WTW76: Debunking the Deranged Blake Lively Hatestorm

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0:00:42 Thomas: Hello and welcome to Where There's Woke. This is episode 76. I'm Thomas Smith. That over there is Lydia Smith. How are you doing?

0:00:47 Lydia: Hello, hello. I am doing okay. How are you? Oh boy. Yeah. Yeah.

0:00:51 Thomas: Couldn't be better. That's funny because I'm mid -mental breakdown. It's an inside joke, don't worry about it. I am in a padded room right now. We'll try to... someday I'll explain. Yeah, different kind of padded room. One of us is in an asylum, the other is doing like a wacky tacky adventure, like you're having a fun... no. trampoline room or something so

0:01:05 Lydia: Me too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like Velcro walls. I'm like throwing myself on them. Yeah. Yes.

0:01:23 Thomas: Big announcement here's what's happening currently we have gone live with gavel gavel finally on the public feed it's out for everybody for the people we've wanted to for a long time and the way we're doing that is by going live with our new series with our new subject and that is the blake lively and justin baldoni legal drama it's going to be so fascinating hop on over to gavel gabble at some point if you want to hear that and the basics on that so this month for where there's woke we're doing a little bit of crossover but don't worry it's if you don't want to listen to gavel gavel no problem it's all going to be standalone don't worry because it's completely relevant to where there is woke it's like we've discovered over the course of looking into this like it's the same exact dynamics and people

0:01:30 Lydia: Woop woop. Mm

0:02:03 Thomas: That go into these anti -woke controversies and it's really I've reflected on it so much I'm literally the reason I'm in an asylum right now is I'm overwhelmed with the thoughts of like how many ways there There are parallels here and like, I don't know what to do about it, but I feel like our job has been to try to like identify it and to try to, you know, to try to debunk and I love a good debunk. And this is a debunk specifically having to do with the Blake Lively Baldoni stuff. So it's a debulk and it's also highlighting just some of the same dynamics that that lead us to the hell that we're currently in where, gosh, for example, just to bring this up randomly I just sent you at a time when trump is shutting down the whole government and ruining everything and gutting science funding like everywhere just across we're just literally ruining fucking everything you know gutting every single like environmental protection every like scientific things for the point I'm making at this time the fucking manosphere science dinguses Yeah, those people, Richard Dawkins, who is on the list, Peter Boghossian, Lawrence Krauss, all those fucking buffoons right now in this moment, in the year of not our Lord, in the year, in 2025, when we're not going to be left with a fucking government and science funding vaccines, we have an anti -vaxxer in charge of all of that shit. It. And at that time, because of the anti -woke stuff, because of the very stuff that we're trying to debunk, right now, they're releasing a book called The War on Science. 39 renowned scientists and scholars speak out about current threats to free speech, open inquiry, and the scientific process

0:03:07 Lydia: Yeah, intellectual dark web. Peter Boghossian. Steven Pinker. Yeah? Yeah, mm hmm. It's so crazy.

0:03:55 Thomas: Right now. And how much of them are Trump stuff, do you think? How many of the chapters, how many of them, you know, like table of contents. I have it right here. Yeah. Legitimately.

0:04:04 Lydia: See yeah you would hope it's all of them because like that's actually the war on science and like the anti -woke people won like why are we still talking about this you won god

0:04:14 Thomas: Yeah, yeah. Are you ready for this? Section one, free speech, victimhood, and ideology. So no, not there. Section two, ideological corruption of academic disciplines. And that's going to be in a different direction than maybe you might think. Cancel culture, section three. Section four, impact of diversity, equity, and inclusion bureaucracies on scholarship and academia and beyond. In this day and age, it's gone yeah it's gone why you're writing a book about why the left ruined a thing that the right has now burned down like there's Elon Musk has a smoking like torch that he just is putting out because he burned down the entire building and it's rubble and he's standing on top of it peeing on it and then Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss are like so the real problem here is the left you know it's like it's so worthless it's so fucking worthless and it's this same misdirection I mean so So much of what we are working on, broadly speaking, is this misdirection. It's the prioritization of culture war, hot button things that are made up, mostly, pretty much mostly made up and inevitably involve voices that want to challenge the dominant hegemonic like class kind of thing. Like that's always what it is. It's trans people. It's people of color. It's women. Any voice and more, by the way, gay people, it's so many. You just go down the list that non basically any non -Christian white male conservative cis person, basically, as long as they don't agree with those people. If they agree with the team, then that's great. You can use their voice in order to stomp on. Yeah, exactly. You can lose them as a token, whether it's, you know, whether It's a black person or a woman who wants to fight against other feminists, happy to use them to stump all over people. But it's it's the it's all one fucking Marvel Universe. And I just I just want to talk about how many different ways this bullshit thing from the Blake Lively controversy that don't worry we'll give you enough facts to go on so you don't have to listen to you don'T HAVE TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT YOU DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN GABBLE GABBLING IF YOU DONT WANT TO BUT YOU SHOULD SO AFTER THIS BREAK WE'RE GONNA GET INTO IT I CANNOT WAIT TO DO THIS DEBUNK IT'S IT'S LITERALLY DEMONS INSIDE ME TRYING TO GET OUT THEY'RE CLAWING AT ME BECAUSE IT'S SO INFURIATING

0:04:37 Lydia: Why are they bothering writing that like that is gone too so it is gone so it's a blank chapter Mm Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. As a token. Mm-hm. Yeah. Mm. Yeah. Yeah.

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0:06:33 Thomas: OKAY SO IF YOU DON'T MIND CAN YOU TRY TO GIVE PEOPLE JUST ENOUGH INFO TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE HERE AND And not an inch more. Nothing more. Not a drop more.

0:06:40 Lydia: Not an inch more. Oh, my gosh. That's a lot of pressure. Okay. So, essentially, this all revolves around a book that was turned into a movie last summer called It Ends With Us. Blake Lively was cast as the main character opposite Justin Baldoni, who was also the the director and the head of the studio that had optioned the book from Colleen Hoover, the author. So the movie comes out and as it's coming out, there's this kind of eruption almost of anti -Blake Lively media. And it seemingly comes out of nowhere. Some people are really confused. Some people just like they jump onto it.

0:07:12 Thomas: Yeah. Most people are just mad. Most people latch on to it. Yeah. And they jump on to like the way they're promoting the film since the film has to do with domestic violence. They think Blake Lively should be like, I don't know, pretending she's a victim the whole time or coming out with a cast on her arm. I don'T know what they expect from her, but whatever she's doing is wrong. Yeah. It's like however she'sdoing it is wrong and that starts this sort of avalanche. It's kind of, yeah, I'm trying to, what's the metaphor for the thing? It's like the snowball rolling down the snowballing. That's it. It starts small and it just collects all these different misogynists and all these differently. And to the point where you get to the bottom and that snowball includes a lot of normal people. Like that's, what so pernicious about it. Like by the time you get the bottom, there's so many people who I don't think would ever think they're sexist or piling on. And they just see, oh man, I don' like this person. And here's why it's there's these couple little things and they are the worst. And we all hate this person.

0:07:31 Lydia: Yeah, yeah. Audrey from Little Shop of Horrors, Like, yeah. It's a tornado, right?

0:07:50 Lydia: Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. And one of the biggest pieces during that snowballing that went very viral, you had mentioned, you know, like to the point where you even saw it. Like, yeah,

0:08:23 Thomas: Yeah. I saw it on Reddit. I was so confused. I thought I was like, what is this? What the fuck is this OK?

0:08:31 Lydia: Right.

0:08:31 Thomas: And then I forgot because I have no frame of reference. And this was back in August. So like I just was like, I don't know who this is. I don'T know Blake Lively at all. Literally had never seen anything she was in. And I just WAS like, What are we doing here from 2016?

0:08:41 Lydia: Yeah. And so it is an interview of Blake Lively and Parker Posey while they were doing press tour for Cafe Society back in 2016, back in 2017, summer of 2016, that Kirstie Flaa uploaded to YouTube. Yeah she's an interviewer for celebrities and

0:08:56 Thomas: Don't worry. You should not know who Kirstie Flah is at all. She was just an incredibly minor interviewer of internet celebrity interviewer person that no one would have ever heard of.

0:09:08 Lydia: So she uploaded it from what we can tell this might be the first time it's ever been uploaded and it's titled

0:09:16 Thomas: The Blake Lively interview that made me want to quit my job. It has, as of recording, it has 6 .8 million views, 6 .9 million views. 34 ,000 comments. And they're universally negative, negative universally. And it's not just like, no, that was a little, like the proper reaction to me is like, this is nothing. But like, maybe you think it's a little weird. The proper action would be like, yeah, that's a Little weird. Hmm.

0:09:21 Lydia: Yeah yeah it's crazy it's a little off-putting yeah no

0:09:46 Thomas: That was slightly awkward. The reactions are like as though she is Pol Pot or another genocidal dictator who just mutilated your family. Like Like, that's what the reactions are. It's incredible. It's not fake people. That's the thing I want to, you know, make sure to get across. We won't talk about that here. There may be some, like, artificial, you know, stuff happening behind the scenes here. But this is real people. Like, people, I don't think it takes much. Talk about that snowball. It only takes a little bit if we're dealing with a woman or a person of color or whatever. If we're dealing with someone who threatens the hierarchy, it only takes it. It only only takes just a little bit, and then everyone wants to find a way to hate them. And it's so easy with women for our society is so quick to hate a woman and find every reason that she's wrong and like look at this comment from a female username by the way with 66 ,000 likes this comment has 66, 000 likes this is a classic high school bullying method acting like you totally click with your bestie right in front of the third wheel to make them feel as excluded and ostracized and rejected as possible stuff like that and it gets so vitriolic like I'll never see Blake Lively the same way again. I can't wait for anyone who doesn't know what this is. I just want to set up the interviewer almost quitter job. It's so bad. It's actually scary. This is 31 ,000 likes. It is actually scary to observe two people who are so full of themselves. This isn't 34 ,000 like. I love how the interview never forgot this moment and patiently waited until it was the right time to drop this okay yeah okay so let's play it we're gonna play for anyone who hasn't heard it we'RE GOING TO PLAY I mean the part that earned her public execution is like the first three seconds so we can just we can play that for starters and and uh don't adjust that dial this is what it is like you're not gonna fucking believe this here we go that's

0:10:52 Lydia: Yeah yeah I saw that one too oh geez Jeez.

0:11:25 Lydia: Blake Lively trying to act like a feminist while bullying a female interviewer who was being genuine slash kind is ironic and so hypocritical. Yeah. Yeah.

0:11:50 Clip: First of all, congrats on your little bump. You've got two nice ones. And these, they are kinda bumps, aren't they? No, not bumps. They're lovely lady lumps. Check it out. Do you like the movie? Are you a Woody Allen fan?

0:11:58 Thomas: Blake Lively laughing I think it's a little bit of a like uncomfortable like I think she's expressing discomfort, possibly, but she does it, I think, the way women have to do, which is even in a room full of three women, because it's going to be on, you know, on the internet or whatever, but like, they have to do it in a very pleasant way. It's on women to like completely de -escalate or if that's the right word, like to keep everything fine while they're perhaps trying to voice some discomfort with something. Sure. No, shut up! You can but I'm cutting it uh but go ahead

0:12:32 Lydia: And can I chime in to say, like, not a safe space for me, I guess.

0:12:46 Lydia: This was not like super early in Blake's pregnancy. You know, it's not the middle of Blake's pregnancy it's towards the end and there's a lot of expectations on women for like how their bump is supposed to look throughout their pregnancy and so I kind of want to like yeah spin this on its head a little bit where it's like congrats on your little bump she's eight months pregnant you know she's far along in the pregnancy and for someone to call your belly small that can also be offensive for women too like commenting on a body at all that's pregnant it's just unnecessary she She could have said, hey, congrats on your pregnancy. I'm sure you're really excited. Like if she wanted to even have that conversation.

0:13:11 Thomas: Interesting yeah and I have a feeling everyone should play that in their minds do you think she would said congratulations on your pregnancy like it it clearly is about the calling attention to her stomach in an interview it's not about like fuck this person for congratulating me like that's not what it's about and

0:13:34 Lydia: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. And it's not like she's standing up or like it showed her walking in where you can see it. Like she's literally sitting down where like if you're just watching the interview, I don't think your eyes are necessarily going to focus in on that. Like, it's something that drew attention to something that honestly didn't even need to be talked about at all, but then done so in a way that I don't think was super sensitive, especially coming from another woman.

0:14:03 Thomas: Again I want to note for people not able to see this currently I want to play this whole thing, but it's audio. It's just not going to work, unfortunately. But it sucks because so many of the points I want to make are based on that. But we'll see what I can do. Mm -hmm. I know. At this point, Blake

0:14:12 Lydia: Well, we'll link the video. Not that you necessarily want to keep racking up Kiersey Flaw's view count, but, you know, whatever.

0:14:19 Thomas: Lively is smiling nicely the whole time. And at the end of that little exchange, when Parker Posey is the other woman there, she asks, you know, did you like the movie or whatever? Blake Lively kindly is looking over toward Kirstie. She's redirecting back to Kirstcie in that moment. It was a comment that there was definitely something behind it, as we talked about. There's definitely some discomfort there. But that is the thing. I'm in disbelief. Like if you take an objective view of this, that is fucking nothing. It's absolutely nothing. And so as some of the comments said to kind of make that make sense, then the rest of it, they talk about how, oh, they just ignored the interviewer. They iced her out. They're mean girls, mean girl behavior. As you just saw, Parker Posey posed the question back and

0:14:41 Lydia: Yeah, it obviously bugged her. Yeah.

0:15:07 Clip: I love most of his movies, and this one was so visually amazing. Did you guys love wearing those kind of clothes that you have?

0:15:16 Thomas: I'm going to warn you, viewer discretion advised. You're about to hear the next thing, the next war crime that earned Blake Lively a public execution.

0:15:27 Clip: Everyone wants to talk about the clothes, but I wonder if they would ask the men about the I love Jesse's suits and how he chose it. His wardrobe was beautiful.

0:15:41 Clip: I would wish men wore high-waisted pants like that still.

0:15:46 Thomas: That little hiccup you heard was in the original video. That wasn't like me. And maybe you can't, I don't, who knows if you'll be able to hear it by the time this gets like crunched to MP3 and then on your player, you're listening at 5x speed, but there's a little hiccup there. And it brings me to a later point I was going to make, which is this is deceptively edited, but we'll get to that in a a moment, because right now what's happening is they're talking to each other. And I think that Parker Posey picked up on a little bit of that discomfort, maybe, although I'm not even sure, because when you watch other interviews, they're Talking to Each Other and they start talking to each other, so what she said was, everyone wants to talk about the clothing, but I wonder if they would ask the men about the clothes, which is what Hitler did and why we bombed them.

0:16:28 Lydia: It's something that gets brought up on places like the red carpet all the time, right? Women are always asked, what are you wearing? What are you bearing? And men aren't. And they're asked about their work. This is a common, common thing that actors have been speaking out about. And so for that to be your first question in the interview, especially when it's like, like you're trying to set it up, you know, it's a beautiful, gorgeous movie to look at. Did you like wearing those costumes? Instead of saying the costume design was especially remarkable. How was it kind of like living in that period yeah it's a bad question yeah and I'm not even good of an interviewer like no yeah

0:16:56 Thomas: Yeah, Yeah. I didn't think about that. That's a, that's a great point. It's like, did you like wearing the clothes? It is a horrible question. No. Well, actually that's, that's good time to talk about something I wanted to talk abou. As someone who is an interviewer myself, the worst thing in an interview, the worse fucking thing. And I've had this happen only a couple of times. And it's the worst. And I've had it happen marginally a few times, but I get through it and then edit to make it not sound like shit. The worst thing you can do in an interview is not talk. Like if I'm an interviewer and like, so what did you think? How long have you been making movies? If I ask whatever the question is and they go, about a year or whatever, you know, and they just stop. That makes you want to quit your job. Like I've had ones where people won't talk. That's the worst feeling because like as an interview, you want some time to think of your next question a little bit or make sure you have, you know, like, and if someone gives one word answers, you likely have a few questions prepped. You You likely have a few. If you're better than me, I can't prep like fucking anything. I just, I really, I'm going to reveal myself. I've rarely prepped anything. I try to have like a question ready, like five minutes before we start. That's as best as I can do. But I make,

0:17:23 Lydia: Yeah yeah you're a very genuine person is what it is yeah Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah, right, right.

0:18:10 Thomas: Yeah, I make up for it, but I'm genuinely interested in people. So I try, you know, but it's hard because sometimes if you're caught off guard and maybe the first question doesn't go well, if they give a quick answer, you're like, fuck, I I'm not ready. Like that's, it's so hard. The worst thing for an interview is that. Now, keep in mind, I don't want to get too elitist here, but I'm doing a different kind of interviewing. I'm doing a type of interviewing where what I say matters a little bit more, where like I'm trying, like an Ezra Klein type, I try to do that. I am not saying I am anywhere near as good as he is. When I am doing interviews, I am usually also trying to communicate thoughts, maybe get their, I want to, you know, I want hear what they think about maybe the way I am framing things, but like I am a little part of it. I not trying to just be like totally to the side. It is a conversation more than an interview usually. And that's how I do it. If people don't like it, whatever, they don't like it. But that's what I'm doing. When you're doing a fucking celebrity bullshit interview, sorry again to be a little superior here. You're not part of the fucking interview. Nobody cares about you. Like nobody is there to hear Kirstie Flaw talk. The point is to get the celebrity to talk. Yeah, you just want to get them talking. You want to have a video of them talking? That's what you care about. Nobody fucking tunes into E! News, whatever bullshit. I can't even come up with the examples. Nobody goes to the red carpet video to hear the interviewer and what they're going to say. They're usually doing everything they can to get the celebrity to talk. They just want to, like, hopefully prompt them in the right way to talk." I don't care about this stuff, but that is what it is. It's silly. There might be perhaps, like different contexts where that's not true. Like maybe some more in -depth interviews. I don' t know. Fucking, mm -hmm. Kirstie Flaw is not that. Yeah. We'll just say that there may be others who are, but she's not. And the red carpet too, often when it comes to those, or if it's like the people, what is it? It's the red carpet before the award shows or whatever. You're trying to talk to a million celebrities. You get like five seconds with each of them. You know, you're not going to waste that five seconds. And that's kind of what this is. Cause this is a press tour where they're in the same setting for multiple interviews. This is not Kirstie Flaw's living room. This this is where they are. This is where Parker Posey and Blake Lively are. And different interviews, yeah, you get a little bit of time with them. You shouldn't waste that time being the person who talks. I say all this because the biggest thing people are criticizing is, oh, Parker Posey, and Blake lively, just talking to each other, mean girl behavior. They're not even interacting. And here's the other thing that again, is a little uncomfortable to say, having been someone who was at events or like God awful movies, live shows or something where like like people want to talk to you, like me and Heath, for example, we'll talk to each other because a lot of these interactions can be uncomfortable. A lot of them are great. Totally great. A little uncomfortable. Someone comes up, they're awkward. They say weird stuff. They, you know, like they're just, okay, this is a little, a little awkward. And you have your friend there who's there the whole time. Not the interviewer passing through like Kirstie Fla here, but your friends there the full time you interact with that friend. It's a, it's a a little bit of a comfort in an awkward

0:19:11 Lydia: Yeah and to sell the movie. Yeah yeah.

0:19:47 Lydia: I think there are some like people who have gone like viral for how they approach red carpet that have like a real skill at it where they are kind of well -known and they have like other projects and stuff and people are excited to go talk to them but for the most part you're 100 % right. Kirstie Flaa is not Not that you have. Yeah.

0:20:17 Lydia: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they switch out the interviewers. Yeah ignoring Christy Flaw. Yeah right

0:21:26 Thomas: Moment, you know, and they don't owe anything personally to this interviewer. They're there to do a job, which is promote the film, but they're not friends with her. They's not even like a professional relationship, really. It's like a very quick thing. There's going to be multiple of these. And when you're someone who has to talk to and do these painful interviews all day, it must get pretty fucking tiresome. And I know it's your your job. But like, we also have to recognize people are humans too. Like, I just think the level of judgment, it's one thing, if you want to say this was a little awkward, fine. I think it was nothing. I Think it was barely, I think It was almost nothing, like completely nothing. If you want To say it was a Little awkward, sure. But does it warrant this? Does it warrant all the hyperbole about it? Like it's, it'S insane. And there's so much more to it because there's also, when I look through here, I won't play the whole thing. So the deceptive editing editing thing I was talking about. Kirstie Fla has edited this herself. I am positive of this or, or,

0:22:27 Lydia: It's her own company. Yeah Yeah.

0:22:27 Thomas: You know, someone it's her own video, either her or whoever, like someone with her did it as a point. And they keep cutting back to Kirste. They cut back to Kirsty. Who's like one time, she's like about to say something, but otherwise she's just sitting there. She thinks she's getting, you know maybe needs to ask a question, but then that effect it has and is very intentional is look at them, gabbering away, not even letting her get a wording. A couple of things wrong with that. For one, that's because of the editing.

0:22:55 Thomas: We shouldn't even see her. There's another video that I'll play probably a little of where it's some dude doing the interview who, by the way, is much more of a popular channel. It's called like Joe Blow Movie Network. So it's like a more this YouTube network. I don't know it, but it's bigger than Kirstie Floss. So, it's and no other times. And the other times you just film the celebrities because they're the fucking actresses. They're who you're there for. You're not there to see an interviewer that you don't know. That's just not it. And it's edited to make it look like, and we can't know this for sure, but every time it cuts away, there's a real chance. I think there's real chance that Blake Lively is actually looking at her and she cut away deceptively because there's no other reason to cut to her. A, it's either to just show her like maybe trying to say something or to cut when Blake Lively might've been looking at her. Even still, Blake Lively does look at her several times. They go back and forth. And here's another thing. If you're interviewing someone, there can be a time where as an interviewer, you want the flow of the conversation. You want things to flow. You don't want dead air, especially on something like this with a time limit. So it's not even a bad thing if my interview subjects, subject or subjects, are talking. Talking, there's perhaps what seems like a brief pause. And so I'm like, oh, got to ask a question. So, and then they keep going. There's nothing wrong with that. That's fine. You're trying to keep the flow going. And sometimes I have this happen every fucking day of my job where I'm like, Oh, I think I, they're, I Think they're coming to a stop in their thing. So I need to have a, I need To have a question ready. And I start to say, and so, Oh they weren't done. And too. Get them to talk more. So that's fine.

0:23:52 Lydia: Right. Yeah, and they're still going. Yeah yeah. Yeah it's not for you to be heard it's to yeah yeah yeah of

0:24:46 Thomas: Yes. We're not talking about some fucking power hitter interviewer trying to take on, you know, Frost Nixon or something like we're not. It's we're not doing that. It'S fucking celebrity interview about a movie. You just want them to talk about a move. That's your goal. And when you look at this, she asks several questions and she talks a decent amount. Let's play. I just want the reason I'm playing this is to compare it to another video where people said, oh, she can be nice to a man.

0:25:16 Thomas: And they're trying to catch her on this hypocrisy. She can be Nice to a Man. So Kirstie Faw asked that. So we covered the little bump. We covered the first question, which is terrible, as

0:25:16 Lydia: Course yeah

0:25:30 Clip: I love most of his movies, and this one was so, like, visually amazing. Did you guys love wearing those kind of clothes that you...

0:25:39 Thomas: We covered bad question.

0:25:41 Clip: Everyone wants to talk about the clothes, but I wonder if they would ask the men about

0:25:41 Thomas: Okay. So then, right. She says I would. So that's her getting another word in for just for what it's worth. Yeah. They talk about the beautiful costumes of the men and they hope that the men are asked about them, which seems pretty legitimate to me. Whatever. Blake looks at her several times and then we get to, they

0:25:49 Lydia: Kind of defensively

0:26:06 Clip: And then you notice in L.A., like, everybody's in cream colors, and all the men are wearing, like white and cream and you get to New York and it's a little bit more browns and moodier and Susie really told such a story yeah um alongside Vittorio because it's it is a lot brighter and sunnier in LA and New York has just a steaminess to it and I think you know you know the whole

0:26:26 Thomas: Have cut to Kirstie a hundred fucking times. This is her doing that in order to try to make a bullshit fucking fake point. Because if you take out the cuts over to Kirsties face doing nothing, what you have is a fine interview about the fucking movie. She's like, yeah, in LA, they've got the warmer tone, the dark, whatever the fuck she said.

0:26:30 Lydia: Too

0:26:45 Thomas: That's fine. That's what you're going for. You're trying to get the person to talk about the movie. It's great. Now we get to another question here.

0:26:45 Lydia: Yeah yeah I

0:26:53 Clip: Hollywood glam it's so glamorous and everything can you relate to the things they were saying about Hollywood it's, so easy to get seduced by the fame and the money and oh you see it all the the time. That was one of my favorite things about the movie were the subtle turns to their

0:27:09 Thomas: Now, again, they're talking mostly to each other. Blake does this actually a lot though. I think she likes, again she has a personal relationship with one of these people, you know? So she's talking to that person, but she's also looking over from time to time. And we don't know how many times she's looking over because this is deceptively edited. We don't knows for sure.

0:27:17 Lydia: Want

0:27:28 Clip: Often times you're such a greater fan of them as a person than you are as the person that

0:27:31 Thomas: Oh, she's look at her there. Yeah, she brought her, look at her again. She bring her in completely fine.

0:27:32 Clip: People feel like they know and that's always nice and refreshing when you see that.

0:27:37 Thomas: We've gone over to Kirstie for no reason. Okay. Now she has another question. Now, what question is that? Like three or four? I've lost track.

0:27:46 Lydia: To say third this is now her third question

0:27:49 Thomas: Yeah. She had the, I guess she had the comment that I would. Yeah, we'll know that I would or whatever. Oh, I'm counting the, you, you can't. Yeah! That's the first question.

0:27:51 Lydia: The bump which is not yeah yeah I would yeah oh I wasn't counting bump that it's not a question oh

0:27:58 Thomas: Well, it's, I am saying prompts for, it's her talking to prompt the other, you know, the celebrities.

0:28:02 Clip: Do you feel like, what do you feel is the biggest misconception about fame and Hollywood

0:28:03 Lydia: Then yes then this This is for.

0:28:03 Thomas: And so it's about, yeah, at least. And so then we get this one.

0:28:15 Clip: I think the idea that people think that they know you, I think because of how intrusive

0:28:16 Thomas: Okay. So then we'll get some some stuff there. That's an interesting point.

0:28:24 Clip: People care so much more about your personal life than they do your work. And if you aren't open with your personal lives, then they just make it up for you and So I think that the biggest misconception I see often is people feeling like they know

0:28:35 Thomas: By the way, she's perfectly, you know, she's smiling and addressing that toward Kiersey in a way that's like, I mean, she might be kind of making a point there, but not really. I mean that might be tangentially related to the discomfort earlier, but Not really. Cause she's talking about like making up your life for you.

0:28:50 Lydia: I yeah, I think this is just this is what they deal with all the time. This is like anyone trying to say that this is specifically in response to Kirstie Flaw is not being realistic. This is why like tabloids exist, because people like to make up what they think a celebrity's life is all about.

0:28:54 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah. All the time. Yeah, for the love of God, Perez Hilton got his start with like like upskirt stuff and shit. Like it's just, it's awful. It's an awful thing to deal with.

0:29:12 Lydia: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, and like even now, despite Blake sharing this, like that this is something that is a real struggle for people who work in the industry. Even now, like you see it on Reddit, people saying like, I bet that her marriage with Ryan Reynolds is not doing well. And I've heard that they're separated and et cetera, et cetera. It's literally crazy. Yeah.

0:29:34 Thomas: The theories are insane. Literally crazy. It makes no fucking sense. So we got that question. She's still going on here.

0:29:45 Thomas: This answer, she's fully engaged with Kirstie and talking toward her. Fully engaged. And I think that people don't watch the whole video probably, even though it's all four minutes. So, you know, I understand why that's so hard to do.

0:29:57 Clip: The disappointing thing is when you don't, because they know what the media has created

0:30:02 Thomas: She looks objectively warm and inviting honestly

0:30:04 Clip: And the disappointing thing when you meet the people, they're always so much more awesome than they're portrayed to be. I mean, that's normally my experience. And even people that are portrayed to really great people, there just a lot more complicated and interesting and nuanced and caring and thoughtful. And that's always nice, you know, to see that your idea of someone isn't always who they actually are.

0:30:31 Thomas: Wait what was that cut that was absolutely a cut where they probably said something nice like I bet you anything because that sounded like it cut out some content to me I mean I could be wrong because her cuts are terrible because she probably edited this but it almost sounded like they cut out something that might have been a nice pleasantry at the end of the thing to me because otherwise it doesn't really make any sense that it ended there Oh,

0:30:33 Lydia: Was a cut. But yeah. Right. Yeah. Almost like maybe it was something that Kirstie Floss said, like, I really enjoyed this conversation with you guys or something like that. Like, wanted to cut that out. So I know.

0:30:59 Thomas: Man, could have been. Boy, I wish we had the unedited thing. Hey, release the uneducated thing, Kirstie. If it's what you're talking about, release the uneduated thing.

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0:31:12 Thomas: So, what did we get up to? Four, at least? Questions?

0:31:16 Lydia: Four or five.

0:31:16 Thomas: Okay, now I want to play the interview that is, oh, why is she nicer to the male interviewer and mean to the female?

0:31:23 Lydia: Hmm.

0:31:24 Thomas: Wow, she can make eye contact with this interviewer. Go figure. She's nicer talking to the man. Interesting when you know someone's not a girl's girl. And again, this is an interview for a channel that is far more something than the other one. And yet, let's count how much this guy talks.

0:31:40 Clip: What are some of the fun things that come with shooting a movie that takes place during this, you Music. The music was amazing. Getting to see, we were exposed to musicians, New Yorkers who play, They specialize in 1930s jazz music. Yeah, this performer, Cabaret and Cat, who's incredible, and she performs here in New York. She's the one singing in the movie for a few scenes. And we got to sit there and watch these live performances of them while we were dressed in these incredible vintage couture gowns and jewelry. And, you know, there's an excitement to that because it wasn't faked, you Know?

0:32:15 Thomas: We might have to play this whole fucking one.

0:32:21 Clip: You have people that are actually there performing live. And there was a time where we all sat around as a cast, and I'd never seen this before on a film,

0:32:25 Thomas: They have not shown him yet. I want to emphasize, same setting, so this is the same day. Could have been before, could have been after. We don't know. Same day, same length of time.

0:32:37 Lydia: Also, Blake Lively, happy to talk about the costume as it serves a purpose. No, because she's presenting it in the realm of the setting of the entire experience.

0:32:41 Thomas: Oh, that's the huge gotcha. She's okay talking to the man about clothes. Idiot. Yeah. And he asked what is fun or interesting about shooting a period piece like that or whatever, you know, and she brings it up as one of the things. And here's the other thing. Yeah, he didn't ask about it. He didn't asked about it, it's categorically a different thing. And again, that's all to defend in quotes, what she did in the other interview, which is just say, I will I wonder if they asked the men about the clothes.

0:33:16 Thomas: That's it. That it that's all she said. It's nothing. Anyway, we're almost a minute in. They have not panned back to the dude a single time yet.

0:33:24 Clip: Where, hold on, I just lost my ring in my hair. That's alarming when you're finding. No, but I remember when Kat went to perform with the band, we had a break because they turned around. It wasn't on us anymore, it was on them. And they said, okay, you go back to your trailer. I wanted to secretly watch the performance, but I didn't know if it was allowed because it was my first day And you know they didn't they weren't pulling up chairs for us. It wasn't a true concert We were still making a movie and so I went around the corner And I looked for the sound booth and there was a tiny little monitor It was this big on our sound guys cart and I thought okay And I just see this monitor and I round the corner and I see Parker and I See Jesse and I say Paul and I And I see Jeannie, everyone, everybody sitting around fighting over this little monitor because everybody was so excited to be able to see these performers do what they do best.

0:34:20 Clip: Everybody was so happy and honored to be there and be doing good work, stimulating work. And it was neat that nobody was going back to their trailer. Everybody was just proud to be here. You know, Vittorio Storaro shot it, his first time working in digital.

0:34:34 Thomas: Now they're talking to each other.

0:34:37 Clip: And the set design and Susie Benzinger, the costume designer.

0:34:38 Thomas: Still have not shown the dude a single time. We're halfway through because this is how you would do an actual fucking interview like this. You're trying to get the beautiful celebrities to talk about the movie.

0:34:42 Clip: So when we would go into the club, what's the club called?

0:34:51 Lydia: Mm

0:34:51 Thomas: They have not showed him a single Time we're two minutes in. I'm going to keep going.

0:34:57 Thomas: They're just talking to Each other. How dare they?

0:34:59 Clip: But in the movie, did they keep it Les Trophiques? It was the Red Door or something.

0:35:03 Thomas: Oh, they didn't even look at him when he said.

0:35:04 Clip: In the script and when we shot, it Was Something Else. Do you think that's how it was back in the day?

0:35:10 Thomas: I Oh, there we go. We finally went to the dude and we're getting a question. Question two.

0:35:12 Lydia: Hmm. Yeah. He's noticing it slowing down a little bit. So yeah.

0:35:17 Clip: Do you Think that's How It Was Back in the Day, though, that the actors would kind of just always hang out and it was just maybe a different atmosphere

0:35:27 Thomas: It's kind of a terrible question, to be honest with you. But that's dope. Now we're paying back to them.

0:35:31 Clip: I think in the 90s, yeah, it was like that too. Because there weren't trailers to go to. I fantasize that there was more camaraderie and more movies cast based on chemistry and not how much money your last bill made.

0:35:48 Clip: So that's what I love about Woody Allen's movies is that he gets to create you know these ensembles and exactly the way that he wants to and and put these characters together and yeah I find I love this

0:35:50 Thomas: Absolutely not. Haven't shown him. Blake is looking at her the entire time because she's looking at who's talking and interesting.

0:36:07 Clip: Movie I think it's very warm and wise and witty and charming yeah it's

0:36:19 Thomas: They still haven't shown them again. They have not shown him that they showed him the once.

0:36:21 Clip: Um, I can't, I think I was just too nervous. It's hard to separate yourself from it.

0:36:37 Clip: But only because I'm sad to leave. We've made every single person cry so far. He wants you to comfort him. Favorite Woody Allen movie, not counting this one. Manhattan Murder Mystery for me.

0:36:54 Thomas: That's it. End of celebrity interview. Same length of time. He did get three questions in. They only showed him when he was asking the questions for as quick as possible because that's what you do in this exact interview totally fine that's the interview that's the function that they're doing that's it yeah

0:36:55 Lydia: There we go. Okay. That's crazy. Yeah because I hadn't watched that video. I was waiting for you to present it here that's crazy yeah

0:37:19 Thomas: Yeah the idea that like she'll treat the man it's no this is because this interviewer knew what the job was and did the job and what it wasn't I mean honestly wasn't that great like questions weren't great but like whatever to To present the Kirstie Flau one is the interview that made her want to quit her job.

0:37:37 Thomas: It's insane. It's insane. And then I need to play just a touch of the other interview that you on Gavel Gavel played for me as the next thing that everyone said was the worst. So this is the other thing that she did that was part of why she needed to be murdered.

0:37:57 Clip: To run into a celebrity in public, we only have a few moments to maybe speak with you guys, who relate to the topics of this movie on a deeply personal level, they're really going to want to talk to you. And they're going to wanna tell you about their lives. So if someone understands the themes of this movie comes across you in public and they want to really talk to you what's the best way for them to be able to talk to about this how would you recommend they go about it like asking for like my address or my phone number or like my location share I could just location share you and then we could uh I'm just curious social security number I'm a virgo so I'm like are we talking logistics are we taking emotionally yeah what's been beautiful about this movie is that like unfortunately we all know at least this

0:38:43 Thomas: So I don't want to repeat too much because we go into this in Gavel Gavel, but what's happening there is this guy's asking an insane question. Question. Hey, if a stranger wants to come up and accost you about their deepest, darkest, emotional things, how should a million strangers a day do that? It's like, that's an insane question to ask a woman. How should people come up to you and talk to you about this? By the way, this, so this was modern day. This was about, it ends with us. This wasn't 2016. So I want to play this because I realized something and there's probably, maybe this is obvious to you into any woman, And but so forgive the if this is obvious, but it occurred to me that everything people are mad at Blake at are when she is expressing discomfort.

0:39:28 Thomas: That's it. It just kind of blew my mind. Maybe that's obvious, But it kind of Blew my mind that like, oh, yeah, the kind of people that would so quickly hate a woman and be mad at her and just go off on her are the kind kind of people that really don't react well if a woman expresses any of her boundaries, expresses the slightest discomfort. Yeah.

0:39:47 Lydia: And she's also doing it in a humorous way too right like I think there are some people who just don't understand that humor there's like a little bit of like sarcasm there and if you think about her relationship with ryan reynolds and the way that they engage in social media and stuff like these responses is tracked to who she presents herself online yeah yeah rather than next question yeah yeah

0:40:04 Thomas: And most importantly, that's her being kind. That's her trying to express some discomfort in a way that's jovial. What she didn't say for Kirstie Flaa was, how dare you ask me about my fucking bump, you ass. She didn't do that. She doesn't get to do that. Women can't do that. So what she does is she makes a little joke. And then the second one is, I wonder if they ask the men about the clothes, the least offensive possible way I can imagine to make the point. I wonder If they ask them about the clothes, like it's a perfectly valid point. I can't, there's absolutely a valid point, I can think of a less offensive way to make that point. So is she not allowed to make a point like that? Is that just not a thing you can do without being a complete B word, C word, every single word that they call women?

0:40:18 Lydia: Yeah yeah yeah I think also since we covered this particular interview on gavel gavel I found out that Blake Lively actually had a stalker at one point and it's understandable that this is a clear boundary for her. She has four children and she has expressly called out paparazzi for trying to get pictures of her kids and like how inappropriate that is. Again, had that stalker situation, had to pursue a restraining order. Like this is serious thing for especially female celebrities, especially ones that have children. Like it is ruthless out there. And so I think it's perfectly understandable for her from a humorous perspective, especially, you know, She doesn't owe that to anybody, but she's going to do it because that's coming from a place of like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. This is her job.

0:41:33 Thomas: She has to. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and just the patriarchy. Women are not allowed to express their discomfort. Yeah. That is such an insane question. I cannot get over how insane that question is. People are going to want to talk to you about their, like, what are you talking about, dude? Like, that is a terrible question. The only reaction to this should be, wow, what a dumb, weird question to ask. That's bizarre. You're going to ask a woman who's had a stalker. And you're right. I came across that when I was doing the court record search. I saw that she had a a stalker then it you know got resolved via the courts hopefully to ask a woman who's had a stalker and had to deal with it with the legal system and has four kids hey what's the best way for them to talk to you about this deeply because it's just not I know I already said it but I guess these people don't realize that it's a many to one fucking database relationship here like you can't function in the world if on this massive scale something that's popular with hundreds of millions of people potentially want to all talk to you about it. And it's their deepest, darkest thing about abuse. Like you can't do that. That's not, it's not sustainable. No one could do that, not even a therapist could fucking handle that. Like it's an insane question. And what she did, as you point out, is try to signal her. And that's a fine saying question with humor. This one was a little awkward. Like I didn't, I think the transition to the humor was a little bit of a golf. Yeah, it was, but like, she's on the spot. She's probably exhausted from doing this very shit all day.

0:41:39 Lydia: Deflect and kind of help transform the question into what he should have asked, which is if there are women out there who see this and this resonates with them in this way, do you have recommendations for where they can reach out for help? That's the question. Not about like if someone sees you on the street and comes up to you, how can you help? Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She'd need a work job, that joke kind of thing. Like, yeah.

0:43:14 Lydia: OK. But if Ryan Reynolds said those exact same words, if he said that, do you think like the delivery from a man would be like, oh, it's he's joking. Like, it'S clear he's choking. Yeah.

0:43:19 Thomas: 100%. Yeah, absolutely. Yep. 100 % brings

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0:43:30 Thomas: Me to the next section, which dear God, maybe this is another part because we've already gone on long. So maybe this is part two. But before that, now we need to talk. I got to play this video of how Kirstie Fla talks about that interview. After this interview went viral, obviously, because that was her goal and deceptively editing it and posting it and it's a pile on.

0:43:52 Thomas: Now Kirstcie Fla wants to talk about why it went viral. And this video is the real reason why my Blake Lively interview went viral, this has just about a million views,

0:43:58 Clip: Has been a really crazy week for me and I felt like I had to actually say something about it this is my dog Oscar yes yes he keeps me sane so after I posted the interview with Blake Lively that a lot of people have been watching I got so many questions from people asking why I decided to post that interview now eight years later and the reason for that is that I got contacted by another reporter who told me a story that was a little similar to this one that he had experienced and then we started talking about comparing notes about this and then I just felt like you know what it's not okay to behave like that and I think it needs to be called out and so that's the why the reason why I did that now so much later and also because it took me a while to be honest with you it took a while actually get over it it affected me for a while because it made me nervous when I was interviewing other people after that and I blame myself for it for a long time because I felt like I did or said said something wrong and that's the reason why I waited so long and I

0:44:54 Thomas: What a hero, oh sure,

0:45:04 Lydia: I'm sorry. OK. First of all, OK, that's an interesting point where she said a reporter, you know, contacted her. Again, let me point out this was August 10th when she posted that video and flaw is cited in The New York Times article that.

0:45:32 Thomas: You're going into gavel gavel mode,

0:45:33 Lydia: OK, all right. OK, but I want to say I just want to Say that she is really trying to distance herself with her comments on how she's engaging with the Blake Lively stuff. But every single day she's posting a video about Blake Litely or Ryan Reynolds. It's literally every single Day it did not used to be like that. And, man, at one point I looked at it and it was, like, 41 videos over the last month, over the last, like 30 days or something. And 40 of them are about Blake, Ryan, and Baldoni.

0:45:48 Thomas: Literally every day, I have this ritual when I'm, because I stay up really late to work, I'm just a night owl, and she seems to release her videos late at night, and so as I'm late at nighttime, maybe about to go to bed, I can just refresh her channel, channel. I'm like, oh, there's the next Blake Lively video every single day without exaggeration.

0:46:18 Lydia: Yeah, and I also think it's interesting, too, because, like the timing of releasing this eight -year -old interview, a couple months after that, in October, she released a bad interview she had with Anne Anne Hathaway from when she was doing the Les Miserables press circuit. And Kirstie Flaw had asked Hathaway to sing her response to a question. And Anne Hathaway says, well, I won't be doing that, but you're more than welcome to sing. And so, yeah, so

0:46:42 Thomas: Oh, another polite way of rejecting a super stupid fucking question.

0:46:46 Lydia: Stupid. And she posted it about how Anne Hithaway is so rude, et cetera, et zebra. And then Anne Hathaway apparently reached out and apologized.

0:46:54 Thomas: That's insane.

0:46:54 Lydia: Why didn't she post that video in August? Why was it the Blake Lively video in August. I don't know. Just some things I'm thinking about.

0:47:00 Thomas: So here's what's funny. I just asked Lydia like, Oh, maybe we should watch that Anne Hathaway interview. And then I scrolled back and I said, Oh wait a minute. She named it my worst interview idea ever. So, okay. So maybe, maybe she's a little self -aware on that one. And then, but because Anne Hathaway apologize. Now it's fine. And it wasn't her worst interview. So that's very interesting. And just to note, before she posted that Blake Lively thing, her videos got no views. I shouldn't say no. They got a couple thousand views. And she had a few from Norway, like about Norwegian something that I guess got some views. Maybe that struck a chord in Norway. But for the most part, her videos had a couple thousand views she got some good celebrity ones so some of those will get like you know tens of thousands but especially going into that Blake Lively clip she was getting not very many at all and now she posts I'm not exaggerating every single day a video about Blake Lively and now he has sponsors and now has ads and you know and uh fine that's fine but it's not not some organic thing that's happening.

0:47:12 Lydia: Yeah. And then I was like, hmm, can you change titles to YouTube videos? And so I went in way back to October when she originally posted this and it is actually titled, This Might Be My Worst Interview Ever. Yeah, Mm hmm. Mm hmm, mm hmm. Yeah. Mm -hmm.

0:48:25 Clip: Actually hadn't read up about all the other controversy that was going on with Blake Lively and her new movie, It Ends With Us, so it was kind of a coincidence I have to say that this ended up being posted right now. I also have to say thank you to everyone who contacted me and sent me beautiful messages. I'm so touched by it you have no idea how much it means to me that you've been reaching out to me sending me messages on Instagram and commenting on YouTube I

0:48:54 Thomas: Okay, that's in the video. Just make sure.

0:48:58 Clip: Think there's like over 10,000 comments on that video which is kind of crazy to me and a lot of people are calling out the behavior of these two women and I think now I understand why it has gone viral like it has I think it's not only

0:49:17 Thomas: Let's hear her expert thesis on why this has gone viral.

0:49:20 Clip: Because of Blake has gone viral like it has I think it's not only because of Blake Lively but I think because a lot of people could kind of resonate with this situation especially I've been contacted by a lot of women and I feel like a lot people have experienced something not not exactly like this, but a bit similar to it. Like experience that mean girl energy from someone, or you felt left out or bullied. Most of the time this happens when we're younger,

0:49:57 Thomas: Do you think you were in the movie? Kirstie, do you think your in the movies? In the movie. Four minute interviews and a million people do get these four minute interview slots. And they go through and do a zillion of them. It's your fucking job. You're a plumber. You know, like you're less involved than a plumber. It's four minutes. You're there to do an interview for four minutes and you're there to get a celebrity to talk for four minuets. That's it. And like all the language they're using around bullying. I think she, let's see if she goes more on this.

0:49:59 Lydia: We had four minutes together. And it's your job. You're not there to be a friend.

0:50:28 Clip: But as you can see from this video, it does happen when you're grownups too. I think it's quite interesting, you know, how most parents would tell their children, you now, if they're getting bullied or if they are bullying someone, It's always like, you go and say sorry to that boy or to that girl right now.

0:50:29 Lydia: What?

0:50:42 Thomas: What?

0:50:48 Clip: And in this situation, the opposite happened. No one came out and apologized and they probably told her, don't come out, don't react, don' t do anything, we'll take care of this for you. We'll just say that it's the journalist's fault and that you were offended by her. And then we'll just plant some other good positive stories. And I think that's the problem.

0:50:54 Thomas: What is that? Did she reply,

0:51:11 Clip: In Hollywood and many other places that people don't own up to their mistakes

0:51:12 Lydia: I have no idea.

0:51:13 Thomas: Respond to this at all? I didn't think she did.

0:51:16 Clip: Because they're afraid that it's going to backfire or that it is gonna make them look bad and I think it's time to change that and I hope this video that I posted could help people own up their mistakes and I think you know if Blake Lively would have come up out in front of this things would have been very different. Also I want to shout out to

0:51:26 Thomas: What a hero. I wonder why Anne Hathaway apologized for the thing that wasn't her fault. God damn, like an extortionist. This is absurd. Third, this is the most and here's what drives me nuts. The obvious hypocrisy. I just want everyone to imagine just I just wish we could get one of these assholes in a fucking strapped to a chair. I just wanna ask them and give them truth serum.

0:52:00 Thomas: Hey, imagine it was, I don't know, on the set of It Ends With Us. And Blake Lively said, this made me want to quit my job. I had such a hard time. I blame myself for the longest time. Now I'm coming to terms with the abuse that I've suffered. I, Blake Lively, am an abuse victim. What happened was I said, congrats on your little bump. And someone said, Congrats on your Little Bump while still smiling at me.

0:52:24 Thomas: Do you think you'd have any fucking sympathy for Blake Lively? Obviously not. It's not even worth asking. And it's this it's it's dynamic we see so often where these people, they are amoral. The only thing they want to accomplish is the shutting down of women expressing their discomfort and or anything else. They want to shut down the threat to their dominance in the hierarchy. And the way they do that is by taking on fake victim status to try to point out that the left is fake victim. Like, honestly, honestly this reminds me of when white women would tell lies about black men. I mean, honestly I think it's that same dynamic where like Kirstie Flaa's pain, quote unquote pain, is magnified times a thousand. Oh, this poor woman, this poor woman who had to do a four minute interview and felt like she was iced out. It did go well. It went fine. It actually went 100 % fine. That's the thing. It's nothing. She's such a victim and they magnify her victimhood. You know it's bullshit because on the other side, the other person is complaining about sexual harassment. They're like, yeah, shut up. Like they don't care about the victimhood really. They don't care about the women really. Don't care care about Kirstie Flaa. They care about, it suits their purpose of shutting down any threat to their dominance.

0:52:49 Lydia: Didn't go well. Yeah hmm.

0:53:45 Thomas: It's so infuriating. All right. Well, I didn't get through half my thoughts, but next time on Where There's Woke, we have to go through the difference of what happens to women in this situation and what happensto men. It is jaw dropping and eye opening. So we'll do that next time.

0:53:47 Lydia: Yeah that's a

0:54:20 Thomas: I'm realizing this is going to be me like mansplaining a bunch of feminism stuff I've been thinking about, but it's just because like I've been obsessed with it and it's all I can't stop thinking about. So please feel free to give me your thoughts or anything like that.

0:54:25 Lydia: Great hey it's okay this is a safe space yeah

0:54:32 Thomas: But it's just like, I can't stop. Finally, a safe space for men. I just can't stop thinking about it.