SIO46: AHCA – The Scandal Hiding in Plain Sight

After a few small points about the last couple episodes on the hoax paper, we’re back to normal here on commentary Thursday! Today’s main topic is the CBO score on the new incarnation of the evil AHCA bill. AHCA is, in my opinion, the most important political scandal currently happening. After that is a very difficult voicemail segment, in that there are 3 tough questions with no easy answers. But those are the most important kind!

Links:

CBO Score on AHCA 2; NPR Breakdown on CBO Score; In Depth Uproxx Article on the Burrito Truck; Google Doc on Portland Appropriation; Academic Paper on Cultural Appropriation

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Work carried out from 2002 to 2006 by Richard Lynn, a British Professor of Psychology, and Tatu Vanhanen, a Finnish Professor of Political Science, who conducted IQ studies in more than 80 countries produced some interesting results. When the average IQ by country is looked at relative to the average IQ in the world as a whole, which is by definition 100, some of the results were: 1 Hong Kong 108 2 Singapore 108 3 South Korea 106 4 Japan 105 5 China 105 6 Taiwan 104 Notice anything about the top six? I think it’s glaringly obvious that nobody… Read more »

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Derek Dadey

Are east asians a race. What exactly is a race. Were these tests done on a random sample of Chinese children including poor farmers or just more affluent city dwellers( China is a big place after all). Perhaps the style of schooling favoured in that region of the world applies better to the IQ test being used. Has the study been repeated and do the same nations come out on top. But the philosophical bedrock under all these questions of, what is race an what is intelligence are never well defined(particularly race). Are a Sudanese man and a Kenyan the… Read more »

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I was being sarcastic and I knew the sarcasm would be lost on the SJW set who take themselves so deadly seriously at all times. I was feigning outrage at the fact that in this study (https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country), the the United States is ranked 31st in the world, which we know cannot be true because we are the smartest and the best and, doggone it, people like us. This study, random and old as it now seems, was by country, period. Given who did it and when, they were probably not playing to an SJW audience. My sarcasm (if you have… Read more »

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I assume Murray’s conclusions are bullshit because the studies he cites were methodologically flawed and have been repeatedly disproven by more rigorous and pointed research conducted by more competent investigators in more applicable fields. The guy’s basically claiming the Earth is flat, and Sam Harris just can’t get over how even the bubble is in Murray’s level. Just because data is quantified does not mean it is objective, and if Sam Harris can not see the glaring inadequacies in Murray’s collection methods, he can hardly be considered the “adult in the room who is willing to look at data and… Read more »

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PsychopompGecko

I had trouble identifying the joke more because you seem to be going after the American Exceptionalist right-wing more than SJWs. They’re the ones who think white people, particularly Americans, are the smartest people who live on the greatest country on Earth. Plus, they’re the ones who actually approve of blacklisting people during the Cold War due to their parents or other family being from a communist country. Though, to be fair, at least you put the PC police on the correct side. Most people seem to forget about which side of the political spectrum actually used to jail people… Read more »

Kirk Smith
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Wrong. You are the one I was lampooning, though I didn’t know it until you walked in and sat down in the middle of it, barely able to get your self-righteousness through the door. By completely missing the point, you made it (the point, that is) beautifully.

PsychopompGecko
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That’s cute. You either think I’m PC, or you’re just that desperate to be relevant to some discussion.

Derek Dadey
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Derek Dadey

I got the “joke”. All I’m doing is pointing out that one of the basic premises of this research is flawed or at best not fully explored. Is race a valid biological category or are we simply chosing a certain cluster of traits (skin colour, facial morphology) and classifying people based on that rather than any other group of traits. If you did the studies I’m sure one blood group would emerge as having superior IQ, one of them has to, and if for instance we happened to have systematically oppressed B+ people for decades/centuries would we be surprised if… Read more »

Kirk Smith
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I, too, wish we could just forget about “race.” I was so naive that I thought we were living in post-racial America until Obama was elected and it became so glaringly obvious that to many, many people it really mattered that a “black” man was president. To some it was a good thing, to others it was a terrible thing, but to a LOT of people it really mattered, and I thought we were past that. It would also be nice if we could just forget about IQ, but that’s another issue that really matters to some people, positively or… Read more »

Derek Dadey
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Derek Dadey

(replying to kirk at 10:21, could not see reply button on his post)
I am not saying we need to forget about race as a cultural concept but as a biological one. The overemphasis of certain traits over others doesn’t seem to have biological importance but certainly has cultural implications. We can, and should separate one from the other.

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kyle

The Bell Curve is not worth reading. Regardless of racial bias as a motivating factor on the part of the researchers, it’s just bad science based on outdated conceptualizations (about intelligence, race, and standards of cultural competency in testing that would more accurately account for biases) that fails to support the author’s conclusions. He’s not the first person to suggest that certain races are genetically inferior as it relates to certain traits, and again, this assertion has been thoroughly studied and debunked by reputable scientists conducting more nuanced and relevant research in multiple applicable fields. The book is essentially the… Read more »