WTW106: Oklahoma Christian Idiot Gets a 0, Then Uses Christian Privilege to Get Teacher Fired

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0:00:03 Clip: What's so scary about the woke mob? How often you just don't see them coming. Anywhere you see diversity, equity, and inclusion, you see Marxism and you see woke principles being pushed. Wokeness is a virus more dangerous than any pandemic hands down. The woke monster is here and it's coming for everything. Instead of go-go boots, the seductress green M&M will now wear sneakers.

0:00:43 Thomas: Hello and welcome to Where There's Woke. I'm Thomas. That's Lydia. And I need to introduce Eli Bosnick, returning to the show.

0:00:51 Lydia: Pew, pew, pew.

0:00:52 Thomas: Stop everything.

0:00:55 Eli: I'm back.

0:00:56 Thomas: How you doing, Eli?

0:00:57 Eli: I'm good. I thought this was Serious Inquiries Only, so I'm adjusting. All right. Different part of the Smithverse.

0:01:02 Thomas: Oh, yeah, totally different. Totally different vibe. Completely different character, actually, that you need to play. You're returning to the scene of the crime of the funniest thing ever put to tape.

0:01:14 Eli: That ever happened. That is true.

0:01:16 Thomas: We're trying to find a way to incorporate that character.

0:01:19 Lydia: David. Yeah.

0:01:20 Eli: Not to plug our other shows, but I think perhaps David was supplanted by the sex dolls email.

0:01:27 Thomas: Oh, Oh yeah. That's so funny. I was thinking the same thing. I was like the hardest I've ever laughed until the latest email that hopefully it will be out by the time people hear this on Dural Dads. Oh my gosh.

0:01:36 Lydia: I haven't edited yet. So I don't even know what you guys are talking about.

0:01:41 Thomas: This is also where I find out Lydia is behind on her work obligations and she's fired.

0:01:45 Eli: Genuinely, Lydia. Not only did I laugh harder than I think I've ever laughed on Dear year old dads I would wander for the next two days about my life and remember it and start laughing that hard again yeah

0:02:01 Thomas: I've never heard Eli laugh that hard. Like honestly, I really, it was was like he was me he was like an average me wow well that's your old dad's the other thing I was referring to is of course your appearance back just before the world ended for the second time right was it before trump too

0:02:03 Eli: It was there were moments of fear there were moments of fear for my physical safety

0:02:21 Lydia: It was the Madison Square Garden

0:02:21 Eli: Yeah my father

0:02:22 Thomas: Oh gosh and that guy that came on everyone needs to go listen to that again because I have and it's the funniest is that is that guy involved in the story like is is he her dad? Is he, you know, like, can we find a way?

0:02:26 Lydia: Event that was so good I wish

0:02:30 Eli: It's it's my cell phone ring it's whenever thomas calls me god oh it'd be so good you guys got to get your own podcast first

0:02:42 Thomas: No, we kind of do. We're just not organized enough. That's all. You know, we've got, we swooshed the doodly doos, but well, we've Got that. We just, we need one organized cast member. Yeah.

0:02:46 Eli: You just need one cast member in constant psychosis that's all you have to do oh yeah no that's

0:02:53 Lydia: Unfortunately it's Thomas so yeah yeah mm

0:02:58 Thomas: So this is a story that what's funny is I saw this like the day it happened and was like, oh, we got to do this. And it was the end of the month where we're like, we needed one more dub to dub. I was like this is perfect. We'll record a

0:03:08 Lydia: Nobody was talking about it yet yeah

0:03:08 Thomas: Bonus on this. Nobody was talking about it yet. I was like, great, good to go. And then of course we could not get it all done in time. And so we're like, oh, we'll record it. And then we heard from every single one of our listeners who emailed us individually. I was like you need to cover this. We're like God damn it.

0:03:23 Lydia: We know Oh.

0:03:23 Thomas: Yes, but I would have been cool to have it out before that. And then I realized, wait, Eli has teaching experience and maybe somehow this guy is involved from the Trump rally thing. So I don't know, maybe we can get that involved somehow. If not Not that I've really wanted to get Eli's take and maybe, maybe even an Eli Reid of stupid Christian girl. So this is, of course, an idiot from Oklahoma who decided to turn in feces smeared on paper and was mad that she got a zero. And that's what we're going to be covering today. I'm excited.

0:03:35 Eli: Fair oh

0:03:56 Thomas: All right. Well, we'll take our first break. And that'S the teaser. Come back after the break and you can hear Eli reading.

0:03:44 Eli: Fuck yeah let's get

0:04:02 Thomas: I don't know if it's technically a hate crime. I don'T know. I think, hey, it's post -Trump 2 .0. We can do what we want.

0:04:02 Eli: It that's right nobody who writes an essay that includes the words I'm against bullying however gets to be like that impersonation of me on that podcast no thank you

0:04:20 Thomas: I'm against bullying whatever is your essay I can't believe she's and she's plagiarizing that's what you that's your manifesto eli I think it's bullying however I do it every day anyway uh after the break we'll get to

0:04:21 Lydia: So fair.

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0:04:42 Thomas: It I think I'm gonna join ice I heard an ad and I was like you you know, I've been convinced I

0:04:45 Eli: Dude I'm gonna get in on that sounds great

0:04:47 Lydia: Yeah, they've made their case. I get it.

0:04:49 Eli: Get to listen to sabrina carpenter it's awesome

0:04:51 Lydia: Yeah oh my god. God.

0:04:51 Thomas: Did. Yeah. I just, all it turns out, I just needed to hear enough auto ads.

0:04:57 Lydia: Now you've turned.

0:04:57 Thomas: And then now I'm like, I'm going to join ice. I'm in the deal.

0:04:58 Eli: Can I tell you my favorite reaction god I'm forgetting who it is it might be hosier but you know whenever trump's government uses a popular song the artist does like a fucking milk toast they gotta listen to my music too like I stand against the policy but there's one artist and I don't remember who they are who was like you're fascists who should be dead

0:05:14 Thomas: God. I feel like I know what you're talking about.

0:05:19 Eli: I wish you were dead I hope if you like my songs you're killing the people who play this song right now it's just completely chill -less

0:05:27 Lydia: Amazing. Okay.

0:05:24 Thomas: Man. Yeah. It's on the tip of my tongue. I know what you talking about it is a dude. Definitely for sure. All right. So why don't you take us into this story? If you haven't emailed us.

0:05:36 Lydia: So folks might have, folks have likely seen this story go across the interwebs. Samantha Fulnecki wrote a paper for her Lifespan Development class. It was supposed to be a reaction paper to an article that was assigned. The article here is titled Relations Among Gender Typicality, Peer Relations, and Mental Health During Early Adolescence. This is an article from February 2014 is when it was published, so this is not new.

0:06:07 Thomas: Oh, wow. This is from before they trans all the kids.

0:06:10 Lydia: Yeah, she wrote a response to this paper, turned it in, ended up getting a zero out of 25. Why do we know about this? Yeah.

0:06:17 Thomas: It's a story. Yeah, I was going to say our beat here is scores that students got on their little paper things. That's what we cover.

0:06:25 Eli: Thanks for joining us on canvas watch watch. Next week, Ryan Murphy of Oklahoma State University got a 16 out of 18 on his physics assignment. Let's find out what cost him those two points. Lydia, let's take it to the spin zone.

0:06:40 Thomas: It's not it's not even yet. Not even their full like grade of the class, just like an individual little paper in

0:06:46 Lydia: No, this particular assignment, which after digging is worth 3 % of her grade in the entire class. So why we know about this, yeah, the reason we know about this is because when she got the zero, she first talked to the instructor kind of trying to appeal the grade.

0:06:56 Thomas: A degree. She's not going to use anyway because she'll just be on Fox News doing forehead watch. No, I don't know.

0:07:09 Eli: First, you tried to add a zero and a one to the front of that.

0:07:13 Lydia: And when the instructor declined to change her grade, she went to, literally emailed the governor of Oklahoma. That was her next step. Her next step was emailing the governor of Oklahoma and also Teacher Freedom Alliance, which, if you're a listener to this pod, you will know is the new home of Ryan Walters.

0:07:19 Eli: Emailed, emailed the oh

0:07:41 Lydia: As a reminder, that organization...

0:07:37 Eli: I don't know I I can't hear what yeah you guys are using yours and kester so I don't have access to mine I don'T know what's on my pod four so I donT know what I just played but I got four buttons we're gonna find out today we're going to fucking find out that would be be annoying to me. Why would I expose my ears to that?

0:07:45 Thomas: Damn it. I forgot to tell him no soundboard stuff.

0:07:55 Thomas: Oh, you can't even hear it? Oh God. This Oh man.

0:08:11 Lydia: Just as a reminder teacher freedom alliance is an anti -teachers union union I guess that's aimed for k through 12

0:08:19 Thomas: Yeah, why not? Why not just have fucking uh we're the called the rotary club we fucking hate rotary we

0:08:26 Eli: We're the anti -health insurance, health insurance, which is we all agree that if we get sick to abandon each other, it's kind of like the opposite of a prayer chain.

0:08:27 Thomas: Just we oh

0:08:36 Lydia: But then she has a problem with her car and instead of talking to like a car insurance company she's talking to a health insurance company like this is an an organization that has nothing to do with higher ed at all. They are K through 12.

0:08:47 Thomas: For a split second I wasn't sure if that was further part of the story her car got messed up then she called the governor about that and said the woke did

0:08:52 Lydia: Oh, yeah. No, no. Yes. Yes, yes.

0:08:56 Eli: My question is, does the head of that organization have any experience, say, jerking off to Jackie Chan movies that might be essential to helping out students who have been victims of the trans woke identity

0:09:06 Lydia: Relevant. Yeah.

0:09:08 Thomas: It yeah allegedly yeah we've covered that right

0:09:13 Lydia: And we will hear from him later. Yes we will hear from him later in this episode. Pin in that Ryan Walters is making an appearance, which means my arch nemesis is back, folks. I thought he was done, but he's not.

0:09:24 Thomas: Eli maybe I need to get your help on this can you just declare an arch nemesis Lydia's decided that she's has an arch nemesis yeah

0:09:31 Eli: And it's ryan walters interesting

0:09:33 Lydia: Of course it's Ryan Brian Walters. Yeah. Why?

0:09:33 Thomas: I is an arch nemesis isn't that like that needs to be like a consensual activity yeah can you just like

0:09:37 Eli: Does it need to be mutual yeah that's the question can you have a one -way arch nemesis

0:09:47 Lydia: Why does the arch mean consent?

0:09:48 Thomas: I think the arch would say no I don't I don'

0:09:50 Eli: That's true but here's the good news lydia as a woman who wants people to know things I'm pretty sure ryan's on board to fight you like he is you just take two of his biggest boxes if you were blocking pornography in his office somehow with your body that's that's strike number trace

0:09:55 Thomas: Know thanks for going through that hun because I always want to keep us anchored to the fact that we are going to be discussing because it's national fucking news a girl's grade on a fucking writing assignment it's not even an important one it's just like a creative right

0:10:21 Lydia: It's not an exam. It's a test. It's the final paper of the year. It's an exam test. 650 words.

0:10:27 Eli: Well a couple of other things to point out she She also CC'd a bunch of, and I'm going to use very heavy air quotes here, reporters, including Turning Points USA, which is where this really saw its platform, right?

0:10:39 Lydia: Yeah, of course. Yeah.

0:10:39 Eli: The Turning Points U .S .A. Facebook page, I believe, is the one that first blasted out her story, and then that got picked up by a bunchof mega pastors and right -wing influencers and stuff like that.

0:10:49 Lydia: Libs of TikTok. Yeah.

0:10:50 Eli: To be clear, she tried to appeal her grade, and when the answer was, ma 'am, this is a Wendy's, she immediately told the Nazi party on them.

0:10:59 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah. Well, she's a member of the chapter at Oklahoma University.

0:11:05 Eli: Yeah. Two other things I want to point out about the backstory that I love so fucking much. So for those of you who haven't taken this kind of course in a psych major, which I did until I realized psychology was hard. So this is a like childhood development course, right? So it's very important to understand that this is not a gender studies course. It's not a section sexuality course right and this essay this that she is reacting to is foundational information right she might as well be asked to react to the origin of species because the essay that she's being asked to React to is not about trans people not about homosexuals it is about how popular you you are based on whether or not you conform to gender stereotypes. But full necky, Sammy Sams saw the word gender,

0:11:17 Lydia: So I took this. Mm hmm. Yep. Nope. Nope? Yep. Yep?

0:11:58 Eli: Knew she had a trans TA and decided to go off on a little right wing rant about her personal beliefs. The important thing to understand about this assignment before we get into how stupid she is, is that there's absolutely nothing about what do you think about this in the assignment right when you are taking a science class like this and you are asked to read a scientific paper or a far -reaching study like this one your job is to summarize what you understand from that paper they do not ask you for 650 words of your fucking hot take on a 2014 14 gender study no no

0:12:35 Thomas: Really that is so funny because I've obviously you know I was kind of saving myself for marriage here and saving myself with this and I've seen stuff I've read stuff but I would have gathered from just the context clues and that's why I'm really glad we fucking do this show I would've gathered it was just like creative writing assignment and it was just like a, you know, I'll just react to this like gendery article thing. And I, like, I genuinely thought that's what it was.

0:12:42 Lydia: Why don't I share what the rubric says? Because we have that it is, as I mentioned, 650 words, double spaced reaction paper. No.

0:13:09 Thomas: I'm out. No, I'm just kidding.

0:13:10 Lydia: Okay. Okay, well, you would have only lost 10 points if you turned in something between 620 and 649 words.

0:13:10 Thomas: I can't, I already can't do it. I can't just say as a student, I already flunked. I imagine getting that close to the amount of words and not finishing.

0:13:25 Eli: It's a page and a half everybody it's an insanely short requirement

0:13:25 Thomas: Yeah. Oh God. So this is like a really hard school, I guess. I was going to say, that was going to be my first thought. Why doesn't she just have ChatGPT do it like a good student?

0:13:30 Eli: Yeah

0:13:40 Lydia: Yeah.

0:13:41 Eli: No you don't have to use a second prompt in the free version of chat gpt in case you're worried I promise you from the very base of my nutsack that samantha spent 11 hours arguing with the chat GPT to try to get it to write

0:13:51 Thomas: To write Christian crap first?

0:13:51 Eli: This essay for her. And it kept being like, I'm sorry, Samantha, I can't be that kind of bigot. I'm trying. Yeah.

0:13:58 Lydia: The rubric includes like possible approaches to the reaction paper. Basically, you have to demonstrate that you read the article and that you have a thoughtful reaction to the material presented in the article. The criteria specifically, 10 points, is there a clear link back to the assigned article? Can the reader assess whether the student has read the assigned particle?

0:14:18 Thomas: Seems important.

0:14:18 Lydia: 10 points for the reaction content. Does the paper provide a reaction, reflection, discussion of some aspect of the article rather than a summary? And then for five points, clarity of writing. Are the main ideas and thoughts organized into a coherent discussion? Is the writing clear enough to follow without multiple rereadings? Those are the three elements that are being evaluated here. Pretty easy. See, and as I said, like the teaching assistant included as part of the rubric possible approaches to reaction papers include and gave eight ideas of how you could respond

0:14:37 Thomas: So pretty like easy, right? I mean, this isn't rocket science.

0:14:49 Thomas: Was one of them starting a culture war?

0:14:50 Lydia: To something like this. The study itself that that eli was talking about just a little more detail here it's actually an experiment that was done with middle school kids to identify not just like their own experience of gender typicality and popularity and likability but they also created like these fake middle schoolers like on paper and then used more like masculine coded things or feminine coded things to either align or disalign with gender typicality and then looked at mental health impacts of what happens when a kid is you know you're a boy but you're not participating in those gender stereotypes of you know participating in sports or you know whatever you like painting your nails or something you know like what happens with that with your popularity with your likability and then then how does that mediate mental health effects?

0:15:49 Thomas: So it's an actual study?

0:15:51 Lydia: Yes. Yes.

0:15:51 Eli: Yeah, yes.

0:15:51 Thomas: Oh, okay. So we're doing, we should be doing actual school here. I did not gather that from the context of everything.

0:15:57 Eli: It's so important to understand also that like, while there are certainly things about this paper that can be read as trans or gay coded, that's not what the study is, right?

0:16:09 Thomas: Really?

0:16:09 Eli: The study is how much conforming to gender stereotypes affects your popularity and how that popularity affects mental health outcomes like it's the most fucking basic ball roll downhill run into dominoes study again 10 points of the 15 points of paper are just did you read it and samantha did not read

0:16:30 Lydia: No, no. She saw gender. I think you're right, Eli, that she saw gender and she just went with it.

0:16:30 Thomas: Yeah. Well, and also you could almost imagine that like, no, I don't know, but like you could imagine that study kind of being used by, you know, shitty people to be like, see, you need to conform to gender stereotypes.

0:16:46 Eli: It oh samantha's got you thomas don't

0:16:48 Thomas: Otherwise, yeah, no. But I'm saying is like, it's not necessarily like a super trans friendly thing. The values aren't necessarily determined just by that scientific information, right? Like it's, this isn't, this is, I'm just saying this isn'T like a gender activist thing, it sounds like. It's just like good science.

0:17:07 Lydia: And I think one of like the examples that they gave were like girls who like computers, that is not gender typical. What happens to their likability if they are a kid like that? That. And further, then they ask questions about like, well, but what if she's attractive? And how does that come into play? So there's a lot of really, really interesting things here.

0:17:21 Thomas: What if she takes her glasses off in the third act?

0:17:28 Lydia: Exactly. Exactly.

0:17:28 Eli: Worry shakes her hair out yeah

0:17:30 Lydia: And you never realized how beautiful. Yeah.

0:17:30 Thomas: Yeah, she's hotter than ever.

0:17:35 Lydia: We're going to spend some time talking about her essay and the assignment and the reaction, all of that stuff. But I wanted to hear from her first, because initially she hadn't really like gone out and done a lot in media. And obviously now she has. She's even been recognized by the Oklahoma legislature for being a hero, I guess.

0:17:51 Eli: I thought you're just gonna say she's been recognized by her forehead but go ahead go ahead whatever you're saying

0:17:57 Thomas: She has resting, you know, some people don't have maps face. I'm probably being sexist, but that's what her face looks like. It just looks like there's people who don't have maps.

0:18:07 Eli: There's something true about eugenics based on woman who decides to betray her sex versus forehead size riley gain giant forehead this woman giant forehead you ready for my perfect like fucking colombo moment charlie kirk world's largest fucking forehead

0:18:18 Lydia: Interesting. Yes.

0:18:18 Thomas: Man. Ooh, holy shit. We need to start measuring skulls, but for good.

0:18:29 Lydia: That never

0:18:30 Eli: I think it's because the skull keeps growing to try to make room for more brain like it hears all the stuff that comes out of your mouth and it's like they must just need need more space back in brain let's give him some room yes exactly yeah

0:18:37 Lydia: Happens. Very

0:18:42 Thomas: Yeah, like a plant that grew into the ceiling. It's like, oh, yeah, you need more room for for it. Okay.

0:18:47 Lydia: Interesting.

0:18:48 Eli: The cracked concrete of the city streets of full necky's forehead

0:18:54 Thomas: That's not a crazy theory. I'm like, I want to hear more. That is all I'm saying. I am not ruling it out.

0:18:59 Eli: Can I say more scientific than her

0:19:02 Lydia: That's probably accurate. Yeah, so this is Samantha Filnecki, junior from Missouri originally, attends Oklahoma University now. She's a psychology major. And apparently on the pre -med track, I was really surprised to read that. I've like searched to confirm.

0:19:13 Thomas: In the same way that I'm on the pre -med track, I'm not there yet. Yeah. Yeah.

0:19:19 Eli: Paper sure yeah we're all on the pre -med track in that we own a copy of ticket to ride

0:19:26 Lydia: There was part of me where it was like, you know, I spent some time on the psychology page for Oklahoma University, like on their actual academic page and like trying to find the syllabus, first of all, for this class. And they have a course, I don't remember what they they call it exactly, but they like grouped courses together based on what you might want to pursue later. And there's a pre -med cluster. I think it's a cluster is what they say, course clusters. And I was like, well, are people in the news just saying she was pre -ed because this class is in that cluster? I've seen it in enough places and she hasn't like disputed it at all. So I feel like that would be kind of a big swing, but I'm going to go with it. Apparently pre -Med. Let's hear from her. This is via Fox News Digital. And we're just going to listen to the first couple minutes. She obviously goes on, but we only need a little taste. Add. Oh, no, just the logo.

0:20:15 Eli: I was gonna say she's sneaking up behind me right now in a hockey mask

0:20:19 Thomas: Jesus,

0:20:19 Clip: I was asked to read an article and give my opinion on the article. And the article was about gender binary and um mental health and gender stereotypes um specifically

0:20:26 Eli: No you weren't no it wasn't that yeah

0:20:30 Lydia: No, it wasn't.

0:20:34 Clip: In children because it's a lifespan development class so I was asked to give my opinion and my reaction to the paper and prior to this assignment I've been in the class all semester so prior to this assignment, I've gotten a hundred percent on every single paper, every writing assignment in that class. So I did this assignment the same as I would any other in that class and gave my opinion on gender binary and gender stereotypes. And that naturally my views are from the Bible

0:20:39 Eli: No you weren't one would hope

0:20:52 Thomas: What an easy class.

0:20:56 Eli: Did you

0:21:03 Lydia: Unsolicited.

0:21:05 Eli: No

0:21:09 Thomas: Naturally.

0:21:10 Clip: And my Christian kind of worldview. And so that's what I wrote about. And I didn't think anything of it, I turned it in and assumed that I would get an a hundred because that's what I've gotten in all the other writing assignments. And so then about a week later, um, I received a zero on it from the, uh, teaching assistant and, um. He left submission comments saying that, uh. My work was

0:21:16 Thomas: And some people don't even have maps.

0:21:19 Eli: I agree with you and hundred jesus fucking christ

0:21:34 Thomas: Yeah.

0:21:40 Lydia: He, by the way, she misgendered him. Yeah.

0:21:43 Thomas: Oh, oh, I didn't. Oh, okay. That's important to say to people like me who don't know the whole story. Yeah.

0:21:47 Eli: Oh yeah no that's why this exists

0:21:47 Lydia: Yeah, so exactly. The teaching assistant is the instructor for this lifespan development course, and she is is a transgender woman. And obviously, Samantha Fulneke misgenders her throughout this entire video. But I just wanted to get the first one there.

0:22:04 Eli: Yeah no let's get it right out of the way if they had googled this teaching assistant and my face had popped up they would been like you're lucky he didn't fucking hit you samantha what are you doing talking back to your graduate teaching assistant no this is this is hey guys I found an opportunity to pick on a trans person let's do it three two one team trans folks

0:22:23 Clip: Offensive, that I need more empathy in my writing things like if I'm going to argue, um against the the consensus of every medical field

0:22:27 Eli: Say um again

0:22:33 Thomas: Every medical, every medical field. Holy crap. The kid cancer people are like, yeah, we looked at their penises and vaginas and we think that, you know, like every medical field is in on the gender stuff. I think there's some that don't bother with that.

0:22:33 Clip: And every medical association in the United States, then I need empirical evidence to back that, but there's no empirical evidence or any evidence required anywhere in the instructions

0:22:48 Lydia: Yeah, she's obviously wildly misconstruing that.

0:23:01 Thomas: Personally, is that a cut that,

0:23:02 Lydia: Yeah, it was a cut.

0:23:02 Eli: Her mouth fell open and a giant bug slid out of her eye socket and said earth isn't worth it can we go back out to the spaceship so they cut that

0:23:13 Lydia: So I want to set the stage here with just let's talk about what that assignment was. I have the study itself, which I'll include for folks in the show notes. Yeah. I should.

0:23:24 Eli: I included for samantha oh

0:23:27 Lydia: And then Eli, I have a full essay and maybe we can get a little reading from you about how she approached this. There's nothing about gender binary here at all. That's nonsense from Samantha. There's nothing about even being gay. Like this is specifically about how kids express themselves and if the way they express themselves is within the stereotype or not and what happens to their popularity and then their mental health as a result of that potentially. Yeah. It's really interesting.

0:23:57 Eli: And samantha's reaction is I would like to be an example of the problem sorry um I would um like to be an um of the problem

0:24:06 Thomas: Yeah well hers is short enough that I was hoping we could get an eli reading of it right or is

0:24:13 Lydia: Yeah, no, Eli, I sent over the link over in the Facebook.

0:24:22 Thomas: It yeah scroll past all the nudes

0:24:24 Eli: Let me uh yeah I am in a facebook chat with the smiths be jelly all right here we go here we go oh she made it to the full two pages everybody so get ready

0:24:29 Thomas: Well sherry did better than I would

0:24:31 Eli: This article was very thought -provoking and caused me to thoroughly evaluate the idea of gender and the role it plays in our society. The article discussed peers using teasing as a way to enforce gender norms. I do not necessarily see this as a problem. God made male and female and made us differently from each other on purpose and for a purpose. God is very intentional with what he makes, and I believe trying to change that would only do more harm. Gender roles and tendencies should not be considered stereotypes.

0:25:17 Eli: Women naturally want to do womanly things because God created us

0:25:17 Thomas: Have what are you doing in school idiot

0:25:22 Eli: With those womanly desires in

0:25:27 Thomas: God doesn't want us to even listen to you why are you what why are fucking why can you even

0:25:32 Eli: Our hearts. The same goes for men. God created men in the image. I'm writing my psych paper right now. Now, God, hey, hey students, if you listen to this podcast, just bring it in folks, bring it, take a knee. If you ever find yourself writing an academic paper in your psychology class about child development and you find yourself reading the sentence, God created men, just go and take a break. You've been studying for too long. It's time to hop onto AI and have someone else write that. Yeah.

0:25:36 Thomas: Read yeah yeah school's not for you do something

0:26:05 Eli: She continues. Sorry. God created man in the image of his courage and strength. And he created women in the image of his beauty. He intentionally created women differently than men. And we should live our lives with that in mind. But I know what you guys are thinking. It's me again.

0:26:14 Lydia: God's very hot. Yeah.

0:26:15 Thomas: Else jesus christ wait

0:26:24 Eli: Hi, it's Eli. No, no, there's more. You're probably thinking like, okay, full necky, which is your real name. How do you feel about this? Right? Because we've a lot of science, a lot of facts, right?

0:26:24 Thomas: Was that the end oh okay yeah we've got a lot of objective objective objective facts about the situation of the universe

0:26:41 Eli: A lot of straight science, straight down the middle about who God created manly versus womanly.

0:26:45 Thomas: Yeah data observations measurements you

0:26:48 Lydia: Manly versus womanly.

0:26:49 Eli: But this is where she opens her heart, not just to the Lord, but to us. It is frustrating to me when I read articles like this and discussion posts from my classmates of so many people trying to conform to the same mundane opinions. So they do not step on people's toes I think that it is a cowardly and insincere way to live it is important to use you need to hear the swelling trombones in the background by the way it is to use the freedom of speech we have been given in this country and I personally believe that eliminating gender in our society would be detrimental as it pulls us farther from God's original plan for humans. It is perfectly normal for kids to follow gender stereotypes because that is how God made us. The reason so many girls want to feel womanly and care for others in a motherly way is not because they feel pressured to fit into social norms.

0:26:57 Thomas: Know oh my god no

0:28:01 Eli: It It is because God created and chose them to reflect his beauty and his compassion in that way. Now, I know what you're thinking. I'm thinking to yourself, okay, well, that's great. I'm so glad you opened your heart. That really feels very scientific. But does she have any sources? What's the bibliography life? I'm glad you asked. In Genesis, God says that it is not good for man to be alone. Loan. So he created a helper for a man, which is a woman. Many people assume the word helper in this context to be condescending and offensive to women. Do you all fucking hear how far from the goddamn scientific study she

0:28:47 Lydia: Yeah, it's so crazy. Crazy.

0:28:47 Thomas: This is nothing this is fucking nothing nothing, yeah,

0:28:48 Eli: Was asked to read? This is, I send messages at three in the morning into Thomas that make more sense than this mother. Yes, many people assume that the word helper in this context to be condescending and offensive to women. However, the original word in Hebrew is Ezer Keknedo.

0:28:54 Thomas: That are closer to this literal assignment and prompt, wow, we're really getting into, okay, getting some academic thought here,

0:29:15 Eli: Yeah. Do you think anyone else in the class did the original translation of a Hebrew word and there's 650 word response I doubt it anyways and directly translates to helper equal two can we stop for just a second so I can nitpick this because I do just have to point this out first of all there's no fucking version of the bible she's reading that says helper it's help meat

0:29:30 Lydia: Please.

0:29:38 Thomas: Help me, yeah and help me yeah,

0:29:39 Eli: Um because it was a societal stratification right exactly and she knows that also the original hebrew which I do not know what the fuck she did phonetically here but I went all the way down this rabbit hole to find it out, it doesn't mean helper equal to. It means fucking help me, right? Because there's a word for slave and there's word for help me. So just to be clear, even in her weird off -topic rant, she is actually wrong about what she's saying. Anyways, additionally, God describes himself in the Bible using ezer kegnegdo, or helper. No, he doesn't. And he describes his Holy Spirit as our helper as well. This shows the importance God places on the role of the helper, women's roles. God does not view women as less significant than men. He created us with such intentionality and care. Oh, oh yeah. He creative us with such, and I'm used to reading my own writing where I have to correct that shit. So yeah, he created us was such intentionally in care and he made women in his image of being a a helper and in the image of his beauty this is the third time in the essay she said if

0:30:03 Lydia: Oh, interesting. Oh no, it's not intentional. Intentionally. Yeah.

0:30:38 Thomas: Yeah no, no, you don't get, she doesn't get your help, what, this is a fucking psychology class, she's a junior, I

0:30:53 Lydia: She's a junior in college. Yeah, no, she's a senior. She's a junior and pre -med, supposedly.

0:30:54 Eli: She's a junior

0:30:56 Thomas: Assume she was 18 years old and just got into school. Oh, my God.

0:31:02 Eli: Yes keep in mind that like if she weren't lying about being pre -med she would be admitted to med school in the summer of next year if your doctor walked into the room and was like he created us with such intentionally I would grab the nearest wagovi shot and just inject it into my own eyeball.

0:31:17 Thomas: Bye. I mean, I got to go. Yeah. Oh, My God.

0:31:27 Eli: If leaning into that role means that I am following gender stereotypes, then I am happy to be following a stereotype that aligns with the gifts and abilities God gave me as a woman.

0:31:42 Thomas: As a women, does it really say as a women? Oh, man. That would have been funny.

0:31:43 Lydia: It says it's a woman.

0:31:43 Eli: No, it says woman. I do not think men and women are pressured to be more masculine or feminine. She's raw -dogging it. She would have done this in a vacuum.

0:31:50 Thomas: No, no. Yeah. You're just doing it right now. Yeah. She's literally pressuring people to be more feminine. You're doing it.

0:32:00 Eli: I strongly strongly disagree with the idea from the article that encouraging acceptance of diverse gender expressions could improve students' confidence. Society pushing the lie that there are multiple genders and everyone should... Okay,

0:32:15 Thomas: There's only one gender, guys. There are not multiple genders.

0:32:19 Lydia: Not even two. Yeah.

0:32:21 Eli: Listen to this, and I want you to consider that if you were sitting on a subway car and you heard someone say this sentence, how quickly you would get off the train. Yes.

0:32:26 Thomas: I would rather someone do one of those dances. I would rather someone hold me up, turn on, get out the boombox. Yeah. Every single time.

0:32:34 Lydia: Showtime.

0:32:34 Eli: Oh, I'll take Showtime every time. Yes, please. Think about this and really think about the fact that like 40 % of this country is like, that girl deserved a fucking name, man. Damn fuck, that fucking, that lady who done, was her boss, said he didn't like her because she didn't, he didn'T, they didn'T because they don'T. Okay, listen to this fucking sentence and think about these are who people want for their doctors. Society pushing the lie that there are multiple and everyone should be whatever they want to be is demonic and severely harms American youth. I do not want kids to be teased or bullied in school. However, pushing the lie that everyone has their own truth and everyone can do whatever they want, and be whoever they want.

0:33:33 Eli: It's not biblical whatsoever. Hey, I know you're listening to this podcast. I just want to jump in real quick to remind you, I did not make up any of her words just now. I'm just reading that sentence, a sentence that should be followed with, ow, ow, you tased me. You tased Me. I Just Wanted My Chipotle. You Tased Me."

0:33:57 Eli: The Bible says that our lives are not our own, but that our lives and bodies belong to the Lord for his glory. I live my life based on his truth and firmly believe that there would be less gender issues and insecurities in children if they were raised knowing that they do not belong to themselves, but they belong to the Lord. Overall, reading articles, I have, okay,

0:33:56 Thomas: Less gender issues overall time to time to sum it up conclusion in conclusion no

0:34:29 Eli: Have I told you guys about I have spoken? Spoken okay so you know how I'm psychotic and occasionally I get a thing in my head where I'm like this is true and I repeat it until anyone in the world goes I'm gonna google that and it's not true so

0:34:32 Thomas: Yes yeah

0:34:42 Lydia: Yes we are well aware of this

0:34:43 Thomas: We do know that

0:34:46 Eli: Here's the thing that got into my head in high school and it reminds me of this essay in high School I do not know where this came from it's wildly offensive there's no truth to it whatsoever I got it into my Head in High School that First Nation kids were allowed to end their their essays with I have spoken, like that that was officially an allowed thing. They were allowed to do it. I think the only other person who believed that in any point in history is Samantha Fulnecki, based on how she ends this.

0:35:05 Thomas: What you just made up hate

0:35:21 Eli: Overall, reading articles such as this one encourage me to one day raise my children, knowing that they have a heavenly father who loves them and cherishes them deeply and that having their identity firmly rooted in who he is will give them the satisfaction and acceptance that the world can never provide for them my prayer for the world you're probably wondering what's my prayer für die world did you know and this is true I checked no other student put their prayer for die world

0:35:18 Lydia: Yeah I have spoken yeah

0:35:20 Thomas: Crimes oh man she got us dang yeah yeah as a professor wow

0:35:56 Lydia: Yeah.

0:35:56 Eli: In this essay isn't that crazy it's crazy they They fucking missed it right there on the rubric. Five points. Your prayer for the world. My prayer for the world and specifically for American society and youth.

0:35:57 Thomas: They must have missed the assignment yeah what's your prayer for the world yeah oh it's good she did that because the prayer for the world in the rubric it said be specific it was like specificity

0:36:15 Eli: Yeah, no, it's true. Also, like your prayer for France. Come on. And youth is that they would not believe the lies being spread from Satan that make them believe they are better off as another gender than what God made them. Them, I pray that they feel God's love and acceptance as who he originally created them to be."

0:36:40 Lydia: There you go. Yeah.

0:36:41 Thomas: Jesus fucking christ that is insanity a zero was too good of a grade this should be as an escort out of the class

0:36:46 Eli: Nuts! Yes! In

0:36:52 Lydia: If you look back on the rubric to clear title article. No, there is not a clear title. Article reaction content. Is there some aspect of the article rather than a summary? There's nothing related to the article. So that's a zero.

0:37:05 Eli: The way that swelling up if you're allergic to shellfish is a reaction, right?

0:37:08 Thomas: Well and that's a good point because I've seen again I've kind of just absorbed some of the zeitgeist on this and I've seen we can get into it but the debate over like oh well maybe she shouldn't have gotten a zero and maybe she a lot of people are just saying well she just was asked to react and it's like, okay, but you have to react to the article. Like you can't be like, this was an article on, I don't fucking know, math or something. This is an article on like the polar ice caps melting. And then she gives you this. That's not a reaction to the article.

0:37:40 Thomas: You can, you can argue in the broadest sense that it was a reaction that occurred after in time to her, maybe, maybe reading the article and

0:37:49 Lydia: It's like she took an insane Tumblr post of hers and just turned that in.

0:37:54 Thomas: I, I really am glad we're going through this because, like, this is a zero. This deserves a zero, it is a zero. You didn't react to the article if the science that she read is about mental health outcomes as a result of conforming to gender stereotypes, etc., etc. This is not a reaction to that. This is a reaction to, like... Someone gave Evil Universe Christian Robin Williams the word gender, and he's like, gender, gender! And then he did, like four...

0:38:18 Eli: Right. Yeah, no, this is a response to seeing the word gender and having a trans graduate student in your section and being like, oh goody, here's my chance. The other thing that's really important to understand about this is that despite Samantha's Samantha -ness, she's aware of what REACT means, right? She is a junior in college. She is an psych major. She has already been told that reacting to an article, she has already been trained that reacting an article is not let us know what you reckon, right. So, yeah, yeah.

0:38:51 Lydia: Yeah well she specifically says that she got 100s on all of her other reaction papers so she knows how to do it

0:38:58 Thomas: I wish we could get some some of those.

0:39:01 Eli: She knows how to do it and so should most college juniors, right, so part of yeah

0:39:04 Thomas: Junior, I just assumed. I assumed this was like day fucking one. I guess it's December, but I assume this was early in her college.

0:39:12 Lydia: And like she's just not cut out for college kind of thing yeah

0:39:14 Thomas: Yeah, that's honest. I can't believe, I would have sworn that that was information that I got from a real source, but Ely'd it. I Ely'D it. Well, in defense of me, it was based on indicators that are in the world, you know?

0:39:23 Eli: I have spoken yeah based on how she writes

0:39:31 Thomas: Yeah which is a step above Eli's give us

0:39:32 Eli: Sentences but like she understands what react means and people in the education space especially the psych education space understand what reacts means the reason why the word react is being used by those right -wing sources because they know that laymen think react means let us know know what you think right give us your take right

0:39:53 Thomas: Your take it's not reacting in a podcast sense yeah

0:39:57 Eli: It's using that double speak right and this also brings like a really important thing up and lydia I don't know if you were going to get to this because you're much smarter than me but like when you read this essay what is very obvious to me is that this is a right winger right who has moved into college with the specific goal of stirring shit and becoming a right -wing figurehead, right?

0:40:21 Eli: And this paper was an attempt to do this. This was a calculated attempt to victimize a trans person in a position of authority to complain about something, to get herself in trouble so that she could play the victim. Like, I want to be very clear because I think ground that's accidentally been given in this is that, like, Fulnecki's just an idiot who then went and tattled with consequences, consequences all of this is on purpose right but she's an evil idiot

0:40:21 Lydia: No, it's calculated.

0:40:45 Thomas: She is an idiot though I want to be very clear yeah

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0:40:59 Lydia: This is very calculated. There's a couple reasons why I feel that way. One is, again, four hours after she spoke with the instructor about changing her grade and was rejected for that, went to the governor. That is not a normal next step for anybody.

0:41:10 Thomas: Yeah the governor that wouldn't have even occurred to me I'd stupid even say that like it wouldn't even have occurred to to me for to a complain to anyone else about anything involved in getting a bad grade and class except for the teacher you know like actually you know just figure out what you needed to do for reals than the assignment but the governor oh wow yeah

0:41:30 Lydia: Right. Yeah, she doesn't go to any other psychology professor. It's graded by a grad student and then they got like an independent second grade from another grad student. Yep. They said the same thing. Mm -hmm. Yeah. They said the same thing.

0:41:42 Thomas: I thought I saw something about that and they said the same thing right didn't they say yeah this sucks oh man can we read that do you have that uh

0:41:48 Eli: Were actually harder on

0:41:51 Lydia: Yeah, yeah, I have it. Did you want me to read the initial instructor as well? Yeah. I have all that stuff.

0:41:54 Thomas: Oh yeah oh sorry yeah you're right we should we should do all that unless, uh, Eli wants to, although this is not a dump doing it. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's better casting. That's better casting! Yeah.

0:42:00 Eli: Her yeah no I'd have to keep that respectful yeah no do a get a really get that ta get that person who's afraid for their life right

0:42:00 Lydia: Yep, let me do it. Let me do it. All

0:42:08 Eli: Now lydia really fucking get this bullied graduate student who's desperately trying to survive the next two weeks of internet infamy right

0:42:09 Thomas: Just roast him. Who, by the way, I'm going to guess, having not even seen this, I'M GOING TO GUESS THIS IS INCREDIBLY DIPLOMATIC AND RELATIVE TO WHAT IT SHOULD BE, WHICH IS, GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE, YOU IDIOT. Yeah relative to that, I'm going to imagine this is like, this is the kind of reaction that if this were anything other than Christian nonsense, the very conservative Christian types would be like, teachers are coddling kids. You know, like that's what I'm gonna guess this is gonna be.

0:42:43 Lydia: Yeah please note that I am not deducting points because you have certain beliefs, but instead I am deducting points for you posting a reaction paper that does not answer the questions for this assignment, contradicts itself, heavily uses personal ideology over empirical evidence in a scientific class, and is at times offensive. While you are entitled to your own personal beliefs, there is an appropriate time or place to implement them in your reflections. I encourage all students to question or challenge the course material with other empirical findings or testable hypotheses, but using your own professional beliefs to argue against the the findings of not only this article, but the findings of countless articles across psychology, biology, sociology, et cetera, is not best practice. You argue that abiding by normative gender roles is beneficial. It is perfectly fine to believe this. But to then say that everyone should act the same while also saying that people aren't pressured into gendered expectations is contradictory, especially since your arguments reflect a religious pressure to act in gender stereotypical ways. You can say that strict gender norms don't create gender stereotypes, but that isn't true by definition of what a stereotype is. Please note that acknowledging gender stereotypes does not immediately denote a negative connotation, a nuance this article discusses.

0:43:53 Thomas: If you would have fucking read it, loser.

0:43:54 Lydia: Additionally, to call an entire group of people demonic is highly offensive, especially a minoritized population. You are entitled to your own beliefs, but this isn't a vague narrative of, quote, society pushes lies, but instead the result of countless years developing psychological and scientific evidence for these claims and directly interacting with the communities involved. You may personally disagree with this, but that doesn't change the fact that every major psychological, medical, pediatric, and psychiatric association in the United States acknowledges that, biologically and psychologically, sex and gender is neither binary nor fixed. I implore you apply some more perspective and empathy in your work. If you personally disagree with the findings, then by all means, share your criticisms, but make sure to do so in a way that is appropriate and using the methodology of empirical psychology as aligned with the learning goals in this class. If you have any additional questions or concerns about this or would like some additional educational resources, I would be happy to discuss this further and provide you with them.

0:44:47 Thomas: Is that the end?

0:44:48 Lydia: That was the first instructor, yes.

0:44:50 Eli: Can I I call out this ta on something because I know they've been harassed and we'll talk about the other consequences that they've undergone for all the nothing they did wrong but I think it's only fair that we point out that if you read that essay and you thought that that person who wrote that essay was going to understand the paragraph that lydia just read that's on you my friend that's on you you should have bitten a sad face your comment should have been sad face how come you you know talk about paper and then you insert the gif of the cat looking for its phone right on the bed and you say me looking for you referring for this paper like do you think samantha fulnecki of satan sent the transes to get us is going to be like oh my gosh gosh, I did not realize that every major psychological organization was in disagreement with my biblical worldview. Luckily, I am ontologically open and I would love to have a conversation with you so I can further educate myself. What are you fucking doing? K. You know what you do? You write the word K, you hit send, and then you immediately go to the other grad student and you're like I'm gonna need you to grade this one I can hear charlie kirk's ghost jerking off yes

0:45:31 Lydia: Oh, my God. Amazing.

0:45:39 Thomas: I didn't grapple with okay yeah I'm gonna need the I'm gonna need the whitest malest christianist oldest privileged person to do the grading please I can't handle this

0:46:26 Eli: In me I would go to the president of the I would go to a member of the board sir ruffington hambleton iii and he'd be like no no let's have a look at this young lady not handwritten not proper for a lady oh this is this this fucking sucks yeah no give her a zero and find out if she has any mixed blood in her because I think that's the problem she's

0:46:53 Lydia: She does um her mom is uh is native american Yeah, her mom is insane. Yeah.

0:46:57 Thomas: One what oh well her mom's also insane I don't know if we're gonna talk about that

0:47:02 Eli: Spoken yeah

0:47:04 Lydia: Okay, so then we get from the second instructor.

0:47:06 Thomas: Okay so she's appealed I'd like a second opinion oh

0:47:08 Eli: Okay second second instructor is my fucking hero truly thomas this is you in another life this is absolutely you in Another

0:47:16 Thomas: Can I be a second instructor as a part -time job to just be like yeah that's fucking

0:47:22 Eli: Life I

0:47:24 Lydia: Okay, this instructor says, Samantha, I am the other instructor for this course, and I've also taken the time to read your paper. I concur with Mel on the grade you received. This paper should not be considered as a completion of the assignment. Everyone has different ways in which they see the world, but in an academic course such as this, you are being asked to support your ideas with empirical evidence and higher level reasoning. I find it concerning that you state at the beginning of your paper that you do not think bullying is a bad thing. In addition, your paper directly and harshly criticizes your peers and their opinions, which are just as valuable as yours. Disagreeing with others is fine, but there is a respectful way to go about it. That goes for discussion posts as well as reaction papers. Please employ more thoughtfulness in your future assignments.

0:47:27 Thomas: Stupid yeah

0:48:05 Eli: Love that this teacher had to be like oh sorry real quick just to remind you you're in college not writing the last twitter post before that particular x account gets

0:48:18 Lydia: I do wonder too where she says that goes for discussion posts as well as reaction papers. That almost makes me feel like maybe she got into some nonsense.

0:48:25 Thomas: Well didn't she say in the paper there was something about I like, I don't like when I see the discussion posts that are, and I love how this is what I'm coming to realize. Well, I mean, I've long realized, but it was a thought I've had, I was having recently, uh, when I sat through that fucking daily interview with a fucking FIRE.org guy that I don, I, God damn it. Anyway, what happens is these people who, um, are, are sort of, well, I dunno if this applies to her so much, but in general, the observation is people are Are really, really affected by those around them and they perceive the people around them to be like what it is everywhere. So like she thinks that the boring, blase, run of the mill opinion is that, hey, maybe we shouldn't bully kids that have slightly different like gender presentation. But the boring blase opinion of our society is apparently that we should bully

0:48:44 Lydia: Greg Lukianoff.

0:49:22 Thomas: Kids and that trans people don't exist. That's the overwhelming fucking consensus of our stupid public but because she somehow faked her way into college I don't know how I don'T KNOW HOW THE FUCK SHE'S EVEN ENDED UP THERE SHE IS SURROUNDED BY UH I GUESS AND AND AND REALLY OH WE 'LL GET GET YOU 'LL HAVE TO GIVE ME GIVE ME THAT IN A MINUTE BUT LIKE SOMEHOW SHE'S IN COLLEGE AND SHE'S I IMAGINE AND SHE's AT OKLAHOMA WHATEVER THIS CAN'T BE THAT LIKE LIBERAL OF A PLACE OF

0:49:35 Lydia: Tennis. She never played. Yeah, she never played mm -hmm no yeah

0:49:51 Thomas: A COLLEGES I MEAN COLLEGES IN in general are more liberal than the surrounding areas but like because there's a handful of people there who are probably respectful of like people's fucking pronouns she thinks that's the whole world everybody's like uniform in thought we're all these drones that blah blah blah and and I'll be honest I fell for this in in college as well you know like coming from a conservative background and going to college I felt like I was the one who was thinking more originally and clearly and And all these idiot liberals that I was with were like brainwashed. But it's just not fucking true. It's just Not At All True.

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0:50:31 Thomas: All right. Well, we actually had so much to say. And there were more developments in this story. So we're actually going to be back for a part two on this. There was too much Christian Girl paper stuff to keep in one part. So in part two, we're going to talk about the school's reaction, what they did. Jokes will be made. Fun will be had.

0:50:51 Thomas: I can't wait. All right, well, another big thanks to Eli Bosnick, for coming on. Always love having Eli on. So much fun. And there's even more. So thanks, Wokies. We'll see you for part two.

0:50:58 Lydia: The best one two I'm just

0:51:29 Thomas: Now, here at Where There's Woke, we do a 48 count.

0:51:34 Lydia: Kidding that's why everything takes so

0:51:34 Thomas: So 48, 47, 46. This is amazing inside podcast jokes that no one understands, but that's okay.

0:51:43 Lydia: Long yeah

0:51:37 Eli: Banned yeah it's mostly counts two or three of my co -hosts are loving it

0:51:46 Lydia: Yeah exactly if he listens to this

0:51:47 Thomas: Oh, that's true. I think Heath listens to this sometimes, maybe. We'll see. Or he just tells me. It might be because of your freaking Ryan Walters obsession.

0:51:56 Lydia: Yeah I'm on here a lot it'll be edited

0:52:01 Thomas: It'll be edited, but we'll be leaving all of your worst stuff in.

0:52:03 Eli: Okay good nice that's important yeah It's just outtakes of all my worst stuff even though they heard it good

0:52:04 Lydia: And also adding it to the end too so people hear it twice yeah yeah yep yep.

0:52:14 Eli: So I don't know what I just played but I got four buttons we're gonna find out today we're going to fucking find out that would be annoying to

0:52:19 Thomas: Oh, you can't even hear it? Yeah.

0:52:30 Eli: Me I do not want kids to be teased or bullied in school however how come you know talk about paper earth isn't worth it can we go back out to the spaceship I'll see ya.