WTW54: Tucker Carlson Interviews Aaron Rodgers

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0:00:03 Clip: What's so scary about the woke mob, how often you just don't see them coming.

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0:00:41 Thomas: We'd like to welcome someone we've been trying to get on where there's woke for a while But if are if there's anyone who's busy as We are it might be no illusions. How you doing Noah?

0:00:49 Lydia: -hoo!

0:00:50 Noah: Hey, great to be here, man. Glad to finally be on.

0:00:52 Thomas: It's a trick. We're talking about video games and Lydia has to sit here and listen to it. It's all a ploy. No, we were chatting about video because unfortunately our son Arlo, right, we were scheduled to record and 21... then. And minutes before we're scheduled to record, we get a call that he's throwing up at school. So I only bring it up because I think this episode is going to have to be a little shorter than we intended. We sat here and watched two fucking hours of Aaron Rodgers and Tucker Carlson. And thank

0:01:20 Noah: Two hours and 12 minutes, Thomas. Two hours and 12. Don't slick.

0:01:22 Thomas: You. Yeah, I don't want to. And 56 seconds, actually. We need to count those. Those count. Yeah, you're right. And we made poor Noah watch it as well. So we weren't going to lose out on this, but it might be a little shorter. We'll pack it in. Okay. This was interesting. Let's talk. I want to hear preliminary thoughts or like overall thoughts kind of going into it. Did you think, Noah? Do you have a lot of exposure to Aaron Rodgers' philosophy?

0:01:29 Lydia: We have

0:01:46 Noah: Well, so I'm aware of it tangentially, right? I'm told about it and then I tell people what I'm told in a lot of ways. It's actually been a really long time since I visited somebody who's this full-on in the grasp of conspiracy theories and it's really like it was a really disturbing and eye-opening moment to be reminded that yeah this is like these people can just like off shit about well you know it's very reasonable to assume that there's a demonic element to the uap phenomenon you're just like what the fuck is happening yes

0:02:10 Lydia: My God. Yeah. Yeah. Like a dark energy. UAPs. Okay. Which is mentioned in the Bible. You know, like, okay.

0:02:17 Thomas: My god so good yeah

0:02:20 Noah: What yes yeah right, right, I think he says that at one point. I just wrote, I wrote my notes here. I'm just like, okay, this is a parody of itself now, isn't it?

0:02:31 Thomas: I

0:02:32 Lydia: We're watching SNL, actually.

0:02:33 Thomas: Mean or is that any more ridiculous than the, like, it's got the head of an eagle, the right pinky of a lion, the right, like that's what they thought was like the pinnacle of I don't know cgi or something for for bible times it was like describe an animal that has one part from every animal they know and they're like fucking just that concept means something fishy is going on yeah yeah it's crazy, um, I am in exactly the same situation, Noah, in that these people are so weird and frustrating to me that I don't spend a lot of time like listening directly to them so I'm like oh yeah he's got the COVID stuff he's got the whatever nonsense I was a little bit disturbed by how normal he came across. That was what I was kind of thinking. Yeah. Yeah. Not, not in the content of

0:02:43 Lydia: Pinky. Yeah. Evil. Something's afoot. Yeah.

0:03:17 Thomas: What he's saying, but like, here's, here's what I thought. And tell me if you, you guys disagree after watching this, it's not that everyone is like Aaron Rogers, but I do think that there there's always an Aaron Rogers in any group of, well, men, I guess like, like way he is, I was surprised by how common it probably is, you What do you think?

0:03:37 Noah: Well, Well, so saying I'm not exposed to this, but, of course, I watch documentaries about it all the time. I make you watch documentaries about it now and again, right? Like, I've seen every conspiracy theory that he's talked about. I've been in a God -awful movies movie in the past. But, yeah, but watching a person, like you said, that seems otherwise just like a normal guy having a normal conversation and spouting this shit as though it's normal. I think that's a whole different level of exposure to it, right? And the scariest part of the entire conversation is where he's talking about like, oh yeah, you know, like when we're in the locker room, all the guys will gather around and they'll listen to me as though I know what I'm talking about. And I'm spouting medical advice to these people. Know, as a legend in my career. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you there, buddy.

0:04:12 Lydia: I think no, no. No, you're fine. I was just going to jump on that because I think there is a leadership component that we get from Aaron Rodgers because of being a quarterback. Right. Like he's used to being a leader in that space. He's very confident in the way he speaks. He's able to rally people around various causes, honestly, at least on the football field. And the other piece to it, too, is that he is very well trained with media. He's had to have a billion interviews.

0:04:44 Lydia: Like, he knows how to have those conversations. He knows how make various things compelling. And is very unnerving that what he is being so compelling about is so batshit crazy. And people just end up trusting him. Right. He has all those components of a trustworthy leader. And that's scary.

0:05:05 Thomas: I think that's what's scaring me here because I, as I'm trying to think of where I actually get exposed to these people in real life, because obviously, you know, I'm, I've somewhat of an introvert and don't hang out with too many people, but I'm realizing every sports team I've ever been on has one or two of these guys minimum and And every construction site I worked on in that, couple of years I did that when I was younger, like every like, what I'm starting to realize, like, I don't want to do the cliche of like, oh, we're all in a bubble and whatever, but I'm worried that like Aaron Rodgers is more commonplace than I think we care to admit. And it's the classic thing where it's like there's always that one guy who's like, yeah, the JFK thing. Yeah, the Warren report, the whatever. Ever and in the group of 10, 12 people or whatever you're like oh yeah okay cool interesting or whatever but like he comes across as so normal in this interview, I just was not, I really wasn't expecting that, like I was expecting a little bit of a, like, you, he's clearly gonna seem a little addled, he's gonna seem like he's like he's gone off the deep end, but what instead this was, and again we watched it so you definitely don't have to, poor

0:06:01 Thomas: Folks save your brains but what he was was just really calm reasonable sounding and just spouting off conspiracy theories but in a way that I worry represents far too many people in the country

0:06:02 Lydia: Don't do it.

0:06:14 Noah: And it's so convincing because of that right just because of the confidence with which it's presented they start this interview off talking about how like well you know the science turned out to be on our side that's a real common talking point right with these covid folks now is that oh yeah and and I don't know what the hell they're basing it on because I haven't gone that deep into it but right but you know nobody nobody's come out now and said like oh yeah no it turns out you know who is right was the horse paste suckers you know um But but that's how they started off. It's like, oh, you know, the science turned out to be on our side. Nobody's coming to apologize to us. Hope we can forgive them for us spreading covid to them. Start off with that. And I'm just like, I you try to remove myself from where I've been for the last 10 years, you know which is plugged into all of this crap, this conspiracy theory crap and all of these other stuff that's that sort of turned, his mind or whatever um would find that very convincing as well because I wouldn't go check and see if he was right necessarily. So yeah, it is terrifying on like several different levels because of that, because of its normalcy

0:07:13 Noah: Or it's it's whatever verisimilitude it's seeming normalcy

0:07:16 Thomas: That's why I was trying to fashion that that statement that I made like it's not as though everyone's like him but he is is every like a version of him is everywhere like met this guy a bunch of times you know and so yeah

0:07:23 Noah: I I've met that guy more often than I've met thomas smith right like like he's he's more common than we are

0:07:28 Thomas: Fair or that weird old guy who makes those religious movies that you've made me do a few times I don't remember if I was subbing in for you or not I can't remember but you know that old guy whose movies yeah yeah his old movies are just yeah no of course you know I was worried there'd be too many of this for you you to know which one I was talking about was the only thing but no the

0:07:38 Noah: Donald james parker yeah yep oh yeah yeah no I I know which ones we've exposed you to is what it is so yeah yeah

0:07:50 Thomas: The guy who just his movies are just I'm gonna sit here and spout off of insanity that guy doesn't seem normal like he's very weird but aaron rogers seems normal so you mentioned that I actually did want to um again we're not gonna have as much time as I wanted and that's okay but this is a clip I did did want to play because

0:08:09 Lydia: Well before you jump into the clip one other thing that is totally not normal I just have to have a moment tucker's dining room what is happening I I will take a picture and I'll share it with everybody because I don't want you to watch it it's this is a horrible video But has a chandelier made out of antlers. It's very, it's a statement.

0:08:18 Thomas: No, that's true. Telling me you didn't have a chandelier growing up?

0:08:33 Lydia: Chandelier? No.

0:08:34 Thomas: Chandler, Chandelier.

0:08:35 Lydia: Chandelier.

0:08:37 Thomas: Unfortunately, where I grew up, I've seen a lot of those actually.

0:08:40 Lydia: I've never seen them before.

0:08:41 Noah: There was definitely a very like ah we killed a lot of shit kind of a feel to the room that the thing that struck me the most about those that the very first scene that we see before the real interview even starts the very first thing I noticed was a bottle of a1 sauce and I'm like oh yeah I figured I figured tucker

0:08:56 Thomas: It is offensively wooden, in, can I say, his abode. It's just all the but not a satisfying color of wood. You know, it's that one where you can, Tucker Carlson is just not quite a human, but in a skin suit. I just, there's something a little off. And I feel like he's like, oh, I'm the kind of person who would have a wooden cabin -y house decor, but it's just not right. Like it's just something's off about it. It's just disturbing.

0:09:00 Lydia: So many different kinds of wood. So many. No.

0:09:20 Lydia: Yeah. But my next project is I'm going to screen capture his his dining room or whatever, and I'm gonna go on like a forensic investigation because, oh

0:09:34 Thomas: Well, I don't want you to have to visit that many Nazi sites, though.

0:09:38 Lydia: Man. But, okay, there's so many fake ducks all over the place. Anyway. Me. All right.

0:09:43 Thomas: Well, what do you have a real duck out there? What do you?

0:09:45 Lydia: I don't know. This guy's freaking crazy. He has a huge American flag in his dining room.

0:09:48 Noah: I mean I have no ducks alive or otherwise like no ducks is also an option for your bookshelves I'm just saying

0:09:54 Thomas: What if you want to read a duck? I don't know. So, yeah. But I this clip that I pulled and if we're talking major bullet points, this covid stuff obviously is one one we're gonna have to talk about I think this is a good way to to get more into it oh

0:10:09 Clip: Can't it's totally right. Someone said when they did it, it was you. Do you know anyone who didn't get the vax who's upset he didn't get the Vax? Does anyone regret that decision? No.

0:10:19 Lydia: All the dead people.

0:10:19 Clip: No, right, not one person ever. But people who did get the Vax really, which is why I love what you said, I think they do regret it. And I think that when you're doing something wrong, you're very defensive about it. I used

0:10:30 Noah: All live to regret regret it well

0:10:34 Thomas: It's so funny I that's just such a perfect distillation of their inability to grasp basic logic yeah

0:10:40 Lydia: I look this up a little bit and are are people who believe that it wasn't worth getting the vaccine. I don't see polls regarding regret. I know Vivek Ramaswamy specifically said he regretted getting the vaccine. But apparently, according to this poll, more more than half of Republicans who got a COVID vaccine say it was not worth it. And it is because maybe they still got sick and they had the idea that the COVID vaccine was supposed to prevent all illness rather than the goal of keeping you alive if you did get sick. And 29 percent of independents felt that way and only five percent of Democrats felt that if they were vaccinated, they felt it wasn't worth it, you know, years down the line. I know, what belief space in their brains that they decided this came... but I couldn't verify it anywhere.

0:11:30 Noah: They they start off by saying like we're in an echo chamber and we're reporting from within it right um they but can't pull the people who died of the and thought at the last minute well shit I should have got that vaccine that my that my niece kept telling me about or whatever you know

0:11:39 Thomas: It's it's so frustrating this is the perfect quintessential problem that I was almost going to say conservatives but I actually don't think that's the right word I and that's another theme that I really want to talk about is who what are these people like what are these people what do they have in common it's really been bothering occupying my mind like actually what started an ongoing list of things rogers said that tucker definitely doesn't agree with if and I had time I could probably find the segment where he probably did a whole bullshit thing about it but because rogers is conspiracy theorist along with him he's nodding along and it's fine and anyway point is Because the thing that's so easy for them to miss is the people whose lives were saved by this vaccine are going to have an awfully hard time knowing that their lives were saved by the fucking vaccine.

0:12:28 Thomas: When you're dealing with something that's a statistical solution, which is like, yeah, if we all get this vaccine, it's going to reduce spread by X percent. It's goingto reduce hospital visits by X percent. It's gonna reduce death. Yeah, those are all on the margins. There's not going to be a person who's like, oh, I was going to die, but now I'm not going to like, you don't ever know that there's just logically no way to make this comparison. And what you will have because of how this all works is a bunch of people who got the shot and they're fine. So, of that hundreds, millions of people, however many people that is, of course, you're going to know some people are like, well, I got the shot and now I heard a bunch of propaganda about how it's bad. So I regret it. And you're not going to hear things the other way because who would that logical person even be?

0:12:49 Noah: Especially

0:13:12 Thomas: Maybe you could find someone in a hospital bed who was on a ventilator who survived and was like, fuck, wish I had gotten that shot. Maybe. But that's, it's a lot harder to meet that person statistically than it is to meet the millions of assholes who got the thing and are pretty much fine. Go ahead.

0:13:12 Lydia: Oh

0:13:31 Noah: If you're tucker carlson or aaron rogers who's known for being like this this kind of anti -vaccine asshole you mean hey look I'll tell you what the jets play the jaguars I got tickets to that game right I'm gonna be like eight rows behind aaron rogers I will yell at him the whole time that I'm actually pretty good with the vaccine that I got

0:13:49 Thomas: Can you make a big sign? I don't regret getting the vaccine.

0:13:50 Noah: I oh I can make a big sign dude it

0:13:55 Lydia: This is happening.

0:13:58 Thomas: It's so fucking frustrating. But you referenced it before. I also wanted to use this as a bit of a launching off point for this idea that they just get to declare victory. Like what is, I don't know what their victory is, but the entire interview is from the perspective of, boy, yeah, we were the only ones sounding the alarm about this vaccine and how right we turned out to be. We, we turned out to be so right.

0:14:14 Noah: Turned out everything we said was yeah they pretend at one point uh scientists said that the vaccine was going to be a hundred percent effective and that it had no side effects right not only did no scientist ever say that about the fucking vaccine no No scientist ever said that about anything, right?

0:14:33 Thomas: Ever. Yeah.

0:14:33 Lydia: Yeah.

0:14:33 Noah: There is no scientist has ever said anything is 100 % effective at anything with no side effects.

0:14:39 Thomas: I know you know this too, but for anyone who hasn't spent some time in this, and I've spent, we've done a few things. And anytime I look into any anti -vax claims about COVID, this is ubiquitous. They all strongly believe in their hearts that somebody, usually Fauci, it's usually Fauci. They're like, Fauci said it's a hundred percent. It will prevent a hundred, blah, blah. And they all believe that as though it's a religion. It's like it as well be their like crucifixion moment of whatever. Well, we all know that Jesus died on the 100 percent safe and effective cross. And that's what they start with. And the best thing they can point to is like trial, you whatever reports or press releases where they're like, hey, in this trial group, the was 100 percent effective in tiny group of people. We tested against the current strain that existed only at that very specific point in time and place, there like, I found a few that was like, and it reports that it was 91%, and none of them say 100% on everything, but like, there was one that was like, oh, in this trial group, it was 91% effective against spread and like 100% effective against

0:15:42 Thomas: Preventing, and yeah, it'll be like preventing severe disease, and you'll get some trial groups at certain times where, yeah, yeah, it was 100% effective for that trial group at that very specific time. But no one in the world ever said ever. And if they did, they were just an asshole and wrong. And no, that shouldn't count against all of science. No one ever said, hey, we've invented the one vaccine, that's the permanent solution for all of this, that we all take and we're all happy and it's 100% gone. It's all gone. Nobody fucking said that. And so much of their mythology relies on that just being a thing. Somebody said that for some reason you get to hold them to forever.

0:15:36 Lydia: And in preventing hospitalization. Yeah right. Right. But they also don't want the one vaccine that takes care of everything.

0:16:24 Thomas: They wouldn't have taken it

0:16:24 Lydia: Right.

0:16:24 Thomas: Anyway.

0:16:25 Lydia: Because at the beginning of it, you know, Tucker starts off by going off about the, you general coronavirus vaccine. And he says, you're well, just trying to put something in your body that's going to go after everything like, no, it's specific to coronaviruses. It's a universal vaccine. And I believe it just finished its mouse study and it was really effective. And so they're human trials next. And I think that's why they're up in arms. So even if there's potential for a single vaccine to help protect everybody from coronaviruses as a whole, they're not interested. They don't want any of it. Yeah

0:17:01 Noah: Back from this moment for a second, because that's not exactly a cure for the common cold, but it's really fucking close to that, right. It's holy grail of medicine that we've talked about as long as I've been alive. A cure for the common cold. These guys would turn their noses up at the cure for the common cold and go, can you believe they want us to put it in our bodies? Oh my god, this is just so this is so fascist it's absolutely fascist

0:17:22 Thomas: I care so much about what I put in my body. God, I'm sure Aaron Rogers does, but I, that I can't relate to anything less than caring about what, yeah. What kind of taco bell I put on my body every day, who fucking gives a shit, man. As long as are still operating it's fine I don't know yeah

0:17:31 Lydia: Mr. Taco Bell

0:17:38 Noah: I'll you what man one one heart attack will change that attitude and or at least it did for me maybe it doesn't for you but whoo

0:17:44 Thomas: Well no I'm not saying well we're vegetarian like I'm I we have preferences about what we eat but it's not to the level of microscopically like I'm inspecting the chemical whatever and the and pills and the what like we all in life operate by trust in science to some degree um a huge degree actually with With so many things that we never think about, we all trust that when we pop that ibuprofen or that Advil or that whatever, that it's tested, that scientifically works and it's going to. And also we're trusting that like it's not tampered with and that's not always true. Like there thing of I only put in my body the holiest, perfect, whatever. It's like, yeah, it's just not going to be true. Like it just isn't. There's going be someplace where something could be a risk. And you're at so much risk of so much more. More, just of times more risk from everyday things than you are from this vaccine, probably. And this idea, I want to talk about this idea that, oh, don't think we ever got to cover it, but I'm not sure if this is the vaccine they're talking about. But there was a study that was run that if there was a general coronavirus vaccine, just like any coronavirus, was

0:18:43 Thomas: Exactly the thing that will never work with these people because due to how exponential growth works, as I know we all understand here, if you had a vaccine that was 10 % effective and you gave it to 10 % of people before, in the very first like like days of an outbreak, it would save gajillions of like just the way the math works. It's like you you only have to cut into it a little bit to to slow that exponential growth and make it much less than it would be. And that's yeah, it's exactly the kind of thing these people will never in a billion years understand. And it's so fucking frustrated because it really is a miracle of science. Like even if we can get a general vaccine for coronavirus that that's at all all effective. If it was like 30 % effective, that'd be a miracle. If we all took it, it would be a fucking miracle.

0:19:07 Lydia: Flatten the curve yeah Yeah. Mm hmm.

0:19:32 Thomas: So I want to go back to this idea that they're declaring victory. And like you've pointed out, Noah, what I, that's based on, you fucking got me, but it is so funny to me that they can just, they talk as though like we're in a -fi where we haven't gotten the exposition yet. And we're trying to puzzle out what happened before the camera was turned on, you know, well, just a good thing that we were right about this. And, you know, everyone else is, you expect the newspaper to flash up 10 billion dead in vaccine accident, but it's there's nothing like are you pointing to? I have any number of vaccines. I don't remember how many I'm great doing fine.

0:20:08 Lydia: All of the ones that they'll let me get.

0:20:11 Thomas: Yeah. Well, I think we're actually, we could get more. We should get on that. Tom is the champion. Champion he's noah do you know this that tom's gotten like 20 fucking vaccine shots he just goes and gets it well and he gets more than he should so ridiculous he's the champion of vaccine yeah he is literally

0:20:14 Lydia: Tom is the champion. He's gotten like all the different brands.

0:20:26 Noah: He's collecting extras. Yeah. OK. Well, yeah. Right, because if it's 10 percent effective, all he has to do, Thomas, is take it 10 times and then it'll be 100 percent.

0:20:33 Lydia: Yeah, there you go. That's just math. Yeah Yeah.

0:20:35 Thomas: But if I look at the other side of the ledger, um, million, 186,000 people died in America, roughly 1.2-ish million people died. And that gets to be looked at as like, well, that was fucking nothing. You made me get a little pokey poke for a measly 1.2 million deaths. Come on.

0:20:52 Lydia: I I don't know how they square their position now compared to like the horror shows, you know, that we saw in New York, for example. Right. We don't understand how those things could happen.

0:21:07 Thomas: I think that was all overdone. At one point, they mock the idea that the news had a tracker for how many people were dying and getting sick as though that wasn't what we all fucking cared about.

0:21:20 Noah: Well and consider the standards for evidence that they present. Right there's one point and it's a small point. I know we've got a lot to talk about, so I don't want to belabor this. But like, there's one point where they're talking about, like, remember when they would come on live TV and talk about how they hoped we would die?

0:21:32 Lydia: Yeah.

0:21:32 Noah: And we're like, and Like, I don't remember that. And they show this clip of Jimmy Kimmel, and he makes this joke, saying like, Oh, yeah, they're saying they might have to make some difficult decisions about who gets a hospital bed. And I say, just give the, you know, the ones to the people who are vaccinated and the asshole who took horse paste. Well, he can wait outside.

0:21:36 Lydia: From Kimmel. Yeah. Yeah.

0:21:49 Noah: That's of all, go Kimmel. Right. That's a good bit.

0:21:51 Thomas: 100 percent stand by that. I would if I were him.

0:21:54 Noah: Absolutely. And not just as a joke, but as a policy, like that's actually a fair policy and everything. People who did everything that they could to avoid that deserve the hospital bed more than people who didn't. Right. Also not people on live television wishing you were dead. Right? That's not Jimmy Kimmel saying, I wish people who wouldn't get the vaccine were dead. And they both act like they just saw a clip of the thing that they just said they were going going to show us right so you ask you do they square this or that evidence there's they no standard of evidence right

0:22:23 Thomas: Yeah it's might as well be they saw the little trolley meme and then they're like there were people publicly calling for the death of that little guy on the the one the one guy on the track you're like no it's just saying like if you had to choose they were calling for his head give him my give me his head on a platter no it was like they just were saying if you have to choose that makes sense like fucking obviously

0:22:47 Lydia: Also, they're just words coming out of Jimmy Kimmel. I thought words weren't scary. So,

0:22:52 Thomas: Well not only that if you guys are right well then aren't you fine like why would you care you know you won't be in the hospital will be the ones in the the hospital is just treating treating people with vaccine injury. Anyway, that's all they do now.

0:22:58 Lydia: You you won't actually be there. Yeah.

0:23:05 Thomas: Cause there's just so many. It's overwhelming. Why does this matter to you? Crazy. Love Noah when when Aaron Rogers quoted newsroom as like his favorite show?

0:23:04 Noah: We

0:23:07 Lydia: So crazy.

0:23:13 Noah: Oh, my God, I expected Aaron Sorkin to just rush in and side -tackle him over that, right?

0:23:20 Thomas: There are not many things ever that will get me on the side of Aaron Sorkin in something. I fucking hate Aaron Sorkin. I'm so sorry. If you like it, that's great for you. I don't, I'm not here to tell you you're wrong. It's just that you're entirely wrong and he's horrible. And it's the worst writing ever, but I, be on that side,

0:23:36 Noah: Well, see, I don't think what you don't understand, Thomas, is that they say it very quickly, and if you say things very quickly it is witty. It's witty and intelligent.

0:23:41 Thomas: You're smart yeah and the idea that newsroom that monologue and newsroom is going to be this like aaron rogers cites the monologue in the beginning of newsroom that I've only seen against my will via subtitles when it pops up on on like random social media video that's the only way I've ever seen it it's absolutely intolerable But for him, I will defend it against Aaron Rodgers. That's not your fucking anthem, dude. That is not at all saying what you want it to be saying at all. They go in with the JFK conspiracy. And it is interesting because I would have had the impression, and I think this is why watching this was valuable in some way. I'm trying to maybe just sunk cost fallacy, but, um, that this, COVID would have caused a lot of people to become conspiracy theorists. But when you look at these people, they pretty much always already were, you know, and Aaron Rogers was, he hasn't been like a, you Know, tinfoil hat, whatever. But he talks about like, yeah, in high school, I did a report on JFK and I thought that it was a little fishy, the weather. And you're like, like yeah okay no you're just a conspiracy guy

0:24:47 Thomas: That's you what these guys are and I wrote down at one point they they they because literally every sentence out of their mouths is they yeah they want this they want that they want it's yep and it's always the most basic conspiracy theory thing there is there's

0:24:53 Lydia: And who's they mm -hm snowden wants to come back and they won't let that him you know like okay big

0:25:03 Thomas: I wish we could get it ai to to draw us a, the Venn diagram of who logically speaking, the they would have to be for each of these different things, you Cause know? At some point it's like, well, it's all the deep state. And then it's, like, yeah. And it's by the time you're done with all of the they's, one thing that allows these people to spout this nonsense and, believe contradictory things is they can hide everything under a vague pronoun talk about pronouns they it's always they yeah

0:25:17 Lydia: Pharma

0:25:32 Noah: Right well and they can be absolutely contradictory right because there's a point in here he's talking about uh rfk and how much danger rf k junior is in because he's speaking the truth against vaccines or whatever and and as evidence they're the bad guys want it in for him they're like yeah and they won't give him secret service protection right as though that's up and I'm like but those are the guys you're saying want to kill him right yeah exactly wait

0:25:42 Lydia: So crazy yeah yeah

0:25:54 Thomas: Aren't those the bad guys yeah yeah oh

0:25:56 Lydia: I I think that's at hour six actually, I think

0:26:00 Thomas: Maybe we play a little bit of that just for fun yeah all

0:26:02 Clip: Given that all of that happened, it's a little weird that the Biden administration won't give Bobby Kennedy Secret Service protection. Yeah, he's new, Joe, forever. Like, they were friendly for a long, long time. It wasn't like he's some outsider. Like, he has been around the political game for a very long time, and he's the only major candidate who has not gotten Secret Service Protection. But also limiting and skewing, I believe, some of the polls to try and not just keep him out of a debate, but keep him, uh, out of super service protection. He's spending millions of his own dollars on private security, um, which he has to, because he's a threat, because he hasn't, you know, gotten paid for. Um, and, you don't know, he's, uh... foil to the two-party system. But I'm going to just tell you what Bobby Kennedy came out and said. In the summer months, at some point, he wants to do a 50-state poll with 20,000, I don't know what the exact number is, votes in each of these states. And whoever polls lower between him and Joe Biden has to drop out of the race. Because in his own analytics, he's found out that if the three of them win,

0:26:32 Thomas: Interesting was

0:27:17 Clip: Trump is most likely to win. If he goes against Trump, he wins. If he wins against Biden, he loses. If Biden goes against Donald Trump, Trump wins.

0:27:24 Lydia: All right. His RFK's analytics. And have no idea what that's about. Actually an article in the New York Times because a Sienna poll came out, you just about the time Aaron Rodgers is talking about this over on Tucker Carlson. And And I think what was interesting on this is that RFK is pulls from Biden voters from 2020. But when you look at the 2024 likely voters, he's pulling more from Trump than Biden. So he's actually grabbing Democrats that have already moved on, Democrats that aren't intending to vote for Biden. And so I have no idea where this idea of, RFK is going to beat Trump here, because I don't see that in what is considered one of the top polls year over year. Know, the New York Times -Santa poll.

0:28:13 Thomas: Well you want to um of make this point what he's likely doing is pointing to like approval polls you know and so if you

0:28:20 Lydia: That's only gone down. So and I was looking at that graph, too. And yeah, it's only going down for RFK.

0:28:22 Thomas: No I know but but we in a world where you, in the polarized two-party thing, like the candidates now will always be underwater approval, right, that didn't used to be true, and now it will always be forever probably and thing people love to make a big deal about and a generic democrat beats biden it's like yeah because that's not a real person and what happens is negative negative partisanship will engage against whoever the The other person is. And then that machine will reduce their popularity. Point is, early what's on, maybe Biden might have been a bit worried about RFK being in the race. But at this point, I think the math would show it might be better for Biden, for RFK to be in the raise just because RFK so quickly, like unmasked himself as such a piece of shit that I think a lot of Democrats, A lot of would -be Biden voters are probably not going that direction.

0:28:42 Noah: They have no baggage right yeah yeah

0:28:43 Lydia: You can create whoever you want.

0:29:02 Noah: Yeah I think that's right when because rfk jr first came out most people didn't know who the hell that was. Right. They just know the RFK. That's it. And like you said, they had that. He was generic Democrat for a little while. But once you get to know anything about him, it's obvious that he's occupying this conspiracy theorist lane. And of course, he still has all these negatives that might, know, you turn off Republicans or whatever. But these people that are engaged with Donald Trump because of the conspiracy theories, which is an increasingly large part of his electorate, know, those you are the people most likely to be pulled away from RFK who can say like, hey, you Know, Trump had a chance to tell you the truth about the aliens and he didn't.

0:29:52 Thomas: Yeah. Got to make one other point, which is I love the, oh, he's a foil to the two -party system. No, no, he is really not because you know what's going to happen? If he's in the race, someone from the two parties will win. If he is not in the ace, someone from the two party will win, he isn't a foil, he either enables one candidate or the other. He's just a part of the two-party thing because we only have two realistic parties that have any chance of winning until we change our system. He's not a foil to that. He's just an annoyance that confuses things but will not in any way threaten that two -party stronghold. There's a ton of worship, and he does, you know, Rogers does talk about RFK having asked him about VP, which is, man, I didn't know how real that was. But, I mean, I assume it's real. Based on how he's talking about hey

0:30:32 Lydia: Weird.

0:30:35 Noah: Shows how realistic he's taking this the job, though, right? That like, yeah, you throw a ball good. Would you like to be a fucking bullet away from the presidency I'd

0:30:37 Thomas: Man

0:30:43 Lydia: Jets quarterback.

0:30:46 Thomas: Uh counter noah apologies would you rather have president rogers or president trump

0:30:50 Noah: Rather have president rogers than president rfk jr so

0:30:53 Thomas: So like in terms of what makes a good candidate these days like fucking who knows maybe have the combine be the election I guess electoral

0:30:59 Noah: I mean even if it was just to see trump have to do the vertical right no

0:31:10 Thomas: Oh, my God. His feet, they have never left the ground. That's actually never happened. At the same time. I'm going to bet not.

0:31:19 Noah: Way you can do one or the other not always correctly sometimes there's toilet paper on one of them but yeah he's it's

0:31:26 Thomas: Okay Oh, here's one thing we have to talk about the wish we were um week tonight so we could do one of those little montagey things you know that doesn't um tucker carlson is really afraid of the dark he several times so aaron rogers is talking about his his drug stuff he does and he and like here's the other thing he came across as relatively speaking par for the course in with that too like oh the mdma he's just like all those tech bros that do that you know You know, like I thought he was going to be way more crazy than he is, to be honest with you. He's doing the retreats. He's the MDMA.

0:31:58 Lydia: But then he makes these claims that from these crazy detoxes he's like my allergies went away but he used the fact that he had an allergy in quotes to not get the covid vaccine so did they actually go away or what's going on there, dude.

0:32:14 Thomas: But what happens is he's talking about some of his retreats and that's on my list of things that Tucker Carlson definitely you can see Tucker Carlton sweat every time he talks about drugs is like clearly Carlson is like not he tries to be like, oh, yeah, when I was 15, I did whatever. Ever. There's a point where, yeah, there's

0:32:27 Lydia: When I was 15, I did LSD. Yeah,

0:32:30 Noah: Yeah because aaron rogers keeps going like well you took a bunch of psychedelics he's like ixnay on the psychedelics say man come on I told you I didn't my kids are watching

0:32:33 Thomas: Could tell even Rogers was worried because he talked about marijuana. He was like, and there's another thing there. The football players do this marijuana. And like, he was hesitant about it because yeah, this fucking guy's a tool in a square and he's not into any of this stuff, but it's just so funny how many things Rogers can say that I are just diametrically opposed to, Carlson's um, worldview, but het doesn't matter. And that's something I'm still thinking about. But anyway, he's talking about these retreats and these drugs and these whatever and then he says yeah and then I did a darkness retreat which is like I guess being in complete darkness for some number of days what it sounds like and carlson is like visibly scared at this point like he says no fewer than it like I don't want to exaggerate three to four times he says well yeah but but I mean mdma is one thing but like the dark like I'm like when you're in the dark man the demons they come is

0:33:26 Noah: Well say what's really fucked up is because he keeps going yeah because like there are elements of yourself that come out in the dark and I don't want to be around those

0:33:28 Lydia: So weird.

0:33:31 Thomas: He a werewolf or something? I don't know. No, I guess that wouldn't fit. Like what? Yeah. How does this even make sense?

0:33:37 Noah: Well like I I don't want to be around tucker carlson in the dark either so maybe it's just that

0:33:45 Thomas: If I'm in the dark, then the thoughts happen and I have to run. No thoughts. I can't ever have thoughts. Cause then I'll think about what I've done in the world. No. He's not like that. He's actually fully self -assured in everything he does. But He, he genuinely seems scared of the dark in a way that's really interesting. Like I think it's more than than just a punchline he he really believes in some of this weird spiritual stuff I think and he's like yeah some of the stuff you know that kind of the darkness it has the what and you're like dude you just would be in a room at some fucking camp where someone charged you billion dollars to do a darkness retreat there's no demons I don't think it's

0:34:19 Noah: I think the funniest thing about that whole bit is how like aaron rogers is trying not to say yes a total waste of money and I always I felt stupid I felt but it's obvious that he's there because he's like yeah I don't think at four or five days man I'm just oh god you're just sitting there right you can't look at your phone it's it's It's just, that's obviously such an awful idea. Who the hell would want to do that? But,

0:34:40 Thomas: Did you know that when comes to cancer, the biggest problem that no one's talking about these days is sugar?

0:34:47 Noah: Yeah, yeah. He does take a minute to tell oncologists how to do their jobs.

0:34:52 Thomas: Yeah. None of them will start with diet and reducing sugar. And it's like, well, for one, I mean maybe like some doctors probably would be like maybe diet could. I know like meat definitely causes more cancers than not meat.

0:35:04 Lydia: But do you remember I I was at the grocery store and the cashier lady decided to tell me she was like did you know 99 of illnesses could be fixed by diet I was like what

0:35:13 Thomas: There's this is everybody I swear to fucking god so many people well we're in California I don't know we've got the weird overlap of food woo bullshit and COVID stuff really maybe divided people a bit on that so you that like I think some of those people ended up maybe being like oh maybe the maybe I'll chill out about the vaccine stuff but I don' t maybe not all of them I don't know it's weird oh

0:35:17 Noah: They're everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's something you hear constantly from the Wu merchants that, that, oh, you know, they never tell you about diet. You go to the doctor and they don't talk to you about diet. They just want to give you pills. Well, that's because the pill thing is effective, right? Harping on people about their diet, not as effective. So I had to answer for this recently because, as I already mentioned, I recently had a heart attack. And afterwards, they said, hey, you need to be on this diet. This is the diet that you need. You need to know what you need on. Here's a piece of paper that tells you all about it. It's called the DASH diet. So you look it up online. It's easy to find more information. And my doctor has not really talked to me about diet since then. And one I of the things that you have to keep in mind here is that at least for the type of heart attack that I had at the age that I had it, the chief concern, the chief cause of death for people in my position is not another heart attack, it's suicide.

0:36:21 Noah: Yeah, it is because when you realize that like, hey, is a huge list of things I can never do. Here is a big list of people that I can't do. Here is the huge list that I am too old for now. I am to enfeebled to do these various things. I am no longer young. I look all of these different thoughts that that often accompany something like that and harping on somebody about how they can never eat sugar again, like does more damage than it it than does help. No, I'm not a doctor. I don't know that.

0:36:20 Thomas: Really interesting

0:36:45 Noah: Maybe my maybe I have a bad cardiologist. You should be talking to me about sugar more often or whatever. But based on my understanding of the statistics here, like it makes a lot of sense that the doctor doesn't just give you shit about all the things that you love in life and where you derive your pleasure from. They tell you, hey, look, this is how you should eat. And then from there, you have that information.

0:36:43 Thomas: Yeah yeah yeah very interesting I also think that it's once again it's just you're not going to be able to hear from the people you're talking about so like the people he's imagining could somehow sound off about the specific claim he's making are people who I donno weren't told to not eat sugar And then knew that they didn't develop a cancer because they didn t eat sugar. And you can't talk to them. That doesn't exist. And then maybe the other way you can talk to people who don't have cancer and say that it's because they stopped eating sugar, but they can't know for sure. Like so there's no it's just another claim that you evidence were how he said that it's all known that sugar is like causes all this cancers and I feel like I would have heard of that you know like I

0:37:45 Noah: Mean, we've heard that sugar's bad for you. Like, we know refined sugar's better. Like, nobody's lying. Like, every doctor agrees on that.

0:37:53 Thomas: My god I did want to play so they go on and on for a while about you know all this stuff and then I just I love this like two seconds for this line here that it just made me laugh out loud uh carlson really sums it up in a way that I just I laughed out loud at this he

0:38:08 Clip: So, it sounds like protein is the answer. Yeah, protein. If

0:38:14 Thomas: Off for hours yes sugar cause can't blah blah all this weird shit aliens spirits so protein I guess you know uh just get get some protein oh you mean something Something that we've known for fucking ever. It's like, okay, yeah, protein's pretty good. Yeah, that's a good takeaway here.

0:38:22 Lydia: Lion diet.

0:38:21 Noah: What do you want to do? It's so dumb. At one point, Aaron Rodgers has to stop and he goes, hey, Look, you know, not all pharmaceuticals are bad. And I'm like, it's weird that you have to clarify that, man. Like come on yeah

0:38:43 Thomas: And you know how you know the good ones is that they're made by a mom and pop hippie or something. You know, like, or are they made by the same fucking companies?

0:38:49 Noah: You

0:38:52 Lydia: Yeah. We go to something that made me laugh? 54.

0:38:54 Thomas: Please. Oh,

0:38:56 Clip: Thankfully, I don't watch porn. You know, I've never been into any weird kinky stuff. So it'd be really

0:38:57 Thomas: Is so good

0:39:07 Noah: Sound like such a dull fuck aaron look

0:39:09 Clip: It'd give me pretty unwise for a prominent person to get into online because all that stuff is monogurt what no but I think a lot of those people probably are you have to be an idiot there's a there's a camera on your phone and your ipad and your laptop yeah

0:39:24 Noah: At the boobies yes

0:39:17 Thomas: It's amazing I'm sorry right you this is so this is so insane it's so good oh

0:39:32 Lydia: How red Tucker gets during this part of the conversation, too, is so funny to me.

0:39:37 Thomas: My god two

0:39:38 Noah: Well I wish I had the time stamp there's there's a point in there where tucker after a big long conversation just says the entire question is so what's the sex thing about and now it yeah

0:39:47 Thomas: It was probably before this I think just before this yeah mm

0:39:49 Noah: I just like I I know he's talking at that point about sexual blackmail because jeffrey epstein didn't kill himself or whatever but just the whole idea that tucker carlson says he's like so did you have you ever touched a boobie like have you ever what is the can't

0:39:55 Thomas: -hmm have you ever done the sex yeah he does try to hit that too like oh so you know when you're famous you probably probably have a good time dating right no is crazy like this is fucking insane to hear two grown men in the year of our our lord 2024 be like you if you're in a famous person you would be insane and I'm thinking like what is going to be the rest of the sentence you know to to maybe join like an orgy club or something yeah okay fine maybe to get into online porn what

0:40:30 Lydia: Yeah. To look at any naked people on your phone.

0:40:30 Noah: Unbelievable

0:40:33 Thomas: What do you think they're they're sincere in this thought. I seem like it.

0:40:36 Noah: I didn't know there's a there was a real it really felt like a whole like I don't watch poor do I hun at all ever it really felt Like that to me maybe I'm wrong and he actually doesn't that would explain a lot of of his facial expressions I guess if

0:40:50 Thomas: Well, but yeah. And it's so bewildering because the whole reason they're saying that is because the, they guess what? It's they, they can frame you digitally with like kiddie porn and whatever. They're like, therefore you'd be crazy to look at porn to which I'd say, well, they they can just set you up. Why would it matter?

0:41:11 Lydia: Regardless. Yeah.

0:41:11 Thomas: Yeah. Like what the fuck are you talking about?

0:41:10 Noah: I mean if anything you could be like well no I keep my porn in this file obviously that's not mine you know or whatever

0:41:18 Lydia: I'll show you what I look at. Yeah. This is what I'm into. Not that.

0:41:22 Thomas: And I, and I will say maybe Aaron Rogers is crazy enough that one of them says like, oh, I don't even have a laptop, which was fucking weird. Maybe. I mean, honestly, if you're that worried about this, it would be consistent to say, yeah, that's why I have literally no digital devices of any kind. Like maybe that would prevent whatever this framing But they still could just put a hard drive somewhere and then we'd never know that you didn't have ever hard drive. Like, this is so weird. This this part was so fucking weird. Just want to be like, dudes, I'm, I're watching porn right now. What are you talking? Like, it's.

0:41:53 Noah: Like like if my if my online like if it came out and it's like oh you know no illusions online porn profile like the thing that I'd be most worried about is like it's a little tame based on the jokes that I made people would look at it and go wow you're uh it's pretty vanilla here man actually I am so you you uh you joke higher than you jack up I'm just gonna tell you that um

0:42:12 Thomas: Well has moved on from I don't know what you're fucking talking about guys like we have to get to Putin before we call it, even is fucking insane this

0:42:21 Clip: One of the most controversial somehow not to me most controversial interviews in the last I don't know how long when you went to russia with putin how did it feel coming back because like anybody watching me was like number one it was fucking awesome number two putin came off as an interesting thoughtful smart individual and if you've read 1984 you know the base game plan of government control is you have to have an enemy and you have to slander that enemy regardless if you know anything about him and

0:42:38 Thomas: Is diddy yeah but you guys don't have an enemy though you don't do that there's no there there hasn't been an enemy at every every single part of this conversation it's only the the bad guys it's only them who do that they're the only they deal in out of the sith deal in absolutes fucking jesus christ

0:42:52 Noah: Wouldn't you You wouldn't want to. Right. Yes. Yeah. No, they, they. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Your enemy has been a pronoun this entire fucking time. Are you kidding me?

0:43:08 Thomas: Your enemy is literally anybody who could apply at any given time jesus this

0:43:14 Clip: Apologist like you know whitewashing all the stuff that he's done to different people and I was just like well I'd love to see joe biden give an interview where he can speak on the history of the united states in the same way that putin talked about the history of his country emotional

0:43:28 Thomas: Is okay here's one thing I do need to say for saw in the shitty idiot manosphere I actually happened to see I don't know why I think it was because I was making a I was trying to make a twitter account to follow some of these assholes you know because I didn't want to do it on mine because then then I have to see him you know and I saw uh sargon at this time around the time of of putin the interview this one he was one of those talking points they manosphere this exact group of people they all get on the same exact little talking points in the weirdest way and this was One of them they're like look at him look at putin he He just delivered a master course on Russian history. And it's like so fucking weird. I genuinely do not know what's going on here. I think it's very easy to say, well, it's the money. There's the Putin, the funding. I actually don't think that's is paying Aaron Rodgers. I think

0:43:40 Lydia: Ruin the algo yeah yeah

0:44:18 Thomas: I read some articles on this to prepare for this. And there is some level of obviously ties to Russia at some some level. You know, I'm not saying there's no financial ties to Russian oligarchs in the Trump camp. You know that all exists. But to the like run of the mill MAGA person now is like pro Putin. It's fucking weird and disturbing. I was trying to figure out like what happened. And what I had forgotten about is sort I of an accident of history. I think in that the, the original call that Trump was going to get impeached over was with Zelensky or whatever. Right. Or, of that, then Putin, you Ukraine and Zelenski is looked at as the enemy. And it's like, There's it's a bunch of factors, but like, that's one of them that I kind of just forgotten about. Cause there's so much to remember with Trump, but Like, Oh yeah. Zelenskey was the one who was part of that fucking phone call. And so he became, yeah, he became an enemy because of that. And then like, once you see him as the enemy, then you might see the other guy as the good guy. And also it certainly triggers the libs to love Putin. And Also he's Christian. So there's some of that, it's like a bunch of shit in a stew that all coalesces into like this weird fascination with putin that go

0:45:02 Noah: That very perfect phone call. Yeah.

0:45:04 Lydia: Shirtless

0:45:24 Noah: Well, you know, and the thing about Putin, though, is that I think that Putin Putin represents the sort of the that they want. Right. Like, the strong man. And of course, Vladimir Putin, whose autobiography is not an autobiography, but it was like, he had to approve every word in his official biography, has a chapter in it about how everybody knew better than to bully him and nobody ever beat him up in school. And anybody who tells you that is a full of fucking shit. He's that guy. He's like the defensively manly man guy who has to prove his manliness at every moment. And that's what they want.

0:45:58 Noah: Right. That's what those people respond to. And so, yeah, a lot of it is the enemy of my enemy is my friend thing happening with Putin. But a lot of it, too, is that like really do kind of want that guy. And of course, like you said, he he his banner on Christian values and stuff like that. And he's homophobic. And so he hits a lot Of the course that they want hit as well.

0:46:17 Thomas: It's anyone too young forget like russia was literally the and you talk about the 1984 that was you guys that was well I say you guys that was Reagan Republican that was tucker's side of things that was doing that mostly like there the, was, you an adversarial, really not to say that they were making an enemy out of nothing, but like that was five minutes ago, mainstream mainstream Republican view that Russia is the big evil enemy. Now we're to this, it's just disturbed. I'm just bothered by that, how that happened. It's just like fucking crazy you know

0:46:50 Noah: It makes it feel like we're in some kind of like we're trapped in some kind of ridiculous example that someone's getting in 1988 about just how bad the Republican Party could get. You know

0:47:02 Thomas: To me worse than the putin worship I know that's a bold claim worse than that is how they talk about zielinski because that is what the fuck okay I want I need to play a little bit of that because

0:47:15 Clip: Attachment to any foreign country because I'm not a foreigner I'm an american and this is the only country I care about but um but for the record yeah I thought people can watch it and assess for themselves and they should it's it's a fascinating idea that you shouldn't be allowed to do that it's so crazy to me I'm not

0:47:32 Thomas: Has a stock bit of revisionist history that he does that's propaganda to justify him taking ukraine and there's nothing impressive about that that's just what you do when you're trying to just take something you know like you develop a mythology that's you know and it's loosely based on some historical things it's not like it's all made up but it's like written with a certain slant and that's going to be your talking points and this weird idea by these fucking morons that like that's just down to his intelligence the fact that he can oh just spontaneously deliver a lecture on russia no no it's prepared propaganda to take over a cut like this is it's Not an academic display of brilliant what the fuck are you talking about And the idea that Biden couldn't easily deliver some sort of speech on U.S. history that would be fascinating more and, a you little propagandistic, but like it would be somewhat accurate. Like the idea that he couldn't do that is insane. The guy is American history. He's a thousand years old. He was there.

0:48:10 Lydia: He learned it once and he's just repeating it yeah

0:48:31 Noah: Right yeah exactly well thing is is that putin convinced them and if you convinced me you must be brilliant what

0:48:39 Thomas: Yeah. The Zelensky stuff here, I got to play that.

0:48:43 Clip: Going to submit to that I'm concerned about the people who have like just bowed down and given interviews from their knees to the zelinski's of the world gargling as they interview yes it's wild as a guy comes over in a uh an outfit you'd wear to the you know to the store on a sunday morning to ask the congress for another another hundred billion dollars is fucking weird it looks like he's gonna be in the you know village people music video it's like insane the whole thing it's insane you do sort of wonder like that and a million other things going on right now you wonder if they're they're sort of seeing how far they can push the population until someone starts laughing like

0:48:52 Thomas: Zelenskys of the world gargling as they interview. What

0:48:55 Lydia: What this is so terrible yeah

0:49:13 Noah: Does that have to do with can

0:49:24 Lydia: This interview they're railing against the elites and what is more elitist than standing here and like going off about what somebody's wearing to advocate for his country that's currently at war and he's like what

0:49:37 Noah: You believe this guy in this war -torn country didn't wear a suit and tie like like what the fuck aaron yeah

0:49:42 Lydia: So weird oh

0:49:44 Thomas: Just a second ago was like Tucker you're so brave for going over to Russia and your life might have been in danger and you're just the bravest whatever meanwhile they are literally like bullying Zelensk like it's the weirdest schoolyard bully thing of Zelenski somebody whose life is very much in danger far Far more danger than any of us will probably ever be in.

0:50:00 Lydia: And it was his military fatigues that he wore and it's a trademark of his yeah so now they're anti -veteran

0:50:09 Noah: Was it really oh wow yeah

0:50:12 Thomas: So it wasn't like, you know, a tank top with a barbecue sauce stain on it. And that

0:50:17 Lydia: Village people so dumb

0:50:15 Noah: They country they like militaries that don't get invaded yeah yeah

0:50:21 Thomas: Ways that we saw during the Trump years of people instantly reversing positions that they had five seconds ago, that was always disturbing. This one's really disturbing. You're just taking on a worship of Putin and just demonizing of the leader of the the country that's getting invaded not to say like any of one anywhere is a saint or whatever but like going that hard about weird stuff like that in a way that like you can see the disgust in Aaron Rodgers face and just shows how affective this constant constant negative kind of drum beating against you democrats or anyone is yeah

0:50:52 Noah: Well and the most terrifying thing about that whole aspect of it and realistically the putin worship was probably the scariest and most newsworthy aspect of the entire interview the scariest thing aboutthat is that like like we know who putin is Putin as a terrifying human being, right? They're sending a very clear message that, hey, man, if you want to kill reporters and if you wanna imprison political rivals and just let them rot and die in prison, and if you wanna come up with exotic poisons to mark the skin color of your opponents forever and all this crazy shit, we're fine with that, right, like we're okay with that as long as you're homophobic, as long you hate the right people, we are okay with it. That that message could not be clearer in their Putin worship.

0:51:35 Thomas: Harkens back to uh one thing said early in the interview tucker carlson when they're talking again, the they, uh, the, he says, and they're not even good at fascism. And I wrote game, disrespecting game. Like, yeah, that's a weird thing to critique, buddy. Like the thing, you know, the thing I don't like about the, the current, they was Biden or whoever the fuck he was talking about in that moment. They're not good at racism. And, you Know, as an avid, you Practicer of fashion as a, as a worshiper. Yeah, exactly.

0:52:00 Noah: As a connoisseur, yeah, right, he

0:52:07 Thomas: I want, I, I think think that's lazy. And Putin is good at fascism. So they like that.

0:52:13 Noah: Is pretty good at fascism, yeah.

0:52:15 Thomas: The, in the waning moments here, I do want to get you guys' views on like my had a view of Tucker Carlson that I think was inaccurate back like, know, a couple of years ago, because he was the Fox News guy. I put him in the category of I kind of put him in that category because he took over that slot, you know, eventually or whatever. And he's not that. He's very much not that I I've been trying to think of what unifies these two idiots and like what makes all this make sense. And the best I can come up with is. Really is just conspiracy theorists. I think that's the overall unifying thing. And that allows a constant negativity towards others. I think that is the key. As as you are bashing some sort of they, you are fine. They can never construct anything. They can ever build anything. They can advocate positively for anything meaningful in policy or anything. Thing. And, and it's the reason why even when Trump gets in, they're not happy. They still have all their criticisms. Like, like is he was not happy with Trump.

0:53:14 Noah: I mean, all this COVID shit happened while Trump was president that they're complaining about, yeah?

0:53:17 Thomas: He's well, it's not clear they know that, but yeah, they just think that was Biden who time -traveled to do that. That's worrying to me because this, I think is becoming the new right. And I think it's a bit of a realignment, you so easy to constantly be harping on the they and out negative stories about whoever making everyone seem that way on some other side. I used to think Carlson was like, oh, he's just in it for Republicanism. He's going to get the Republic. I really don't think that's it. I think he really is this guy.

0:53:47 Noah: Think that's probably correct. You know, you talk about that realignment, And I think we can draw on an example that you and I both lived through. Right. So when you and I first got into podcasting, we did so sort of during the ascendancy of the atheist movement, when it was just about what we were against. Right? We're against religion. We're against this aspect of religion. We're against that aspect. We were against every aspect. And some we cared about and some we didn't care about. But we were, you know, we were all in the same boat fighting against the same enemy or whatever, whatever, whatever. As soon as the atheist movement was like, hey, you know, we've got a lot of people here. What are we for? Right?

0:54:19 Thomas: Mm hmm?

0:54:19 Noah: Started to be all these various schisms, you know, these these various people broke off and it was like, oh, well, you know what? I don't want to be part of the social justice aspect of of atheism. Well, I don't want to BE a part of THE, you aspect of atheists, et cetera, et cetera. And so we we started having to break off. Well, with conspiracy theories, you're given sort of a worldview where that never has to happen. Conspiracy theorists don't generally speaking have a grand unifying theory that draws all their bullshit together it's all just questions they're you know it's about questions exactly it's all they they can be contradictory like you said the venn diagram would just be insane to look at but because they're sort of insulated from ever having to be for anything they can rally the the troops really fucking well.

0:54:49 Thomas: It's all just they. Exactly. Yeah. Think as importantly, it's immune from their guy winning because we saw that with Trump. Contradiction, They the hypocrisy is so obvious. But Aaron Rodgers in like two different sentences, like 10 seconds apart, on one hand, he talked about the swamp. He talks about the deep state. Rodger It's likes to say the alphabet, whatever, CIA, FBI, all those.

0:55:26 Thomas: Oh, yeah. And one moment, it was, yep, they're just top to bottom. You can't do anything about that. And then when he was talking about a different thing, he's like, and there's so many good people in those organizations, but it's the, it's the people at the top, you know, I'm like, well, but you had the guy at the top and he put people there that, one moment it's is rife with invisible people that are, are danger. And then in another moment, it is, well now it is just the people at the top, depending on what thing you are trying to say. And it just means that there is never any any time where they can be satisfied, where Tucker Carlson and Aaron Rodgers can be satisfied at all, no matter who goes into power, they will find ways to complain about it. Now they have their, you know, Carlson would rather Republicans be in power. Obviously, I'm not saying he's like in the middle or some shit, but it's important to that worldview to exactly your point. I think you hit on it right there to always be able to have that enemy. You can't ever be in tower. You know, you can't Can't be like fully on board with Trump. 'Reilly And would be able to do that. So like O 'Riley

0:55:25 Noah: Alphabet soup, yeah. Sure.

0:56:24 Thomas: Would switch to prop out and out propagandist for the or whoever was in, you know, whatever Republican was in office, he would do that and that's because that's what he's a Republican and he wants Republican. I think more than anything Carlson. I think he really is conspiracy theorist guy and I think It's more important to him to always be able To complain about the they I yeah

0:56:45 Lydia: Know I'm gonna start my investigation and I'm going to zoom in and enhance over and over I'm

0:56:50 Noah: Well, find out what all of those ducks are about.

0:56:52 Lydia: Yeah we'll have an answer soon you guys

0:56:56 Noah: It's important to remember here that, like, Tucker Carlson has reinvented himself. Like, he was a liberal at one point, right? Remember he was on, like MSNBC?

0:57:02 Thomas: He no he was still played the conservative on them is

0:57:05 Noah: No, but he was way more liberal than, like he was as his Fox News persona and whatnot. Until he got his ass handed to him by Jon Stewart, gave up the bow tie, and started a life of crime or whatever. Honestly So don't think that Tucker Carlson is genuinely anything. I think it's just all about where—you know, he's following the money, and he thinks that's where the money goes.

0:57:09 Thomas: For sure yeah I don't know I I used to think that and I don't anymore because he gave up so much money to leave fox news he

0:57:32 Noah: But, well, he didn't leave voluntarily. I mean—oh,

0:57:34 Thomas: That's what no but but sorry to, to, he could have stayed by choosing to do different things and he would have retained more money. Don't know anymore, man, because I see him here in his fucking wooden shed, his whole wooden, whatever, every wood. And he actually is just a conspiracy theorist. Like, I think He believes this shit. Cause I, I don't know. It's hard to know, but it's fucking crazy. And, he threw in there that like yeah I didn't grow up particularly religious I was like oh fuck yeah I is that right did he grow up because he said he grew up kind of secular yeah and it's like yeah oh I kept thinking in my mind just without thinking about it that he was this typical religious conservative and I really don't think he is you becoming religious but yeah weird

0:58:01 Lydia: Yeah he's from San Francisco I mean yeah I

0:58:13 Noah: No, I don' t think he's that. That. Yeah think you're right that he believes all the stuff he's saying right but I think belief for him is something that can be molded by self -interest in a way that's probably not even conscious you

0:58:24 Thomas: So we might as well uh go out with the ultimate they we we really see the extent of the flexibility of the they where

0:58:33 Clip: Unseen world overstepped. A little bit too far. I'm I'm seeing seeing that the government wouldn't lie to them, wouldn't fuck with them, and I think those people are waking up. That's why I have hope. I really do have hope that we learned our lesson and that the powers that be, the evil, unseeing world, overstepped. A little bit too far.

0:59:01 Thomas: Out and saying it what

0:59:04 Clip: They got rid of their skis. And the people woke up and they're not going to allow this to happen.

0:59:19 Thomas: Is the this us

0:59:19 Lydia: Nuts

0:59:19 Clip: There's some weird things going on in the world right now. The stuff of the border is very weird. We're listening to Brett Weinstein talking about the groups of Chinese military's

0:59:21 Thomas: Getting vaccinated fucking a there's two people these people listen to fucking

0:59:31 Clip: Men that are getting in. It's very amazing.

0:59:36 Clip: Ways that we're not prosecuting anybody. A lot of these big cities, and there's the George Soros of the world who are anti-human, and funding a lot of these protests, probably in these cars campuses.

0:59:45 Thomas: Jesus

0:59:45 Noah: Anti -human how can a person be anti -human I mean I guess so you could if you're suicidal maybe you could be anti human I don't know anti

0:59:48 Lydia: Nuts yeah

0:59:48 Thomas: Is that I is oh my god talk about you could be anti-human but maybe but like you probably yeah you probably kill yourself or you'd be a terrorist that was trying to end the world but like that's not what george soros is my man that's what are you talking about the about demagoguing and like demonizing someone does it get more lazy than they are just anti -human like wow okay nothing's more specific than that he's like what how could you say that about it what what the fuck are you talking about yeah

1:00:15 Noah: -human remember when remember we were told that the terrorists hated us because of our freedom right it's it's smacks of that

1:00:30 Thomas: That that looks like a like a phd thesis compared to this at least they had to put some thought into it. Hmm. Freedoms. Yeah, no, they're anti-human, they're just anti, and that's a result of having so many contradictory beliefs and conspiracy theories and never needing or wanting to make them work the the enemy becomes more and more ridiculous you know because they're just like so full of contradictions good

1:00:53 Noah: Well yeah your point about the Venn diagram, right, eventually you need some kind of trans-dimensional Jewish alien lizard from saturn yeah

1:01:01 Thomas: String theory yeah so well Well, I'm sure we could go on about this forever. But, you know, I stopped watching football. I want to at least get your comments. Is he still good at football? I don't know.

1:01:07 Lydia: Too

1:01:14 Noah: Well, I mean, he was out with an injury all year last year. He played like two plays and then broke his Achilles or tore his Achilles or whatever.

1:01:20 Thomas: That's right. That was last year. So

1:01:22 Noah: So it remains to be seen. But honestly, he wasn't that good the year before that. So I'm kind of hoping he's spent.

1:01:22 Thomas: Hard to know. Hopefully. Hey, he was he was an amazing quarterback back in the day.

1:01:30 Noah: He's one of the best that ever played. Yeah, I think so.

1:01:31 Thomas: He's really good. Yeah.

1:01:33 Noah: Yeah. He may still be really good, too.

1:01:33 Lydia: Bad he's crazy yeah yeah

1:01:33 Thomas: But too bad. Yeah. Yeah.

1:01:36 Noah: But also is insane. Yeah.

1:01:36 Thomas: We'll see. Yep. So I want to get that football expertise in there just for a moment. You know, no, no. I think so much. No, of course, everyone can find you on a number of shows that I'm a huge fan of. Let's see. Should we try to write a scathing atheist?

1:01:38 Lydia: Of course you

1:01:51 Thomas: God awful movies. The Skeptocrat. The oh no pressure. Cite your citation needed.

1:01:50 Lydia: Got it citation needed d

1:01:57 Thomas: And did Oh, yes.

1:01:57 Noah: &D Minus.

1:01:59 Thomas: Of course. This might be my favorite one. Fuck. And D &D Minus. Thanks so much for coming on the show. We've been wanting to get you on for a long time. It's a pleasure to have you.

1:01:59 Lydia: D minus yeah

1:02:07 Noah: For having me, man. You joke higher than you jack up I'm just gonna tell you that um