The Part of Collections Collector

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0:00:46 Thomas: Hello and welcome to Opening Arguments. It is Thursday and that means it's time for a bar exam question. That's right, it's Thomas Takes the Bar Exam Thursday, T3BET. I'm Thomas, that over there is the bar exam. How's it going? No, that's Lydia. How are you doing?

0:01:03 Lydia: Pretty good. I guess I better take off this costume, this exam costume I'm wearing.

0:01:08 Thomas: No leave it on.

0:01:08 Lydia: It's getting confusing. Okay, boss.

0:01:13 Thomas: So in a little while, Heather Varanini, bar exam prep expert, will be coming on to give us the answer to last week's impossible question and give us this week's possible question. I'm not doing well. I'm sorry.

0:01:24 Lydia: What you should have done was you should have taken the botched California bar exam, like for real, and then all the people who failed, a bunch of them just got their scores changed to pass. So you should should have just done that.

0:01:40 Thomas: I want to earn it. I don't want to do it like John Adams himself. I don't know. Clarence Darrow had to do this.

0:01:46 Lydia: For no stakes. I'm really glad you said Darrow. I was not sure the Clarence you were going to start talking about. I Was like, Jesus Christ.

0:01:57 Thomas: Oh, no, no. No, he never passed the bar exam. Clarence Darrow himself did it on a podcast way back when. So, yeah, it is the answer to question 72. And of course, we'll get 73. And Lydia hangs out for the intro. And each and every week we shout out our patrons, our top patrons, our hall of famers our all -time greats yeah I think what's important is would they say that I know we would say it but I'm not

0:02:16 Lydia: Some would say our literal best friends. I don't know. I don' t know. Yeah.

0:02:23 Thomas: Sure we have to ask them if they would all say that that's what we do uh on patreon.com we give those folks a weekly shout out they change their names or not and it's always fun so that's the agenda let's see any announcements or anything oh happy birthday I got you a bar exam question yeah chances

0:02:34 Lydia: Oh, yeah. Actually, when folks are hearing this, it is one Matt Cameron's birthday. Happy birthday, Matt.

0:02:44 Lydia: Send him a little note on Blue Sky or on Facebook or on patreon .com slash law. That all would work. Great.

0:02:52 Thomas: Are he'll be blazed out of his mind first birthday yeah and

0:02:55 Lydia: I hope not because he has a rapid response Friday to record.

0:02:58 Thomas: Probably court and stuff but no after

0:03:00 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah, after that, he can do whatever he wants. After show notes. That's you hear me, Matt? Yes.

0:03:02 Thomas: That yeah well uh yeah happy birthday to matt I'm sure I'll be wishing him a ravaged response friday happy birthday as well but that's funny everyone should go go find him wish him a happy birthday after this break our usual break which you can avoid at patreon .com slash law we'll be on with heather for the bar exam question and lydia you'll have to hang out just sit there twirl your thumbs get ready to thank those patrons practice

0:03:25 Lydia: Okay. I do every week. Okay, yeah. Red leather, yellow leather, red leather, red leather.

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0:03:38 Thomas: Veronini how you doing

0:03:40 Heather: I'm doing great. I've been outside. I been planting some flowers. I'm in the sunshine. How are you?

0:03:42 Thomas: Today so how much property do you now own just all kinds of it we'll

0:03:46 Heather: Listen, well, the guys in the back repairing the fence, I am making sure that they are sticking to that fence line. That's what I'm doing.

0:03:52 Thomas: See I'm just planting a flower everywhere here and there to see if I can own anyone's property by doing that it's uh yeah it's an investment it's a it's it's the long game for sure so yeah really interesting one once you remind folks what question 72

0:03:59 Heather: Gratuitous flower planting. Well, our friend Lily, she owned a large piece of land next to her neighbor, Nancy, but there was no real clear boundary between them. And so 30 years ago, Lily decided she was going to plant a flower garden on part of the land that she thought belonged to her, but it it actually did not. Since she started planting the garden, she continued to take care of it on a weekly basis. And then five years ago, Nancy ends up in prison for insider trading. And then recently she died and her executor filed suit to eject Lily to quiet title. So we're trying to figure out the best answer regarding Lily's claim to the land and where she planted her flower garden. Was that going to be A, Lily cannot claim title by adverse possession because planting a a flower garden is not sufficient for actual use. B, Lily cannot acquire title to the land because Nancy was imprisoned. C, Lily can not acquire title because she has committed ameliorative waste. Or D, Lily acquired title by adverse possession. I heard you say that this was a real property question and you were absolutely correct. And you were also right. There's a question about adverse possession, the

0:05:11 Thomas: But is that the same as squatter's rights? That's the thing that I, right? Because I think I was wrong if it's not.

0:05:16 Heather: Way that you described squatters rights is that you're on someone else's land that you don't own and you're spending time there. And then over a course of a period of time, if you meet that statute of limitations, then it becomes yours. Yeah, that's generally the same as adverse possession. Yeah. Yes. And I'll explain a little bit more about the details of adverse possession, its ownership of property, it's transferred to a person who possesses the land for what's referred to as that statutorily prescribed amount of time and then meet some other requirements. Like you said, they're trespassing. And so we're just trying to figure out whether or not that they can keep, do they meet those requirements? And then can they have title to the land. So the requirements are that their use must be continuous, it must be open and notorious, it must be actual and exclusive, and it must also be hostile.

0:05:27 Thomas: Oh, good. Okay. So I got there. Hostile. Wow.

0:06:04 Heather: Yes. Yeah, is that like angry? I promise we're gonna get there.

0:06:04 Thomas: Okay, so it's going to come down to, was Lily gardening angrily? Was it freaking Nancy or insider treating? Did she plant happier looking flowers or like meaner looking ones? I think that's also going to be important.

0:06:14 Heather: Exactly. That's, yeah, which flowers from Alice in Wonderland were they?

0:06:22 Thomas: Yeah, it's like Venus fly traps or something or is it? I don't know.

0:06:25 Heather: One of the requirements is that possession of the land must be continuous, which means that it has to be uninterrupted through the statutory period. And here we have the fact that tells us that the statute of limitations for this particular jurisdiction is 21 years. All that really means here is that our friend Lily has to be using the land continuously for 21 years without really any break in time, more or less.

0:06:47 Thomas: But how is does that define? Because like weekly would be, well, you could say she's taking a break every single week, you know, but what's a break? How do you define that?

0:06:56 Heather: So for example, so let's say that you leave and you don't use the land for like five years, that's a break. But more really the issue is whether or not it's consistent with the type of property that's being used. So I think a good example here, more to your question, is like if it's a summer house and you're using it only during the summer, then that break in time between, let's say, one summer to the next makes sense because it's seasonal type of property. Does that help?

0:07:19 Thomas: Okay. A little bit context dependent. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. Be like, hey, this summer is in the name, the summer house. It's where I fly my insurrection flags and I have the insurrection flag up all year, so you can't take my land.

0:07:31 Heather: Oh, I have an image in my mind exactly of who I think that that person is. He has beautiful dewy skin. Anyway, sorry. Sorry. Yeah. So we see too that since she's been planting, since using her garden regularly and planting it, that meets that requirement.

0:07:36 Thomas: There's like only one possibility. So yeah. Okay. Okay. Makes sense.

0:07:50 Heather: Then we have open and notorious. And what this really means is that, sorry.

0:07:52 Thomas: She's a notorious flower. She is wanted in every country for flower planting. Notorious L -I -L -Y.

0:08:02 Heather: That's not quite what it means. It just means that she uses the land like a true owner would. And in a way that basically puts the true owner on notice that it's a trespass. Yeah. And you kind of talked about this a little bit. Basically what you have to do on the land is that you have do it out in the open so that let's say that the owner walks by, right? They're going to know that there's someone trespassing.

0:08:21 Thomas: I think I did have this component essentially. And I do think this qualifies, right? I think it probably ticks that box.

0:08:28 Heather: Yeah, exactly. If you walk by and someone's on your land and they're gardening and you're like, hey, that's not my land. I can see that you're using it.

0:08:34 Thomas: Hey, it's Lily, the notorious gardener, angrily potting plants.

0:08:39 Heather: Exactly. That has to be open and notorious. That's exactly it. Now, if someone is doing something under the cover of night, deep in the forest, that is different, right?

0:08:50 Thomas: Yeah.

0:08:50 Heather: That raises another question about whether or not that's, but that's what we have here. And then we have actual.

0:08:56 Thomas: Here we go. Yeah.

0:08:56 Heather: So the adverse possessor requires physical presence. So you have to be physically present on the land. No drone dropping, I guess, is how I imagine that would be.

0:09:05 Thomas: Interesting.

0:09:05 Heather: And the other one is that it has to be exclusive, which generally means that the possessor or the person who's using it isn't sharing with the public at large or generally with the owner. They're not both using it together. And then our last one is hostile. And it doesn't really mean angry, even though it sounds like it. It just means that they are entered onto the land without the owner's permission.

0:09:26 Heather: So what we're always looking for in that fact pattern is whether or not, the person, yeah.

0:09:30 Thomas: Interesting. So if you let the squatters on your property, that actually takes away their ability to squatters rights you?

0:09:37 Heather: But here's where it can have a twist. It can actually begin with possession. To your point, it can actually began with the owner's permission, but it can turn hostile. If for example, the owner says, hey, and you get kicked off the land, but the person decides to stay anyway.

0:09:52 Thomas: Yeah that makes sense. Yeah but it does seem like a one weird trick like no I I still love that you're here. That's awesome. Great. Super duper cool. But then I guess, yeah, I guess once you try to kick them off, I don't know. Yeah, there's got to be a way to exploit that, but I don' t know. I haven't thought of it yet.

0:10:07 Heather: You're like, I'm gonna think on that. You had a good question about maybe how the imprisonment might work as it relates to answer choice B. So bear with me with a language, as I think hopefully a lot of people know, the law uses some language that isn't quite accurate. Yeah, listen. I'm about to say the word disability for some things that aren't about a disability. So this is referred to as a disability. I call these the three I's. So there are three, what the law refers to here as disabilities, that impact the statute of limitations. So these disabilities are referred to as infancy, insanity, and imprisonment.

0:10:22 Thomas: Yeah, this is some old timey shit here.

0:10:38 Thomas: Boy, I feel like that's a description of my life. I just haven't gotten to the last one yet.

0:10:48 Thomas: So no one can ever take my land because, geez, that's all I've, I'm just those three I's. That's my whole life. I better go to jail for something good. Don't worry, I will.

0:10:58 Heather: So with the with the infancy what that really means is that you're under the age of majority so you're unter the age 18 insanity usually means that you've been deemed to be incompetent and imprisonment is just what you expect here which is that you've imprisoned but the way in which this works because this often comes up on bar questions in which someone is under the 18 or they've been imprisoned and it's kind of is there to throw you off. But there's one rule that kind of helps to know that keeps you on the straight and narrow. The true owner has to suffer from, again, bear with me, they have to suffer from the disability at the time the period of adverse possession begins.

0:11:33 Thomas: Begins. Yeah, okay. I was wondering.

0:11:35 Heather: Yeah, the clock will not, the clock won't start to run until they're free from the disability.

0:11:39 Thomas: Okay. Yeah. So I'm going to be like, your honor, I am still currently insane. I win. You can't squat. I feel like I'm well, well protected against anyone squatting on my property. I got, I got so many defenses. First off, I'm gonna be like love it. Glad they're there. I'm here's a letter I wrote when they started saying I love these squatters. They have my permission. I love it secondly. I'm insane. Obviously look at that stupid defense. I just gave you. Clearly, I'm still insane. So they can't have started. That doesn't, you don't start the clock. Thirdly, I am now going to prison.

0:12:10 Heather: Well, and here our friend Nancy should become, again bear with me, she becomes disabled by her imprisonment 25 years into Lily's possession, right? So because she wasn't, again, disabled, quote unquote, at the time that Lily starts to adversely possess the land, we don't have this issue of the disability.

0:12:27 Thomas: I feel like I nailed that one.

0:12:28 Heather: Yeah, exactly. So B is out. And then we have answer choice C, which talks about ameliorative waste. And you were like, it was so funny because I heard you be like, I don't know what this means. And then you explained it, which is that you make something better. So amelorative waste is when a person usually is a tenant when they improve or otherwise acts to economically benefit the the property.

0:12:47 Heather: However, it tends to apply in the situation where there's a tenant involved.

0:12:46 Thomas: Well, And what's the waste part?

0:12:54 Heather: It's just part of the terminology. Yeah.

0:12:55 Thomas: I don't, waste.

0:12:57 Heather: And so it's not, again, this part of law, some parts of the law, most of the law is like, you need to know the definition and it helps you to understand the rule. This is not that part.

0:13:06 Thomas: So what, when does this come into contact? Because I also didn't understand why she couldn't acquire title because she's committed ameliorative waste. It almost seemed like if that were anything, it would be she could because she has.

0:13:18 Heather: Well, she's not a tenant of Nancy's property. So this comes up only when you're a tenant.

0:13:23 Thomas: Fair enough. Yeah, I got that. I just meant in terms of recognizing what this actual term is.

0:13:27 Heather: Oh, yeah. Oh. So like when would it come up? So let's say for example, Lily is Nancy's tenant. And she decided that she was going to, this comes up a lot, she paints the walls without Nancy's permission, and she spends a lot of money doing so. And then she plants this beautiful garden, spends a Lot of money Doing so. That's where that could come into play, is that's where there's a myriad of waste. She doesn't own the property, she's leasing it, and then she's adding value to it.

0:13:48 Thomas: So you can't use that as a tenant to say, hey, look at this. That means I own it now. Is this used as a reason a tenant can't acquire this land?

0:13:57 Heather: It's more of like a lot of times when landlords and tenants get into an issue with each other.

0:14:02 Thomas: Oh, so are you saying this doesn't have anything to do with adverse possession normally?

0:14:06 Heather: Exactly. Thanks. Sorry.

0:14:06 Thomas: Okay. I thought I wasn't sure if you just, because at first you said, because she's not a tenant. So I thought there could still be an adverse possession part of it, but you're saying it's not just that, it's that this has nothing to do with adverse possession. Okay, okay. That makes sense then. Okay.

0:14:18 Heather: Yeah. So it's just, It's completely underlined.

0:14:20 Thomas: This is like a term they're throwing out there that maybe you'll recognize and be like, oh, I think that's a thing, and then, yeah. All right. Well, second chance bar exam, safe.

0:14:22 Heather: Yeah. Yeah, precisely. Here we go. So B and C were out. So now let's look at some of the other elements of adverse possession. So we talked about continuous here. We said she met that requirement. We talked about her meeting the open and notorious requirement, and we'll talk about the actual. So was Lily actually physically present on the land? We know she was. That's pretty straightforward. She was using it.

0:14:44 Thomas: Okay? Does that count? Yeah, I wasn't sure if that meant you have to live on the land, though. It just means present. Okay!

0:14:49 Heather: Yeah? Yeah. No, living isn't required.

0:14:51 Thomas: Wow. Could be a problem for me. All Right.

0:14:53 Heather: So then we're down to exclusive and hostile. So do we think that Lily had Nancy's permission to be on the land to plant her flower garden.

0:15:01 Thomas: Well given that that's not even what A is about, either of those terms, I'm going to go ahead and say those aren't a problem. I don't know.

0:15:07 Heather: Well, do you think you mean the problem is in she did have permission or she didn't have it?

0:15:10 Thomas: I think those two issues aren't going to be the reason she cannot do it because that's not what answer A is. But that aside, did she have permission? I don't. Well, yeah, that's actually it is a good point. Like, would you count this as hostile? Like if she's just like, well, there's some flowers there. That looks great. I guess I don'T know. How do you answer that?

0:15:19 Heather: That's a good question. I think a lot of times sometimes on the fact pattern, I won't say like here, and then sometimes it'll just say she did not have permission. But what the fact that we do have is that the land belonged to Nancy and Lily was using it anyway. And so we don't really have a clear answer here.

0:15:44 Heather: But we can hang on to that part of it. And then we can come back to it after we look at the exclusive and then do the A versus if that helps. So let's jump to exclusive. We're saying that she's really not sharing it with the public at large, right? There's no group of people like trampling through it, right.

0:15:59 Thomas: Sharing it with the public. So that's that exclusive part. It's not like Like, she's exclusively using it and Nancy isn't.

0:16:05 Heather: That's part of it. So part of it is, is she sharing it with the public at large? And the other part of it is she's sharing it with the true owner. And a lot of times the way you'll see this in the bar exam are Nancy and Lily both working on the garden together?

0:16:17 Thomas: Like if Nancy was watering it in the weekdays, you know, like that feels like something.

0:16:22 Heather: Then that would not meet this requirement, right, if they were sharing it.

0:16:25 Thomas: Interesting. Okay, okay.

0:16:27 Heather: But what we can kind of tell we can I think infer from here is that only lily is using this

0:16:32 Thomas: I mean, her name's Lily, so definitely.

0:16:33 Heather: Yeah yeah and so we do have the exclusivity requirement so now what we're left with is that hot that question of like does she have permission does she not um and then so we're looking at she either does acquire title by adverse possession right because if it's hostile or because she cannot claim title because planting a flower garden is not sufficient for actual use like the flower garden was not enough to meet the actual requirement So what we do know is that planting a flower garden was plenty. The flower garden by itself is sufficient for her to use the land. So that does meet the actual use requirement.

0:17:06 Thomas: Oh, it does.

0:17:07 Heather: Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't require anything special or different to be able to use it to have that squatter's rights. You don't have to do anything in particular special. You just have to be using it, the actual reuse. So that's part of how we eliminate answer choice A, as I'm sorry to say. Yeah. And how D is our answer, that she did acquire title by adverse possession. Yes. Yeah.

0:17:17 Thomas: All right, darn. Ah, I was so close. I was just so close! Just didn't think planting plants was enough because, like, flowers occur on land. You know, it felt like it needed to be something more noticeable, but then, yeah, okay, all right, man, I almost got there, so damn close,

0:17:37 Heather: And I think it was also because not that she just planted them, but she was tending to them weekly. Yeah. You're like, oh, God, girl.

0:17:40 Thomas: Yeah sure, I know, I just did, I, it just felt like it wasn't enough to like, therefore get the land, you know? It just was like, it's interesting, but I, man, it was really close. I almost went with D, but I prefer to get it wrong every time, so that's why I went with A, and now I'm down to 55.88, and my second chance is down to 83.82, two or no, it'd be up to, I guess it would go slightly up. So, you know, that's, um, it's fun. I've gotten two right in the last three months. So doing well, things are great. Things are awesome. But more importantly, I just noticed something.

0:18:13 Heather: What What was that?

0:18:16 Thomas: We happened to cross over the one year Heather Veronini anniversary. I didn't realize I have here that the first question was May 26th, 2024. So I just want to say so happy to have had you for a whole year.

0:18:28 Heather: Well, thank you.

0:18:28 Thomas: I swear, I would have said it's been like four months. I can't even believe it. Wow.

0:18:30 Heather: Same here. Well, thanks for having me. And everyone also in your community has been so kind. And this has just been really fun. I love talking about this kind of stuff. But I'm always like, is that one of those things that's like my special thing that I'm excited about but nobody cares about so I'm really excited to do this

0:18:42 Thomas: Well, I'm sorry I missed our anniversary. I don't know. Is it which which one is it? Do I have to get I have to get you a bar question that's like, you know, gold or something. I don' t know. I know none of that crap works. I framed a bar question for you. No, that's super cool. It was turns out it was a couple questions back, but I just noticed it now because I had hidden my spreadsheet just because we have so many questions. I need to hide some of them to see. But no, that' s amazing. I can' t believe it' s flown by, Heather.

0:19:11 Thomas: I love having you so much. It's a lot of fun And I'm so glad you've been here, even though you are now making me get the right answer wrong every time. And I think you're here to prove a point, you know, to make the lawyers feel justified in having their jobs.

0:19:12 Heather: Thank you Oh No I'm sorry No

0:19:25 Thomas: And maybe that's maybe that'S good. Maybe that'S I shouldn't be able to get all these. So happy, happy year And sad question. Sad bar exam question. We'll have to see if anyone on the Internet did this better than I did this time. We'll go first to blue sky course open args on blue sky and neighbor geek with I think the only answer You know buy low and sell high I think Go go play on blue. Sky buy low. You have a good chance of a shout -out, you know, so neighbor geek answers Honestly, I thought there was a requirement that the owner knew the property belonged to them and the neighbor was using it That isn't an option a and B seem obviously wrong. See I don't understand so I'm going with D I just have to say, how does A seem obviously wrong? That's my only bone of contention here is like planting a flower garden not sufficient for actual use. That doesn't seem like obviously wrong. I get that it was wrong, but geez.

0:19:33 Heather: Congratulations to Just twist the knife well

0:20:18 Thomas: All right, Neighbor Geek, I guess you're just too naturally. Maybe they, yeah, maybe they misremembered which answers were which. I don't know. But yeah, okay. I guess it was obviously wrong and Neighbor Geeks was obviously right. Congratulations. Thanks for playing on Blue Sky. What's on Reddit? Who's our big winner there?

0:20:32 Heather: We've got a lot of folks that I'll shout out but I'll start by saying our big winner again is Sandwich Time time who says I think d is the right answer my my understanding is someone has to be continuously and openly using the land for the required period of time. I hope I'm wrong and Thomas can get a W, but I think a flower garden that she tends to daily would be open and continuous enough to qualify. Now, excuse me for my daily pee in my neighbor's pool and only 19 years to go.

0:21:01 Thomas: Oh, that's fantastic. You're right. 10 out of 10. Everything about that was good. I appreciate the supportiveness, but still not pulling any punches. They're like, well, you know, I hope Thomas is right, but he's not. And the joke. What a 10 out 10 answer. What a great winner.

0:21:14 Heather: It was great. We also had Jen Jen 047 play who gave a good answer as well and then also said as they say possession is nine -tenths of the law or in that jurisdiction adverse possession for over 21 years is 10 10 is 1010 of the lot

0:21:28 Thomas: I know. Okay. So that's the, I went through a lot of options for the name. And again, I have to choose the freaking names at 3 a.m. when I'm finally done working on things. And I was like, oh, adverse possession is 10 tenths of a lot. But I also can't give away the answer in the title. Title. So I almost went with that. I almost went with it with a 10 tenths or zero. I was like, it's either 10 tenth or zero tenths, but it was it was too like wordy. So, I just went with the nine tenths of the law, but you know, my head's at the same place as this commenter. So, congratulations or maybe not. I don't know.

0:21:59 Heather: And the last one is um jets nicks 23 who went with d and so I just wanted to give them a shout out it looks like might be their first response uh but also said that uh they passed the ube back back in July 23, haven't practiced as an attorney or looked at much content related since then, and currently waiting to receive their license from the South Carolina Bar Administration. And so I feel like this is a good first question to participate in. So big shout out to you. You did a great job. You got the right answer. And also good luck getting sworn into the bar. Sounds like that's coming soon.

0:22:26 Thomas: Good stuff. And we've got to go to the most important winner who is going to be on patreon .com slash law. That's where the best winners go to play. That's where we interact. There's great comments. We love reading them every time and this time we got got a great one in Melody who says, I think the answer is D. Adverse possession requires using the land notoriously. So while I don't know if using it for a flower bed would be sufficient usage, tending it every week would be notorious. The notorious B -E -D, if you will. It's over 21 years. She did it notoriously, it's a permanent fixture, I guess D. Yeah, you nailed it. Fantastic. Good times. Yeah.

0:23:02 Heather: Oh, no, that's gonna live in my head like for a very long time. Thank you for that. Yeah.

0:23:05 Thomas: Maybe it'll help me remember, you know. We also finally got an explanation on Recluce, although I need to tell Lydia this. Hopefully I'll remember when I record with her, but a note on my name. It's a reference to the Recluce series of fantasy books written by L .E. Modisette Jr. The Magic of Reclues is book one. I discovered it in the 90s as a kid and it was life altering in so many ways that's become part of my identity. So it's an ode to my favorite book series by my favorite author. Love it. Hey, always love that. And you know what? That's honestly the answer most of the time. Like most ofthe time when I'm like, I don't know what this his name? Is there like, oh, it's this fantasy book you've never heard of. That's probably really good.

0:23:41 Thomas: And I'm like, yeah, no, that's fair play. I like it. I used to name all my stuff after Lord of the Rings back when I was starting my internet presence. So I get it.

0:23:41 Heather: I love that. On that note, IMM underscore Austin said, P .S. Thomas, you are absolutely correct. The IMM does stand for International Man of Mystery. IMM, underscore Austin was the name of the pistol in the first Deus Ex video game, although it's only named in code, likely to avoid copyright concerns. Yeah.

0:23:56 Thomas: Oh, that's funny. Wow. I love, there's always a funny story. I love so much that people chiming in with it. Seriously. I love it. That's so much fun. Keep it coming. It almost makes getting every single question wrong. Like I have been, it almost makes it worth it. It's almost makes it tolerable. On that note, Time to get another question wrong Although I feel like I've been nailing the logic of these Just haven't gotten that last 50 -50 That's why back in the day I introduced the coin Because I got so tired of getting this exact thing wrong And I started flipping a coin once I got to two Just to see if I could beat the coin And I don't remember what happened with that But it was a funny bit for a while I probably lost track of it But all right, all that said We'll step aside, we'll take a break I'm going to psych myself up And we're going to get question 73 three. I'm going to get it right. Damn it.

0:24:08 Heather: Same. Yeah.

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0:26:24 Thomas: All right, Heather, what's question 73? And don't pull any punches. These better be just as hard. I want to earn it when I finally get one right, you know?

0:26:30 Heather: Yes. Well, I'll just preface this by saying we've got a lot of video game related stuff going on, so you can imagine where my mind's been. So with that, a retro video game collector, Peach, wrote a letter to her stepsister, Daisy, offering to sell her collection of sports games for $5,000 because she knew Daisy had admired it for quite some time as Daisy loved professional wrestling and football games from popular franchises. The day after Daisy received the letter, she mailed a letter back to Peach agreeing to buy part of Peach's collection for $4,000. The next day, after describing the collection to a friend who was very knowledgeable about retro video games and collecting, Daisy learned that the collection

0:26:34 Thomas: Love it. Ah, damn it.

0:27:06 Heather: Was not worth more than $600 because it was comprised of all the games Peach was trying to offload from her extensive collection. Daisy immediately called Peach and told her she was no longer interested in buying the game collection. Peach received Daisy's letter agreeing to purchase the collection a day after receiving the phone call. If Peach brings an action against Daisy for breach of contract and Daisy defends on the grounds that no contract was formed, how should the court rule? A. For Peach, because the contract is for the sale of goods valued over $500 and Daisy's rejection of the offer was oral. B. For Peach, because Daisy's letter accepting the offer, was effective when mailed. C. For Daisy, because Peach received the phone call before she received the letter. D. For Daisy, because the description of the subject matter of the contract was too indefinite to be enforced.

0:27:57 Thomas: Brought up this exact freaking example and I never remember what the goddamn answer is. I've brought this up before. There's the mailbox rule. I know it exists. I just don't, I'm so bad at remembering things. I do know. Okay. I do know that the mailing the letter is a big deal. I Do Know that when you put the thing in the mailbox, that is what the mailbox Rule is. That is acceptance. But I Don't Know if a phone call trumps that. I Don'T Remember that. Like if you, it Seems like if you call someone before the letter gets there, you Would Think that'd be valid. But, I Actually Think it's, it's about the timing of when you've accepted. So like that would be, I think the way the law might look at it as the mailbox rule is the mailbox rule. And that means the contract was accepted. And then what you're doing with the phone call is you're essentially wanting to get out of it after accepting. It doesn't count as like, that's you rejecting the offer. I think that's what's going on. It's a little weird, but I think it has to do with how things were done back in the day. And the mailbox role is, uh, I know it's a Little weird, by do remember that that much, like it It does count the minute you put it in the mailbox. I'm almost certain. But will I be able to get the rest? There's some other stuff, interesting other things going on. I love the theme. Got my Switch 2. Have been able to play almost none of it, but loving that I have it. And Arlo's getting to play some Switch 2, so that's fun. I've been getting to playing a little Mario Kart, a new Mario Kart with the kids. So that's been a lot of fun, and I'm loving it. So this question is certainly, if nothing else, giving me those positive feelings. Okay, so letter to her stepsister offering to sell her collection of sports games. So, yeah, right away, we're just we're just saying it's offering to sell the collection of sports games for five thousand. So it does feel a little harsh that you're not you don't know what's in it. That feels a little rough to be like, do you want this collection of sport games for five thousand? And then, yeah. And then she could just pick them after that. You know, it seems that seems rough. It would almost seem like off the top of my head, like, does that mean you really had a meeting of the minds? Like, do you actually know what you're buying? But it says because she knew Daisy had admired it for quite some time as Daisy loved professional run, blah, blah. Blah. That sentence suggests some meeting of the minds. Like if Peach is referring to the collection as something she knew Daisy admired, maybe that sentence is meant to somewhat signal a meeting of minds there. Okay. The day after Daisy received the letter, she mailed a letter back to Peach agreeing to buy part of Peach's collection for 5 ,000. Huh? Part? I didn't catch that part of it, but did she? Well, clearly she didn't say which things because the next fact is after describing the collection to a friend who was very knowledgeable about retro video games and collecting. Daisy learned that the collection was not worth more than $600 because it was comprised of all the games Peach was trying to offload from her extensive collection. Daisy immediately called Peach and told her she was no longer interested in buying the game collection. Peach received Daisy's letter agreeing to purchase the collection. Now, I'm a little concerned about this part of Peach's collection because that feels significant, like part of peach's collection, but we don't know if she specified what part specifically. We don't Know anything about that. And then it says, Peach received Daisy's letter agreeing to purchase the collection, which is not what the letter said. So that worries me. I don't know. I do not know how to take that. It feels like normally the bar does not do that to you. That seems like it is almost like contradicting itself. And I am not sure how I am supposed to read that. Okay. Okay. A day after receiving the phone call, Peach brings an action against Daisy for breach of contract. And Daisy defends on the grounds that no contract was formed. Okay. How should the court rule? Okay. A for peach because the contract is for the sale of goods valued over $500 and Daisy's rejection of the offer was oral. Okay. I know that there's the stat, is it statute of frauds? There's the contract in writing thing. And I remember some of its land, land stuff. That's a year. I feel like there is an acronym that I'm not going to remember or something. A deal that takes place over longer than a year, so I don't know what letter that would even be to try to get to reverse engineer the acronym. Is it goods over 500? That seems like such a low number, but maybe it is. And then, oh, maybe it was wills or something. Maybe that was the other one. Okay. Can I get to an acronym with those letters? Don't mind me. I'll just be scribbling madly with a pencil trying to get to some sort of acronym that I'm sure Heather told me last time. But I don't think it matters because I feel like this is the opposite. This is like inverting it because it's saying for peach, because the contract is for the sale goods valued at over 500. So I guess that would imply that's one of the things in the acronym I can't remember, which it seems plausible. 500 seems low, but I feel like that might be, I feel like we had some discussion about that. Like 500 seems so low that I feel you could get out of a lot of things, like buying a cell phone or something. It's already going to be more. I think that's what we talked about, but I'll go ahead and believe that that's what it is. And so it's saying the logic is Daisy's rejection of the offer was oral. So that would suggest that the rejection needed to be on paper, but that's sort of sidestepping the timing issue. And so I don't think it's A because it doesn't even mention the acceptance of the offer, which to the extent that it exists, because it was part of Peach's collection, we don't understand that or know what that is, butthat's in writing. Andso it sort of sidesteps that entire thing. And it also would seem to suggest that if instead Daisy had written like another letter and saying, actually, nevermind, reject, that that would be okay. Okay. So I think it's not A. I think A is not it. B for Peach because Daisy's letter accepting the offer was effective when mailed. I think this is a strong contender. I'm going to have to at least keep this alive because that is what I remember the rule is. So B is our for Peach answer that's alive. That's always good to have one of each. C for Daisy because Peach received the phone call before she received the letter. So, I don't know. I, I think I'm leaving it alive for now, but I actually don't, I think the mailbox rule is pretty firm and I don't think that the timing will fix that, I think. But let's consider D for Daisy because the description of the subject matter of the contract was too indefinite to be enforced. Okay. So I'm between B and D because I actually don't, I don't think it's C. I don'T, because I actually, I THINK even if you're able to do this with the phone call, I DON'T think it'S about when you RECEIVED the letter. I think it's about when YOU MAIL it. And so I DONT, man, is that right? C is for Daisy, because Peach RECEIVED the phone call before she received the letter, but I really do think it's about when you submit the letter. I think it is when you mail it. I am almost certain that is what the mailbox rule is, so I just do not think it was C, because again, B was Daisy's letter accepting the offer was effective when mailed, and I think that is right. I'm really worried that this part of collection might be like a mistake or something, because it is not really making sense, or it is D, and I am leaning towards D. I believe I am between B and D. B is the mailbox box rule, no nonsense answer. But D for Daisy, because the description, description of the subject matter of the contract was too indefinite to be enforced. It's kind of a weird way of putting it, the description ofthe subject matterof the contract. I think you would just say like, because the terms of thecontract weren't clear kind of thing. Like, but I don't know, maybe, maybe that's how you say it. That might be intentional, because my thought right away was description ofthesubjectmatterofthecontract sounds less like an actual contract answer and more like a when you're trying to reconstruct a contract from something. You know, it sounds more like, hey, we've got this understanding. Yes, we didn't sign like an actual contracty contract, but like, look at the, you know, look of these emails. Like you can tell her, look at these letters. You can tell what we're agreeing to. And so for that reason, I actually think maybe that language is specific in that way, because if it's a letter, okay, a letter offering. So it is an offer letter. Fair enough. Fair Enough. Offer letter to sell the collection of sports games for 5 ,000. But then she mailed a letter back to Peach agreeing agreeing to buy part of Peach's collection for $5 ,000. Why $5 .000? I'm worried that this part of is some weird random thing. I feel like I'm going to get it wrong because this word is not meant to be in there. But it also is so specific. So that feels like a choice, which I don't mind, except the last sentence is Peach received Daisy's letter agreeing to purchase the collection. She didn't agree to purchase The Collection. She agreed to purchase part of The Collection, but like if she's agreeing to purchase part Of The Collection? Why would she agree for the same price that Peach was offering for the full collection? That doesn't make any sense. Can't we just have a normal question where it's like I can at least get the law the answer wrong because of the law but this is like a words thing again that's just doing word to buy part of the collection why would she agree well if you're like I'll sell you my whole collection and I'm like I agree to buy a part of it for the exact same price that you offer the full thing why would why would you do that it doesn't make any sense I guess my other hesitancy would be if daisy's defense is that no contract was formed does that fit with d the description of the subject matter of the the contract was too indefinite to be enforced? Because that's like about enforcement. Can I take that to mean the same thing? Can I takethat to mean that's why no contract was formed is because it couldn't be enforced or is that like a different legal thing? Because it seems like you could form a contract that later would be too indefinitely to be reinforced. I think that happens all the time. Like people sign a contract and they agree to something and it might be like, there might be provisions in it that don't work or too vague or, you know, and then if there was ever conflict, like maybe it couldn't be enforced, but that doesn't mean you couldn't form it. Man, is this anything? I hate this. And I think the part of Peach's collection thing is blowing my mind and they shouldn't have put that in and it sucks and stupid. I think maybe, okay, what if I read that as the sports games subset is the part -of -the -collection. And for some reason, the bar is just effing with me. And so that's just, if I reading it as Daisy accepting the contract on those terms then. Like, yeah, I'm buying that sports part of your collection for $5 ,000. Then, yeah. Okay. I think I'm actually going to go with B. I'm between B and D. I think B for Peach because Daisy's letter accepting the offer was effective when mailed. Ithink that's right. I Think it's a mailbox rule. Ithink there's a chance it's D .I'm going to be super pissed, but I think there's a chance it's d, but there's enough reasons that I feel like D is not. I can think of enough like other reasons. Again, that forming versus enforcing, I think is interesting. I feel that's two different things. So if I'm 50 -50 it's kind of tilting me toward all right let's just go with the mailbox rule you know and not and just figure that they're trying to confuse me with this part of language and all that crap the only last thought would be it seems like daisy genuinely didn't know what she was buying right I mean if daisy learned that the collection and I guess again we'll have to say that's the sports collection part learn that the collect the sports part was not worth more than 600 because it was comprised of all the games peach was trying to offload from her extensive collection that feels like daisy didn't know what she was agreeing to that kind of that feels messed up but I still feel like that could still form a contract well if daisy never knew what she was buying then I feel like dat's not forming a contract I really do but I don't like that d is not about like well they didn't have a meeting of minds here I just feel like that means you're not meeting minds you can't agree on a contract if you don't know what you're buying right but I also just don't think that's actually what the wording of D says the description of the subject matter of the contract was too indefinite to be enforced. Like it's, it's like that, but it's not really the same because if it was too indefinate to be reinforced, that would be like, I think slightly different than there was no contract form. I think, ah, all right. I am really mad at this one already, but I think I'm going to stick to my guns with B. I'm between B and D. I'm gonna stick with B and then I'm in a file lawsuit against Heather if it's D. Oh, I will say this is a contracts question. Question. We'll go ahead and say this is a contracts question. And it's testing the mailbox rule. Maybe. We will see. We see what it is testing, Heather. Did you leave? I am done. That is my final answer.

0:39:25 Heather: No, I started to laugh.

0:39:29 Thomas: All right. And if you would like to play along and rejoice in my eternal suffering at the hands of this bar, I don't mind being wrong. I don' mind not knowing the law. I hate being detricked by the bad wordings. That is what I hate. I do not like the bad wordings of questions. So we will find out next week how mad I should be and how mad you all all should be on my behalf.

0:39:50 Heather: On a scale of zen to rage.

0:39:52 Thomas: All right, Heather. Well, fun as always. I am really excited to hear the answer to this one. So we'll see you next week.

0:39:59 Heather: See you next week.

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0:41:48 Thomas: And now there's only one thing left to do, and that is to thank our patrons at patreon .com slash law. And I'm bringing back Lydia Smith, who's been practicing this whole whole time. How are you doing?

0:41:59 Lydia: I've just been doing it the whole time. The entire time.

0:42:00 Thomas: Now you're only going to be able to pronounce names that have like those phonemes in them or whatever.

0:42:06 Lydia: Yeah, I hope it's a lot of those.

0:42:07 Thomas: Everything else will be ruined. I think you're supposed to do like different ones, right?

0:42:12 Lydia: Yeah, the big black bug bled black blood. That's another one too. But I took a pause. I cheated.

0:42:18 Thomas: Oh, Unique New York. What does it just do? The ones from Anchorman.

0:42:21 Lydia: Yeah. You need New York, unique New York. You know, you need unique New York. Yeah.

0:42:26 Thomas: Oh, that's pretty good. I didn't know that. The arsonist had oddly shaped feet.

0:42:29 Lydia: Yeah, I don't. I've never done that one.

0:42:31 Thomas: No, it's just from Anchormant or whatever, just does like these dumb ones.

0:42:33 Lydia: Oh, I was like, wow, University of Pacific's theater department was really getting at it.

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0:42:49 Lydia: You should have been doing. Yeah it's the warm ups. It's all about the warm warmups man oh are

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0:43:03 Lydia: You from northern california dope soul because hella is in your name and so that's just it's kind of a tell yeah mm -hmm hella

0:43:11 Thomas: Hmm interesting that'd be pretty dope hella thank you so much new patrons hope you enjoy the content and the no ads and now it's time to thank our hall of famers our all -time greats these are the amazing people the absolute miracles who pledge at the five dollar level and above for at least a month they get to choose a name and change it all the time or not and either way it's great we love it we shout it out yeah and I believe it's my turn first okay thank you to veterinary for america 2028 one man one vote unremarkable casey khan who would win 1 000 hamburgers or one sternly worded crunch wrap oh I'd say the crunch wrap yeah donna Treadway, mother of inheritance. NYC early voting starts June 14th. Yeah, I just saw a poll. I hope it's real.

0:43:16 Lydia: Dope mm -hm we say it you're first sure is oh I see the crone trap too but I'm biased so yeah I think it is Yeah,

0:44:09 Thomas: I don't know what's real these days, but Mom Donnie, perhaps ahead of, is he in the lead? Is he ahead of what's his name? Oh boy. Wow.

0:44:15 Lydia: He's ahead of Cuomo, is what I saw. So I was seeing people say, pay attention. Now the fight's going to get harder because he's inching ahead in the polls. And I'm going to start trying to tear him down. Don't let him.

0:44:27 Thomas: I do not believe that we get good things anymore in this world. So I am skeptical, but maybe we do. Maybe we are in charge. Maybe people in New York City can just do a good thing if they want. Maybe that is what can happen. I dont know.

0:44:38 Lydia: It would be nice.

0:44:39 Thomas: Maybe Maybe that's one of you listening. Well, we know it's one of you listing. Maybe it's a lot of you listening. Protect trans kids. I don't want a body shame, but Stephen Miller looks like he drinks unicorn blood. Yeah. Too hot to hoot. Huh? Okay.

0:44:52 Lydia: I like that.

0:44:53 Thomas: Cyanitis. Disappointed in all the capitulating to fascism. Fourth Circuit attorney reluctantly changing her font. Sex and gender are different things. Apprentice of adventure. Probably a real person. Still rooting for the hamburgers to deliver more timely justice than the current system. Unfrozen gay man lawyer. Nick Fish. The doodly swoosher TM. I like it. A negative phenomenon. The irrationality of rationality. Hmm. Yeah. You got to fight for your right to ex parte. Jay Sank. Cavalry. Vehicular man's laughter is out of battery still. I am the very model of a modern major general. I have information, vegetable, animal, and mineral. I know the kings of England and... And then just stopped. I thought it was going to be like... Is that the actual thing?

0:45:37 Lydia: Hey, it is.

0:45:38 Thomas: Oh, is that because you did the munchkin thing?

0:45:41 Lydia: It could be. It could be but also tony awards just happened and pirates the penzance musical had a performance and it was meh but I love david hyde pierce so much I love him so

0:45:51 Thomas: I thought you... I was going to make a joke that did Pirates of Penzance win anything like it's a new musical, but I couldn't figure out how to... What year is it? Yeah. Even a blind squirrel can find these chunks.

0:45:59 Lydia: Much yeah no I think it was under revival too so yeah

0:46:07 Thomas: I love it so much. That one gets me every time. Look, I finally changed my name for real, legally. And Thomas Freeman. All right, your turn.

0:46:15 Lydia: Okay thank you to cajun killer et fraud fishy hates everything chris simpson love the extra episodes. I love the Democrats. Fecklessness is my fetish, baby. Gabblehead, chunking away. I'm going to keep correcting you.

0:46:31 Thomas: It says chucking. I think we have to go with chucking, yeah, they've had enough time.

0:46:32 Lydia: Every week it says chucking. Really? Okay. That's right.

0:46:36 Thomas: Statute of limitations, yeah.

0:46:36 Lydia: We gave them notice. You're right .We gave them notice last week. So now, okay. All right.

0:46:38 Thomas: They squatted on chucking and now they own chucking? I don't know.

0:46:42 Lydia: All right. Let me give it another go. Gabblehead, chucking away, Mark Schultz, the Cincinnati kid, Bob Loblaw's Law Podcast, Philly Basement Bar is back open and isn't taking the shit it lying down elect thomas smith president american honky -tonk bar association side note got clarification on if you were being elected president and then american honk -tonc bar association is separate from that no the answer is no yeah no no I think it happened I think someone came in after consulting like the archives when this came up and it was like from a episode in the 200s I think is what they said

0:47:07 Thomas: You actually got colorification or you got someone speculating on it?

0:47:16 Thomas: Right. So wait, you're saying it's two different things? No.

0:47:22 Lydia: No it was to elect you president of the american honkey -tonк Bar Association.

0:47:23 Thomas: I thought, so the one I saw was like elect Thomas Smith president was like one thing and then they added American Honky Tonk Bar Association later. I thought that's what I saw. We'll never know.

0:47:37 Lydia: Well, well then, maybe I'm wrong. Whoever did all the research, get back to me. I might have misspoken. Baltakatei, Philip Kizer, Old Macdonald Had a Dolphin, E-E-E.

0:47:53 Thomas: That's funny.

0:47:54 Lydia: Yeah. Corinne Lan, A String of Unpronounceable Characters, Hors d'oeuvres in the Court Before We Report, Malaika Chandler, Malcolm the Dragon, and the Precious Variant, Milo Meadsong is Fighting Petty Tyrants, Rhondathedork.com, Big Easy Blasphemy, Chris Waltrip, FRED R GROOTHUIS, Classic libtard, and Mitchell.

0:48:14 Thomas: All right, Mitchell, champion. Yeah, no, you're right that that's what a person said. I think I was combining a different, like there was a comment maybe a while back, I think that was that, or a week or two weeks back. I think I'm combining them both.

0:48:25 Lydia: Oh. Maybe your comment was speculating, and then we'll never know.

0:48:28 Thomas: I don't know. We'll Never Know is the real answer, but you're Right that that person was saying, well, that's vehicular man's laughter who was giving that tip. We should shout them out saying.

0:48:32 Lydia: Oh, thank God. Yeah. Yeah. Not that out of battery. Valerie.

0:48:41 Thomas: Yeah, they had just enough percent on their battery to like, hold on, I got to check this. They're like pulling up an old. I picture them stranded somewhere like, no, I'm not going to call emergency services. I'm just going to check that. Real quick.

0:48:46 Lydia: Research. Let me check the. Yeah.

0:48:57 Thomas: All right. Well, thanks, patrons, so much. We love reading your shout out names and we also love reading the T3B answers. Good time. So much fun. That's it for us today. Hopefully I can turn the ship around T3B wise. And tomorrow, we'll see you for Rapid Response Friday. And, again, happy birthday, Matt.

0:49:15 Lydia: Happy birthday.

0:49:15 Thomas: Hopefully, people harass him, cyber -stalk him.

0:49:17 Lydia: I hope so. I hope so call his office you know.

0:49:20 Thomas: Yeah, prank call is law. Getting really aggressive with the birthday. Yeah, throw, you know, throw a Molotov cocktail at his law office. You know, normal birthday stuff, yeah. All right, we will see you tomorrow.

0:49:31 Lydia: It's just saying hi. Yeah yeah. Letting of know you're there yeah see ya

0:49:58 Thomas: Oh, freaking Nancy, you're insider -treating. Hey, it's Lily, the notorious gardener. Angry leaf -potting plants. Your Honor, I am still currently insane.

0:50:09 Lydia: Milo meat song is spedding pipe milo meet song is sweaty milo meets oh my god all my hard

0:50:13 Thomas: I hate the being detricked by the bad wordings.

0:50:20 Lydia: Work Old Macdonald Had a Dolphin, E-E-E