WTW55: The Best Trump Verdict Meltdowns

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0:00:03 Clip: What's so scary about the woke mob, how often you just don't see them coming.

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0:00:41 Thomas: Hello, and welcome to Where There's Woke. I'm Thomas. That's Lydia. How you doing?

0:00:46 Lydia: I am doing, I don't know, I am doing pretty well. I am happy. Then happier than I've been in a while. Because something big happened.

0:00:56 Thomas: Fourth kid. No, just kidding. No, it's an opening arguments crossover. How's it going? Matt Cameron, real live attorney.

0:01:04 Matt: Happy to be with you on Where's There's There's Woke. What a great time to be talking about, well, whatever we're going to talk about, but I assume it's about Trump.

0:01:10 Lydia: We it sure is.

0:01:13 Thomas: It know, sometimes we cross the streams and the freakout over Trump being convicted. Convicted just say there was a disturbance in the force in the in the right wing bullshit sphere and the ripples were felt everywhere go

0:01:26 Matt: It's incredible. Started bookmarking things on Twitter for hours the other night. Just like, so much great material. If we were just to want to do like a four -hour bonus episode of OA where we just get into of this stuff.

0:01:37 Thomas: We do yeah we will someday first

0:01:40 Matt: I mean, just people who call themselves lawyers, the things they're saying, it's incredible.

0:01:45 Lydia: Man. Well, before we get into any of of that conversation. Matt, I wanted to invite you to subject you to Trump talking about what happened with the verdict. And, you know, folks who follow the news or listen to OA, you guys did a kind of live reaction episode. Trump was found guilty on all 34 counts of falsifying business records, which, duh.

0:02:12 Lydia: But still, you know, a big deal that this actually is happening, right? And as Thomas mentioned, the reaction from the right is absolutely incredible. Have some things from our usual suspects. But before we get into that, I wanted to kind of focus on the man himself because his reaction was also incredible. He delivered the day after about a 33, 34 -minute speech.

0:02:12 Thomas: Time hearing about this yeah

0:02:38 Lydia: Not prepped, really, at all. Just winging it as he does.

0:02:42 Thomas: Contrast to his normally erudite and well -researched speeches this one seemed uh more off the cuff hey

0:02:50 Lydia: Well, so why don't we just head on over because we got a few clips we're going to play from this freaking guy and

0:02:57 Thomas: I don't love listening to trump but when he's been convicted of 34 accounts this is something that lydia was like this is another one of those ones where we we're spoiler -free household and lydia's like oh my god I can't wait for you to see this yeah

0:03:09 Lydia: I mean honestly there's so so much gold in most of the speech, but we can't sit here for 34 minutes. No, no. We're going to do some selections.

0:03:17 Matt: Haven't heard any of this. I'm very excited.

0:03:19 Lydia: You haven't heard any? Oh, my God.

0:03:19 Thomas: Me neither can't weight oh

0:03:21 Lydia: All right. Start from the beginning.

0:03:21 Matt: Not a minute.

0:03:22 Lydia: Just kidding.

0:03:21 Thomas: This is great yeah

0:03:23 Matt: Let's do it.

0:03:23 Thomas: What

0:03:24 Clip: We just went through one of many experiences where we had a conflicted judge highly conflicted there's never been a more conflicted Judge now I'm under a gag order which nobody's ever been under no presidential candidates ever been under a gag order before.

0:03:33 Thomas: Highly yeah

0:03:38 Matt: Say it, say it, for

0:03:41 Clip: I'm under a nasty gag order where I've had to pay thousands of dollars in penalties and fines and was threatened with jail. Think of it, I'm the leading candidate.

0:03:44 Matt: Things I did.

0:03:55 Clip: I'm leading Biden by a lot and I'm leaving the Republicans to the point where that's over.

0:03:49 Thomas: Not anymore

0:04:02 Clip: So I'm a leading person for president and I am under a a gag order by a man that can't put two sentences together, given

0:03:59 Thomas: No that's that's true I'll give him that he gagged me god come on do it that's I that's more like

0:04:11 Clip: By a court, and they are in total conjunction

0:04:12 Thomas: You know how they had like they wanted to build that wall like back in the day they always wanted to hear the tagline I'm getting to the point where I actually unironically please say he gagmed me it's the best thing you've ever said it's my favorite thing we're

0:04:26 Matt: The way that both of my fists were quenched waiting for it. I was so excited. But

0:04:31 Thomas: We gotta make t -shirts with that on there and uh it yanked me we that hasn't gotta been played on this show yeah so we'll make sure to put that in for people to hear you know the hits on this Show as well but sorry

0:04:35 Lydia: No context. Yeah. Yeah, nasty gag.

0:04:36 Matt: Well now it's a nasty gag oh

0:04:49 Lydia: Oh,

0:04:57 Clip: The White House and the DOJ, just so you understand. This is all done by Biden and his people, maybe his people more importantly. I don't know if Biden knows too much about it, because I don' t know if he knows about anything, but he' s nevertheless the President, so we have have to use his name and this is done by Washington and nobody's ever seen anything like it so we have a judge who's highly conflicted you know what the confliction is nobody nobody wants to write about it and I'm not allowed to talk about it if I do he said I get put in jail so we'll play that game a little bit longer we won't talk about but you're allowed to talk about and I hope you do because there's never been anybody so conflicted as this as

0:05:24 Thomas: Yes I do what

0:05:33 Matt: So good we're

0:05:33 Thomas: What? What is it? Oh man. He's not going to tell us. Okay. Well, he's, he'S a law abiding man.

0:05:43 Clip: Far as the trial itself, it was very unfair. We weren't allowed to use our election expert under any circumstances.

0:05:53 Thomas: Oh man, that's one.

0:05:55 Lydia: Lie.

0:05:55 Clip: You saw what happened to some of the witnesses that were on our side. They were literally crucified by this man who looks like an angel, but he's really a devil.

0:05:56 Matt: Not allowed to didn't

0:06:06 Clip: He looks so nice and soft. People say, oh he seems like such a nice man. No, unless you saw him in action and you saw that with a certain witness that went through hell and when we wanted to do things he wouldn't let him he wouldn t let us do those things but when the government wanted something they got everything they got everything they wanted it's

0:06:01 Thomas: Literally. Oh

0:06:05 Matt: See that coming wow

0:06:18 Lydia: They He's talking about Costello. Yeah all right. Right.

0:06:21 Thomas: Man!

0:06:23 Matt: Yeah there's so much good stuff in there yeah so

0:06:30 Lydia: So, I mean, debunk mode on, right? Like false, false, false. Oh, God. Yeah. You consider Marshawn a

0:06:44 Matt: Apparently his skin is smooth is that what what he was saying? He's a smooth guy. Did he mean literally?

0:06:49 Lydia: Yeah, I don't know.

0:06:51 Matt: Can't debunk that one way or another, but, uh, a walk by. Yeah. We started off, I think he was talking about Matthew Colangelo, which is their favorite, uh. Conspiracy of the day here about, so Matthew Colangelo was a DOJ prosecutor, But he was also for a very long time, Manhattan DA. And then he came back to work at the DA's office after DOJ. And they just because of this connection, and literally I've I've seen tweets for people like circling him in the background. There it is. There's the there's the Biden guy installed to do this, you know, like Biden, like sent an envoy to make sure that this happened. That's Right. That's what he's starting that that piece we just played talking about. Out oh

0:06:54 Thomas: Well, we'll get someone to try to feel him. Is that false? Why do

0:07:28 Matt: Yeah I just I thought it spoke for itself but yeah no uh matthew colangelo is his own man and as far as I can tell was not installed there by the biden administration and obviously I don't think I need I mean there's obviously a woke audience is at least as smart as the oa audience I'm sure and I don't need to tell you that the federal government had nothing to do with this prosecution whatsoever at all um know matt gates was the other day just maybe yesterday trying to get garland to admit or to acknowledge like communications between them he wants you you know, he's trying to order everything, but whatever, you it's not happening nothing there, yeah

0:07:56 Thomas: You even need that I because like new york is corrupt too right isn't new yorg the blue democrat state of whatever I don't know why you'd even need this alleged uh cooperation yeah

0:08:03 Lydia: Need to bother, right.

0:08:02 Matt: And they're pretty good at prosecuting people and putting them in jail, as far as I know they don't need DOJ support to do that, but ah

0:08:10 Lydia: Complaining about paying thousands of dollars like it matters to him. So obnoxious. Yeah.

0:08:17 Matt: $9000 just for things I said and did

0:08:19 Lydia: You violated a court order like that. That's what happens. Also, it's pennies for you. So shut up.

0:08:27 Matt: The fines of course uh next to the literal crucifixion that has also been going on apparently the streets of manhattan are bloody with crucifixions I

0:08:32 Thomas: Wow I didn't I missed that yeah the um one that I I can't hope we to need do a law debunk of sometime is the fec one or whatever they wouldn't let that guy testify um is kind of real right oh

0:08:48 Lydia: I think was they going to limit the testimony, right?

0:08:53 Matt: Right still a defense expert who could have been called but they essentially wanted him to testify about the law you know in a way that the judge has to do you know to give them the law um I think that there's a we'll get into it but it's kind of dispute about you know how much of it was expert testimony and how much it would infringe on the you know the judge's ability to charge the jury and all that but you know again it's their witness they still could have put them on with the limits and were not on reasonable limits but that's just me I guess yeah

0:09:18 Thomas: Well you're one of them so

0:09:20 Matt: That's right well

0:09:21 Lydia: And would you characterize the trial as the state getting everything that they wanted from this and Trump's team getting nothing that they wanted

0:09:32 Matt: In the broader sense I guess so they got 34 counts so that's that's what they wanted yeah no um mean it was like any other trial and I haven't finished reading the transcript so I don't know exactly how it ends uh I will say that it seems like yeah from from the top line I've seen it looks pretty good but uh it's like any Other Trial though where this give and take and the prosecution gets something and the defense doesn't get something. And the prosecution was asking for all kinds of things that they didn't get in. And then the defense wanted to do things like argue that he was immune because he was president when he was doing some of this stuff, you know, that, or the evidence couldn't come in. It was just, you Know, there were some wild arguments on both sides, but

0:09:33 Thomas: Results wise sure but that's not what he's talking about yeah uh oh oh you're gonna love how it ends sorry no spoilers

0:10:08 Matt: I wouldn't say in my review of this, that anything, all that unusual trial wise has happened in this case, but

0:10:14 Lydia: He also goes on to talk about why he didn't testify and that he wanted to testify so we're going to skip ahead a little bit to

0:10:22 Clip: Even a machete being wielded in a store in a place where they're eating and he's going rampant and Bragg is down watching a trial on what they call crimes crimes they're falsifying business records that sounds so bad to me it sounds very bad you know it's only a misdemeanor but to me it's sound so bad when they say falsifying business that's a bad thing for me I've never had that before I'm falsifying you know what falsifying Business Records is in the first degree they say a falsifying business record. Sounds so good, right? It means that legal expense, I paid a lawyer, totally legal. I paid the lawyer a legal expense. And a bookkeeper, without any knowledge from me, correctly marked it down in the books. A very professional woman, highly respected, she testified, marked it out in the book as a legal expenses. So a legal expence, paid a lawyer is a legal expense in the

0:10:26 Lydia: He's going off about mcdonald's in times square

0:10:27 Matt: What?

0:10:37 Lydia: Like

0:11:26 Clip: Books. It's not sheetrock construction or any other thing. It is a LEGAL expense.

0:11:29 Thomas: Sheetrock what the fuck is

0:11:35 Clip: Think of that. This is what the falsification of business records were. And I said, what else are you going to call it? What else are going to call it. Now I would have testified. I wanted to testify. The theory is you never testify Because as soon as you testify, anybody, if it were George Washington, don't testify because he'll get you on something that you said slightly wrong and then they sue you for perjury. But I didn't care about that. I wanted to. But the judge allowed them to go into everything that I was ever involved in, not this case, everything that was ever I involved in which is a first. In other words, you could go into every single thing that I ever did. Was he a bad boy here? Was he bad boy there?

0:11:35 Thomas: That like that's one of his other line items yeah

0:11:38 Lydia: Categories yeah false

0:12:17 Matt: I only have one lifetime time here, man. We can't do that.

0:12:18 Clip: And my lawyer said, what do you need to go through? All you wanted to do is testify simply on this case, because I would have loved to have testified. To this day, I would've liked to have testified. But you would've been, you would have said something out of whack, like it was a beautiful sunny day and it was actually raining out.

0:12:34 Clip: And I very much appreciate the big crowd of people outside. That's incredible what's happening. The level of support has been incredible. So the whole thing is legal expense was marked down as legal expense. Think of it. This is my this is the crime that I committed that I'm supposed to go to jail for 187 years for when you have violent crime all over this city at levels that nobody's ever seen before, where

0:12:34 Lydia: There you go yeah

0:13:03 Thomas: And they don't prosecute any of those criminals yeah

0:13:06 Matt: Yeah, no, this prosecutor's office only prosecutes one crime at a time, actually. It's a weird tradition that they have.

0:13:12 Lydia: Right they only

0:13:13 Thomas: They're like ah we used it up we used up our crime on this so I

0:13:14 Matt: So all of our prosecutors are busy. Yeah?

0:13:18 Lydia: 187 years wow he's gonna go away for a long long time I

0:13:21 Thomas: That's the multiply all the 30 that's not even the right number right for that but

0:13:23 Lydia: Know yeah

0:13:25 Matt: Is how long it would take to hold a trial where you review everything he's ever done wrong, though, I'm pretty sure. If you wanted full due process on every Trump crime, I think it would be about 187 years.

0:13:30 Thomas: I love that he has to he has to say that while simultaneously pretending he hasn't done anything wrong well they would have gotten to go into everything everything I've ever uh everything I would ever why would that be a problem why would would that be a problem at all soros

0:13:41 Lydia: He was yeah

0:13:50 Matt: So let's talk about about the retainer thing for a minute, because this very funny, obviously. I mean, we already know that this was not a retainer, that there were no legal services performed. But we also know that because Trump told us that, and us that a few years ago. There's a tweet, because there's always a tweet. And I just pulled it up while he was talking, because I remembered this tweet so well. No sense to me, but this is his official statement about it. Mr. Cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign from which he entered into through reimbursement a private contract between two parties known as an nda and it goes on from there but he's acknowledging that the 130 000 was well he says retainer but then he says it was used only to pay off stormy daniels so he's cut it in writing already and then giuliani went on and said even some more about how he knew all about it and you know so yeah and for what it's worth I know it's not worth catching these people and you Know these things but just so you know there's a public public statement to the opposite out there already from 2018.

0:14:38 Lydia: So crazy of

0:14:47 Matt: Because of course there is.

0:14:48 Lydia: Course there is exactly all of these things that he's saying now he you know said uh back years ago now at this point and like that's a perfect example of that like it's just I think one of the biggest things that I've learned from watching all of the reactions is, one, the rhetoric, and we'll talk about that later, but the is just all going to be the same. And they have specific talking points like they always do. And they're organizing around a specific few. And that people will just take whatever is being said at them in that moment as the truth and move forward, even when it's the same people told them something else like three years ago. They just don't have that long term memory or they actively are ignoring it or something is going on. But it's just I don't know. It's pretty scary how quickly people flip and just kind of move on to the next reality that Trump and the right have decided to create in the moment, even when it's completely opposite the reality that they were speaking about a couple of years prior.

0:15:57 Matt: That's really it. Because fascism, which again is, I think we can agree the MAGA movement is a proto -fascist, if not full -on fascist movement at this point, requires a relationship with truth. Like that's fundamentally what fascism is, I think. I'm not a scholar, but if you can make your own reality, make your own truth, then you can do anything else you want. And we've seen that, of course, over and over again with Trump. But this is, the things I'm seeing online and the way that like pretty mainstream right -wing people are talking about this, the way that elected representatives are talking about this is just so far from any kind of reality it's distressing honestly yeah

0:16:27 Lydia: Tell you a couple of those tweets that I've been seeing. Like you're saying, the elected representatives, we have, folks you that are vying for the vice presidency, right? So this is an opportunity for them to stand up and prove that they're the right pick for VP, essentially. J.D. Vance tweeted out, this decision is a disgrace to the rule of law and our Constitution. Dems invented a felony to get Trump with the help of a Soros -funded prosecutor and a Biden donor judge who rigged the entire case to get this outcome. This isn't justice. It's election interference.

0:17:04 Matt: Just get some anti -semitism there too

0:17:04 Thomas: Funded prosecutor yeah how do you I don't even know what that would be like does would a private person fund a prosecutor that's I guess what I'm asking to his campaign or something or I

0:17:12 Lydia: Mean, think that's part of it. But like even and I say even Fox News's landing page for their website, the very first picture is a picture of George Soros's son. The caption says, far left Soros' son directs Democrats on how they should refer to Trump after historic conviction. So this is part of the rhetoric. It's invoking Soros because everyone's

0:17:37 Thomas: Didn't even Know who this was or anything about him yeah

0:17:40 Lydia: An anti -Semite. Yeah, it's like they are finding ways because Because George Soros is the big baddie, I guess, for the right. So they're finding ways to tie him in to this. It's crazy.

0:17:55 Matt: Is the thing that the son was encouraging everyone to call him it was that I convicted felon by chance

0:17:59 Lydia: Yes. Exactly it.

0:18:01 Thomas: And the thing is we didn't have that idea until the george soros's son told us and incepted it into our brains and then we're like oh man we could call him a convicted felon

0:18:08 Lydia: Isn't that crazy? Britt, everybody's favorite kitchen representative, said today is a sad and shameful day. Democrats just set the dangerous, destructive precedent of the party in power weaponizing prosecutorial powers against their political adversary. This is a hallmark of a banana republic, not a constitutional republic. Make no mistake, Americans won't tolerate a two -tiered system of justice, and the real verdict will come on November 5th. Pretty sure we've had a a two tiered system of justice. Ask any person of color. And it's kind of been that way already. So that's kindof an interesting thing. Banana Republic has been a big talking point for everybody on the right as well.

0:18:54 Thomas: Yeah um I don't know again I think the central problem here is that this was the state of new york it has nothing the fuck to do with biden or the democrats it's just nothing it's just any any prosecution of trump definitionally to them is just biden and it's that's just such a I don't know what it's like that's the thing that's so hard about all of this is like I don't know what it's like to just like have like custard in your brain I don't know LIKE WHAT how I who can't it's you know when you're trying to solve a problem or think about you ideas or different movements and you try to think about like well okay what are the ideas that go into this how are these people thinking how they like I know how to evaluate or relate to people who just the things they care about have nothing to do with reality like how it's just as long as they say it in a really you manner like this is Biden prosecuting me, then they're like, oh, guess that's what it is. How do you do about that? Such an unsolvable problem. Like, I don't know. I know how I feel when I'm evaluating claims. I try to look stuff up and see who has said what and where the experts

0:20:00 Matt: Nerd.

0:20:00 Thomas: Lie. Yeah, it's like I how do you DO this? I DON'T get what are we supposed to do? It's impossible.

0:20:01 Matt: What are you doing? Yeah.

0:20:07 Thomas: None of this is related to any facts well

0:20:08 Matt: It's Jim

0:20:07 Lydia: Well, it's not. And so there's actually going to be hearing on June 13th in Congress, the select subcommittee On the weaponization of the federal government. Jim Jordan is the chair of that. And he has now called for Colangelo and Bragg to appear so they can testify about the unprecedented political prosecution of President Trump. So we'll be having that in about a week. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

0:20:19 Matt: Jordan. Sure.

0:20:34 Thomas: If it goes as well as the fauci one did we'll see you almost don't mind these congressional thingies I mean again I it's it's so hard to know if and what matters if anything but like the congressional things that on one hand they do get to point to their little sound bites or they get to pointing to the fact that like it happened and that somehow legitimizes their conspiracy theories but on the other hand what happens is they go and they ask Fauci, like, how many millions did you receive from Big Pharma? He's like, zero dollars.

0:21:04 Thomas: What? Zero dollars? Well, I mean, I got like a hundred dollars in 1989. And they're like, okay. Like, you know, like I don't, I don't mind it because it's all bullshit, but, but also I'm sure no matter what it is, they can twist it into the results that they think they got. I

0:21:19 Matt: Tremendous waste of Albin Bragg's time, but it's like the election lawsuits, right? As soon as they get to court and they collide with actual judicial process and things being under oath, it all falls apart. And this I'm sure will be a circus. That's what it's for. But who I've probably watched some of it.

0:21:35 Lydia: Marjorie Taylor Greene's on that committee as well. When the verdict came out, she tweeted an upside down flag. So did the Heritage Foundation. They also tweeted an upside -down flag. I have not seen anyone report back from Alito's house. I wish that there was somehow a drone flag nearby.

0:21:53 Thomas: Think she's she's going to be on pretty good flag behavior for at least a couple of weeks.

0:21:56 Lydia: I don't know. I feel like maybe what if there's like a little mini one that she puts in the window like a decal and she just like flips it upside down just

0:22:04 Thomas: Yeah. I mean, really these people can't help themselves and there are no consequences for anything they do. So who knows? But, uh, feel like she's, she's gonna, she's on flag probation right now. I think we'll see.

0:22:15 Lydia: But there's not just you know folks that are leaders within the united states concerned about this the twitter account and wokeness said world leaders express horror at the trump verdict in manhattan do you want to guess which world leaders they are no

0:22:30 Thomas: I missed that. Putin and that guy from the Philippines.

0:22:35 Matt: Turkey. All the best ones.

0:22:36 Lydia: Philippines no so uh Deputy PM Matteo Salvini, and he says solidarity and support for Trump, victim of judicial harassment and a process of political nature.

0:22:48 Thomas: Fascist to fascist. We've all been there, man.

0:22:50 Lydia: Yeah. In Italy, we are sadly familiar with weaponization of justice by the left. Hungarian PM, Viktor Orban, let the people make their verdict this November. Keep fighting, Mr. President.

0:22:58 Matt: Of course.

0:22:59 Thomas: Yeah barrage

0:23:06 Lydia: U.K., the verdict is a disgrace. And then from the Kremlin, not Putin, but the spokesman for the Kremlin, Dmitry Peskov, there is simply the elimination, in effect, of political rivals by all possible means, legal and illegal. Legal.

0:23:23 Thomas: That was just him talking about what's happening in russia right now so I was like is this about trump's trial trump's child what the fuck are you talking about I'm just saying what we just did like we proudly eliminated all rivals yeah

0:23:27 Lydia: Like, what? What we do. As

0:23:36 Matt: Got international experts on New York Penal Law and 175. I mean, they've really done their research. It's very impressive that they understand this law. Wow.

0:23:42 Lydia: I know. They know.

0:23:42 Thomas: Makes you feel dumb matt for going to law school you idiot why did you waste your time with that yeah

0:23:48 Matt: That's right. I could just be Victor Irvine.

0:23:51 Lydia: I want to go to 708 because. OK, great. Trump is going to to tell us, you this all matters and

0:23:54 Thomas: Already there might

0:24:01 Clip: Involved with that. I could go through the books of any business person in this city and I could find things that in theory, I guess, let's indict him, let'S destroy his life. But I'm out there and I don't mind being out there because I'm doing something for this country and I'm something for our Constitution.

0:24:13 Thomas: Not be be entirely wrong but and that is having

0:24:20 Clip: It's very important. Far beyond me.

0:24:21 Thomas: Sex with porn stars while my wife is

0:24:23 Clip: And this can't be allowed to happen to other presidents.

0:24:23 Thomas: Pregnant I did that for us experts

0:24:26 Clip: It should never be allowed happen in the future. But this is far beyond me, this is bigger than Trump. This is bigger than me, this is bigger than my presidency. And the people understand it because I just see a poll just came out, the Daily Mail, that was the first one came out. It was done last night right after the verdict where I'm up six points. Six points from what we already were. We were leading fairly substantially. We're up six points in the Daily mail poll.

0:24:46 Thomas: On american politics yeah

0:24:56 Matt: Among British people?

0:24:57 Clip: Now maybe other polls come out and says something differently, but a lot of people have predicted it because the public understands and they understand what's what's going on this is a scam there's a rigged trial it shouldn't have been in that venue we shouldn't had that judge he should have allowed allowed us to have an election expert we had the best expert most respected expert head of the Federal Elections Commission he was all set to testify he was that waiting for two days and when it was his turn Bragg's people protested and the judge knocked him out, said you can't testify. He actually said you cannot testify

0:24:58 Thomas: Knocked him out

0:25:36 Clip: For anything having to do with the trial. You can say what the federal elections is. Well that doesn't help, everybody knows that, but you can testify.

0:25:37 Matt: Knocked him out.

0:25:46 Clip: So essentially he wasn't able to testify, other people weren't able testify, but with these people they were able to use people people salacious. By the way, and nothing ever happened. There was no anything. Nothing ever happened and they know it.

0:26:03 Lydia: All right. Nothing makes sense.

0:26:04 Clip: But they were as salacious as they could be and it had nothing to do with the case, but it had to do mit politics.

0:26:03 Thomas: There's no anything just that's my statement that's That's my defense, Matt. Next time

0:26:12 Clip: And do you notice the timing?

0:26:11 Matt: Nothing ever happened. Yeah.

0:26:12 Thomas: I'm in trouble.

0:26:14 Clip: The timing was perfect. This case was dead. It was dropped by every agency, every governmental It was dropped by the highly respected southern district. They said, no, there's no case here. It was drop by federal election. And that's what it's about. This is about a federal election, not a state election. You're not even allowed to look at it. They took the state and the city and they went into a federal election. They're not allowed. The people from federal election southern district and Washington dropped the case. Everybody dropped the case. There was no case. Cy Vance dropped the case. And when Bragg came in,

0:26:21 Thomas: Well, I kind of doubt that. Every one of them. Oh, it didn't happen. There's no anything.

0:26:52 Clip: He said, this is the most ridiculous case I've ever seen. And who would have a certain person, again, gag order, who would have a person like this ever testify? He said, this is essentially one of the worst people I've seen ever to testify. He said the craziest case I have ever seen, this was Bragg. Then when I announced I was running for president, a long time later, they decided to revive this case. And they got a judge, Judge Marchand, who was responsible for another case that was also brought. It destroyed the life of a very good man, by the way. Destroyed

0:26:59 Lydia: He's talking about Cohen.

0:27:16 Thomas: Dude, we all knew you were running for president. He gagged me. That's all I want to hear. Come on, do the line.

0:27:18 Lydia: Yeah.

0:27:34 Thomas: What?

0:27:34 Clip: The life of a very good men who went to prison once and then they just put him in prison again because they said he lied. He

0:27:35 Lydia: Weisselberg. Yeah, no,

0:27:35 Thomas: Weisselberg? Yeah. How

0:27:44 Matt: So the to fantasy, say the fantasy I just had while I was listening to that is if he had on the last day of trial just shoved Todd Blanche aside and just been like, I got this. I'm doing the closing. That would have been the closing It would have done so good. But no, we

0:27:57 Thomas: I mean, I he couldn't have been found any more guilty. So, trial -wise, unless they added a few counts just from his testimony, but it would have been fun.

0:28:06 Matt: Yeah, just, yeah, I mean, he's so mad that they didn't get to bring in an election law expert to say that he didn't do it, which is what they were trying to do.

0:28:14 Lydia: My god mean, I guess his piece there is this thread of was a non -case, you know like these different entities dropped it and they didn't take it, so why now all of a a sudden. And what actually was that process like?

0:28:27 Thomas: That's somewhat true, right?

0:28:30 Matt: None of those entities that I heard that he named were state enemies that would have the power to prosecute New York Penal Law 175. So when he says this case, that's not true. He's just saying the Mueller investigation didn't think it was important enough because, of course, they didn't. The FEC did sign some kind of deal with Michael at least. As well. We learned with David Pecker. The FEC got in some trouble with him. Him. So the FEC certainly thought there was something going around the edges here. You when he's talking, I guess as a lawyer, when I hear this case, I think these charges in this court, that's what he means by this case. And this case could only have been brought by this DA's office. So, yeah,

0:29:03 Lydia: But he's insistent that it is a case regarding the election and the election was a federal election. So why is the state even bringing it?

0:29:12 Thomas: Yeah. And I love the idea that every entity, every governmental, everything, like Department of the Interior, the, you military.

0:29:17 Matt: Pest control.

0:29:20 Thomas: Yeah. They all looked at it in order. They're like, why are we all looking at this? I don't know we all have to go through this and every one of them was like this is not a case until weirdly enough they got to the actual jurisdiction which would prosecute which is the only place you could actually prosecute this case and they're like well actually we disagree with all of you guys oh

0:29:41 Matt: That federal thing, they've been kicking that around a lot. And Vivek Ramaswamy actually had an incredible legal theory. I don't know if it's worth breaking down here, but it's certainly at some point I want to talk about why this could be a federal issue and why the Supreme Court should take it. But at the end of the day, as I think listeners may know, under this statute, Bragg only had to prove that Trump falsified these records with the intent to commit another crime. Not that he actually committed another crime, but that some other crime was out there.

0:30:04 Matt: And there were some options in this case. And one of the options was a violation of federal election law. So that's perfectly legit. It's not unusual in any way. But they're acting like this is just an absolutely insane abrogation of anything resembling justice, just miscarriage of justice all around. Because they're actually reading the law the way it was written. That's, I guess, what they're mad at the judge for.

0:30:26 Lydia: Well, since you brought him up, why don't we talk about Vivek for a second? His initial tweet was the only thing more third world than the New York courtroom was the sham sham trial that played out inside. Second -rate judge, third -rate prosecutors, fourth -rate star witness. The judge specifically instructed the jury that they didn't have to agree on the crime to convict. Shameful. And he tweeted that kind of immediately and then posted a video that I just sent over to you, if you want to play it, because he was flying to Italy while he tweeted. And once Once he landed, he he sent a video for the Internet.

0:30:30 Matt: Oh, God.

0:31:05 Thomas: Meet with some of the fascists to get notes on them we're going to to the source oh

0:31:10 Clip: I just got to Italy. I was traveling here while the Trump verdict came down. And I have to say that when people here ask me, what the heck is going on in your country? I am ashamed. If this were happening in another country, and we in the United States heard about a party in power that was using prosecutorial force to bring fake charges against a leading opponent in the middle of an election, we would call that the stuff of a banana republic. And yet now that's us. This is the stuff of how nations decline. Speaking of Italy, this is the kind of thing you would see in the fall of the ancient Roman Empire. Well, now it's happening right in our own homeland. Sometimes you go abroad and you see the way that you're viewed. It reminds you of how much our own nation has rotted at its core. The time for change is now.

0:31:42 Lydia: It's always about ancient Rome.

0:31:54 Clip: 2024 is a 1776 moment. I am proud to be an American, but it doesn't feel that way now when the rest of the world looks down upon the kangaroo courts that send our own political leaders to prison. Enough of it. I don't care if you're on the left or right. This is a danger to the future of our country. And I'm asking you to step up this year so we can actually get this right. We have a country to save. And if we don't get this right in the next seven months, I think it's quite possible we don'T have a county left.

0:31:55 Thomas: Became

0:32:22 Lydia: So dramatic.

0:32:23 Matt: That, my friends, is the day that Vivek Ramaswamy became vice president. Yeah, what a statement.

0:32:26 Thomas: President oh man no I don't think he will yeah

0:32:32 Matt: No, no, he's...

0:32:32 Lydia: This like third world stuff. And God. And of course, having to bring up ancient Rome like it's such a classic move.

0:32:39 Thomas: They're so obsessed with ancient rome I love it it's the best they all they all whatever their current issue is is why rome fell like that day that it fell remember how it fell like on rome fall day and it was because of an indictment against uh caesar for falsifying business records when that was having sex with a porn star. You know, it's the same textbook. I can't believe we didn't see that before.

0:32:41 Lydia: They really are. Mm hmm.

0:33:04 Matt: Just man. Yeah.

0:33:06 Thomas: Like, isn't that wildly coincidental?

0:33:09 Matt: I also wanted to make the point about Banana Republics very quickly. Guatemala is one of original banana republics, and they have successfully prosecuted a president for bribery, one of their classic corruption things. And I'm sure if you go down the list, I mean, there's any number of other countries that we think we're better than. And by the way, Guatemala is some of the coolest countries on earth and some of my favorite people. I'm I'm sure you can find other examples of legitimate prosecutions of former presidents. I think that's actually a sign of a functioning, healthy democracy. And it's also weird and racist to keep using this banana republic thing.

0:33:39 Lydia: No, it really, really is. And I see it everywhere. Like I see everyone using this, you know, this third world conversation, too. That's something that Tucker Carlson tweeted about. He said, import the third world, become the third world. That's what we just saw. This won't stop Trump. He'll win the election if he's not killed first. But it does mark the end of the fairest justice system the world. Anyone who defends this verdict is a danger to you and your family.

0:34:07 Lydia: This language that's being used, it's driving, I think, a concern that I have. Like, obviously, this is hilarious, but it's also providing this opportunity for potential for violence. And that is pretty concerning to me. There have been some really horrific things on right wing websites that are hopefully being investigated by the FBI. Like people calling like kill every Democrat, to go out and shoot any liberal you see. Like it's getting really kind of scary in some of those places. And granted, I mean, a lot of those people could be saying that from their mom's basement kind of thing. Right. But there is no way to know how many people truly would act on something like that. So the rhetoric that we're seeing from the right wing is fueling that rage. And, you know, like people like Matt Walsh that just have this like visual opportunity, I guess, for him where he says, I don't want to hear elected Republicans complaining. I don't need to see their tweets and statements condemning the verdict. The only thing I want to hear from these people is which Democrats they will have arrested. Don't tell us that you're sad about the verdict. We don't give a shit about your feelings. We want to see corrupt Democrats frog -marched on camera in handcuffs. If you won't do that, then shut up. That's crazy.

0:34:08 Thomas: Chill rhetoric.

0:35:35 Matt: Yeah. You don't dial that back once you start talking like that. You don't cool it off.

0:35:39 Thomas: That's the thing.

0:35:40 Matt: My concern with this.

0:35:40 Thomas: It's It just keeps going more and more. I don't know. Do you know any history? Because I don't. I don't know any history at all. How does any of this ever end well? Is it just I mean, I saw something the other day that really drove me nuts, which was like the only thing that will stop Trump will be if he is defeated in the election. And it's like, oh, yeah, because that totally worked in 2020. He was gone after that. Like it's over. So I don't, that's not it. That's, I mean, a minimum. Don't get me wrong. Like that's a maximum, minimum, but like I genuinely wonder if it's just that he has to die like is that the only thing like if you if I don't I'm not even talking about intentionally like is it just like he gets old enough that he's no longer he's either passes away or no longer like demagogue that he was and so then people run out of steam like I just truly don't get it how how does this end?

0:35:50 Matt: I bet. I bet, yeah. Is the problem. He's already inspired quite a lot of people, including Vivek Ramaswamy himself, to act like this. And we've got leaders around the world doing that, too.

0:36:42 Thomas: But here's the thing. Nobody else is good at it. That's, that's the one thing that gives me comfort is when he disappears, they're, it's gonna take a minute to regroup. Nobody, nobody else on the right, they've shown it. I likes, what's his name in Florida? He's like He's, yeah. He was, I mean maybe it'll be different if Trump is actually gone and they need an alternative, but actually, actually the margins are so close on these elections already I don't think any of these discount fascists have a chance thus far. I don't know, maybe someone will surprise us maybe baron you know he's tall enough

0:36:44 Matt: That's true. That's true. Yeah. No juice.

0:36:55 Lydia: DeSantis. Pudding

0:37:14 Matt: I just... My concern has always been there's going to be some young, good -looking Christian guy with a nice family who's going to rise up and start talking like this, but in a slightly more acceptable way that your mom doesn't mind as much. I feel like the model's been set. But when you're asking where this goes, I think about Hungary. I don't know if you know what's... Have you followed what's going on in Hungarian society in the last few years?

0:37:32 Thomas: Definitely but but for the audience just to remind him yeah

0:37:37 Matt: Yeah, of course. Well, because we just mentioned Viktor Orban. I was just thinking about it, you know, because Orban got a lot of play on the Soros thing. And Soros is actually from Hungary, which makes a little more sense. It's still ridiculous.

0:37:46 Thomas: I didn't even know that wow

0:37:48 Lydia: Interesting.

0:37:48 Matt: And Viktor Orban went to school, I think, in part on a Soros -funded scholarship. It. But the thing is that Hungary has become, you know, I know that we talk about the U.S. being this way, but it's become like an absolutely divided country where you have two groups of people who just do not talk to each other or know what the other group is thinking or doing. And we're on our way. But just from what I've read about it, it seems like it's, you know, way ahead. I don't know, I want to keep it lighter, I guess, today, but we are talking about fascism here.

0:38:13 Thomas: We're all fucked it's cool you don't have to pretend end

0:38:14 Lydia: Have some light things to take us out, though. Don't worry.

0:38:17 Matt: Please.

0:38:17 Lydia: We're lift the mood a little bit.

0:38:17 Matt: All right. Yeah.

0:38:19 Lydia: I wanted to actually address something that was brought up on Gavel Gavel because Liz had mentioned, Liz Skeen, that there were penis balloons. And right when I listened to that, I was like, I know who did this because of the work that we do on Where There's Woke. This is our favorite, performance artist out of New York City, Scott Labato. He's the artist that paints flags all the time and paints Trump with big muscles. And he is one of the people who like threw pizza at City Hall when they were protesting gas ovens being outlawed, but not really in New York. And so I

0:38:41 Thomas: Yeah do god oh so funny oh that was so good I want

0:38:59 Lydia: Had to I had to include his reaction to the verdict here. So we'll hear from Scott Labato now.

0:38:59 Thomas: To listen to that episode again it's so funny he's in his car you know it was so rude of us to interrupt these people's day and make them him make a video.

0:39:12 Clip: Not upset. I'm actually happy. This just proves the point of what we have to do. As I said earlier, the respect for the legal system has disappeared. The only decision that matters is November 5th.

0:39:25 Thomas: More penis balloons. A bunch of shit written on his hand. What

0:39:44 Clip: That's it, you

0:39:45 Lydia: Painting? I don't know.

0:39:44 Thomas: Was that about? Oh, it's a bunch of stuff written on His hand.

0:39:48 Lydia: Oh, yeah, no, I do. He was writing notes.

0:39:49 Clip: Need to understand that

0:39:50 Thomas: It's like his bullet points for, huh?

0:39:52 Clip: All of us on both sides are in the most historical moment in the history, that's right, in the history of this country besides our revolution in the beginning this is it and those of you on the left who I know we know that you are this is fucking bad you're gonna wake up his

0:40:23 Thomas: This is low effort, Scott. I need the

0:40:25 Clip: Polls are gonna go up and even if they don't go up again we're going against the machine the media social media the george soros's the rockefellas that put this position together worship this moment what the you think I was doing for 30 fucking years could have done a million other things for this moment in history and you fuckers better really get the fuck fired up because the only fucking decision that matters not the media on both sides nothing except you You,

0:40:37 Thomas: Rockefellers penis

0:40:37 Matt: Course.

0:40:51 Thomas: Balloons, huh? But no, I made penis balloons! I can't

0:41:15 Clip: You, your fucking heart, that's all that matters.

0:41:15 Thomas: Even follow this. Me? Oh, thank you. That's nice of you to say. Okay this is like a little inspirational speech for oh that's so

0:41:27 Clip: We're going to be okay, but it's not up to the fucking judicial system. It is not up the feds. It is up to me and the fucking people. Get it through your fucking head.

0:41:44 Matt: Al Pacino over here.

0:41:46 Clip: This is the shining moment. Shine, motherfuckers. Shine.

0:41:52 Lydia: Shine, motherfuckers.

0:41:49 Thomas: A great ass yeah

0:41:55 Lydia: I had to have that New York accent.

0:41:57 Thomas: Love that his accent yeah it turns fuckers into focus I thought it was like what's a focus is that a something hey you focus huh oh

0:41:59 Matt: So good.

0:42:06 Lydia: He's all in for Trump still, of course. He actually very quickly organized a rally last. June 2nd. So he put together a rally. Rudy Giuliani, of course, stopped by. And yeah, they had hundreds of people. Apparently, I've been trying to confirm the numbers. I've seen some pictures. There definitely are people there, but not sure exactly how many showed up. But yeah, close it out, I wanted to bring on your favorite person, hun, and their reaction to Trump. We're going to go see Glenn Beck.

0:42:20 Thomas: That focus yeah johnny yeah I love glenn beck he's such a just a throwback is

0:42:44 Lydia: Also has a great voice. Can't help it.

0:42:47 Thomas: He gonna cry will he cry oh

0:42:49 Clip: Always believed the American was defined by a can -do spirit. The people who crossed the Rockies, tamed the West, changed the world, rescued and healed.

0:42:49 Lydia: We'll see.

0:42:55 Matt: He's going to cry, isn't he?

0:42:52 Thomas: He's already starting he's gonna cry it's business records it's just fucking business records you guys are out of your fucking minds with

0:43:09 Clip: I didn't realize how much until I studied history. Real history, not the crap they teach you in school. Real history. I never really understood how stained our name is. From those in power, those who only serve through corruption and greed and sometimes out -and -out evil. But I have truly always believed, and I still do today, that the American truly believes in honor and integrity

0:43:17 Matt: Rome.

0:43:24 Thomas: Racism and slavery and it's the most fucking dramatic jesus yeah they haven't worked on this for an audition yeah

0:43:53 Lydia: Yeah. It's your next monologue.

0:43:54 Clip: And truth and justice, that that is the American way. I will tell you this. Yesterday, for those who live in the shadow of fear around the world,

0:44:07 Lydia: Yeah. He's crying. Oh,

0:44:05 Thomas: He's got the tissue now I feel like he couldn't quite get the tears going and so he used that as a prop no

0:44:13 Clip: Yesterday

0:44:12 Lydia: They came out before. No, he took his glasses off.

0:44:13 Clip: May have changed that belief

0:44:15 Thomas: He did okay okay

0:44:15 Clip: For those people, but it did not change it for me. I will not surrender to those words I will not surrender to the belief that puts me and other americans into action yesterday was a defeat but we are not done each

0:44:16 Thomas: Okay. I still respect falsified business records. We will not go into into that night. What What is it? No, I,

0:44:45 Lydia: Right. You can end it there.

0:44:47 Matt: I'm done.

0:44:47 Lydia: It's incredible.

0:44:46 Thomas: I'm so pumped. Hold on. I'm still pumped. What?

0:44:51 Lydia: That was incredible. Right. It was like the most moving soliloquy I've ever heard in my life. Yeah it's over business records. He's probably not going to go to jail at all. Like freaking so stupid. And there were so many times during this process I thought I was looking at parody accounts. I had to confirm, like, Tucker's tweet, Matt Walsh's tweet. Like, these people are being serious. It's crazy. Crazy.

0:45:16 Matt: If you told me he gave that monologue after 9 -11, I'd believe you. Like, that was...

0:45:23 Thomas: Yeah in the smoldering ruins of 9 -11 then maybe it's appropriate but the thing about glenn beck is the boy who cried wolf he does this every week he has something some bullshit where he's like crying over it and the patriotism and the whatever you can't do that that many times man like it doesn't work all

0:45:23 Lydia: Man. So in sum, the rhetoric to be on the lookout for, folks, and we experienced, I think, pretty much all of these pieces, pretty much, are going to attack the judge. They're going to talk about that the jury was liberal. They're gonna talk about the jury's involvement. They're also going to allude to election interference, Biden's involvement, it'll get overturned, invoking George Soros, America is a banana republic. This is actually good for Trump is another piece of the rhetoric that's been kind of making the rounds. And a fundraising bonanza, which honestly is true. His campaign reports that they raised $53 million in the 24 hours post-verdict. So people are rallying. They are definitely, up in a lot of ways for Trump's support. And so we just need to make sure that we are more fired up on our side and not let him get back in office, because you want to talk banana republic, that's, uh, I'm concerned post exactly

0:46:43 Matt: Is what would actually happen. Yeah. I actually just... And I checked just to follow up. 78 countries since the year 2000 have prosecuted former heads of state including all of Central America. So, you again, I think from what I know about Central American history, those are all rightful. But so if you're saying that we are resembling places in the world that actually follow through on prosecuting former leaders, then yeah, I guess so.

0:47:04 Lydia: If you commit a crime there you go and

0:47:06 Matt: That's how it goes.

0:47:07 Thomas: Right, well that was fun, hun. Uh, totally everyone having a normal one. And, uh, I can't wait to look back on all this from the gulag with you guys.

0:47:14 Lydia: Maybe share some other little things we didn't get to on facebook maybe and

0:47:21 Thomas: Upside down flags at half mast. I'm saluting and crying. Thanks so much, Matt, for taking the time. I really appreciate it.

0:47:27 Lydia: Thank you yep

0:47:28 Matt: Anytime, always fun. Smith, good to be with you.

0:47:30 Thomas: More of Matt on the Hit Podcast opening arguments, everybody. It's a good one. It's good listen. And gavel gavel. Right, Matt. Matt, thanks so much.

0:47:35 Lydia: Agreed yep

0:47:35 Matt: See you over there. Okay, thank you. Way that both of my fists were quenched waiting for it. I was so excited.

0:48:02 Clip: Is down watching a trial on what they call crimes crimes they're