SIO84: Interview with Jessica Xiao; Sargon’s Persecution Complex

Today’s episode is a bit of a double feature. First up is a conversation with feminist writer Jessica Xiao! Jessica had a post about male feminists that I found very interesting and I’m so glad she agreed to come on to talk about it. We also discuss her background and where she sees herself (if at all) within the atheist movement. Check out Jessica’s website for more about her and her writing!

After that, I break down just how much dishonesty and victim complex there is in a video Sargon made about me. I wouldn’t bother, except that it so perfectly encapsulates why Sargon and his followers feel so persecuted all the time.

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Feedback on first half- (started as a voicemail draft but its too long) Hey Thomas, it’s Oscar. I wanted to respond to last episodes section on feminism. There were two claims kind of lumped together, the first I totally see. That a man opening with “I’m a feminist” is a warning sign, just like the “Look, I’m a nice guy” tactic. But the second thing, that men shouldn’t call themselves feminists, I really take issue with. I’m perfectly happy for there to be feminists that think male feminists are less progressive on average. In fact I agree, but to say… Read more »

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Carl Benjamin sees a communist under every bed. He is stuck in the McCarthy era, suffering from arrested development.


Total agreement with Oscar. I am already careful about identifying as a male feminist, despite being urged to do so stridently and frequently by female feminists I know. On top of the performative aspect mentioned above, I run the risk of alienating people like Jessica. She seemed to like ‘ally’ better, but said that was problematic also. Is this a common belief? In my circle most feminists belong to the third-wave/intersectional school that emphasizes inclusiveness and rejects the gender binary rules that seem to define Jessica’s worldview. I always want to listen to every point of view (and would try… Read more »