?

0:27:51 Lydia: Well, but hers is for sorry.

0:27:54 Thomas: Yeah okay I don't know but it's it's all consolidated now but yeah I understood other

0:27:54 Lydia: Minor point. But the counterclaim against Blake Lively is 400 million and the claim against The New York Times is 250 million. Right. Yeah, right. I believe that's correct. Yeah yeah.

0:28:06 Clip: Glively apparently wanting control of a movie she did not control, wanting to get the camel's nose under the tent as an actress and then take over the entire production mission creep on steroids and was shocked shocked when Justin Baldoni did not want her to do those extra things and then when it all blows up lawsuits and cross lawsuits and Blake Lively who I believe thought she would be received or perceived as an Alyssa Milano or Ashley Judd me too victim is instead looking a lot more like Amber Heard

0:28:35 Thomas: People that we hate sorry are you cool with those folks are those the people those are the good examples for you are the conservatives like super in love with those victims I'm just curious unlike the victims that that we also bash and don't believe she's more like this victim. We bash and Don't Believe.

0:28:48 Lydia: The answer is no. Yeah.

0:28:56 Thomas: Yeah. Like Amber Heard is a punchline. Yeah.

0:28:56 Lydia: And then everybody starts laughing when Amber Heard's name brought up. Yeah. Horrible.

0:29:01 Clip: Alyssa Milano or Ashley Judd, Me Too victim, is instead looking a lot more like Amber Heard.

0:29:11 Clip: And honestly, to me, the lesson is A, be a good person, but B, if you're a Hollywood star or any sort of a public figure, would you just please take your licks in the press problems. They don't give two craps that you had a couple of negative articles written about you in the Daily Mail. And in her complaint, the thing she's bitching about is that this terrible PR campaign that was opened up against her hurt sales of her liquor brand and her hair care products. Oh, my God. Like, while this is going on, inflation's like it.

0:29:43 Thomas: Sorry. What, what did Baldoni's complaint say? Did he say, Oh, no one cares about this because inflation, but I'm suing. Or did he say I want $400 million and $250 million, you know?

0:29:54 Lydia: Yeah. Also, that's part of what Blake Lively has to show. Like, Megyn Kelly's just being purposefully obtuse.

0:29:59 Thomas: Yeah. It's just part of the legal process. It's obvious. And she's acting like what happened was we all got a copy of the complaint in the article in our phones like that u2 album that you couldn't get rid of back in whatever year that this reference I don't know if you remember but oh man it was like what 2009 or 10 or something where like the new iphone came with the u2 algorithm like on it and everyone hated it it was so funny me. Yeah. She's acting like we all were made to watch with our eyes pried open her stuff. It's a New York times article and a legal complaint. That's what she did. Okay. She could have just done a legal complaint, but like it's newsworthy. So it's going to get coverage. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I love how she has to lie it over the part where, and she finds this publicist texts or whatever. It'S like, no, someone came to her saying, Hey, look at this shit, there's a plot against you to defame you. And I guarantee you, Megyn Kelly would do the exact

0:30:23 Lydia: Oh, geez. Oh, my God. Yeah. Also, yeah, yeah. The legal complaint's going to be public and someone's going to find it and someone is going to report on it. Like, that is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She'd be calling Brian Friedman.

0:31:05 Thomas: Same thing. Obviously. It's all just the most arguments of convenience that are such utter bullshit.

0:31:12 Lydia: Yeah. And now she pivots the talk to why conservatives are so interested in this. So.

0:31:17 Thomas: Might as well be like, and then she was breathing and she ate lunch. She just put food in her mouth. And can you believe that? There's inflation. Can you believe that she then she drove a car like can you believe they just it's every they just pick every single thing and then take a stance that it's this negative thing it's so stupid it's the cruelest idiotic thing to do you know that if anyone did it to you it would be just as effective that's a good sign that you're not on the side of right this isn't some like justified takedown this is all based on the goal of taking someone down and then finding the facts later like just fitting in whatever you think you can oh and then she's saying they they cost her hair care yeah that's what you would have to say in a fucking complaint moron what did you say about your complaint oh they they deprived me of my 69 million dollars like there's inflation we're like we should care about your 69 million dollars was there no coverage of that Was there any news coverage of that, Megyn Kelly? Did you do any interviews about that? I don't know.

0:32:25 Clip: But I think the reason that conservatives are so interested in this is a couple-of-fold. Number one, you seem to be watching the unwrapping of a public figure, like the unspooling.

0:32:30 Thomas: We're astroturfing it. Unraveling, yeah.

0:32:38 Clip: You know you've caught someone in what you believe is a lie.

0:32:42 Thomas: And that's something that conservatives just like?

0:32:43 Clip: And it's amazing to see it told and to kind of have gone down the lane like, okay, maybe here we go. Because Baldoni's released these text messages. She says, he inappropriately smelled my neck when we were doing a scene. They're dancing they're caressing they're making out there it's like but the neck thing was too much when he smelled it I got all right they went into my trailer when I was breastfeeding my baby you're like that's disgusting what's wrong with these people and you see his text message where she says come on over to my trailer I'm breastfeeding my baby but it's fine yeah

0:33:00 Lydia: No. No. Just like horribly misinformed. That's also inaccurate.

0:33:14 Thomas: That's not what she said.

0:33:15 Clip: She says his weird producing partner showed me porn I'm like these people are freaks then you see what he actually says he showed her the producing partner which was she was filming a birth scene in the movie and it was a Still shot of a water birth. His wife had at home. You can't see anything x-rated. It's it's a PG photo

0:33:28 Thomas: So dumb. I can't wait to do that on Gigi.

0:33:32 Clip: You can see anything at all. It's like artistic. It made me wish I had a water birth. She's become like an avatar

0:33:36 Lydia: Yeah, so, yeah,

0:33:37 Thomas: That's a still shot. Even in your own thing. Yeah. Yeah, I can't wait to do this on Gigi. I've been waiting for this one because it's the stupidest fucking argument. She claims that she was shown a video by him that was like a full on naked mother birthing a baby because it was because, again, the point of what he was trying to show is we're doing this birthing scene. And then he says, no, here's my proof. And it's a screenshot from when the baby was born after the baby is born. Like, we know that's not what you showed because that's Not even what you said you were trying to share. Her. That doesn't make any sense. The scene was about labor and delivering a baby. So you wouldn't show just a picture of them sitting with the baby. That's already after that. So naturally, what obviously happened is they went to a part that was the least offensive in

0:33:40 Lydia: The still shot is not what Blake Lively was shown. That's, yeah. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yep yep yeah

0:34:26 Thomas: The film, in the video, and took a freeze frame. You can even tell in the freeze frame, she's not wearing anything. She's just being covered by the baby and the guy.

0:34:34 Lydia: Yeah and that's not even to get into the fact that this was after they had already filmed the birth scene that he presented her with this. Yeah um yeah it was like the it was, like, the next day or something. I'm pretty positive that they had already filmed it and And then they were like, this is what we were thinking about, you know, blah, blah. And also the birth scene for that movie is in a hospital, not a water birth. They're very different. So how is that helpful for figuring out how you're going to approach a hospital scene where you're in a bed and not a pool of water? Like, they're so different. They are so different。 So, yeah, it's just silly. Yeah, the smelling her neck, even though they're like, you see the video and they're caressing, they'RE making out. No, they aren't. That's explicitly not what's happening there yeah every

0:34:42 Thomas: Oh, it was? Wait, what? Are you sure? Oh, oh I don't know about that yeah yeah there's a lot of stuff you can get over on gg these debunks but yeah she's just misrepresenting it all the part that's over here is why conservatives should care but she's just described like well there's

0:35:25 Lydia: Single claim is

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0:35:37 Lydia: Misrepresented

0:35:37 Thomas: Because there's someone who lied it's like well everyone cares about that I don't know what this is about other than it's that you get to go after a woman and take her down relentlessly

0:35:50 Clip: For leftist overreach in a different special way I really believe this is why so many people on the right are kind of into this story Just kind of want to see how it ends Will it end as it ended for us on November 5th because we were pretty happy with how that went right or is it going to be something else women only time will tell but it's

0:36:06 Thomas: Can't even get an applause out of that

0:36:09 Clip: It's bringing up like room to explore the past 10 years that we've all been

0:36:15 Thomas: I think the audience is like, this woman's been talking for a long time.

0:36:15 Clip: Through and how you know Trump put a period at the end of it we hope or at least the beginnings of the end by winning so the bully thing what was one of the biggest stories this past year Daniel penny right you guys know who who that is. Daniel Penny stood up for others on the New York City subway when there was a crazed man who was out of his mind on drugs, threatening to kill people, and got him in a chokehold. And the man ultimately later passed. And he got charged by that insane crank, passed, and he got

0:36:28 Thomas: I don't, I don't.

0:36:29 Lydia: Yeah you do the subway yeah mm -hmm

0:36:35 Thomas: Oh, the murder. Oh God. Oh, that's horrible. Boy, that's a very euphemistic way of saying, and this guy got him in his sights with his guns. And anyway, then later the guy passed from, um, uh, bullet wounds, but, uh - but it wasn't him. Got him in a chokehold and then later he passed. No, he choked the guy to death for an excessively long time like a disturbing he murdered a guy with his bare hands for no reason that one is sickening like it's just absolutely sickenING I thought she's saying that was this year that was a while ago

0:36:49 Lydia: Yeah yeah right mm -hm yeah 2024 was the trial yeah so So. Oh, no, I think it was 2023. I think was pretty quick.

0:37:16 Thomas: Yeah yeah I was gonna say that was that was at least a few years ago I

0:37:23 Clip: Charged by the insane crank Alvin Bragg, and had to defend himself against criminal charges. Yes,

0:37:26 Thomas: Think yeah you'd have to be insane to charge a guy for murder for

0:37:33 Clip: So Daniel Penney got bullied by Alvin Bragg and the media, which did not stand up for

0:37:36 Thomas: Murdering yeah

0:37:36 Lydia: Oh my God. Okay, wait, I want to pause before we get into Nick Sandman. So what actually happened with Daniel Penny, like she's saying, you know, like wrongfully attacked, maligned by Alvin Bragg and the media and stuff for this thing that he did. Actually, what happened, it's not like he was just let go like, oh, we're so sorry, we got it completely wrong, etc, etc. Like he went to trial, he was in front And the jury deliberated for four days on the manslaughter charge. They ended up not being able to figure out like like come to an agreement there. So the judge allowed them to then deliberate on the lesser charge, which is criminally negligent homicide. And they spent just an hour on that. And I'm not totally sure how they landed on that verdict. I don't know if you guys covered this, but they yeah, they were deadlocked on manslaughter, which was the higher charge. But then they were able to return a verdict on negligent suicide and found him not guilty of that. I don't know.

0:38:05 Thomas: No yeah Yeah. What? That doesn't make any sense.

0:38:33 Lydia: Yeah, it is a little confusing and it probably has to do with like the jury instructions and the specific elements of those charges. Yeah. Just wasn't making sense. Yeah. But, you know, Daniel Penny, what's he up to now? He got hired by Andreessen Horowitz. So, yeah,

0:38:40 Thomas: Yeah. Well, topic for another time, yeah. Do some murdering today. Okay, we need some murderin' around here. Oh, you're qualified. God, I hope that works. Sandman.

0:38:51 Lydia: Jordan Neely's dad, Jordan Ely, is the man that Daniel Penny murdered. He has filed a civil suit. So we'll see kind of what happens there. But yeah. Yeah." All right. We can continue and talk about Nick Sandman now. Yeah. You'll remember this.

0:39:12 Clip: Nick Sandmann goes out there in front of the Supreme Court to stand up for life, and CNN portrays him as this villain, as this smirking, crappy, arrogant villain.

0:39:12 Thomas: Yeah, all three people. Oh, God. This from 50 years ago? 2019.

0:39:24 Clip: And he's sneering at a Native American who's just there minding his own business.

0:39:30 Thomas: You're going through a list of grievances from, like, the past five years that have nothing to do with anything? Thing. Oh my God. What did I do to you?

0:39:33 Lydia: Yes. Yes. And we're going to listen to them. No.

0:39:39 Clip: Nick Sandman was standing there respectfully while he was being antagonized by the Native American who was dancing aggressively in his face and getting up on him and mocking him.

0:39:45 Thomas: No, no, no. That's not, hold on. Even by like his story, that's not what happened. What are you talking about? Like, yeah, but it's also unnecessary. Like the whole, okay. I'm going from memory. You tell me if I'm wrong. He, because he looks like a smirky little shit and he was being there, being a smirky little shit with a Trump hat, that people assumed he was like harassing the Native American man the Native American man was like oh I was just trying to kind of calm everyone down and so I was doing this stuff nowhere in that was like actually the Native American man Was harassing him that was never part of it it was is he being a piece of shit or not it had nothing to do there was never any part of it that was like the Native American man was actually the

0:39:53 Lydia: Yeah yeah. Rewriting history right now. Yeah. Yeah. Was the aggressor. Yeah, yeah. Well,

0:40:31 Thomas: Harasser just another way to flip the narrative like the the press got it exactly backwards kind of thing. Oh yeah, sure.

0:40:33 Lydia: I think Megyn Kelly is characterizing it in that way because it's and also I think it's her being culturally insensitive. Like I think like, you know, he's he's singing a song that she doesn't know in a language she doesn't know and dancing in a way that she DOESN'T understand. And that must mean scary. Right. Like, I THINK that is probably what she saw when that happened.

0:40:57 Clip: That's why he's dancing aggressively on his face, getting up and mocking it. That's what CNN had to pay him in a defamation case.

0:41:02 Thomas: Mocking him. It's actually not, but yeah.

0:41:06 Lydia: So I want to pause there. I'm going to do some quick fact checking here. So she's like very excited that, you know, CNN paid him in a defamation case. There was actually a total of $1.25 billion in lawsuits that Nick Saman was pursuing against various media entities. They were defamation lawsuits. A number of them were were dismissed in July 2022, the ones against Gannett, The New York Times, Rolling Stone, ABC and CBS. And in those orders, when they dismissed those defamation lawsuits, they said that reported statements were, quote, objectively unverifiable and thus constitutionally protected opinions. Now, Sandman's attorney has said that they want to appeal that. That seems ridiculous to me. He did not go to trial and was awarded damages from defamation against CNN. No, but she or whatever it was a settlement right

0:41:54 Thomas: Is that what she said? Oh yeah. To be fair, that is a big victory for him because anything like this, I think there was some mistakes in reporting here or something and like whatever. I don't remember, but if there weren't, it's highly unlikely they would have paid anybody because journalists, you know, journalistic outlets until this very year with Trump and them cowering and just paying them off, they used to vigorously protect this because it's one of those like you can't negotiate with terrorists because once once one gets a settlement, they're all going to get sued, you Know, under that same kind of theory. And so they usually fight these tooth and nail and they don't often settle other legal feuds. You might settle just because it'S like, all right, get get rid of this. But like this would just invite much more. So there must have been something they did wrong.

0:42:00 Lydia: Yeah yeah yeah something they got wrong yeah so it was cnn and washington post that settled in 2020 and then nbc also settled their suit in 2021 but the vast majority of the defamation lawsuits were dismissed in july 2022 okay can keep playing

0:42:56 Thomas: How can I? Joy.

0:43:00 Clip: House. Kyle Rittenhouse tried to do what the Biden administration would not and go to Wisconsin and

0:43:01 Thomas: Fuckin' A. Another murder. Murder black people?

0:43:07 Lydia: Yes yeah

0:43:09 Clip: Actually protect the neighboring town. It did not go well. He wound up shooting three guys. He was

0:43:11 Thomas: Why would they do that? I remember Biden being like, God, I tried to go to Wisconsin and protect a neighboring town. Yeah, I couldn't do it. He like had all his like fatigues on. Like I was ready to go.

0:43:17 Lydia: What couldn't get a flight

0:43:27 Clip: Acquitted on all charges ultimately. But before we knew much at all about that case, Joe Biden got out there as he was running for president. This happened prior to Biden taking over. As he was running for president and called Kyle Rittenhouse a white supremacist. There was zero evidence of

0:43:27 Thomas: Wound up. Yeah.

0:43:27 Lydia: Yeah wound up

0:43:34 Thomas: And say, hey, maybe don't shoot protesters.

0:43:38 Lydia: Shooting I don't know if he

0:43:41 Thomas: He did

0:43:42 Clip: This. The kid was 18 years old. He's got the possible next, at that point possible, ultimately yes, president of the United States telling everyone he's a white supremacist, something for which he never apologized, Joe Biden. There is no evidence of that, none. He likes to bully people

0:43:42 Thomas: I don't remember that did

0:43:57 Lydia: Did september 2020 biden tweeted a video that included rittenhouse carrying a rifle with the caption there's no other way to put it the president of the united states refused to disavow white supremacists on the debate stage last night the video was meant to criticize then President Donald Trump.

0:43:57 Thomas: He was there like other people in the video or was it literally just him oh here I'll snopes it here it says mostly true strongly suggested he was a white supremacist or at least closely associated with white supremacists and or militia groups he did not explicitly describe riddenhouse as a white supremacist okay but he suggested it or something. Okay. Yeah. All right. Wait, can we look up, is he a white supremacist though? Is that what?

0:44:15 Lydia: Oh, no, it shows Charlottesville. It shows a picture of Kyle Rittenhouse.

0:44:33 Lydia: Yeah. By retweeting a video, which, you know, is Trump ever held to that standard? No. So, yeah, let me type it. Okay.

0:44:51 Clip: Who are weak. He is a kid. Now he is on trial for triple homicide in one case and you think it's a a great time to pile on him publicly as the possible next president. There's something wrong with that. Something's off about a guy in a party that does it and supports it. And so the bully nature of the left has been on full display, as has its control. It's too

0:45:12 Lydia: I just want to add in some context with the Kyle Rittenhouse piece. So he was found not guilty. And from my understanding, the key was there are a couple of things, his testimony and that humanized him for the jury. This is like legal analysts reporting on this. And it let him explain his use of force and why he decided to do his use a force. Right. So the jury ultimately felt at the end of the day that the self -defense claim was stronger than the provocation claim. Some state witnesses also helped this claim like Like they weren't super strong.

0:45:14 Thomas: So weak. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah but this has nothing to do with white supremacy.

0:45:44 Lydia: Yeah, I'm just saying like it's not that like the media got it wrong or that the left is being unreasonable here. Like there are other explanations for how this stuff shakes out the way it shakes out. You know, like prosecutors took missteps. Jury instructions really focused on the term reasonable.

0:46:00 Thomas: Well yeah. And also juries are racist sometimes. So like if I think one of the victims was black right I can't remember but anyway they're going to prioritize white kid saying he's so sorry and he didn't mean to do any of that and yeah that too like oj simpson was acquitted you know like if any reporter was like well I mean I think he did it it's not like you are committing slander it's like we all know he did he was acquitted that doesn't mean he he didn't do it.

0:46:13 Lydia: Also gun rights in that area, too. Like that's really important to like a lot of folks who live in specific areas of the United States. And they're going to be, you know, keeping that in mind. Yeah.

0:46:38 Lydia: Also, I think what is demonstrative here is that all of these people got to have their due process and or I guess not in Nick Sandman's case, like he pursued defamation, separate thing, but they were afforded the right in the justice system, which, you know, is a topic for another day and debate for another other day but they participated in the system that conservatives say works and from their perspective it worked here for the people that they wanted to get

0:47:09 Thomas: Yeah. They're talking about a bunch of people who want Sandman's probably set for life. You know, like it's a bunch people who are fine and one, but had things said about them. I think Sandman is the most sympathetic case because I do think mostly we just looked at his stupid face and we're like, this guy sucks because he's wearing a Trump hat. And he actually wasn't. I mean, he was a kid. Yeah, it's like standard punchable high school kid, you know, not any more More or less punishable than most white conservative high school kids. But all the other ones are all murders, right? I mean, we're all talking about literally killers. And I am disgusted by the killers now being celebrated by the right. It's one thing if you want to say, well, I think letter of the law. OK, maybe this guy should have gotten off on this like defense. You know, it's one think if you wanted to be like that, it doesn't mean you then have to worship them. You'd be like, well you got lucky, but you're kind of a murderer. So no that's

0:47:26 Lydia: Off it's a punchable high school kid yeah yeah exactly yeah yeah they all yeah people died because of them yeah it's like I'm not surprised that that worked yeah yeah yeah I know yeah daniel penny specifically is revered he is revered yeah to close this out I just want to go to 1811 we're gonna talk a little bit more about that media so

0:48:06 Thomas: The that's so bad it's so disgusting it's yeah so does the republican party but um oh yeah

0:48:20 Clip: Much, it's overreach. And then, inevitably, when you call them out on the nonsense, right, when you send Elon in there with Doge and the Doge tech guys and they start kicking the tires they play the victim just like blake lively how dare you what I'm subjected to all these stories right you're subjected to stories because you did something wrong and that's the way the media and the world works and because you deserve it so we're tired of their games it's out the games are outdated the tactics are outdated they're old and they're tired

0:48:51 Thomas: That's your thesis statement it's like she had to find a way to justify telling this whole story and she's like ah so loosely speaking I the media sucks or

0:48:59 Lydia: That's the thing it's like this has really taken over her brain like it's taken over ours right like we're on the same page there anyway so I I think like when she was preparing for cpac she was probably like well I can talk about this so okay I gotta get a I gotta got to get a speech out of this. Yeah. Yeah, I think I can do it, you know. Yeah but it

0:49:05 Thomas: Something then yeah. Yeah. Well, I might as well get my money's worth over here. I've already prepped this one. Yeah, okay. I mean, honestly, I get it. Yeah I get it. I wouldn't prep a CPAC speech either.

0:49:25 Lydia: Really is that the left and the media gaslight the right. They've been doing it for the last 10 years and now we're finally starting to see an end of it and she believes we'll continue to see an end to it in the lively Baldoni case and Baldoni will come out victorious. Yeah there There we go.

0:49:39 Thomas: All right. Well yeah, put your marker down. I disagree. CPAC. Wow. That is incredible. Yeah I mean it's like every other anti -woke bullshit. It's a story they need. It is a spooky story to share around the fucking anti -woke campfire and then blake lively there was a hook hanging from the back of the blake lightly movie ah it's us yeah it's all it is it's fucking people all right well thanks so much for listening thanks lydia for taking us through that uh although no thanks for me having to actually not just hear megan kelly but look at her which is disturbing observing talk about a spooky story she chose poorly

0:49:47 Lydia: What a weird thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Yeah. Yes. I know. I know. She did. Man, that is good. Man you are on it with these references.

0:50:20 Thomas: We will uh see you next time that's all I'm good for thanks so much for listening and again hope you check out gavel gavel but if you don't that's okay thanks for listening to this show and we'll see you