SIO58: Yes, Call Out Assholes (Including me, if you see it that way)

The first portion of this show, as referenced at the end of last episode, is about Peter Boghossian finally showing himself to be a sexist asshole. I also respond to the argument I frequently see of “Stop infighting, stop calling out atheist leaders, it distracts from our movement!” I think I have a good counter to that.

After that, it’s some amazing and difficult voicemails! Really top notch calls. I love hearing from you guys and being challenged!

Some links:

African American Vernacular EnglishThe Word “Thug”The Cornrows Incident

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Oscar
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Hey Thomas, to respond to your ‘wherefore spills this twitter ink’ and also ‘wait what opinions arent truth claims?’ 1. As I tweeted with CJ, I started cautiously, claiming most opinions are truth claims. After about a half days reflection, it was glaringly obvious that even subjective opinions are truth claims about your internal experience. 2. I think the issue at hand here is a game of semantic duck duck goose. Perpetrated on the words ‘opinion’ and ‘decision’. It’s like you said about how “regressive left” has been co-opted as a phrase, LITERALLY BY THE REGRESSIVE LEFT, or the pseudo-leftists… Read more »
Jim
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Your podcast already jumped the shark when you started going down the regressive left path. You pal around with the assholes of the ctrl-left, you become an asshole yourself. Disgusting. At least you no longer call your podcast atheistically speaking. Cause many atheists are not regressives, only those with authoritarian tendencies.

Psycho Gecko
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So you have the alt-right who are waving swastika flags, throwing up Nazi salutes, and who are going around being shitty to Jews, gays, trans people, all while they knife U.S. veterans to death… and you’ve somehow convinced yourself that it’s the people who aren’t doing any of that who are the authoritarian ones. You’re supporting the people trying to suppress the freedoms of Americans with violence, but claiming we’re the authoritarians. Your buddies are trying to undo the last 70 or 80 years of academic progress, but claiming we’re the ones trying to tell people what they can and… Read more »
Bub Murphy
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When you as a white male have an opinion and use your powerful platform as a podcast host to tell Chidi (sp?) that she is wrong about issues that affect black people, isn’t that white-splaining?

JP
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I’ve been a long time listener, and have mostly agreed with your positions throughout the lifetime of the show, but I’ve found that I strongly disagree with some of your stances on Evergreen, the role of privilege and how to navigate discourse on racial issues. I’ve outlined a couple of points below. (Sorry for the long text) 1) I don’t think that this tit for tat is helpful in the discourse between the opposing sides, and just alienates people – like me – who do not align strongly to any group but can see the arguments for both sides. Just… Read more »
kyle
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1. To the extent that this “tit for tat” exists as just back and forth name calling, I agree that it’s maybe not super productive, but I also think it can be useful in cutting through the narratives people build around their own perspectives. Calling anti-SJW types “broflakes” when they display the same behavior they ridicule in others highlights the fact that they aren’t reacting to the purely reasonable principles they claim to hold, but rather that their perspective is informed by context. 2. I think it’s a mistake to assume that calling out “whitesplaining” is meant to be a… Read more »
Melanin
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Wait, so you’ll have her on YOUR show? Where you have the power? As a white man? Who seemingly prefers women to men?

Idk man… Still seems like some whitesplaining to me. At least by the standards you set for Brett Weinstein.

kyle
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Call me a cynic, but this reads an awful lot like trolling.

John
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People on the left really need to drop the narrative that Trump was elected because of white supremacy. While I do not dismiss the role of misogyny, xenophobia, racism, etc., to say Trump was elected because of that (i.e., it was the deciding factor) ignores two points; one historical, and one germane to this election. First, the Republican party has always, always garnered support from those wishing to curtail immigration. Saying that Trump won because of those thing suggests they were not in the GOP platform of previous elections (such as Romney talking about a wall during the 2012 primary:… Read more »
Psycho Gecko
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Thought I’d throw a few thoughts in here real quick. It’s probably problematic to pin it on any one thing in particular. We’ve seen numerous ideas brought up, from the Democrats ignoring the working-class, making their message being anti-Trump, the impact of Comey’s statement about the email investigation, Fake News and Russia’s interference, the idea that people are anti-establishment right now (especially puzzling in light of some exit polls that suggested the opposite), and the white supremacy thing, among others. It’s hard to keep up, and some of them are undoubtedly just people’s pet excuses or blamestorming. This was an… Read more »
Psycho Gecko
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I’m glad you pointed out the point that the white professor only had a problem with the day of absence when it was white students as the ones to volunteer to leave campus. If it was really a matter of this non-segregation thing, he’d likely have spoken up in the, what, 29 other years they’d been doing this same thing except with black students. I doubt that caller will even hear the response, because it seems to me like she came in with something she wanted to say, regardless of what anyone else had said about it. Also, regarding the… Read more »
mcr
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Thomas, is there such a thing as blacksplaining? Under any circumstance? It sounds to me like whitesplaining is just an example of the ad hominem or genetic fallacy. Who cares about the skin color of the person making an argument… Why can’t the argument stand on its own merits? The PC narrative sounds at best uninformed. In my experience people who advocate for it assign way too much credit to victim narratives or worse, are seeking to act as thought police. I hope you drop this from future shows. SJWs are sad small minded people not capable of adult thought.… Read more »
mcr
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Thanks for the response Thomas, I think that’s a fair answer. I am neither uninformed nor bigoted however. Frustration for the topic and the nature of trying to be succinct in a comment made it sound harsh and simplistic. I am aware of the definition of whitesplaining. The connotation of these terms is where I mainly take issue. Pointing out where one lacks the annectodal experience of minorities or is condescending or too simplistic is appropriate. Using terms like whitesplaining come off sounding themselves condescending and are often used for race baiting. I think some of the pushback you have… Read more »