WTW28: The War On Christmas Continues

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0:00:42 Thomas: Hello, and welcome to Where There's Woke. I want to start this one. Can we do the Civil War music and be like, Dearest Lydia, while I've been out here in the cold fighting the bitter winds of winter and... No, that's the... What's his name book? Winds of Christmas and whatever. Well, I'll write it all out. Oh, I should have ChatGPT. Oh, hold on.

0:01:02 Lydia: Okay.

0:01:03 Thomas: I have a really good idea. This is fun and we're gonna have to leave some amount of this in because listen to how Chet GPT's decided to do it. Dearest Lydia, as the frosty winds of December blow across the fields and towns of our beloved country. Whoa, it's still good. I think I've really inspired Chet GPT. This is, it wrote like fucking eight paragraphs. I try to ask it something important as like, yeah, fuck off, man. I don't know. I'm a robot. And then I asked it this and it's like, "Oh, finally, my heart. Song here. Here." Yeah.

0:01:06 Lydia: Yeah, whoa, geez, yeah. I've been waiting this entire time.

0:01:35 Thomas: Of our beloved country, I find myself amidst a conflict far different than any of our forefathers could have foreseen. It is with a heavy heart that I pen these words to you from the front lines of what many are now calling the War on Christmas. Each day we face an unseen enemy, one that does not march in formation. This is good, let's see where this goes. Or bear arms, but rather one that creeps into the minds and hearts of men, women, and children alike. This adversary seeks not Not to conquer lands, but to erode the cherished traditions and beliefs that have long been the cornerstone of our Yuletide soldiers.

0:01:36 Lydia: Oh my god. Oh my god,

0:02:10 Thomas: Well, I knew, so I anticipated this. This soldier is on the wrong side of the war. Okay, so this is from the Confederate side of war.

0:02:10 Lydia: This is amazing. Okay, okay. Can you say try again, but from?

0:02:19 Thomas: No, I actually like this better. This is, so historically, you know, we have to study the other side, you know, otherwise we'll, if we don't make statues honoring these people, then we'll forget our history. So that's why. In the midst of this strife, the melodies of Silent Night and O Holy Night are not just carols, but anthems of resistance. Holy shit. Okay, edit everything out. I wrote this.

0:02:41 Thomas: This is, anyway, guys, I have a funny comedy sketch for you. This is so much better than I ever could have thought. Echoing through the streets and homes, reminding us of all the joys and peace that this season is meant to bring. We gather around hearths, not just for warmth, but for the solidarity that these times demand. I recall the Christmas of our... I'm barely through. He really, ChatGBT really was inspired by this. I recall the Christmases of our youth where the scent of pine and the glow of candlelight filled our homes. These memories are now my solace in these trying times. The decorations we place upon our tree are not merely ornaments but symbols of defiance against the creeping shadow that seeks to dim the light of this most sacred holiday. Day. Each day we witness small victories, a child's laughter upon seeing a decorated tree, the warmth of a community coming together to share in festive cheer, and the unwavering spirit of giving and kindness that embodies the true essence of Christmas.

0:02:23 Lydia: Okay, sure. Yeah Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. This is amazing.

0:03:38 Thomas: Yet the battle rages on, and I find myself longing for the day when peace shall once again reign, when the words Merry Christmas can be uttered without hesitation or fear of rebuke. It is for this future, a future where the spirit of Christmas is preserved for generations to come that I fight. As the snow blankets the world in white, it serves as a reminder of the purity and innocence of this holiday, and of the hope that still flickers into the hearts of all who believe in the magic of Christmas. I long for the day when I can return home to celebrate Christmas in a world free from this conflict. Until then, know that you are in my thoughts, and that the love and joy of the season are what keep me steadfast and my resolve. With all my love and wishes for a Merry Christmas. Your soldier's name in brackets. Wow.

0:04:27 Thomas: ChatGPT-4 taking all our jobs. Everybody, not your job, your job, you, listener, is probably fine because you're doing something like important. But as a podcaster, I think I'm done. I think it's over.

0:04:37 Lydia: I think also it's taking O'Reilly's job, you know, like this is what O'Riley wishes he could write, but he can't. And ours would be a joke, but.

0:04:41 Thomas: Yeah. There's a Simpsons on that you wouldn't, wouldn't know, where, uh, Homer has, I think it's when he has a heart attack. And do you remember canonically where Homer works? But you're not going to say, okay.

0:04:54 Lydia: Yes. The nuclear power plant.

0:04:58 Thomas: Yeah. So he has a heartattack and like his, you know, coworkers are visiting him in the hospital and they go, oh, Homer, we had a hell of a time replacing you. And it just cuts to a brick tied to one lever.

0:05:03 Lydia: Uh-huh.

0:05:11 Thomas: So good. Hell of Time Replacing You. That's how I feel about O'Reilly. Like, yeah, okay, we didn't need ChatGPT to take O'Reilly's job or whoever's, you know, whatever Fox News, ghoul is next in line. Like, we could just get a brick with a lever that's called racism on it. Like, it's the racism lever and then you tie a brick to it and then you've replaced them. Well, that was all unplanned. Now to the planned content, because that was, wow, ChatGpT, I'm having an existential crisis over, yeah, well, we should put it in an old-timey font. Yeah.

0:05:22 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah.

0:05:32 Lydia: Can we print that, though? I like, I want to keep that. That's incredible Yeah. And then we can tea stain like the paper and burn the edges and stuff. That's like every craft I did growing up.

0:05:49 Thomas: Yep, yep. Yep. Well, I'm Thomas. That's Lydia. This is Where There's Woke. And this is part two of the Ken Burns documentary, Where Where There's Christmas. No, I don't know. Where, where did Christmas go? Where was Christmas?

0:05:56 Lydia: Where there's. Yeah. Where are you Christmas. We're back to Battlefield, and where we left off was 2012. We're gonna enter 2013 now. There's a special little treat that we did with Tom Curry from Cognitive Dissonance over on the bonus. So go check that out if you're not already on patreon.com/wherethereswoke so you can get all of that fun stuff. We had a blast with Tom, but

0:06:14 Thomas: Oh yeah. He was a real natural. It was almost like, you know, I would have sworn he's done this before. Oh,

0:06:24 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah, um, but we're gonna do one other video from 2013, just ourselves, and I sent you the link so I pull it on up.

0:06:34 Thomas: This is a favorite. In the memorial that they construct for the War on Christmas, this will be in, you know, this will be one of the main statues, murals,

0:06:39 Lydia: Course, yes. Yes, I...

0:06:41 Clip: Santa Claus should not be a white man anymore. And when I saw this headline, I kind of laughed, and I said, oh, this is so ridiculous. Yet another person claiming it's racist to have a white Santa. You know? And by the way, for all you kids watching at home, Santa just is white. But this person is just arguing that maybe we should also have a black Santa. But, you know, Santa is what he is, and just so you know, we're just debating this because some of you wrote about it, kids. Okay, I wanted to get that straight. But

0:07:06 Thomas: Also so this is 2013, that's 10 years ago, and also, um, call your parents, because I know you stopped talking to them out of, if you're talking to a kid who is watching Fox News in the year 2013, uh, guess what, they're not talking to their parents anymore. Already, like, 10 years, that

0:07:06 Lydia: Yeah.

0:07:21 Lydia: I'm sorry, like, like, who are the kids that are watching the Kelly File, like on their own, or is it just like in passing that their parents are watching it. Okay.

0:07:25 Thomas: No, it'd be with their parents I Again, I watched Fox News,

0:07:30 Lydia: Yeah, you're right. I don't know.

0:07:31 Thomas: Mainly because my dad just had it on all the time, you know.

0:07:32 Lydia: Yeah. All right. All right.

0:07:35 Clip: I read the piece, the author seems to have, you know, she's African-American, and she seems to have had real pain at having grown up with this image of the white Santa, and she speaks about it kind of honestly, saying I, I don't really understand why that had to be, yeah, she wants Santa to be inclusive, and I had the same reaction initially, I was thinking, oh, this is more politically correct nonsense, this is hypersensitivity in our culture, and then you read the piece, and you really walk through the steps with her, I think it's a tribute to her writing, and you realize, if you were a young kid, and you were African-American, and your Santa Claus was white, it would affect you when you went to school, maybe you

0:07:58 Thomas: Oh, okay. Okay. Here we go. Where's this going? Are we going to get the...

0:08:10 Lydia: Don't know. Yeah.

0:08:13 Thomas: Sorry.

0:08:14 Lydia: Megan

0:08:14 Thomas: There's... We got to take this down off the airwaves.

0:08:16 Lydia: Kelly has to, like, interject and and steer it back.

0:08:18 Thomas: Yeah, she really front loaded it with like, ah, idiot, is racist, have a white Santa. And then this person's like, yeah, no, actually.

0:08:19 Lydia: Yeah. I kind of get it. Yeah.

0:08:26 Thomas: Yeah, when you actually take one second to read and empathize with the thing you're roasting, then you realize, like, oh, I was doing a caricature this whole time, and this is what this entire industry is built on. Shit. Never mind. I'm canceled. Alpha Fox News.

0:08:26 Lydia: Yeah

0:08:41 Clip: Wouldn't feel that you were part of that tradition. Now she suggests that a penguin should be Santa. Okay, that's where she goes. Well, I think that's kind of interesting, though, to have an animal, which is something that kids love, sort of brings that cartoonish component into it, and I think that makes all kids kind of feel welcome in the process, so I see where she was going with that. No, no, it doesn't. No, it does make all birds feel welcome. Kids like penguins. Okay, so I've given, her name is Aisha Harris, I've gave her her due on where she was going with it. But just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it has to change.

0:09:15 Thomas: You have? Ah.

0:09:16 Lydia: Yeah.

0:09:22 Clip: Know, I mean, Jesus is a white man too, but, know, it's like, we have, he was a historical figure, I mean, that's verifiable fact, as is Santa. That I just want my kids watching to know, that my point is, how do you just revise it, you know, in the middle of the legacy of the story, and change Santa from white to black to

0:09:24 Lydia: No, he was not

0:09:26 Thomas: Yeah, he's this historical figure. That would be like changing Jesus from not white to white. Yeah, how do you just revise it? A white man.

0:09:46 Lydia: Yeah, yeah. So the author, you know, responded after this came out because she was like, you know, I was kind of hoping that people would take the penguin as it's a little tongue in cheek. You know, my feelings are definitely real. But suggesting a penguin, everybody loves penguins, you know. But like she's not the decider of Christmas either. So it's not like she is issuing the declaration that we now are, you know, Penguin Claws.

0:10:09 Thomas: Yeah, that's what they always... Oh, my fucking God. That's what they always do. They the power that one blogger has. If they write something, then all of a sudden they're supreme ruler of Christmas and it's up to her, actually. It's It's actually To This Aisha Harris. She's actually emperor supreme of all Christmas.

0:10:14 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah, Aisha Yep.

0:10:29 Thomas: It's Like, man, you can't just let a person have an opinion about Santa? Is that too far? Whoa.

0:10:29 Lydia: Yep. Apparently. Yeah well and then she also points out that Santa Claus is not real. Hope no kids are listening.

0:10:45 Thomas: Spoilers.

0:10:45 Lydia: But you know it like if he's based off of Saint Nicholas that that was a Greek bishop.

0:10:49 Thomas: Well, Surely that was an American guy, right?

0:10:52 Lydia: No, Greek. But, Santa Claus like looks nothing as people as think that Saint Nicholas was supposed to look like. He was like tall and thin and Greek, and our Santa Clause is jolly and eats too many cookies.

0:11:02 Thomas: It's So perfect. It's so

0:11:04 Lydia: Yeah, red cheeks.

0:11:05 Thomas: It's Exactly, you can't just change something. This dates back to the year 1951 or something. You know. It's like, it's the same way when you ever try to argue them with them about taking God out of the pledge, they're like, the founding fought idiots, it was done in the 50s, there's stuff that was done five seconds ago that is your Christian privilege, that now you're like, that's how it's always been done, has to be done like that, furthermore you can't change change it from what it always was, and then you're like, you know, they, they did that in the '50, it's actually Well, but still, okay, but it, yeah.

0:11:05 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

0:11:35 Lydia: And It was tied to marketing or advertisement for a corporation.

0:11:39 Thomas: But Okay. But it's always been like that as long as I've noticed it. And that's what matters.

0:11:43 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah. Macy's says so. And then she had another good point that like other countries have other gift givers that aren't just Santa Claus. She says in Scandinavia, they have a Yule goat. Goat and like a goat like delivers for for children and the three kings one each traditionally from Europe Asia and Africa and Spain that are not Santa Claus so you it's it's silly right it's another just silly silly thing but I can't believe that Megyn Kelly you know one of the folks on that panel to talk about this like you said totally like reasonable Take where she took a moment to actually read the article to empathize with another

0:11:47 Thomas: I don't

0:12:25 Lydia: Human being.

0:12:25 Thomas: Think she did. The other person did. And she was like, well, okay.

0:12:27 Lydia: No, that's what I'm saying. Like that person.

0:12:28 Thomas: Oh, sorry. Yeah.

0:12:29 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah, her one of the guests did. Right. And then Megyn Kelly just shot it down. She's like, no, you're wrong.

0:12:32 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah. She took credit for what the other girl was doing. Well, now that I have, you know, given it its due, I'm going to completely shit all over it. It just reminds me how funny it was that for like two minutes after that one 2016 debate, people were like, Megyn Kelly, feminist hero. I don'T how widespread that was, but there definitely was a feeling like, wow. Feminist icon right here. And then it's like, oh no, she's actually just a horrendous conservative piece of shit.

0:12:37 Lydia: Yeah yep.

0:12:50 Lydia: Oh, I know. I know yep.

0:13:01 Lydia: She sure is.

0:13:03 Thomas: He was always white. Okay. You know, I actually wonder how long it's going to be until they're like, elf on the shelf has always been white. You can't just change the race of the elf. Is that going to me one?

0:13:15 Lydia: I don't think so because I think they were really smart with Elf on the Shelf and they came out with like different looks, like pretty much right away, yeah, yeah, so there's not just one Elf on The Shelf

0:13:20 Thomas: Oh, right away. Okay. So it'll be like a hundred years until that happens. Until they like consolidate the power of it and then put it, make one white elf to rule them all. And then they're like, it's always been white. It'll happen. We'll see. To the chat GPTs making our podcast in a hundred years. You check on that. Hashtag remember. What's the, no, it'S not a hashtag. There's thing you can do on Reddit. That's like, remind me in whatever.

0:13:24 Lydia: Yeah yeah Oh,

0:13:47 Thomas: I assume the chat GT doing our podcast will be able to translate my words into programming and make that happen. Okay. Next segment.

0:13:47 Lydia: Yeah, yeah, the, remind mind me, bot. All right. We are going to go to 2015. we are goingto go to something that I think all folks are familiar with. Is the year that Joshua Feuerstein, that evangelist, YouTube guy went off about the Starbucks cup.

0:14:14 Clip: An early start, outrage blowing across the country as Starbucks unveils holiday cups with no Christmas designs, and models set up Santa shop with no trees or sleighs. Kelly White is here live with a backlash. Kelly, what are we seeing this morning? It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas, sport, is it? A group of Christian evangelists are thinking it isn't. They are warning retailers to beware. They're checking to see if you're being naughty or nice this Christmas season. So is Starbucks acting more like Ebenezer Scrooge to Bahumba Christmas?

0:14:17 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah,

0:14:19 Thomas: Get it?

0:14:33 Thomas: Every time.

0:14:44 Thomas: God, it's a, you see why you

0:14:46 Clip: Some

0:14:46 Thomas: Don t need ChatGPT for jobs like this. It already was ChatGPD. These jobs were already just mad libs of the same four four things. It's like, Oh, it's silent night. Or is it like, you just do a random Christmas song and then you're like, yeah.

0:14:51 Lydia: Yeah, yeah. Like Greg Gutfeld. Aren't they all Like, yeah.

0:15:02 Thomas: And and then, do the like, oh, but who's being on the naughty list of what it's the same. It'S the same thing. ItS just, they just do the same, ugh.

0:15:06 Lydia: Right. How many Christmas references can we, like, force into the sentence?

0:15:12 Thomas: If John Oliver hasn't already done a bit of the, of the you know, when he does the like and now this, and it's like the, local news, whatever. I'm- sure- sure he's done a compilation of these, like, "ho ho no," there's that one, yeah, more like, "no, no, no," still

0:15:19 Lydia: Yeah.

0:15:26 Clip: Actually think it is. They're upset with Starbucks removing its traditional holiday decorations of Christmas trees and snowflakes on its cups. So one man posted on Facebook his displeasure with Starbucks. Starbucks, the Post gaining nearly 11 million views so far. I think in the age of political correctness, we become so open-minded, our brains have literally fallen out of our head. Do you realize that Starbucks wanted to take Christ and Christmas off of their brand new cups? Well, in response to the brewing controversy, Starbucks responds with this statement, explaining this year's Christmas cup is designed to create a culture of belonging, inclusion, and diversity. The cup is meant to be a blank canvas that encourages customers to tell their Christmas stories

0:15:30 Thomas: Red and green cup By the way, here we go, for

0:15:33 Lydia: Yep.

0:16:11 Thomas: The love

0:16:11 Clip: In their own way. The cup

0:16:12 Lydia: Yeah.

0:16:12 Thomas: Of God just drink coffee out of it. God, I can't, I'm starting to crack, I'm getting the you, shell shock. Christmas should we gotta come on, chat GPT, what's a Christmas version of shell shock? We'll, we'll juste ask it every joke, it'll do everything. I- it's a cup, it's just a cup, you just put the drink in and you drink it out of, and and they change it, it's red and green for for the season, that's something, hey

0:16:18 Lydia: I know. I Know. Yep. It changes every year. It's never had, like, Jesus on it ever. It's been like snow

0:16:37 Thomas: Yeah, well No No, you're wrong, in 2014 it was a, full, full rendering of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, and I was like, great, now I can enjoy my My, this the first time that they complained about this? But then again, in the graphic they just showed, they. It was a year by year. Like, here's the gains we've made in the war. And it showed like how the cups have changed over time. I

0:16:40 Lydia: Okay I forgot about that year Yeah, it's Yeah

0:16:59 Clip: Of belonging, inclusion, and diversity. The cup was meant to a blank canvass that encourages customer to tell the Christmas stories their own ways. Starbucks is not the only retailer grinding up controversy this Christmas season.

0:17:10 Thomas: Just drink out of it. Grinding up controvert. That's not

0:17:15 Clip: Simon's Mall manager of *** Malls

0:17:15 Thomas: It. No, it doesn't work. That doesn't works. Doesn't work you can't see chat GPT would be better. You can't just say thing that's coffee and then make it into a... Grinding up controversy is not a phrase. You had a controversy brewing? A plus. Great. That works. Then now we're filtering the controversy and also coffee beans.

0:17:27 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah. So.

0:17:35 Thomas: I don't know.

0:17:36 Clip: In New York and Charlotte, North Carolina set up a Glacier themed holiday display instead of a traditional Christmas tree. As a result, more than 2,400 shoppers so far have signed a petition online demanding a Christmas tree!

0:17:50 Lydia: Silly.

0:17:52 Clip: Horrible. This is uncalled for. It's a holiday season. It is supposed to bring you up, not down. And this is going to bring everyone down.

0:17:57 Thomas: I can't believe it. Horrible.

0:17:59 Clip: I thought it was brand-boring and pretty lame. The Simon's Mall management president in Charlotte said the glacier theme was a bad idea. So the mall will go back to its traditional Christmas display, adding that along with the glacier thing. Alright, thank you, Kelly. So a lot people are really upset about this.

0:18:19 Lydia: Yeah.

0:18:17 Thomas: Oh, so this is not story? Story? So what you're saying is it's some manager of a mall? Honestly, I'm 100% with the idea that that's kind of stupid. Like do a Christmas tree, whatever. Every single mall does a Christmas tree and has a Santa. If they didn't, I wouldn't demand my money back or something. I wouldn'T be like, it's horrible. It's horrible in there. They interview people outside of the mall. I barely made it out alive. It'S horrible.

0:18:22 Lydia: It's a non-story.

0:18:43 Lydia: Yep. Yep. Bed.

0:18:44 Thomas: But like, yeah, okay. That's kind of, you know, it is a bummer. You want a bunch of decorations, glaciers. Here's what that likely was. I don't know if you did a debunking, but it was probably a fucking budget thing. I guarantee you that they're like, oh, you know, it'll save money. Just a glacier. That's like a white bullshit. Nothing like you like a bed sheet. And then you're done with your mall decorations. I would bet our house that this was a decision based on money. Like they tried to cheap out the holiday decorations direction, and then fucking Fox news.

0:19:07 Lydia: Sheet. People. Didn't. Like it, yeah. Yeah, and Fox New shows up at their doorstep.

0:19:17 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sure when people didn't like it, they're like, well, who cares? They're so coming. What are you, what are you going to like? Okay. Picture you're trying to desperately get Christmas shopping done, which you are. And it's like, to get Christmas get editing done, which I am. And yeah, I know. Yeah.

0:19:26 Lydia: Yep. Yep. Yep. Tick. Tick. Tick. I'm looking at the clock. Yeah.

0:19:34 Thomas: Listeners, can you hurry this up? We got to. And so you go to a mall and you're like, Jesus Christ, I'm, it's a, it's a madhouse, there's a thousand people, what, there's no Christmas tree, fuck you, I'm out of here. No, you'd be like, well, great, there's more room for the masses of humanity to be in here trying to do last minute. It's stupid, like, yeah, okay, it's better if you have Christmas decorations, I actually agree with that, it's, I love the big giant

0:19:46 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah. It's Nice. Yeah, but I will say also, you know, when I was at the mall the other day, I saw just, you know, a bunch of people wearing like Christmas headbands and hats and things like that, and it was so cute, and so, like, you don't need, need a freaking tree done by the mall, like, you can just decide that you're going to go with Christmas spirit and wear something that makes you happy and joyful, or, you know, sing the songs that are playing along, and that's fine.

0:19:59 Thomas: Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah.

0:20:23 Thomas: Imagine a fucking alien dropping down onto this planet a mall in at this time period. And then you explain to them what Christmas is and then you're like, there's people complaining that there's not enough Christmas. It's everywhere. It's the air we breathe is Christmas at this time. Furthermore, if they do a bunch of decorations that are other holidays, I think that would be cool too, the more big ass festive decorations the better, in my book. But, like, it's, not a threat to you, like, you could just go in there and do your fucking shop anyway. That, no, I think the main criticism I want to make is this doesn't exist, there is Christmas, ever, 90 fucking, what percent of America celebrates Christmas, it's everybody, almost.

0:20:35 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

0:21:02 Lydia: And, like, most towns and cities, they do their Christmas tree light or holiday tree lighting or whatever they call it, where they gather the entire town together. Our town does it, we didn't go this year, um, I don't think we've ever gone, but, um, you know, they'll do a big Christmas tree lighting, and there's, you know, one in front of the Capitol, there's one in Old Sacramento, like, they're, they're everywhere.

0:21:21 Thomas: Well it would have been a little uncomfortable if we went because I'm required to wear my uniform, uh, to things like that, yeah, and they'd be like, yeah, I have required to salute the tree the whole time while it's being lit, and and whatever.

0:21:26 Lydia: That's true and stand at attention the entire time. Yep. Yep. Yeah.

0:21:37 Thomas: So it's, it's uncomfortable, you know, there's people, and it's a mixed feeling because, you know, while on one hand we're there to, checks notes, erect a fucking Christmas tree, on the other hand we are also fighting to kill Christmas for good, so it's a weird, we're all just confused, actually, it's a very confusing ceremony.

0:21:49 Lydia: Yep. These people, I tell you.

0:21:55 Thomas: Do they call them, fuck, what's the word, oh, fatigues, right, yeah, I used to be in my fatigued the whole time. My stupid brain, I was like, griefs, are they called griefs? Yeah, I was just like, it's some word that's like bad, like, oh, fatigs, yeah.

0:22:00 Lydia: Yes. Griefs.

0:22:12 Thomas: That's what it's like being me, everybody, because like, I know it's negativey word, and it's like tired-ish, but not, yeah, it grieves, it's,

0:22:13 Lydia: Oh, man, amazing. Griefs. It's Let's fast forward it a tiny bit to 2016, we're gonna go to the next year, um, we're gonna steer from Fox News, but we're going to visit someone who is just a joy.

0:22:32 Thomas: Should you emotionally prepare the audience for what they might hear, because I was not prepared. And I'm suing you as fucking guy, is this the guy who started so, what is the deal with this guy, because I, you know, I've heard about him here and there, but he's so repulsive, I don't care. I don't.

0:22:36 Lydia: God. Yeah. Sorry, Gavin McKinnis. Well, So he, he found advice and he also founded the Proud Boys, so

0:22:51 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah, I like what? That's a is he just diversifying his portfolio or he's like, I'm investing in, you know, resistance journalism and the actual fascism. That's a good business. Actually, that's a that's like a Lex Luthor plot, you know, or like a James Bond villain plot like, oh, don't you see? I control both the actual fascism and the resistance to the fascism, but I don't if that's it. I feel like Like he started maybe more liberal and then went insane or

0:22:54 Lydia: Yeah. I don't get it, yeah. So Yeah. Yeah.

0:23:20 Lydia: Yeah, so he was 24 when he co-founded Vice, um, that was back in 1994, and then yeah, and then I guess he's just kind of gone down this alt-right founded the Proud Boys in 2016 is the proudest boy founded by Gavin McKinnis.

0:23:29 Thomas: Started the proud boys, not just a very proud boy himself. You're saying he, he's the proudest boy in fucking weird.

0:23:39 Lydia: And the current leader is Enrique Tarrio, I

0:23:41 Thomas: Sorry. There's things I should know, but I see his face. I'm like, I don't want to read about this. So I just don't, you know what I mean? We all have our blind spots where like, I don'T want to go down that road. Okay. So we're about to hear that person's face.

0:23:52 Lydia: He, hang on, hang on, I just saw taking they named the Proud Bois from the song "Proud of Your Boy" from the 2011 11 musical version of Aladdin. What?

0:24:07 Thomas: Don't know if this is okay to say, Gavin, but that's the gayest thing I've ever heard.

0:24:12 Lydia: The heck, that is weird, oh my god, all right, go ahead, press play.

0:24:20 Clip: You know what political correctness is? It's a war on fun. It's war on everything good. It's the war on anything Western. It's war on romance. That's right, romance. In this, look, I'm as anti-rape as the next guy. In fact, it

0:24:29 Thomas: Really this is oh if You start with, I'm as anti-rape as the next guy, you're already, sorry, yeah, well,

0:24:36 Lydia: And then but yeah,

0:24:38 Clip: Was us evil men who came up with the whole, you're going to jail, you are getting arrested, we're going send cops to your house thing, for rapists. We're

0:24:47 Thomas: We came up with that, everybody, thank a man today, yeah, did.

0:24:48 Lydia: Thank you, men. Thank you Man, because

0:24:51 Thomas: You know who released black people from slavery, the white people, why, because they owned them, yeah.

0:24:57 Lydia: They were the ones in power.

0:24:59 Thomas: Like what are you you talking about, okay.

0:24:59 Lydia: Yeah. Okay Okay. Yeah.

0:25:02 Clip: All on the same page on that, by the way. I know you think that we like it, we don't. Rape is bad. But, in this obsession to eradicate

0:25:07 Thomas: That's not, hun. Is that an accurate characterization of how your brain, I'm just, I might as well ask you. Do, is the worry that you think all men are rapists, is that the worry for you, boy?

0:25:13 Lydia: Yeah, The worry is that are rapists and you don't know necessarily who it's going to be, I guess. But yeah.

0:25:27 Thomas: That sounds more like reality, yeah, and, and I would say if you're wondering who the rapists are, not saying 100, but just if a guy starts with, like, look, I'm as anti-rape is the next guy, that is it a red flag, do yeah, you're on Tinder, you see his bio, it says, I'm as anti-rapist the next time.

0:25:39 Lydia: Yes. Yes, and I would also wonder what their definition of rape is also, because they're probably being a little more conservative. Swipe left.

0:25:52 Thomas: Features.

0:25:53 Clip: Anything that is remotely rapey, you accidentally swallowed up romance. Romance. You know the song Baby It's Cold Outside? It's a beautiful, romantic, loving song that sums up the way men and women interact.

0:26:07 Thomas: A rape, okay, I didn't, you know, it's this.

0:26:10 Lydia: Oh

0:26:11 Clip: But in this culture we have now that's all about consent, consent, consent, you end up turning women into Tony Soprano. Where you go, hey, I'd like to make love to you. Well, it's very difficult situation.

0:26:19 Thomas: Is the worst, that's not Tony

0:26:22 Clip: You can, you can, I'll do blowjob. Okay, my Tony Siprano's incredible. If

0:26:20 Lydia: My god uh

0:26:23 Thomas: Sabrina. Is he, he might be doing the, I think he's doing a Joe Pesci, which is, what, which you, that would have worked, you could have said the joke was it's a Joe Pesce, but you said Tony Soprano and you did joke, that's all right.

0:26:37 Clip: A woman has to list all the things you can do for her on the first date, you've killed the world, there has to be some push and pull that way

0:26:43 Thomas: Doesn't happen that doesn't happen, that doesn't happen, yeah.

0:26:49 Lydia: You don't remember our first date hun oh man

0:26:50 Thomas: Jesus Christ, how

0:26:53 Clip: She can retain her chastity, and the next morning sort of go, you were an absolute cad last night, that's

0:26:59 Thomas: Sorry, that's his ID, that says like platonic ideal, I shouldn't say platonic, but that's his ideal of a sexual interaction. Interaction. So let's say our first date, hun, or something, so you meet up, and then you have to be like, oh, no, I would never have sex with you, yeah, so, and so, yeah, creepy, disgust you, disgust me, and I gotta be like, oh, yeah, and I keep like, like, pawing at you, I think, and then, oh, no, don't you see, I would never, and then, I guess, like, you give up, I think, and then we have sex, and in the next morning, you do, you do further insult in the morning. You're, you disgust me, you, and then you leave.

0:27:07 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

0:27:34 Lydia: Romance.

0:27:43 Lydia: Yeah. This is weird.

0:27:45 Thomas: That's, see, that's romance, everyone. That's that's love.

0:27:51 Lydia: Yep. Yep.

0:27:52 Clip: A lady sitting there saying, "Yeah, we could do it later on, after dinner. That's not sexy." Anyway, politically, politically, correct.

0:27:59 Thomas: That's Yeah.

0:27:59 Lydia: What?

0:28:00 Clip: Liberals have redone Baby, It's Cold Outside, I

0:28:02 Lydia: So, Baby, It's Cold Outside. Do you like that song? Well, that's

0:28:05 Thomas: Don't like any Christmas songs. I want to ask you about Baby, It's Cold Outside. How do you feel as a woman about that song? Oh,

0:28:06 Lydia: True. Okay. Yeah. So I, I actually really like it. But I think it's reasonable to reflect on, that dynamic of the man and the woman in that song. So Frank Loesser, who wrote Guys and Dolls, which you have seen, we saw a great production of it many years ago. Go.

0:28:26 Thomas: Yeah. That's yeah, that's like the perfect form of the musical, like, I don't know, it's not like I love it or something, but when we watched, I was like, this is every beat that you're supposed to have, you know, it's like everything happens the right way for a musical, you're, wow, you found it, that's the, like, the formula.

0:28:30 Lydia: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Yep. Yep, totally. So he wrote this song back in 1944 for him and his wife. Like they just sang it together. He never really thought that it would go beyond that. They would like sit around, and there's an old recording of them singing it together, it's very cute. And the female part is written as the mouse. That's the name of the character. And the male part is written as the wolf and, yeah, and so when you hear that, you're like, okay, that's, um, that's an opinion about relationship dynamics.

0:28:45 Thomas: Yeah. Okay. Whoa. That's yeah. I didn't that. I didn't know that. That makes it worse now.

0:29:12 Lydia: That made it worse for me too. Um, but then the song was used in a movie in, called Neptune's Daughter, and, you know, we won't go into the plot or anything, like that, but yes, that's the film Neptune's Daughter, so,

0:29:14 Thomas: What the fuck? Is that what he plays in his video here? Because he plays an old timey video. Okay and the guy gets pretty aggressive and Gavin McInnes is like yes romance. That is it right right there. This is love.

0:29:37 Lydia: What's funny about the way it's used in Neptune's Daughter, it's like, the two men are, it's like mistaken identity kind of thing. And so you have two couples, a man and a woman, a men and a women, and they each sing this song, but they switch the parts for the other couple. So in one scene, the man is the wolf and the woman is the mouse, as written. And then the other scene, they switch it where the woman is the wolf, and the man is the mouse.

And I thought that was kind of interesting, Like that even originally they were playing with the relationship dynamics there, which is something that you see a lot of times now with Baby It's Cold Outside that when people are uncomfortable with it, a lot OF times they'll switch the man and the woman parts. And they did that back in this movie a billion years ago. But I think the song, I mean, enjoy it, but I do also think about like, well, that's not a relationship that I would want today. That's not what I would Want Phoebe. Like that's not the conversation that I would be comfortable with her having. And those things can coexist, in my opinion.

0:30:02 Thomas: Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, like I didn't know fucking shit about this because I don't care about Christmas songs and I don't even really hear lyrics when I listen to music because I listen music and I am a musician. I just think about the music and so when this came up, like whenever, if this was the... I don't know if this is the origin of when people started complaining about this, but right.

0:30:42 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah, it was kind of the beginning of around this time, 2016. But then it of continues every single year. So like the next year with Me Too, 2017, there was like a really big push like, is this the year Baby It's Cold Outside is finally going to die? And then a couple years ago when WAP came out, a lot of people like use that as an opportunity to say like, how is this song okay and Baby It's Cold Outside isn't?

0:31:11 Thomas: Oh, there we go. Yeah. Well, We should should save that, um, and so when, some, the first time I heard, like, oh, it's problematic, then my brain did the like, okay, can you remember enough lyrics to, okay, well I know Baby It's Cold Outside and I hear the woman's voice and she's saying something like, I gotta go, and he's like, but it's cold outside, so then I was like, oh, that's what the song, yeah, no, okay, I get it, and that seems a bit pushy, seems a bit push, and then I did see the, like, you know, you've got the counter to the counter, counter to the counter to the backlash of the person saying, no, you don't understand, this is in the, in the olden times, this was like the way that women had to negotiate this, because it's a complicated thing, and it was actually, I think I watched a pretty well thought out video, it wasn't like a trollish one.

0:31:37 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah.

0:31:57 Thomas: That was like, yeah, it was, it was a different time where even if you want like, even if the woman wanted to stay there and have sex or whatever, she pretty much had to do this under this theory, you or at least a certain, kind you of, of women, it's not like there wasn't just fucking sex back then, like, there also was plenty of just plain old sex, but in terms of, whatever, ostensibly, this, like, kind of woman is supposed to be.

0:32:17 Lydia: Well, Because It was an incredibly sexist period of time, I mean, it's still life is sexist, but, like, but at that point in time, as a woman, yeah, you had to be like, you know, coquettish and right, like you had kind of, uh, you couldn't indicate that that was something you wanted, you had, you know, the demure and, um, accidentally fell in bed with the man.

0:32:23 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah. Right. And I don't know, yeah, I don't know how much that is real or was just Hollywood, though, like, I think that existed, but I also know that, like, everyone was fucking everyone back then, you know, like, if you read a book about the 40s or whatever, it's like, oh, no, they also were just

0:32:47 Lydia: Yeah, but I also think that it could be. Well, yeah, I mean, like we certainly know, like plenty of men had a lot of affairs. But I think that there was also, you the movies that were coming out, even if it was a Hollywood thing that, you know, is self-perpetuating then. And yeah.

0:32:53 Thomas: Yeah, no, I'm just saying I think it's a mistake that is often made to think there was a monoculture and everybody was this exact way. That's all I'm saying. Not that it didn't exist. This. But taking the that on board, like even just assuming, okay, all that's true. And it's actually, it's a, it's a feminist anthem of how to have sex with a man and not get, called a whore the next morning by doing this perfect tap dance of whatever, which, okay. I'll take that on board. That's not really relevant now, you Know, like, so if we get a bunch of, cause what every, the the whole music industry seemingly has to do every year is re-record every Christmas song and blast it forever. And so when we get 400 new versions of this, and then our kids are hearing it for the first time, what the fuck are they going to think?

0:33:16 Lydia: Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah

0:33:50 Thomas: Like, what? Okay. It's call outside. But then the guy can just be like, no, none of your concerns are valid. Stay here. You know, like that's, that's how it reads. No, I get fucking, the author might not have intended, or maybe if he named it the mouse and the wolf, maybe he did intend it that way. But But even if it could be read and maybe even should have been read a completely different way in the 40s and 50s, that's not the culture we live in.

0:33:50 Lydia: Yeah. Yep.

0:34:10 Thomas: So absent a firm historical context, like you're in a, I don't know, in a musical or something, and there's like a fucking note on the on program about it, you know, like absent some reason you would know all that. I do think this is kind of a harmful thing to show our kids. And it just leans them a little bit into rape culture. And here's the key though, the key is this is the only Christmas song, so if we get rid of this, then then you actually do have to get rid of Christmas, pack it up, put the tree in the fucking in a bag and just take it away because this is the only Christmas song and it's about, is there even Christmas in it's just, baby it's cold, there's no, is the word is there a part where they're like, and also Jesus on the cross, baby it's cold outside, he died for my sins, baby it's cold outside, little baby in a manger, no, it's just literally it's, it's called and "let's bone," that's the whole song. And so, like, is this a threat to Christmas if we get rid of it?

0:34:36 Lydia: Christmas Christmas is over. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, it's just wintertime. Yeah?

0:35:11 Lydia: No. No. And I think that like, this is the type of conversation that I think people just want to have about it, right? That feminists feel differently about this too. Too. You can find opinion pieces from both sides of kind of conversation from from feminist writers. And so, yeah, I think ultimately it's figuring out like, OK, what do I like? What am I comfortable with? What does this mean to me? And then to your point, what am I uncomfortable with the kids hearing? And I think you're right that, like, yeah, I I like the song, I like singing it, it's fun, it's enjoyable. But yeah, it would have a problem if Phoebe, if absorbed any of this is thinking that that's how relationships go and that's how conversations go when you're out, and then trying to leave and someone just kind of works it and tries to manipulate you to stay.

0:35:11 Thomas: Yeah yeah yeah Yeah, so now Gavin is going to play, I think, like some new version they tried to do, which is also, that's what so much of the stuff, to your point, hun, is, is, yeah, okay, fucking fine. Like, oh, maybe you don't want to listen to the song, cool, fine, maybe you do still want to want to listen to it, okay, listen to the fucking song, like, you, people said people want have a conversation, people want to analyze stuff, and at least know, like, you can consume problematic stuff, if you know what it is, if you've properly yeah if you're thoughtful about it's like, all right, but I like the melody, yeah, fine, nobody, we're not gonna be arrested by the woke police, least it's just like, once a conversation even starts, then the right-wing outrage machine has to be like, they are coming for your records, you know, it's like, fuck you, but this is the new, some new version that they tried to do hearing

0:36:13 Lydia: Yeah you're being thoughtful about it mm-hmm yeah yep it's just like random people too, it's not even like anyone famous

0:36:45 Thomas: Yeah oh So uh, this is this, uh, fucking guy reacting to someone trying to just adjust the lyrics, which in my, my mind is a fucking pointless exercise because then there wouldn't be a song like it, you know what I mean but whatever somewhere

0:36:56 Lydia: Just write a different song yeah

0:36:58 Clip: Politically correct liberals have redone "Baby It's Cold Outside." I don't have a video for it, there's no video, but just see if you can hear these lyrics, it sums up to me how everything is a war, everything left is a one fun and romance baby I'm fine with that, can you stop for a second? There, this guy masturbates, this is another problem with pornography it kills the lion in you, so when a woman romantically goes, I should probably go, and he's just so flaccid, he goes, yeah, whatever, I don't care, I'll just either masturbate after you leave or I probably already did, so nice culture, Western world, okay, go ahead

0:37:05 Thomas: Reaction to this is the best yeah

0:37:26 Lydia: Western

0:37:27 Thomas: You were not ready for what was coming

0:37:44 Lydia: World, oh

0:37:46 Thomas: Was not prepared for that, I, for, so is he part of the fucking M2, Magic the Gathering, uh, own way, no, men going their own way, I could always mix up the well, or is he married, I don't, because that's a very incel thing to be like. Like,

0:37:48 Lydia: Maybe well, he's married no he's married, he's married I

0:37:59 Thomas: OK, OK. So it's not quite the incel version, but it's the like, that's a weird marriage of things. That's I guess he's he's not religious, right? So he's coming at it from an angle of like, can't masturbate because then, you know, you won't be rapey enough as a man. Like you need to be.

0:38:14 Lydia: It kills the lion in you, okay

0:38:16 Thomas: Jesus Christ. Imagine if imagine if I ever said, I can't do that and it kills the lion in me, like, yeah I know, what kind of asshole, and it's always guys who look like this yeah yeah you better start killing the lion if you know what I mean, you're choking the lion out of you over there first but, like, at the same time, he has to recognize that, like, whoever's doing this is not doing it as though, oh, I know, we fixed the song so it can be a good Christmas song that still works in this way, like, I think that's them just being like, oh, no, just as a either as a, as a goof, or just to make a point, we're

0:38:16 Lydia: Oh my God, divorce I feel like this isn't working out, better get used to doing that because I'm leaving, yeah yeah yeah

0:39:00 Thomas: Just gonna change the song to not rapey, that's not them saying like, okay, this is our version of perfect romance or something, no, no, that's one would say like, hey, it's, I really gotta go, I'm fine with that, like, that wouldn't, you wouldn't say that, nobody says that, you might be like, the, oh, okay, Norts

0:39:14 Lydia: This yeah, this guy, I mean, I just found a quote of his, back in 2003, he said, "No means no is puritanism." I think Steinem-era feminism did women a lot of injustices, but one of the worst ones was convincing all these indie Norts that women don't want to be dominated, don't know what that is, Norts yeah

0:39:34 Thomas: That's a new one Norts, I can't even think of what that would be, guy's nuts, because we're past no means no now, like that, no means know is yesteryear's bad, uh, model of consent, and he's like, oh, this no means no, that's gone too far, so he's, he wants to go to pre no means no, and that actually fits with what, so boy, he's a consistent cause, yeah, he wants to go no means maybe or yes, and you just have to not kill the lion in you so that you can badger a fucking woman into maybe having sex with you in a non-consensual way, that's what, that how he feels.

0:39:40 Lydia: Yeah what it sounds to me like is he actually is pro-rape like truly

0:40:16 Thomas: Yeah, boy, it almost is like that, That caveat he gave in the beginning was almost like a red flag of some kind that, yeah, Jesus Christ. This guy masturbates.

0:40:18 Lydia: Yeah yeah yeah, make you swipe left, yeah

0:40:40 Thomas: This is perfect comedy. You just see his face. He's like, you can't even understand this. Boy, that's a scary,

0:40:46 Lydia: Yeah. Don't know. He creeps me out. He's he's very concerning.

0:40:49 Thomas: Yeah. That's, that's very, very rape culture stuff that's damaging to our society. And now it's kind of bumming me out.

0:40:54 Lydia: Yeah. All right. Well, let's move on.

0:40:56 Thomas: Well, I just had to, now I got to play the end of that other video that we, we pause this in the Tom special and we won't belabor it too much, but this is my favorite thing about all of conservatives ever is this exact thing. And by the way, we're going to skip the rest of the literally eight minutes of him saying he's gay over that whatever so In the Tom special, it's okay if you haven't heard it, don't worry, we start on this video because it's silly and it's about gingerbread people, and then they take a little, uh, detour that, that goes into this exact topic that is the funniest thing ever.

0:40:57 Lydia: Oh, yeah. Yep.

0:41:28 Clip: Well, so maybe the lesson is that the rest of us shouldn't participate in our own spiritual neutering. We should at every step along the way say, I'm not complying with that. That is right. Call HR on me, I am not doing it. And look, this Kentucky radio station is a very good example of that. You know, maybe it's cold outside. The famous songs come under fire for being inappropriate. Appropriate. And a station in Ohio cut it off of their list. Well, a Kentucky radio station decided to put it on a loop, five different versions, because it's been covered by everybody, and they played it continuously for two hours. Obviously, Kentucky, for two hours on Sunday, was Nirvana. And they just played it, and everybody loved it, and they said, look, we stand behind this, we're going to play it, we are not afraid, and that's a very good idea,

0:41:44 Thomas: We go this is 2018 by the way this is the best Jesus fucking Christ, yeah.

0:42:09 Thomas: Oh yeah yeah yeah this

0:42:14 Lydia: Clockwork orange.

0:42:15 Clip: Is that this is the one way to stop it, is to cut it

0:42:16 Thomas: Is how they torture detainees at Guantanamo. This is, I love this, is that there was a comic during, uh, some Trump era thing, so I couldn't remember, so I just searched mega comic stake, are you okay," that's all I, that's all I remembered from it. And, uh, yeah, yeah, there's one of the panels said, "are you okay?" This is, from 2017, and it's like just a girl and a guy with a MAGA hat. And she says, ha, Trump likes his steaks well done with ketchup. Jesus. And then he says, oh no, are you offended? And she's like, what? Oh, flavor is for cucks. I burn my steaks now. I smother them in Heinz. Are you so offended? We are owning, live so hard with steak eating. Hashtag well done. Are you crying? Do you need a safe space? She just says, are you okay? I swear, the slightest thing lets set you people off, I'm very normal, he's like using a chainsaw to cut his like burnt

0:42:19 Lydia: Yep. Yep. Yep. Oh, my

0:43:10 Thomas: Steak with like tons of ketchup, it's that exact thing, like we're, they are literally, in order to get back at the libs, they're fucking waterboarding themselves with the, like, a very B minus song, like, okay fine, but any song, even if it's an A plus, us two hours on a loop. Jesus Christ, there's nothing going on in their brains, that's the only way you could manage something like that, like our cats would be fine with that, but like if you are a thinking human with a brain, how could you listen to one song on a loupe for two hours? That's something that a lot of retail workers have to put up with in different ways, and I feel for them so bad, I think that's like actual Geneva Convention violation, like we should not, make ever have to listen to repetitive music in that way. Now, I'm sensitive to that because my brain can only focus on music if that's what's on. But, like, come on. I mean, I know I'm abnormal. But, normal people also can't like two-hour loops of Baby, It's Cold Outside. Am I wrong?

0:43:11 Lydia: God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't think you're wrong. Also I wonder like what the listener traffic was like, how well that radio station did or if people were like, I'm not listening to this anymore. I'll just listen to something else or I'll just turn off the radio and listen to silence because I can't. It's too much.

0:44:23 Thomas: It's so funny. You really got us. You owned us. And I love it because it's a radio station in Kentucky. The details of the story are so great. I've been laughing about this ever since I saw this. So

0:44:23 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah, it

0:44:34 Clip: For being inappropriate. And a station in Ohio cut it off of their list, where a Kentucky radio station decided to put it on a loop, five different versions, because it's been covered by everybody, and they play it continuously for two hours. Obviously, Kentucky for two Hours on Sunday was Nirvana. And they just play it, and everybody loved it, but

0:44:55 Lydia: Nirvana.

0:44:54 Thomas: That confused me so much I was like, yeah, do they normally play Nirvana during that? Like, I was trying to figure out

0:44:59 Lydia: No, she just means like it was heaven.

0:45:02 Thomas: Yeah, but that's insane, so it, did I'm still not sure, is that what she meant? I was like, did they take over the two hour Nirvana slot that they normally do, which wouldn't be like that strange

0:45:02 Lydia: Yeah yeah. Yeah, think so. But yeah, there's no way this woman is talking about Nirvana.

0:45:16 Thomas: Yeah.

0:45:15 Clip: They said, look, we stand behind This, we're going to play it. We're not afraid, and that's a very good idea is that this is the one way to stop it is

0:45:17 Thomas: No. You're right. Not afraid to play one song on a two hour loop and then I'm not afraid to be like fuck that, Jesus, Jesus Christ. I wouldn't care if it was my favorite song. I'm not going to listen two hours. You're inflicting a two-hour loop of the same song on everyone to own the libs. It's incredible. God, it's incredible! All right, folks, I'm cutting in here to say that actually we went way longer than we thought, so this is going to be it for part two, and then we'll do part three, and that's the final. And in part three there's some great stuff to come. So next time on Where There's Woke, black Santa tap dancing is the Nutcracker, Christmasy enough, but what if you put a black person in it, then is it still Christmas-y enough? Those very important legitimate controversies and more, and we find out the fate of our Confederate Christmas soldier in the final installment of the war on Christmas, brought to you by PBS, broadcasting, podcasting, and viewers like you. See you then.

0:45:30 Lydia: Yep.

0:46:40 Thomas: Is he, he might be doing the guy from Home Alone instead. What's his name? He might be doing uh, it's my job to not know names and your job to note. Yeah.

0:46:45 Lydia: Yeah my cousin Vinny um what's his name I know it it's cousin Vinny is oh Joe Pesci

0:46:56 Thomas: It's Zooey Deschanel and what's his name from Rock from the Sun.

0:47:00 Lydia: Long.

0:47:00 Thomas: Well, that's it. No, no.

0:47:02 Lydia: Oh, oh, you're saying 500 Days of Summer? It's from that?

0:47:05 Thomas: Third Rock From the Sun

0:47:07 Lydia: Yeah, I thought you were making a joke that Justin Long looks like him as a kid.

0:47:10 Thomas: No, it's Zoey Deshanel and the guy from Third rock from the sun. There it is. Yeah, I like that. You're trying to translate my brain. I do appreciate that. You're Trying to be like, this is a joke he's making and it must be this.

0:47:12 Lydia: And Joseph Gordon-Levitt. I thought, did they do Baby's Cold Outsider? Did they do?

0:47:23 Thomas: Didn't they?

0:47:23 Lydia: No, I Think They Did What Are You Doing for New Year's Day?

0:47:26 Thomas: Are you sure? I swear he did. Okay, maybe I blended it together. Together, Zoe de Chanel and Justin, what's his name? Joseph Gordon

0:47:35 Lydia: Joseph Gordon Levitt. Yeah, what are you doing New Year'S Day?

0:47:39 Thomas: You're Right, I blended it together in my mind, so they didn't do that. Well, good, I actually was worried, I was like, didn't they do that song? So now, okay, skip all that, so