WTW16: Unmarried Woman Posts Happy TikTok. Fox News Loses It

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0:00:41 Thomas: Hello, and welcome to Where There's Woke. I don't know what episode this is because we record everything in advance, so who cares? I'm Thomas. That's my beautiful, amazing wife, Heath. And Lydia has joined us.

0:00:51 Heath: Hello.

0:00:54 Thomas: I do that every time.

0:00:54 Lydia: Man, third wheeling it. Yeah.

0:00:55 Thomas: Yeah, it's unfortunately.

0:00:56 Heath: Oh, hey, Lydia.

0:00:58 Thomas: Oh, yeah, sorry. Heath, I might not have mentioned Lydia's going to be here. Sorry Sorry about that. That's on me. We'll talk. We'll take a break. We'll be back. Fine. It's okay. No, it's fine. We'll talking later. It's fine just not now. Don't do it in

0:00:58 Lydia: I'm here too. Yeah Are

0:01:04 Heath: Okay, no, that's fine. That's fine, got

0:01:08 Lydia: You in a small closet in our house too, Heath?

0:01:12 Heath: It.

0:01:14 Thomas: A manner of speaking. Yeah, we're Are a little closeted, but what that will change will soon change that. So this is in addition to the deep research ones that we put out. We also like to have a little fun here on Where There's Woke and this is a more fun one because

0:01:17 Heath: I'm right behind you.

0:01:31 Heath: I did some deep research on TikTok about this. I don't know, it feels like you were saying this wasn't journalism, but for me it was.

0:01:33 Thomas: Oh did you you was it with all the time that you have, the extra time that you have that we don't, that you're like, I'm gonna have shishuka and

0:01:42 Heath: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

0:01:45 Lydia: I'm gonna make a quick shakshuka yeah

0:01:46 Thomas: Yeah no you're okay, sorry, I didn't mean to diminish that, uh, didn't do deep research, but we did life research, and we like to keep track of what's, you, society according to Fox News, in a given hour. I Was gonna say week, and then I was like, no, it's like by the day, and I was like, no, that's truly by the segment. Like, know, like there's a new thing ruining civilization on Fox News just hour to hour, you know, like it doesn't even

0:01:47 Heath: Yeah.

0:01:57 Lydia: Yep yep

0:02:07 Heath: Literally civilization. We'll get to it. They're going to say this is ruining human civilization. It's going to come to an end.

0:02:14 Lydia: Rolling

0:02:14 Thomas: Yeah yep, and would you like to guess, is it, um, change, is there an asteroid heading to, is it just the, of, you, democracy and institutions, and, yeah.

0:02:27 Lydia: Back regulations and no safe drinking water our air is polluted

0:02:31 Thomas: Is it any of that? No, no. It's women enjoying themselves a little bit, I think.

0:02:31 Lydia: Yeah Yeah.

0:02:36 Heath: It's Shakshuka, the bane of human civilization?

0:02:41 Lydia: Yeah.

0:02:42 Thomas: But more than that, it is the very idea, which cannot be countenanced on Fox News, of a woman being happy with her choices to not be chattel. Or whatever, you know, to not just be only a uterus and nothing more.

0:02:53 Heath: Yeah. Oh, it's so good. Yeah. We got this TikTok clip of this woman who seems so happy. She's just like genuinely happy.

0:03:04 Lydia: Well rested.

0:03:04 Heath: She's rested. She'S eating well.

0:03:06 Lydia: I'm watching it. I mean, I'm like, oh, God, that's so nice.

0:03:05 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah, she's everything. We're not. This actually Heath? Is this just you in a wig? Is this your channel?

0:03:16 Heath: Okay. Be honest. I literally today woke up very late because I can.

0:03:20 Lydia: Amazing. Yes. Yes.

0:03:22 Thomas: Yeah.

0:03:22 Heath: I went to a delightful restaurant by myself. Nobody bothered me. I did it exactly when I wanted.

0:03:25 Thomas: Oh, that's so nice.

0:03:28 Heath: I walked over there and I almost ordered shakshuka by chance. They actually do have it there.

0:03:26 Lydia: Amazing, sure.

0:03:34 Heath: It's a really good place.

0:03:33 Thomas: Just get in character. Yeah yeah. This is great, I love this, I'm so happy to have you on to talk about this, um, uh, well, do you want to present our, uh, subject matter for the day?

0:03:35 Heath: Yeah.

0:03:44 Lydia: Sure, as you alluded to, right, in a tizzy, basically, because a went on TikTok to present what her life looks like and how nice it is to not have children right now from perspective. And in response to this video, everyone went nuts. Was was just ridiculous. Matt Walsh really kicked it off. But I have some tweets here from like Stephen Miller, everyone like was chiming in.

0:03:55 Thomas: Which We're Gonna play

0:04:13 Heath: Walsh who chimed in on this. That's going to be beautiful.

0:04:15 Lydia: Yeah, this

0:04:14 Thomas: That's That's Why this went viral At first Yeah, so Don't think she had like a huge account but she had a, what, a Semi -popular Oh We should have got her On, damn It, I Didn't to know That.

0:04:16 Heath: Oh, Oh, That's fantastic, but

0:04:21 Lydia: She's actually a podcaster, apparently. I know. I don't know. I didn't know that until today.

0:04:26 Thomas: Oh, okay. Well, we'll see. But yeah, I don't think she was like a, you huge TikToker is my impression, but she had a following and then, you man is like, how dare you?

0:04:27 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah,

0:04:34 Heath: She's also a star of the silver microphone medium, called podcasting, so nice.

0:04:39 Thomas: But Matt Walsh, you Reticked it?

0:04:41 Lydia: He tweeted. Yeah?

0:04:42 Thomas: Talked it? I don't know. The kids fucking.

0:04:43 Lydia: No, no, he wasn't on TikTok. He tweeted it out with the video. Four point nine million views on this tweet, by the way. Life doesn't revolve around her family and kids. So instead, it revolves around TV shows and pop stars. Worst of all, she's too stupid to realize how depressing this is. Yeah.

0:05:03 Thomas: Okay. Well, then I guess we better- probably the TikTok, and then we have- have a Fox News segment, but we gotta start with a TikTok, otherwise the segment won't make sense

0:05:09 Heath: To be clear he's tweeting about how depressing her life is just want to make sure that context is very clear, god

0:05:12 Lydia: Yeah, exactly.

0:05:10 Thomas: Yeah I love the idea of she- fine summer's day, she's woken up late, she's just strolling around with all her free time and beautiful skin and everything- everything, she has time to do all the self-care that, you know, Lydia and I don't have time to- to do, and she's just a butterfly, like, lands on her hand, and it's a rainbow in

0:05:30 Lydia: Yeah. Living her

0:05:35 Heath: It looks so good, she's yeah

0:05:36 Lydia: Best life.

0:05:36 Thomas: The sky, she's- yeah, drinking, eating whatever she wants, and then Matt Walsh is like, she's too dumb to know she's depressed

0:05:42 Heath: She's doing yoga and she's like, you- you can see her oxytocin levels on it's so good.

0:05:44 Lydia: Oh, I know. I know,

0:05:45 Thomas: Yeah yeah she's actually radiating, she gives off a Light energy. And so, know we We thought we'd have an expert in, you, Living Levita, sorry, Living It Up. I was making a 90s reference. It doesn't even make sense. Enright, of course, of such pods as all the pods that you already listened to. Got Off on Movies, Kevin Kraske, Citation Needed. Oh, I love that one. Don't want to forget that one, let's see. Did I miss, oh, D &D Minus.

0:05:51 Lydia: Yeah.

0:06:12 Heath: D &D Minus.

0:06:13 Thomas: Yeah, I listened to all these.

0:06:14 Heath: Also known as two Ds in a pod. Some people are calling that because it's an awesome pun.

0:06:18 Thomas: I like that, that's good.

0:06:19 Heath: Getting a lot of traction. It's

0:06:19 Thomas: Yeah, ooh, season one just wrapped up. That hell of a finale over on D &D Minus. I enjoyed it. It wait.

0:06:22 Heath: Oh, that was so fun. We're just finished up season one. And season two is on the way. It does exist in the universe, but not on the feed quite yet.

0:06:36 Thomas: He had time to do all that because he does not have any children that we know of. That's what makes you the expert we wanted to consult today. So why don't I, should I push play on this TikTok? And we'll try not to get too outraged at a woman living her life, all

0:06:42 Heath: Yep, fingers crossed, let's

0:06:44 Lydia: Yeah let's do it, okay

0:06:51 Heath: Do it I

0:06:53 Clip: It's 10 .45am on a Saturday. I'm 29 and single and I don't have kids yet. Here's what your Saturday morning looks like when you're single at 29 and you don't have a kid running around the house. I didn't rise from my bed until 10 .15. Every time I thought, I should probably get up and fuck up.

0:07:08 Thomas: Right I'm sorry, I have to stop us uh, which by the way, you can stop any- to, anyone can elect to stop us anytime, but I need to deal with, I'm going, truly, I'm gonna do about 35 minutes on The scourge of today's society, which is the quick edit, I think, is now done on purpose, and I want to die, it's The worst.

0:07:10 Heath: Hate

0:07:14 Lydia: A tight 35? Yeah, yeah that's

0:07:27 Heath: It, I hate it

0:07:28 Lydia: A style on TikTok actually, that it's classic, a very way to do Tiktak videos yeah

0:07:28 Thomas: Yeah I

0:07:30 Heath: Yeah it's not only acceptable, it's like chic to do it, I hate it yeah

0:07:36 Thomas: Look an occasional quick edit for comedic points, points, brilliant, nothing wrong with that, sometimes it's great, but now it's every edit is that, I, you don't have kids, you got time, dude, but I guess

0:07:46 Heath: Get a second camera you have all the time in the world, you're fine

0:07:48 Thomas: Yeah

0:07:50 Lydia: You also don't have to press stop like this is a stream, stream of thoughts, you know, she really could probably do it in a take and it would be fine.

0:07:50 Heath: Right

0:07:51 Thomas: Nah

0:07:57 Heath: Did she say something insane during these cuts that like had to go, maybe oh

0:07:57 Lydia: Yeah.

0:08:00 Thomas: Yeah I really think it's a style and This will be an unexpected, I always think we try to predict like what's going to be the thing where we're the old boomer being like, fuck this, we can't do it anymore. More. And love thinking about this stuff. I've always, I don't know why. I think it was because we grew up in such a rapid technology change era, you know, with the internet really coming to its own and all that, that even as a kid, I was like, oh, what's going to be the thing that'll be like, we'll we be old and we'll back. We can't even understand this because it's so whatever. I Cause think it's impossible to predict.

So this is one of those ones, like maybe this is it. Maybe all, all media, all video, all audio for gen fucking Z or whatever they are. Maybe it'll all be this, like, that'll be the way they think it sounds normal to just have a cutoff thing on the back of every sentence every single time. They'll be like, yeah, that's normal. That's good editing. And I'll be Like, I'm going to kill myself. I can't do, I am a

0:08:03 Lydia: Yeah.

0:08:11 Heath: This might be it right

0:08:51 Thomas: A boomer. I will not do it.

0:08:53 Heath: Yeah, this, this is a get off my lawn moment for me too, absolutely, line in the sand edit better nobody wants to edit anymore that's the problem, in the world, in the economy, this is the downfall of civilization, right Here, me,

0:08:55 Thomas: It is. Get off of my edit lawn. Okay. That I, uh, yeah, yeah.

0:09:01 Lydia: It is the downfall of civilization.

0:09:07 Thomas: I offered $8 and 50 cents for someone to edit and nobody took the job. Yeah. Nobody wants to edit.

0:09:11 Heath: And Thomas are going to go on Fox News and talk about this for a while as soon as we can, okay

0:09:14 Lydia: Oh, my God. Amazing.

0:09:16 Thomas: Okay, Okay, so that was 59 minutes, but I'm sure I edited that down. So don't worry in the recording. Okay. Let's do, we need to grab lunch or we

0:09:25 Heath: It's pretty funny if you just put a bunch of terrible cuts in that segment just now, nice

0:09:26 Thomas: Really should. All right. Back to it.

0:09:34 Clip: Why? Nobody's making me. I'm not missing out on anything. I went to Beyoncé last night and I didn t get home until 1am. And I danced and drank my little heart out and I didn't pay a babysitter to watch my kids as I did that. And I woke up a tad hungover this morning, which is probably why I was in bed for so long. And I was just scrolling on my phone, and I saw a picture of Shakshuka, and I thought, you know what sounds really good? Maybe I'm gonna learn how to make Shakshucha today. Because I have no plans, and I don't have kids, and I don't have a husband, and I don't have errands to run.

0:09:41 Lydia: Yes. Oh, my God.

0:10:00 Heath: So Good.

0:10:00 Clip: I can go to the grocery store and learn how make Shakshukah. So that's on my agenda today. Also on my Agenda, probably a rewatch of some Real Housewives of New York.

0:10:01 Heath: I Woke up. I masturbated by myself. I had like seven orgasms. It was the best. Nobody involved in that, just me. So fun. Nice.

0:10:17 Clip: I'm also doing a re -watch of Normal People on Hulu, which is really spicy and I highly recommend. Weirdly, I'm into this documentary on Netflix about blue zone countries, so I've got a pretty stacked day. Anyway, I say all this to say, whenever I'm hard on myself about why I'm not married and I don't have kids and I should be further along at 29, almost 30, I wouldn't want to do anything else this Saturday. I know that you can do all these things when you have kids, and you're married, and I Understand, but the effortlessness and ease of my life, just kind of focusing on myself and the shakshuka I want to make or the Beyonce concert I want to go to really pays off when I'm hard on myself for not being where society tells me I should be in life.

0:10:27 Thomas: No,

0:10:31 Heath: Little Saturday. Oh,

0:10:42 Thomas: You can't, you really can't.

0:10:59 Lydia: Love that. Love that so much.

0:11:00 Heath: So good and She's even self -aware she's not even being judgy she's like, yeah, no, I get it, it's like harder for people who have kids like this though, yeah

0:11:03 Lydia: Exactly. Yeah. And I think what's important, too, is that element of, you sometimes I get hard on myself. I should be further along in life. I should have a partner. I should be married. I shouldn't have kids. But it's okay to not, like, hard on yourself in those ways. What she's experiencing now is also life and, you know, really important for her. And I think that that probably resonates with a lot of people who tend to, especially women, you feel like that clock ticking if that's something that they're looking for and understand that at the end of the day, it really isn't about having kids by a certain age. It's not about having a partner by a certain age, you might not do it at all. And you can still have a fulfilling, awesome life. And her life sounds awesome. So freaking Beyonce.

0:11:26 Heath: Really,

0:11:51 Lydia: Yeah, I know.

0:11:50 Heath: Does Oh, Come on, queen. Bee Beehive for life.

0:11:51 Thomas: Yeah, no.

0:11:56 Lydia: And I mean, you chimed in on a little bit, too, about she's like, I don't know. I know you can do this stuff if you have kids and it it's really freaking hard.

0:11:56 Heath: Absolutely.

0:12:03 Thomas: You really can't, yeah, yeah.

0:12:05 Lydia: You can't do it spontaneously at all. It's you a conversation that like you and I have where I'm I'm tapping out kind of thing. And you're like, you need some time.

0:12:15 Thomas: Like once every five years.

0:12:16 Lydia: Yeah, yeah. And then we have to organize it, right? And in the same way that, yeah, pretty much.

0:12:17 Thomas: Yeah, There's a whole planning committee. So, I can, yeah. We

0:12:24 Lydia: Pull up the calendars.

0:12:24 Thomas: Call heathen to do some consulting. We're like, hey, man, we forgot how to have fun. I think you call it, is the word you use normally, your people, fun. And so, can you help us with that? And then he draws us up like, okay, here's how to remember what fun is. And we're, we're like, I don't, okay.

0:12:25 Lydia: Yeah.

0:12:40 Thomas: I'll take your word for it. Like, I know we did. We go through the motions. I'm not even sure we're having fun. I'm just like, I think this is what fun is supposed to be. And then we do it and it's fine. Costs us a thousand dollars in babysitter fees.

0:12:34 Heath: Yeah, okay, ready? So,

0:12:51 Lydia: And that was my next point. If we wantedto go to Beyonce, say, freaking, or anything, even just to dinner, babysitting is, you know, understandably, we're going to pay someone for that. That but adds up so fast and it's not really something that you can do all the time, so,

0:12:52 Thomas: Yeah.

0:13:07 Thomas: Yeah. Really felt for her in that moment. It's the common thing at Heath. I'm sure you're the same way where, you know, you're going to get a bunch of fucking annoying ass comments. She was trying to head it off. Like, oh, I understand why she's doing that, But no, you really can't do all that while you're married. She just envisioned a bunch of married people being, I can do that. No, the only way you can do that is if you have a spouse who's like, I will perform miraculous feats for you to have like eight hours of this, maybe. Like move heaven and earth for you. For you to maybe get a taste of this life that she's describing for like four minutes. And then...

0:13:15 Lydia: Yeah,

0:13:22 Heath: Yeah, Right, right.

0:13:43 Heath: And you can't even do it together. Then as as two spouses, yeah.

0:13:44 Thomas: No, he can't.

0:13:45 Lydia: And and I'll tell you, like, from, from my experience, it's it's also really hard to turn off that part of your brain while I'm getting that time to myself for myself. Often, you know, you have thoughts creeping through of the to do list. It's that mental load. How do you let go of that mental mode? Even if you have those eight hours to focus on yourself or learn how to make shakshuka, that stuff still creeps in and you're like, oh, crap, I forgot to do, you know, changing the dentist appointments for the kids.

0:13:50 Thomas: Yeah.

0:14:09 Lydia: I need to make sure I do that, you know, when I'm done with my eight hours of me time, um, it's just constant

0:14:09 Heath: I have have the same thing with podcasting, it's just like having three kids. It's like really really hard.

0:14:16 Lydia: Never again,

0:14:16 Thomas: Yeah, yeah, exactly the same, or Someone be like, I have a dog, so it's the same. It's like, yeah, I mean, yes and no, we went through the puppy process and that's, I'm not saying that's not hard, in some ways it's worse, yeah, in some way it's worst, but it's also very temporary and then quickly it becomes a different thing. And also, if you neglect your dog a tiny amount, it doesn't feel like you've committed the worst heinous crime in the history of civilization, you know, like if you accidentally, oh, oh, shoot, accidentally didn't, let you know, whereas if you do anything like that with a kid, you're killed by a mob of people. So it's, well, I mean, I guess with a dog, you might be killed by a mob, heaths of dog lovers for feed, but you could forget to feed your dog for like 15 minutes and it's like, oh, that sucks, but here you go, and is forgiven. You forget to feed you're the worst person alive.

0:14:34 Lydia: Yeah, Yeah, yeah,

0:15:03 Thomas: Yeah, So the stakes are low. I'm not saying you should do, do either of those things, but like the stakes are lower. We've been through both of these processes and the dog sucked, but it's not as hard of long term as kids, but and

0:15:03 Heath: You're in jail, now, yeah, yeah. I

0:15:05 Lydia: Oh,

0:15:16 Heath: Had a question about the societal pressure concept there, so, Lydia, you're talking about it and I'm guessing that pressure is huge on women in comparison to like the tiny amount that I've experienced, but I actually have a small anecdote about me experiencing that, but I'm just curious, curious, like, what that level was from your family, just to give me some, uh, privilege checking, okay?

0:15:34 Lydia: You know, actually not From my family, um, my parents didn't get married until they, they were 35. atheists, liberal Californians, you know, they had zero expectations for marriage for me. Like, it's your life. Do it or don't do it when you want to, when you don't want to.

0:15:42 Thomas: They're atheist, California liberals, like, we're not, you know,

0:15:55 Lydia: Yeah. So that was really easygoing.

0:15:42 Heath: Oh, Nice. You're like, really good parents? Apparently, whatever, check your privilege.

0:16:00 Lydia: And it was the same with kids, too.

0:16:00 Thomas: So how many toothpick sandwiches did your dad give you, I don't know if does the public know, No, that joke, I forget. But, but anyway, Heath's dad fed him toothpick sandwiches as a prank. And Heath

0:16:02 Lydia: Yeah, yeah, oh my God, oh.

0:16:06 Heath: I, well, it, what it makes it sound crazy, like, that he would, he would sneak a toothpick into, he would, like, if he made like an English muffin for me, he'd like sneak one toothpick in sideways so you couldn't see it, but it was like embedded in the thing and then I'd bite down on it and it would be like if you're like, I got you, because it's a classic prank and that's funny, I

0:16:15 Thomas: Right. Sorry.

0:16:23 Lydia: My gosh, that's not that's not a hilarious prank oh my God, no, that's horrible.

0:16:33 Thomas: And Was a pivotal time, not to bring up a sad memory, but I remember, Dad, when was at his final kind of days where I was so conflicted because I wanted to text you a joke. Joke. And I'm not, I'm not actually like a joke about death guy. Like it depends on the thing, but I'm Not going to do that for anyone else. Like I'm not going to assume anyone else ever wants a joke about their thing because the risk is too high. You know, I just don't, it's not worth it for me. But I was like, Oh, I was like, I just want to text Keith this joke. I almost did, but it's like, ah, I don't want to. And then I ran it by you afterwards. And you're like, you definitely should have done that. I was like, damn it. It would've been so funny.

0:16:46 Heath: Remember this, sure. That

0:16:53 Lydia: Yeah, it's not worth it

0:17:07 Heath: Would have been the best.

0:17:07 Thomas: And the joke was this, when you, you know, we're kind of at your dad's side for those final moments, maybe you, you pranked yourself with like one last toothpick sandwich and we're like, oh, hey, dad, and he like barely, you know, he can, he can kind of blink in acknowledgement, and you are, you got me again, I, one last toothpick sandwich.

0:17:07 Heath: Yeah, yeah, no, I, I should have done that. What, I what I did do is I had hospice, they snick, they snuck a toothpick into his morphine for, for one last little bit. But he didn't really get it. It was the joke that the hospice people didn't have the sense of humor. I was hoping they would about that.

0:17:36 Thomas: Yeah, no, it's not the same, they probably didn't do it right, they probably, I didn't do it like in the funny way that you intended. It

0:17:44 Heath: No, no, I meant. Yeah, exactly. I had to give him notes. I was like, no but funnier. And they were like, we're not doing it again. And I was, like, okay, this went badly.

0:17:45 Thomas: Yeah, oh,

0:17:52 Lydia: So you were saying that you felt, you know, experience of societal pressure too, tiny, amount

0:17:57 Heath: Oh, yeah. A tiny amount from especially my grandmother, my mom's mom, not a whole lot. She was pretty chill, too, about this sort of thing. But a couple different times during like a holiday or something, I'm in my 30s and she's like, hey, man, noticed you're in your 30s. And here you are at Thanksgiving. I'm not being introduced to your like fiance right now or anything like that. What the fuck are you doing, man? D up. And I was like, OK, OK. I get it. And her of her comments was like. You know, to a balance of population like you have two kids, you have to kids, You know, like two people get together and have two kids. That's what me and my husband did. You know we had your mom and your mom's sister and that's how it's done.

0:18:01 Lydia: Yeah, oh, gosh,

0:18:13 Thomas: God, that's what we did, we just miscounted slightly. Yeah, it was 2.1, and we figured, well, you got to round up because, like, you know, because if we all, well, yeah, if the population all did two and it turns out you, you need 2.1, we're gonna all die so we round it up yeah yeah

0:18:40 Lydia: It's actually 2 .1, yeah.

0:18:52 Lydia: We'll help yeah yeah Yeah.

0:18:39 Heath: Yeah. Yeah, right. Okay. Yeah be safe. Absolutely. Right. No air on the side of not extincting human beings. I feel like that's Smart. Aren't

0:18:56 Lydia: Exactly.

0:18:54 Thomas: Yeah because 0 .1 of a human isn't anything that's why you have to round up if if there's a group and you're like hey grab me 2. 1 you're gonna be like well I'll get you three because I otherwise you know what I mean so that's That's, that's, our excuse.

0:19:04 Lydia: Yep.

0:19:03 Heath: Yeah. No. That's how we know evolution is fake, because, like, point one humans doesn't even make sense, um, my grandma said that, and I was like, yeah, no, like, I'll, I'll let you know as, you know, things are progressing with with a lady friend, if that's, if that starts happening, um, not against getting married or having kids, I just haven't done it yet, and then I kind of like defended the position a little bit, and I was like, hey, you know what I did today and I described what what I did today, and my grandma was like, oh, that, that sounds great, that actually sounds amazing, and then I was like, wait a minute, that's what you did today too, because at this point my grandfather had passed away, and my grandma, she's 98 years old, she's healthier than I will ever be in my life or have ever been in my life.

0:19:13 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow.

0:19:29 Thomas: Yeah.

0:19:49 Heath: She's going to outlive me, very likely. She she almost runs, like, I don't know that it's four four anymore, but she runs a quick, quick 40. She hikes every day.

0:19:50 Thomas: She runs a 4 -4 -40. Jesus.

0:19:59 Heath: She swims in an Olympic sized swimming pool every day she's politically active. She contacts like movie makers to do screenings at her beautiful senior community. That's like truly, truly beautiful. Like, I don't know how she pulled this off. She lives like on the Hudson river. It's gorgeous. I was like, didn't you have a day just like that, but like healthier and better and like more active than me. And she was like, yeah, yeah. And it's great. It was great. And I was like, so you're like super happy since you got to be like by yourself and retired without having to deal with kids and she was like yeah it's like the happiest time of my life so I was like

0:20:00 Thomas: What? What

0:20:02 Lydia: Amazing. Amazing.

0:20:12 Thomas: The hell? Yeah.

0:20:29 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah. And the only reason she has that is because she miraculously is living that life at 98, whereas a lot of people have to fucking grind themselves to a pulp, have the kids and then right when they're like, all right, time to have a little fall heart attack. I'm dead. Damn it. The Walsh Also, I love this idea that Matt Walsh is getting all high and mighty about life revolving around TV shows. I got news for you, we got three kids, our life still revolves around TV shots.

0:20:31 Heath: Okay yep Yep. No, she's nailing it. She's like beating all the actuaries. Yeah.

0:20:39 Lydia: Yep. Mm hmm.

0:20:57 Heath: Seriously.

0:20:57 Thomas: Like, it's, a you know what's fucking great, TV shows, they're awesome, they're really good. That he's doing is fucking tweeting about a woman enjoying her day, that's what he's doing, that's so much more noble than watching a show that you like, fucking asshole.

0:20:57 Lydia: Yeah, yeah.

0:21:14 Heath: Did did he finish writing that tweet like in the dark by himself like an asshole and be like, "I'm fulfilled today and she is not," it's so sad.

0:21:22 Thomas: The funniest part really is the too dumb to know you're depressed, that is such a good, like, "I didn't want to play with you anyway" kind of thing or something, like it's just like, no, they just don't know, it's that meme with the guy standing in the corner or whatever when it's like, they don't have no idea that they're too dumb zu know they're depressed, they're just over there having the time of their fucking lives.

0:21:26 Lydia: Yeah

0:21:40 Heath: Yeah. Psychological Dunning Kruger, Matt Walsh is the perfect exemplar, absolutely. Let's

0:21:49 Thomas: Um, lest you think this clip could just happen and no one complain about it, we've already talked about Matt Walsh, uh, this led to a, a hard-hitting, uh, about Deep Research, a very hard-hitting segment on Fox News, shall we hit play on this one, yes?

0:21:51 Lydia: Let's do it.

0:22:05 Heath: Do it, fantastic.

0:22:06 Clip: Ashley St. Clair joins me now. Is this a trend among young women to celebrate not having a family? It is. It's the Chelsea Handler culture of it all where they just want to pursue pleasure and drinking all night and going to Beyonce concerts. It is this pursuit of self-pleasure in the place of fulfillment and having a a family and we see this often now and poor woman who

0:22:27 Thomas: Anytime. Yeah.

0:22:23 Heath: That's So good. Can We can We Just pause For A second here And Can We Congratulate Chelsea Handler on having like her name on a cultural phenomenon Now, Thanks to Fox News. Like, like, that's such a good boost for Chelsea Handler. I love that. I'm so happy for her.

0:22:34 Lydia: Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they lost their crap over Chelsea Handler, you know, the child free by choice step that she did, I don't know, a couple of years ago. Lost their minds over that, too. So I'm sure that's riling up the base using her name. Yeah, I

0:22:48 Heath: Mm-hmm. Yeah. She's winning so hard. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They're doing that, too.

0:22:56 Thomas: Is But But in a real milkshake duck scenario, um, Handler was dating Mel Gibson. So fuck her, I don't know if she still is.

0:23:03 Heath: Oh, what? Are you serious?

0:23:07 Thomas: But Yeah, that was, that's, that's a choice because, no. Oh,

0:23:03 Lydia: Know. Yeah, yeah. I don' t think so.

0:23:10 Heath: Okay. That's rough. But I'm going to say, if broken up, then this is wrong. But if they're still together, there's a non-zero chance that she's running some amazing prank that ends in something funny, like, that's not out of the question for Chelsea Handler. I forward to that, yeah, yeah.

0:23:25 Thomas: Yeah, that's like, uh, hey, maybe don't do that, but, yes, child-free, yeah, cool, agree, awesome, great. But the other cultural phenomenon, I don't know if there's a name for that one, dating the fucking horrible racist who's like, anyway, uh, yep, that's, there we go, we'll continue, yeah.

0:23:25 Heath: Yeah, the

0:23:40 Clip: Was blasted online, especially by Matt Walsh and the likes of them. I do feel bad for her, because you, you heard her say, she said, I don't have a family yet, and many of these women do want that, and I don't think she understood she was contributing to that Chelsea Handler culture that's very anti-natalist. They think that having a family is bad, having a kid is a burden, and, like you said, it's contributing to a declining birth right, and it will contribute to the fall of civilization in our country eventually. Why the propaganda to

0:24:06 Lydia: This is incredibly dramatic.

0:24:11 Heath: Decline of civilization in our country, specifically our country, though, right?

0:24:11 Thomas: Yeah

0:24:16 Lydia: Yeah. And so that's interesting because I like, there's no way. And really, I mean, there is a declining birth rate across the entire world. Country has a declining growth rate right now. And there are serious consequences when you think about what that could mean in like 100 years. And so like is.

0:24:23 Thomas: Well, yeah, yeah, The serious consequence is seven billion people instead of eight billion people? Is that what it is? Yeah.

0:24:37 Lydia: So here's the thing. It's the it's the difference between the generations, the volume of people within generations. And so basically we get stuck in this position where because there are so many boomers, we have to have enough kids to take care of all the boomers. And if we don't keep up with the rate that they decided

0:24:37 Heath: Right,

0:24:42 Thomas: I don't care or

0:24:48 Heath: We have to get social security taken care of for them, yeah,

0:24:53 Lydia: Yeah

0:24:55 Thomas: Fuck them because they support Trump anyway and they can die alone. How about that? That's another solution to it. How

0:24:56 Lydia: Yeah yeah So, some ways, like, yeah, maybe we just, right, size

0:25:02 Thomas: About, they take some of their vast wealth that they still have and build, uh, fucking in convalescent homes for themselves because fuck that, no, I've, I've had this argument, I feel like a million times, I don't care if the population, yeah, there may be a temporary, this is the greatest, like, pyramid scheme, they're no you have to see, if you don't have more kids then we're already there, then it's going to be a little financially inconvenient for a while, it's like, yeah, the globe will figure it out, we'll fucking figure it out, and then there will be fewer people, which is probably better, but also who cares?

0:25:03 Lydia: Right yeah mm

0:25:06 Heath: Yeah which is better for, like, the, the finite number of resources that we have on the planet theoretically, yeah, yeah, right,

0:25:40 Thomas: Yeah. Like, I don't want to go down that road. Cause I feel like that also goes down the road of like, oh, that, overpopulation is actually not really the problem that used I to think it was because people talked about it like it was. But like, also I don'T care either way. Like if, if our society is so fragile that us having 1 .7 kids instead of 2 .1, it just burns to the ground. Then like, maybe we we have other problems like maybe maybe we didn't maybe society uh yeah

0:25:53 Lydia: -hmm yep

0:26:02 Heath: Yeah instead of the pyramid scheme with, like, the birth rate having to constantly increase, like, we're, you, the board of a public company that has to worry about the shareholder, you could just have a better social safety net and we could just tax high dollars better and that would take care of, for example, Social Security, better, you, you know, real simple.

0:26:14 Thomas: Yeah yeah

0:26:23 Lydia: And Then maybe actually people would want to have kids then because there's actually support all right all

0:26:27 Heath: Yeah.

0:26:26 Thomas: Well let's finish this one out because there's plenty more to talk about there and there's only a minute left

0:26:28 Lydia: Right, yes.

0:26:30 Clip: Scare young women away from getting married and having children, because you see it everywhere with the climate agenda, and you see almost in the corporate agenda, to a certain extent, yes, it's a very anti-natalist agenda, anti-human agenda, in my opinion. We see it with everything, be a boss babe, don't have kids, don't have kids, they're bad for the environment, nothing worse than carbon emitting babies, babies that to me is a very evil thing to say. I

0:26:54 Lydia: Who

0:26:53 Thomas: Okay uh agree I know I 100 agree with her on that I don't know if anyone's saying an evil carbon emitting baby I don'T KNOW IF PEOPLE KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU KNOW IF YOU DON'T I have kids, Heath, your baby actually does have an exhaust port that just spills out smoke black all the time.

0:26:57 Lydia: Has said that

0:27:09 Heath: Okay. Well I can, can hear scombert firing a turbine in the background right now. Like that's clearly what's happening, right?

0:27:14 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah, your kids like, like, God, fuck, did we get a diesel kid? We should, ah, they no, this is something I feel pretty strongly about, and I haven't seen as much lately, so I'm glad, but we really stupid thing that I think is, in my opinion, probably just influenced by oil companies, which is people decided to like assign a carbon value to humans, you know, and then be like, don't make more humans. Cause then you're the, it's like, how about first off, fuck you. That's number one. It's like if you said, here's the thing, there's two large companies and they're murdering a thousand dolphins a year each. And so if you divide that out by the population, that means each of us is murdering whatever whatever amount of dolphins.

0:27:36 Heath: Yeah.

0:27:57 Thomas: And so if you have kids, you're making more dolphin. It's like, no, how about you ask them why they're murdering dolphins? How about you do that? And then stop them doing that. And then I'm I don't think I'm contributing to that problem. I'm pretty sure like I'm very, only very modestly, if at all contributing to the dolphin murder that I don'T sanction. So maybe look at the source of the murdering and not assign a value across all humans divided up.

0:27:56 Heath: Guys, We focus on the numerator? And they're like, there's no such thing. That's a hoax. It's only denominators. Fuck you. Yeah.

0:28:27 Thomas: Yeah, because like that is a thing that people consider. And if you want, by theway if you are worried about having kids because like the world is going to be fucked and you don't want to raise them in a fucked world by climate change, that I get. But there was a brief time, I don't hear it as much anymore, where people were like, yeah, nothing that contributes more to climate change than having a kid. And I'm like, fuck you, you, man. You can't just divide the average carbon output of humans and assign it more to a baby. You know what we could do is we could reduce that carbon output to zero and then, like, having a baby is zero carbon. Like, could.

0:29:01 Heath: Hoax again.

0:29:02 Thomas: There was an Onion article From like 2010 that I always love, that was like, scientists remind everybody that we have perfect renewable energy ready to go whenever, like, whatever you guys want. Like, it's not that much of an exaggeration. Like, obviously, you know, of course there's, we can get into all that, and there is a transition, there's challenges, but like, no, if we had the will to actually put serious effort into it to the same extent that we, you build, know, jets for no fucking reason and just make defense contractors rich beyond their wildest imaginings. If we put like a tenth of that energy into fixing, you, climate change, we could easily do it. And then the total output of carbon is fucking zero for your baby, because that's a societal issue. It's not a problem that my baby is making too much carbon.

0:29:03 Heath: Yeah.

0:29:04 Lydia: Yeah. Oh.

0:29:48 Heath: Also, if you just have a baby and the baby is educated well and ends up voting for clean energy instead of dirty, like that's a, I would imagine, a clear positive. So, like, what the fuck are we talking about?

0:29:57 Thomas: Yeah. Heard it here, Fox News is right, I now agree with Ashley Saint Clinton now. Okay, never mind, should

0:30:06 Lydia: Right.

0:30:07 Clip: This consistently, and we are, we do have a declining birth rate, we saw it with Rome, they had a declining birth right right before the fall of Rome, it's happening here in America it's opening in Japan, this

0:30:15 Lydia: Before Uh,

0:30:17 Heath: You know all those feminists in the holy Roman empire amazing

0:30:17 Thomas: I wish

0:30:18 Clip: Happens all the time in prosperous nations and we need to reject this culture, or it's going to be very bad. What's shashuka? I'm lucky because I don't watch the Real Housewives of New York. I'm going to go find out what that is.

0:30:29 Thomas: You guys could have seen his face that

0:30:33 Clip: Ashley, thank you so much. Thank you, Jesse. Hey,

0:30:33 Lydia: My god what's

0:30:35 Thomas: Was just him being like, this is truly so stupid, how do I get out of this segment?

0:30:40 Lydia: Shakshuka.

0:30:42 Thomas: What, where's, do you like things like, if there's just no, he's just like, what's, there's no way to get, it's so stupid, how, love the fault, the Rome thing, I don't know if anyone else did any, like, you know, quote unquote research into that very stupid point. But I think it betrays a really, really stupid and racist way that conservatives look at basically history and society and all that, because I think in her mind, the Roman Empire was like and this is this is look, she didn't say explicitly, but this I'm pretty sure I'm I'm pretty sure in her mind and a lot of conservatives mind, the Roman Empire was a race of white people that had an awesome empire.

0:31:04 Lydia: Hmm.

0:31:26 Heath: Absolutely.

0:31:27 Thomas: And then they're like, yeah.

0:31:28 Lydia: Togas eating grapes.

0:31:30 Thomas: And then they started, and they're all white, obviously. And then他们 started having fewer kids. And so like, they didn't have the numbers to like maintain their empire. And then like, that's why Rome fell. I'm sure that's what you think. I'm not a historian, but I, I'm pretty sure I'm not a story. Historians call in email in, I pretty sure Rome is like a bajillion different peoples and languages and whatever's and like fully done.

0:31:30 Lydia: Yeah.

0:31:45 Heath: That's that's what's being pictured, yeah spread

0:31:58 Lydia: Because it was literally an empire.

0:31:59 Thomas: Yeah. It was like, if you look at the map, it's like fucking Africa, Spain, and the Balkans, the, like it's everything, this idea that like some group of people within that had 1 .5 babies instead of one point. And that's what did it. The fall of Rome. Also the idea too, that like, yeah, the Roman empire was a good thing and it's bad. You know, like, is that true? I don't know that that's true. The Roman empire Was just who who levied the taxes and controlled the areas and made the political decisions for different areas. That's not necessarily a great thing. Like, I don'T know, look, uh, people on all sides back then, you know, of course, like everybody's,

0:32:01 Lydia: The Middle East. Yeah, yeah.

0:32:02 Heath: Across the map, yeah, yeah.

0:32:22 Lydia: No. Yeah mm -hmm yeah.

0:32:31 Heath: Sure. Yeah.

0:32:37 Thomas: Everybody's doing the pillaging and the killing. But like, in general, my kind of mindset is like the more local control, the better, you know, of places. And when you have that many different cultures all under the control of a central, you authority somewhere, like inevitably that's going to fall apart eventually, you know, with the different, you people are like, hey, we actually want to be in control of our our land over here. And it's like, yeah, maybe that was a good thing. I don't know. I'm not a historian, but it really do think that's what conservatives think. They think it was like all a bunch of people, oh, Roman evictus, they say, they were talked like that and then they just didn't have the feminazis came and they didn't have enough babies, yeah, yeah,

0:32:54 Lydia: Yeah.

0:33:08 Heath: Also, empire fell and then it wasn't like an apocalypse end times scenario in all of Europe and Northern Africa and the Middle East, like wasn't like I Am Legend, all of a sudden with just like Will Smith walking around Europe by himself and a dog, like, there were all the people there, it just, it was like specifically that ruling structure, structure eventually wasn't there, yeah, oh,

0:33:27 Lydia: And a dog. Yeah. That's Heath's dream.

0:33:32 Thomas: There is just a tumbleweed and a bunch of empty Roman helmets or whatever, they're like, we don't have the people to inhabit the empire, is ready to go, it's actually all the stuff is there, we just don't have enough, you, yeah, I got a question for you. Think that the population went down or grew since then? Like, it's not that there were fewer people, it's like, there were, if anything, there's more people in those areas for all time until now, because the population has just always increased, you know, at different rates, but like the people are there. It's just, there's different political control than the what it was, you know, it's not like a birth

0:33:42 Lydia: Just waiting for the people.

0:34:14 Heath: It's really, it's

0:34:15 Thomas: Rate issue.

0:34:15 Heath: Really tempting to use the, like, global warming denier arguments against them, like, it was cold the other day and there was like seven kids born, look at this yeah

0:34:22 Thomas: Yeah. I was just at a hospital and I heard the cry of many of newborn babe. So therefore I brought a baby onto the floor of the Senate and was like, this is a baby.

0:34:26 Heath: Threw

0:34:34 Thomas: There's no Yeah, there's no way that babies could be happening less because here's one.

0:34:34 Heath: It like a snowball fuck yeah insane the fall of Rome, I let it so so perfect, Fox, the other thing they did is with that, with the, what the fuck is Shakshuka thing, it's, it's like they do this all the time, you remember in middle school where there would be some sort of disagreement and Thomas, Lydia, I'm guessing both of you had this experience, where you were trying to be, you know, a relatively intelligent voice of reason about something, you were just trying to make some like tiny amount of nuanced point about like, hey, no, like, here's what's happening, and you said one word that some idiot didn't know and they were like, Shakshuka, and like the rest of your entire explanation didn't matter, oh,

0:34:45 Thomas: It's so good.

0:34:52 Lydia: Yeah.

0:35:18 Thomas: That is that guy's face in a nutshell. Yeah. Who is this guy Jesse Waters?

0:35:22 Lydia: Yeah, it's Jesse Waters. The new Tucker Carlson.

0:35:23 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah.

0:35:25 Heath: He looks like wet Ron DeSantis. Yeah.

0:35:28 Thomas: DeSantis looks like wet Ron DeSantis, though.

0:35:28 Lydia: Wet.

0:35:30 Heath: That's fair. Yeah.

0:35:33 Thomas: He just reminds me of some, like, he would have been on, like, TGIF or something, you he's just some dork in a show, like, he would have entered and then the crowd's like, "Yay, that idiot." Maybe Yeah.

0:35:39 Lydia: Yeah. With the Tanner like music. Right.

0:35:47 Thomas: Yeah. Something about him, like that, but, yeah, that, you, we want to, uh, more people in this country. If she's really worried, I got great news, there's a lot of people who would like to immigrate to this country. Yeah.

0:35:47 Lydia: Yeah,

0:35:58 Heath: Oh.

0:35:58 Lydia: Actually what a lot of researchers say is going to help is migration and that it won't be a choice anymore. It's going to be a necessity for a lot lot of countries in order to keep things going. So, yeah. Why don't we why don't we open all those borders, let folks in who want to come in and give them jobs and give Them opportunities.

0:36:01 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah.

0:36:12 Heath: Love that for

0:36:17 Thomas: Because the thing that they, I was gonna say is the quiet part, but it's not really the quiet parte, is those are the wrong kind of people, those are not, so, like, in their minds, and And it's the same thing with the Rome thing. In her mind, Rome was white and it fell. I'm almost positive, because that's what these idiots think. And this is the same things. It's like, no, there weren't people here.

0:36:19 Lydia: And yeah. Yeah.

0:36:33 Heath: Sure. Right. Right.

0:36:37 Thomas: Christians need to have more babies and we can't let anyone else. Because they don't count immigrants as Americans. You know, it's like in their mind, that doesn't help America, because those aren't Americans. And I am, fully, you, the opposite. Like, yeah, those are Americans. They become Americans when they come here. That's how it works. And then they, uh, bring a lot, much, nothing but positive effects, like, in every respect, like, you allow immigration, like, good.

0:37:01 Heath: Well. Yeah.

0:37:01 Thomas: In, in that, make sense, like, our immigration system is really stupid and doesn't make sense, and so we have a bunch of really unbalanced kind of illegal immigration that, that you, has problems, but it's not because of the immigrants, it's because we're fucking stupid and do things wrong. Yeah.

0:37:16 Heath: And even considering the bad system that we, we have, and the fact that we're nowhere near, like, the problem levels of, like, needing to get human beings in as fast as possible. Even despite that, that not being true right now, there's plenty of economic studies that show immigration helps the economy, it's a net benefit, very clearly, even given all the issues with it at the moment, and the factor we don't need it, needed at the moment, in that, like, population sense, it's grateful economy.

0:37:25 Lydia: Yeah, yeah,

0:37:40 Thomas: They Really. Really. Will in the same sentence be like, we're full, what part of "we're full" didn't you understand, hey, we don't have enough people, we need babies, hey, come on, we need, who do you think has a more immediate impact economically, who went through hell on earth to get to this country to maybe make a dollar, because that's a ton of money to them and would help their family Yeah.

0:37:42 Heath: Yeah. Yeah.

0:38:02 Heath: Such an impressive person Yeah.

0:38:05 Thomas: The most truly, truly an extraordinary person that would take to do that. Or our fucking lazy ass baby. Cause I'll be honest. I love Remy. He's not doing any work. Like he's not, if anything is the opposite, he's just causing work from not only us, but others. I think he's even caused Heath some work in, through

0:38:01 Lydia: Yeah for backbreaking labor. Yeah no, you

0:38:22 Heath: He's just spewing out carbon, pretty much doing nothing else.

0:38:25 Thomas: His exhaust port, you know? He's just, he's got that. He's got the truck nets too. He's yeah. Having babies is a short, will eventually help the economy or something, but imagine, like, if we could just give birth to a fully formed, ready to work human, in terms of their, like, economic output that we want or whatever, like, would obviously better be than giving birth to Escomber, who can't do anything and just shits himself forever, you, that's not, he's not going to start a business soon.

Yeah, everywhere in all history on earth, in every society, the more well-off you get as a people, as a subgroup, as whatever, the less that reproduce, because you, for one, having the ability to, um, our own reproduction, or for, or you, people to control their own reproduction is something that takes a lot of work to get to in society, like, you're in a war-torn region, if you're in a place that, you know, where, where you don't have clean water, you don't have, you know, all these infrastructure things, you don't have, have, it becomes another burden to, like, figure out, you control, or or see, you don't have a doctor to go to, you know, so, like, the more well-off a society becomes, or people becomes, usually their birth rate goes down, and what, what these people who are so scared never realize is, like, yeah, let's, if, say we let in a lot of immigrants, which I always think we should do too, that happen to them as well. They will come here and be well off, be a benefit to our society. And their birth will rate also decline because they won't be in this feeling of desperation where, honestly,

0:38:52 Heath: Right. Right.

0:39:30 Lydia: Yeah.

0:40:00 Thomas: It becomes like you try to have a lot of kids, or you don't really have the means to control it much and don't survive as much. You just change from that mode to, like, oh, of that, we're gonna make the decision to have a kid when and if we want to, um, that it will inevitably happen no matter what. There's such a racist trope that, like, oh, yeah, these people, they're just really fertile, if you know what I mean, it's like, no, man, there's also a lot that goes into having the ability and the privilege to be able to control your own reproduction to the extent that you want to.

0:40:19 Lydia: Yeah.

0:40:24 Heath: Yeah. Also, within their stupid, racist scheme, they should be like, impressed by that, like, more fertility would be like, eugenically better, that they should admit that, like, you just have the wrong master race in their stupid fucking heads, but no, yeah.

0:40:37 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah.

0:40:44 Thomas: First video, though, I just love this thing that it, like, so many people, so many grown -ass adults are just such children, it, idea that any else having a good time but differently than you or something is a threat to you is just, is such a childish impulse, you know, like Lydia and I have our three beautiful, amazing children, wouldn't trade that. I won't speak for Lydia. You can feel how you, if you have regrets, that's, you know, that's you, you might, some people do, you know, a lot of people do regret having kids. That's a real thing. I don't, and you I am also completely fine with the idea that there are fucking trade -offs.

0:41:13 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah.

0:41:20 Thomas: Like if I spend my my life, even just with hobbies. Like if I decide to devote my life to fucking woodworking and then I see somebody who's like, oh yeah, well, what I do is I play golf every day and it's the best. And I'm like, fuck you. You should do woodworking. Cause then look at all this. You don't have, I bet you can't make a chair because you're too busy putting. It's like no.

0:41:43 Lydia: Worst of all, you're too stupid to realize.

0:41:45 Thomas: Yeah. And you're too dumb. He's out on the course, just getting a nice tan wind through his hair. And I am like, like, you're too dumb to know how depressed you are without your woodworking. It's like, no man, people can make different choices and yeah, you might miss out or maybe they might've missed out, but amount of time that we have and attention that we have. And there might be trade -offs. Lydia There and I are fucking exhausted. Lydia, you know, more so than me because of, you much more of a demand it is on mothers. But like, it's hard, you You know, it's a very, there are a lot of sacrifices involved and there's nothing wrong with childless people recognizing the trade -off they made and being like, yeah, I don't know. I get to fucking do whatever I want today. That's fine. That's not a threat to me because I made that trade -offs. I'm fine with that. Weird. You

0:41:47 Lydia: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And Heath, I think you brought this up earlier, the that self -awareness that Right. And I just appreciated how thoughtful she's coming to this decision. You know, and you're not just pushing through life, running through life and, you off the list, finish high school, finish college, get married, have a kid. Boom, boom, boom. Boom, boom, hit all those milestones. You a lot of other people in the world have this opportunity to kind of reflect and say, you know, might that be the right choice for me, but I want to take time to make sure that it is because it is a huge responsibility. It is a huge demand on time. And I want to make sure that I'm showing up to be the best parent for that child if I choose to have a child. And I think that's the kind of people that, you know, you'd hopefully want as parents, someone who, if they come to that choice, that they arrive there in a thoughtful way and that they're all in. Yeah.

0:42:31 Heath: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

0:43:20 Heath: 100%. That's that's the idea. That's the whole point of, like, progressing as a society with, like, science and technology and medicine, and just people being more well off in general, they have more choices. And when they have more choice choices, they can choose wisely to do things that are big, like having a kid or having multiple kids. That's fantastic. And the news crowd is like, "Yeah, but this old book told us that fuck that conflicts with our thing," and now now they're mad about it even though that's like the whole point of being on the planet as a human and progressing. That's the whole thing. Make choices.

0:43:52 Thomas: Here's Another Component of it that I strongly believe is part of it, even though it may maybe a little more distant in terms of like the the effect it's a little downstream, but I think it's also a strong part of the patriarchal system of men never having to be good at all. So like, if you create this environment where it's like, yeah, women, you gotta have kids, have a family, have kids. Then you can just be a piece of shit, dude, but be like nearby. And then more women are like, fuck, I guess everyone's saying I have to do this. So fuck. All right, let's get married.

0:44:17 Heath: Yeah. Yeah.

0:44:20 Thomas: And also like, fostering this feeling of like, yeah, you should be miserable is also beneficial to those shitty dudes. Like, yeah. You should be vulnerable. And she's too dumb to know she's She actually is miserable, but don't worry. You're, you're smarter in that you're being miserable on purpose with me, a shitty dude. I really think that's part of it. That's a, that's a Long con.

0:44:26 Lydia: Yeah.

0:44:26 Heath: Right. Right. Absolutely. Imagine the that reverse of this, like Fox News response to this, the reverse would be like MSNBC seeing a at TikTok where, like, two parents were like, "Hey, look, we're really proud of our child who was the lead in this play, it was really good," and Rachel, then Ms. Maddow coming on being like, "Fuck having children and being proud, that's bullshit, what a weird fucking take.

0:44:58 Thomas: Fuck your child. You need to get your ass to Beyonce right now.

0:45:09 Thomas: First off, get drunk. Stop what you're doing. Get drunk, ignore the kid. That's That's fine. You know, like there's not too late. Yeah, no, we would never do that. Cause it's fucking insane. Yeah. I've looked at the comments a little bit and you, is a tension in the Republican, I don't even know if it makes sense to call it, I'll just say on the right, because it's fucking not a party, it's just a cult, and then some old republicans. But there is a tension between the more populist wing and the classical bullshit, the Reagan-ish crap that we are more familiar with, like of our generation, that's like, no, responsibility and low taxes and blah, blah, bla. Yeah.

0:45:13 Lydia: Yep. I Bootstraps. A

0:45:44 Thomas: And you see it in the comments. And, you know, it's hard for me to know who's coming from where. It's just random comments. But I actually thought this first thread I thought was was kind of funny and instructive. That would be funny to go through some of it, because the top comment, actually, from my view is if America wants more families and kids, then make it more affordable. It's not always about living a certain lifestyle, which Yeah, like there's this tension between the new, like, younger people who are conservative who are like, yeah, OK, you fuck all the nonwhite people and all that, we're on board with all that stuff.

But also, like, we can't afford to have, like, nobody can afford anything. And there's still the boomer conservatives who are like, not my problem, you figure it out. And they're both want the same racist thing, I think, which is like, no, we all want more white babies, we get, but, like, could we, don't have any, like, you have all the money, boomers, and the boomers are like, ah, not listening, get a job, loser. You know, it's funny because it is attention, and it, not it's resolved within the Republican Party at all yet, it's

0:46:03 Lydia: Percent, yeah.

0:46:24 Lydia: Yeah.

0:46:42 Lydia: That's interesting.

0:46:42 Heath: Yeah,

0:46:42 Thomas: I think If, if anything, some of the Trumpism, some amount of that is sort of just sidestepping the issue. You, Trumpism is a way to not ever talk about any policy ever or care about anything, because if they did have to talk about policy, I think there would be a strong divide. It's the reason that shitty country song went viral, is that guy saying, like, no one has any fucking money, which is the one, valid you part of that song. And the every rest of it is Reagan fucking propaganda.

0:46:43 Heath: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:47:06 Thomas: But like, that's why that resonated even with people on the right. They're like, nobody has any money and they can't solve that because the big money of the party is like, well, I don't like that message because we would like to continue to ruin this country and pay no taxes.

0:47:05 Lydia: We'd Like To Keep our money

0:47:19 Thomas: So, yeah. Would still like to do the bootstrappy like, oh, it's not my problem. You know, figure out your own shit. But the problem is so pervasive, like you can't, you know, the median wage doesn't afford fucking shit anywhere that eventually gets so bad that the, even the right recognizes it, which I think they are, but they can't have that policy fight at all among with themselves because they're too busy with the culture war Trumpism crap. It's kind of like sidestepping that, you know, it's interesting.

0:47:20 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah. Oh.

0:47:21 Heath: Yeah, right. It's taken like 40, 50 years for their stupid thing to fully implode and like slice them in half. And now they have to pretend they're not sliced in half, we get to watch this idiot fight. Good You little relic is that comment you out. That's great.

0:47:52 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah, and so there's more too. So the next one is like, if everyone waited until the pocketbook was right, nobody would have kids. They are your responsibility, not the government. It takes two parents, not a village, as they want you to believe. And

0:48:04 Lydia: My God. Um, No, it takes way more than two parents.

0:48:12 Heath: What?

0:48:13 Thomas: That's like the the response when the parent or parents can't afford to support their family, whose responsibility does it become? The government? No, the taxpayers. Well, that's the same fucking thing, whatever, more entitlements and welfare programs. And while the parents are both working long hours to try to pay the bills, who is influencing their children? The rest of society. So I love this because they're all like, kind of, they're still trying to put the problem in their insane right wing frame, but they're doing it in different wrong ways.

0:48:15 Heath: God.

0:48:24 Heath: Idiots.

0:48:39 Thomas: I actually love it. Yeah. And while they're out working too much, trying to afford children, because no one can afford children. Who's going to influence them? The fucking trans people or something. I don't know.

0:48:24 Lydia: Yeah, right right yeah

0:48:40 Heath: Yeah.

0:48:46 Lydia: They're having to construct like this crazy like web of things instead of just like, like, like landing on the progressive position. Yeah.

0:48:49 Thomas: Yeah, Yeah, to get there. Yeah, yeah, instead Of just letting, you're totally right, instead of just landing on like, hey, maybe like people should be somewhat happy in our society. No,

0:49:04 Heath: You're fucking up the thing. Sorry.

0:49:05 Thomas: No, no, we can't do that. We gotta say no, no, you're gonna be too busy working your ass off. And then when you do that, the LGBTQ will come for your kids because you're not able to watch them as much when you're working. It's

0:49:15 Lydia: All the drag story hours ours, yeah.

0:49:18 Heath: What are You just like spinning a wheel of bigotry to end your sentences, what are you talking about? God.

0:49:22 Lydia: It doesn't make any sense, yeah, right.

0:49:20 Thomas: Totally, but it's Totally true, sometimes I guess it does take a village. If things were affordable in this country, tax dollars could be reallocated to other sectors of society and parents could spend more time. What, what are you talking about? It's so funny, yeah.

0:49:41 Heath: And nobody is aware of the village they're in, the people who are like anti the village concept, they they seem to think that they're not on roads and they're not part of like an American society that has so much infrastructure that they're using all, all the time, directly and indirectly, but they're like, we're bootstrapping. No, you're not. You're not bootstraping in the SUV that you drove down the road in, in the subsidized whatever, no, none of that, you're you're off the grid.

0:49:46 Thomas: Yeah, and

0:49:50 Lydia: Yeah, yeah, you're not a survivalist Like, out in the wilderness, exactly, yeah.

0:50:07 Heath: Right,

0:50:09 Thomas: To further my, my of policy point that actually I really do think it's a dynamic to keep an eye on, this was how they did it in the idiot Republican debate the other week. Their, the same thing that the moron country singer with his shit song said, which is the way they have to sidestep this. Oh yeah, you know why you don't have any money? Taxes. It's have you looked at any information ever in your life? You the reason someone making $30 ,000 a year doesn't have money is because taxes. Do you really want to do that math?

0:50:26 Lydia: Yeah,

0:50:40 Thomas: You pay not much in taxes if you don't make any fucking money.

0:50:40 Heath: That person's barely paying a dollar in taxes. Yeah, they'd

0:50:45 Thomas: If you gave them 0 % taxes, they guess what? They'd be making $30 ,000 a year. That's still not enough to fucking do anything.

0:50:53 Heath: Still, still be in really tough position.

0:50:55 Thomas: Yeah, that's not enough to afford a $2 ,000 -a -month apartment that's like one bedroom. You know what I mean? Like, but that's what they do. They heard it in the debate a lot where they're like, the taxes are just through the roof. No, they're not. What are you talking about? You don't know anything about it. It's so this battle of the right still trying to maintain this kind of control. Like, you know what I mean? Like, oh, yeah, the reason you have no money, it's the taxes. What do they think taxes are? Like, if you make minimum wage and you paid no taxes, you'd actually be a millionaire. You actually make a million dollars.

0:50:55 Heath: Exactly, yeah.

0:50:55 Lydia: And Yeah,

0:51:18 Heath: Do

0:51:25 Lydia: Well, and it's funny because, um, country that has seen an... in their fertility rate is Sweden in, it's, it's meager, very, very meager. They've been working to try and increase their fertility rate. And they've been doing it by providing, you societal support via taxes.

0:51:41 Thomas: No way.

0:51:43 Lydia: So, yeah.

0:51:42 Heath: That fascist neocon state called Sweden.

0:51:46 Lydia: Yeah. And, you know, it's working out.

0:51:46 Thomas: Yeah.

0:51:46 Heath: Yeah. Think all these, you know, thirty thousand dollar a year, living out in the middle of nowhere, red state Republicans truly believe that like a couple steps away from being a billionaire. Like, they're, you know, they're gonna invent better the CD changer or something and like, they're going to be billionaires and they want the taxes to be lower on that when they eventually bootstrap themselves up to that I don't understand how that's been working for again, like 40, 50 years this con has been working. They'd

0:52:09 Lydia: Yeah, yeah,

0:52:10 Thomas: It's It's so dumb. Otherwise it's amazing that they CAN'T see it like know, if I ever debate a conservative again, I do want to make that like you could still be a piece of shit, racist conservative, and still recognize like, yeah, but also the rich people are playing us like like really hard on this party. You funny that they can't do both things. They can't be like, yeah, I hate trans people and all the, you know, I'm a piece of shit like every conservative. But like, also, do you notice that the rich have been using us to keep taxes low forever? You noticethat? You know? Like, can't they take note of that? I think some of them are, but it just, the war is just so dialed up that there's no room for anything else. Like, Like the main issues on the right are Trump won in 2020. Like the issue.

0:52:28 Lydia: Yeah

0:52:54 Heath: Rather have bigotry than money, which is like true and insane. Insane. Terrifying.

0:52:56 Thomas: Yeah. Oh, for sure. For sure. Yeah. I wanted to read this comment because it's fucking hilarious. Here's, This here we go on the YouTube. This is the boomer conservative coming in with their wisdom. You ready? Had five children, never used disposable diapers, breastfed, bought a five pop -up stroller, never ate out except for special occasions. Parents make having kids expensive. I went to school full time and by organizing my classes, I worked three days a week, had four kids at that time. They had supper cooked by me every night. I didn't even have a microwave, utilized the crock pot a lot and my cooker.

0:53:11 Heath: What?

0:53:19 Lydia: No. Oh,

0:53:32 Thomas: I'm not saying everyone should follow my lead, but you can raise children without it breaking the bank. Yeah, how much did you buy your fucking house for, this person? Did you spend $40 on a house in 1970 that's now worth $2 million?

0:53:38 Heath: Wow.

0:53:41 Lydia: My God. Insane. Much Yeah.

0:53:48 Thomas: How much was school?

0:53:49 Lydia: There's seven hundred dollar tuition for their college education. Yeah. Dumb.

0:53:51 Thomas: Yeah.

0:53:52 Heath: Also. Exactly. Also, I want the camera to pan over to those five horrible kids as adults now doing their bullshit lives.

0:53:57 Lydia: I mean,

0:53:59 Thomas: Yeah. Or like two of them are cool and they disowned this person already. And they're like, yeah, actually, our childhood fucking sucked.

0:54:02 Heath: Yeah, it's it's one of the it's one of those two options.

0:54:04 Thomas: Yeah. One of them's gay and she doesn't speak to him anymore. And it's like, Yeah, no, this was this person's the worst, actually.

0:54:05 Heath: Right. Right? Yeah. Yeah that grandma is not allowed to see some of her kids at Thanksgiving

0:54:14 Thomas: God, five kids.

0:54:14 Heath: For sure.

0:54:15 Lydia: Like everything is so freaking expensive that most people, know, you if they're partnered, they have to have dual incomes. Right. And you can't even get a house with dual incomes It sort of depends. But then you look at, OK, then what does child care cost? In some counties, it's 47 percent of of the median income of a family.

0:54:23 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

0:54:35 Heath: Whoa.

0:54:36 Lydia: Forty seven percent.

0:54:37 Thomas: So it becomes barely. Your choices are, do the traditional trad wife fucking, unfortunately, a woman has to be miserable raising kids on her own at home while a dude works or I guess vice versa. You can try that. But because boomers have fucked us so hard and the Republicans have fucked it so hard, that doesn't work anymore because you need four incomes to make one income now. And so now women are put in this impossible position of, well, you got to make money. That's That's why Why There's All These Multi -Level Marketing Things That You Women Know, Mainly Women Tend To Fall Prey To Because There's So Much Pressure To Not Only You Have To Raise All The Kids On Your Own In These Instances, But Also Somehow Make Money Because Nobody Makes Any Fucking Money Relative To Rent Now Or Relative To Mortgages. That's Just Not Sustainable. Like It Just Is Not. Then the decision that a lot of couples have to make is, okay, I'll go back to work and we'll pay for daycare. Then you do the math and you're like, well, I guess that does net us a little bit more

0:54:38 Heath: Insane.

0:54:45 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah, boss, yeah.

0:55:31 Lydia: Couple

0:55:31 Thomas: Money. Yeah.

0:55:31 Lydia: Hundred bucks.

0:55:32 Thomas: And it's like, fuck either way. It's kind of shit.

0:55:33 Heath: Right.

0:55:34 Lydia: Yeah if you can even get a spot in daycare. You was reflecting back on when I was pregnant with Phoebe. It was right after I found out I was pregnancy. I think I was like five weeks. It's like very, very early. But I knew how impacted daycares were, you so I took a lunch hour and I was just walking around to daycarage my week, tiny you little cluster of cells in my belly and trying to get information on their wait lists. And one of the daycare said, oh, we have a two two -year wait list for our infant program.

0:55:36 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah.

0:56:05 Lydia: Two years.

0:56:04 Thomas: Yeah. You should have known to sign up two years before you were pregnant or whatever, a year and however many months.

0:56:08 Heath: Wow. That's terrifying.

0:56:07 Lydia: Yep. Yep, yep. Think also, you of women, when they're weighing that decision about, you know, more of a traditional potentially where they're at home raising the kids, you -at -home momming it versus being a working mom, that the money portion of it, but also thinking about opportunity in your typical working environment for women. Is something that, you know, it's called the motherhood penalty. I'm sure you guys know it. But it's it's it's very real thing where moms in the workforce, they're less likely to be chosen for new roles and promotions.

0:56:33 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah.

0:56:34 Heath: I heard it was a hoax.

0:56:43 Lydia: They'll earn lower salaries and they're held to higher standards than fathers mothers and non -mothers that are working in there. Now you're you have this additional stress, fewer opportunities potentially to move up, to make more money, to, you know, not even just money, but like that professional fulfillment that's important to a lot of women. And then, you what? So then you get home super late, you barely see your children, and then you start the grind all over again the next morning. Dann what is life at that point? Like, what are what are you living for? I don't know.

0:57:13 Heath: When are you going to get your shakshuka in there? That's insane. That is impossible.

0:57:16 Lydia: Exactly. We made shakshuka a couple weeks ago.

0:57:18 Heath: Did you? Nice.

0:57:20 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah, it is.

0:57:21 Heath: It's so good.

0:57:17 Thomas: I Don't know what it is, but I bet it was good.

0:57:24 Lydia: It was delicious. You liked it.

0:57:24 Thomas: Yeah. I'm

0:57:25 Heath: Nice. Yeah, solid. Good breakfast item.

0:57:27 Thomas: Sure I did. I there's not a lot of food I don't like these days. Food is just, have you guys had food? It's fucking awesome. You should try it if you haven't is

0:57:29 Lydia: True.

0:57:37 Heath: Did you say that the estimate was 47% of the median household income is the cost of daycare or

0:57:44 Lydia: Annually. Yeah yeah.

0:57:45 Thomas: That for one kid? Jesus Christ.

0:57:45 Lydia: Mm-hmm. Yeah that's for one kid.

0:57:48 Heath: One kid. OK, so the understanding needs to now be if there's a traditional, you know, division of the labor, like one person going to work and making a salary and the other person being the like stay at home parent, the stay athome parent is the fucking breadwinner on that. Like that needs to be understood, especially if

0:58:03 Lydia: Yeah it's

0:57:48 Thomas: Wow. Yeah, if you have, if there's multiple kids, that, that math seems right to me. Fuck.

0:58:05 Lydia: A great point.

0:58:09 Thomas: You're close.

0:58:08 Heath: Right. Even with one, you're probably not considering the, like, the cost of the extra time of daycare versus home care and, like, the cost of driving and, the you know, it probably, even with one kid, is like, well, yeah, you're the breadwinner now. Yeah.

0:58:10 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah Wow.

0:58:14 Lydia: Yeah Yeah. Yeah.

0:58:20 Heath: Right.

0:58:21 Thomas: That's a good point.

0:58:22 Lydia: Mind blown. No.

0:58:22 Thomas: Well, and there is that, and, you know, not to branch off too much, but there was a, I remember reading this a while back, there was an intentional decision, should we include stuff like child care and all that kind of stuff in GDP, like, that was an intentional choice to do that or to not do that, and they decided not to.

0:58:25 Lydia: Yeah, yeah. It's like that caregiving support. Right. And not just children, but like elderly, you and stuff. Right, that people are are taken care of. Yeah yeah.

0:58:47 Heath: Right.

0:58:42 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah. It's Just essentially slave labor, in so many words, like, in many instances, it's, oh no, you just do all this work, which is, by the way, a fucking tremendous, tremendous amount of work, and is so much harder than going to an office and sending a couple emails and pretending to work. And then you're like, well, I'm the breadwinner.

0:58:58 Lydia: And emotional labor, too. Yeah sure.

0:59:06 Heath: Yeah.

0:59:06 Thomas: Like that's, that's the job that a lot of people have at least around, around, with the state jobs and stuff. It's like, yes, you can have a hard job, but like so another reason I just really believe in in a lot of this ideology around, you feminism and like men getting smarter about this stuff is there's so much benefit that men get from some of these societal assumptions. You know, we think like, oh, well, it's a trade off because, yeah, the woman gets to stay at home and raise kids. The man, he's going off to work in a coal mine because every single man works in a coal mine and they work so hard. And you're like, no, dude, he's he's sending an email. He's probably pretending he's still working and going golfing and then coming home.

0:59:07 Heath: Right.

0:59:12 Lydia: Sure.

0:59:47 Heath: He got laid off from the coal mine, as you said it, like, as that was happening, he's laid off now. Yeah.

0:59:50 Thomas: And he's coming home in he's his, been in an air conditioned office all day. He's done nothing. He comes home and demands dinner from from fucking that mom in the beginning of Beauty and the Beast, the greatest acting performance in the history of time, who says, I need six eggs and is dragging 50 kids. The poor mother is that that's what it is. Because yeah, think men are the beneficiaries of so many of those assumptions. They're just wrong. You know, like I, on average.

1:00:06 Lydia: Yep. It's too real.

1:00:16 Heath: Apparently we literally engineered a stat, to a huge economic indicator stat, to not include this giant swath of labor that we don't do. So we're like, that doesn't, no, that doesn' count. That's bullshit.

1:00:27 Lydia: Doesn't count.

1:00:23 Thomas: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, do you want to hear another insane comment just for fun, but it's indicative of this battle. So, really is. I truly am, interested, you assuming the whole fucking world doesn't end, I am interested in how this plays out because think this battle is a, an an opportunity for the left to make some progress and grab some people from the right, maybe, maybe. You And I only say that not because I'm optimistic, but because I really scared of what happens if we don't do that.

Like, we're always on a knife edge, you of the electoral college giving us Trump again, like no matter how many fucking millions, of tens of millions of people we win by, the electoral college is so close. And so I see these people as maybe an opportunity to grab them from the right. Here's a comment: "Well, if people could afford to raise a family it might help," and has 31 upvotes. And then this is the bet, are you ready for this one?

This one's so good, because they're still trying to figure it out, they're so trying to negotiate, how can we still be conservative pieces of shit? But all this, here's this one: "You could have, from 2016 to 2020, ignoring

1:00:32 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah,

1:01:28 Thomas: The fact that by the way the presidency was from 2017 to 2021 essentially," but yeah, like, like, world do do you live in? What fucking fantasy world do you live in where, like, yeah, the day that Trump became president, my income jumped 5,000% to where I can afford.

1:01:29 Lydia: Insane.

1:01:42 Heath: Yeah. Also it's before the day in their stupid thing, because it's, he came in 2017, but it's fine, they

1:01:44 Thomas: Yeah. Just when he was campaigning, it actually increased my, my salary.

1:01:50 Heath: Right. No. He he campaigned so hard on feminist child care as part of his platform that it helped people for those four plus years. Okay, yeah.

1:02:00 Thomas: So funny.

1:02:02 Lydia: You Know, I thinking about how folks would feel if she were single and having kids because they also really really really want women to get married, it's uncomfortable.

1:02:08 Thomas: Exactly. Yep. Yep, yep.

1:02:11 Heath: That's a good point, yeah.

1:02:12 Lydia: Yeah.

1:02:12 Thomas: Just a bundle of contradictions. You know, it really is. They want want exactly the Tale thing, and anything else is not going to be okay with them.

1:02:22 Heath: Well, especially, especially somebody being like, "This is fucking great." Do you see how opposite of Republican Christian I am? This is so fun. Oh my God, I'm having such a good time. So of course they're going to panic. Me happy.

1:02:27 Lydia: I Don't

1:02:30 Thomas: All right, it back full circle, one thing that Heath doesn't have in his life is kids that create the most delightful nonsense 24-7. It's truly a delight. And it's just a trade-off, man. Who cares? Whatever you value for your life, either way, make your, make your choices. There's would I ever want someone who doesn't want kids to have kids? They're just going to be an angry, shitty parent. Why would I want that?

1:02:41 Lydia: Yep, yep.

1:02:42 Heath: That's true.

1:02:56 Heath: Right.

1:02:59 Lydia: Raising, you know, children.

1:03:00 Thomas: Yeah. Make you do you, you do the decisions you want to do, live your life how you want. And part of that trade-off is there's tremendous benefit on the other side of Heath waking up late, just all kinds of masturbation.

1:03:01 Lydia: Yeah.

1:03:12 Heath: The best.

1:03:13 Thomas: I hear just tons of stuff and and on the other end we have a kid who makes up names for a potential baby that are so fucking hilarious that I'll never forget them yeah Scombert for anyone who didn't hear this story, asked when her what we should name the new baby. And she said, if it's a boy, Scombert. And if it's a girl, Shine.

1:03:13 Heath: Yep. I have multiples It's weird you wouldn't think but I do

1:03:35 Thomas: Is so good

1:03:34 Heath: Scombert and Shine are so good, like the kid brain is so impressive and this is a great example of it because authors talk about this, one of the hardest things for an adult author to do is make a name of a fictional character. It's just hard to do. You have to make like a new noise, maybe, you know, or like use the last name that's already there, a first name that's already there, and you feel that's boring. A kid is just like, this is the noise I want, right off the top of my dome and it's great

1:03:35 Thomas: Uh it's the best yeah

1:03:39 Lydia: Yeah, right.

1:03:57 Thomas: Have no rules that's before they've learned All the rules, and they can't do they lose it at a certain age. If we ask Phoebe to name something now, she just comes up with normal stuff, so I try try to ask Arlo, but he's not as good at naming stuff. Like, he not quite as creative as Phoebe was along those lines.

1:03:58 Lydia: Yeah just rattles it off.

1:03:58 Heath: Yeah

1:04:10 Lydia: Well, except when they came downstairs the other day, and they they told me they were teenagers. And came down and Phoebe has a purse. And Arlo is carrying, you you know, a little case that they put their, know, some toys in that he's saying it's his purse. And then Phoebe says, Phoebe said, we're teenagers. My name is Emma and his name is Bored.

1:04:15 Thomas: Yeah.

1:04:16 Heath: Huh.

1:04:25 Heath: Awesome. He

1:04:26 Thomas: So good.

1:04:33 Heath: Does a kickflip do? You

1:04:36 Thomas: Bored. Did

1:04:35 Lydia: Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah, that he picked that name. Yeah?

1:04:37 Thomas: Arlo pick that name? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

1:04:39 Lydia: That's his name.

1:04:41 Thomas: Bored? See, this is what you're missing.

1:04:44 Lydia: Yeah.

1:04:44 Heath: Think it was b -o -a -r -d or b -u -r e -d

1:04:47 Thomas: I don't think it matters. I don't think

1:04:49 Heath: Or just b -r d

1:04:49 Lydia: I'm pretty sure they're

1:04:51 Thomas: It corresponds. Response. I don't think he was choosing the word.

1:04:54 Lydia: Not great with homonyms. Yeah.

1:04:55 Thomas: Yeah. I don't know that he knows the word board necessarily. I don't like as in wood or as in skateboard. Well, maybe. I guess they know skateboard. You never know with kids. That's the thing.

1:05:02 Lydia: Yeah, bored.

1:05:06 Thomas: You just never know what they're thinking. It's the best. Oh, good times. Anyway, Heath, when are you going to have some kids? When are you gonna bring home some grand kids to your 98 -year -old like fucking Nobel Prize winning complaining grandma that you have.

1:05:15 Lydia: Amazing grandma. Grandma.

1:05:15 Heath: She? Said, yeah, I, I'm so jealous all the time, whenever I talk to her, she's always got great great stories, doing amazing things all day. And I was like, I read stories and wrote F script. I don't know.

1:05:32 Thomas: Yeah. You can't play a coy about the whole masturbation thing. Yeah, that's smart. I wouldn't. Grandma, you can never mind. All right.

1:05:43 Lydia: She's like, me too. It's okay.

1:05:45 Heath: Okay.

1:05:47 Thomas: All thanks so much for joining us once again, Heath, uh, everybody live the the fucking life you would like to live and have a good time, uh, and uh, I threw out the plugs in the beginning. Is a specific plug you'd like to make, among your shows, any episodes or topics or something coming up that you would like to specifically call out here at the end? Oh,

1:06:06 Heath: Cool thing coming up. Weekend. I think the 28th of October is a Saturday before Halloween. We will be live in Las Vegas, Nevada for a God awful movies live show. I'm pretty excited about it. And I think the movie is going to be that horrible, horrible QAnon movie with Jim Caviezel that came out in July that I can't think the name of now.

1:06:29 Thomas: We want to cover that too, yeah, yeah, we're gonna cover that, uh, oh shit, yeah, now I know what that's called. Sound of Freedom, yeah, yeah, shit, is that are you allowed to reveal that here on our show? Cause I, am I going to get like a really angry call from Noah or Eli that we're, I, seeing if I can go to that. I want to go real bad. We'll see. I hope.

1:06:31 Lydia: Yeah. Sound of fury. Freedom.

1:06:35 Heath: Sound of Freedom. Yes, that one. I

1:06:52 Lydia: It comes back to the whole, you know, we have to be organized organized and negotiate. Yeah, it's OK.

1:06:54 Thomas: I know. God, we have to hire

1:06:57 Lydia: I can watch the kids.

1:06:57 Thomas: A team of babysitters. We have to, I

1:07:00 Lydia: Like an hour flight. I can watch The Kids.

1:07:01 Thomas: Want To come and show. Yeah. It's so close relatively speaking. Speaking, so I might also be there. But yeah, check it out, everybody. GAM is one of my favorite shows, and once again, Heath, thank you so much for coming on.

1:07:03 Heath: Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. Just a zip down to Vegas pretty quick. Right. So happy to be here. All

1:07:31 Lydia: Number four, just Kidding. You heard it here first.

1:07:32 Thomas: No. It's not, yeah, every single time we tease any announcement, we get a bunch of people saying kid number four. Yeah, uh, we're not having a fourth kid, we're like 90, not, not having a fourth kid.

1:07:40 Heath: Okay, that's the best way to close.

1:07:47 Lydia: No. We're done. I That's fair, I think that's a fair percentage to put on it.

1:07:53 Thomas: Definitely 75 % not having a fourth kit.

1:07:56 Heath: The bit with there being a real scombert is pretty strong argument in favor, but, you

1:08:02 Lydia: Yeah, I told

1:08:03 Thomas: If we have another boy and then we have, yeah, you

1:08:03 Heath: Know, it's,

1:08:04 Lydia: Him. I told Thomas, I was like, we're out of boy names, so we have to use Scombert. That's the only viable option if we have another boy. Yeah, yeah.

1:08:09 Heath: Yep, this

1:08:07 Thomas: Have to use scombert. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, we need to have a girl so we can use chine though. That bet you can't make a chair because you're too busy putting. It's

1:08:12 Heath: Is That's Tough.