SIO17: Dialogue with Trump Supporter Dr. Robert Price

Today’s episode is my attempt at a calm, rational dialogue with a Trump supporter. I knew Dr. Price supported Trump as a candidate but I was unsure how he would view the first month plus of Trump’s presidency. I ask him about that, and some debate and discussion follows. I don’t want to give anything away about it, but please listen and I’ll provide some comment after.

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St. Ralph
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The obstructionism that Dr. Price is complaining about is EXACTLY what McConnell and Boehner swore themselves to for all eight years of the Obama presidency, and boy, it’s a whole different deal when the Republicans are on the receiving end. The “slowest economic growth since the Great Depression” was aided and abetted, if not caused, by the Congressional obstruction of anything and everything Obama wanted to do to stimulate the economy. Dr. Price is not stupid, I’ve listened to his podcasts off and on for years. He’s just playing stupid, probably as a misdirection device to try and divert attention… Read more »
kyle
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No part of me believes it is worth revisiting this with Dr. Price. During the interview, he displayed a complete lack of interest in your questions. There was a particular point, when answering a rebuttal you posed (it might have been the part about Trump corroborating something he’d previously dismissed as fake news), wherein he seemed somewhat flustered and panicked, before ultimately talking himself out of having to consider the question. I felt like that was the closest he came to genuinely listening, but to my mind, the mental processing in that moment was “how am I going to not… Read more »
St. Ralph
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And the four students at Kent State did not “lose their lives.” They were gunned down by the National Guard, for Christ’s sake. And that is NOT okay.

David In Kentucky
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On the subject of Trump’s Infrastructure plan, as far as it has been minimally described, it is actually pretty terrible, and that is coming from someone that works in my state DOT. The core of his plan centers around privatizing roads, which is frankly a terrible idea; this would, as a matter of market forces, push all new construction to new interstate construction; the interstate system is some of the best maintained of the roadways and is the least in need of further investment, so this would do little to improve the condition of the roads in the country. Furthermore,… Read more »
St. Ralph
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“. . . alternative fact building blocks . . .” is a very good term. I’ve been listening to the “arguments” put forth by Dr. Price for at least fifteen years. I know because I remember where I worked when I used to get these “see, I told you” emails all the time from my Republican colleagues (they, too, thought Snopes was a communist plot—in the early 2000s). The names of the players have changed, of course, but the tropes and diatribes have not. The wording of the talking points is nearly identical to the stuff I was hearing in… Read more »
David In Kentucky
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Also, on the 57 states comment, I would tend to agree with you that it was simply Obama as a tired candidate simply misspeaking when he meant 47, but I’d point out that there are 57 entities within the US. There are 50 states, 6 territories, and Washington DC; you’ll see 57 pop up regularly when things like DOTs or other governmental agencies at the state level are discussed. Just a bit of trivia.

Souperman
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Price lost when he started insulting Thomas – and he did it repeatedly. He also came off as a Trump apologist, not budging on any issue no matter how minor or obvious it was and then reidrecting everything back at Obama.

Dan
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I got through about 20 minutes of this. Just a gish gallop of nonsense. I don’t think I can take Price seriously as a scholar any more.

Thomas at least made the attempt, so props for that.

Filet of cod
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I think this was a great interview. We got to hear an intelligent person give his honest conservative views to us straight. I’m not from the U.S, so I’m completely lost when it comes to some of the specific details regarding the U.S. political system. But putting the fact disputes aside, this interview made it really clear what some of the more general differences in opinion between the left and the right actually are. As a conservative, Price is against using taxes to even out the vast economical inequalities, he believes in harsh discipline and order in order to preserve… Read more »
St. Ralph
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“. . . putting the fact disputes aside . . .” That’s kind of what you have to do, isn’t it, for Price to make any sense at all. If you’re not from the US it might not be obvious to you, but little to none of what Price said is considered opinion; it’s all canned rant. You can hear all of it on right wing talk radio any day of any week for the last fifteen years—maybe twenty. Price is not a conservative. He is a Republican. There is a big difference.

Kit Hadley-Day
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St Ralph

but you have to remember that republicans have the best, and biggest facts.

Kit Hadley-Day
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The fact Dr Price is holds a conservative view is not the issue, its his hypocrisy and blanket refusal to apply equal standards to both sides of the issue. He is being irrational, and regardless of political leanings that makes his opinion untrustworthy, for example, He believes that the extra scrutiny applied to the blatantly unqualified cabinet nominees is democrats refusing to allow the president to do his job but the republicans stealing a supreme court nominee is just good politics. He is not just espousing conservative talking points and defending them with reasoned arguments, he is ignoring blatant facts… Read more »
Kit Hadley-Day
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Thomas

I can only assume you have been brushing up on Be Reasonable, as i can’t believe you maintained your demeanor in the the face of rank hypocrisy and idiocy. I would have to echo the sentiments that revisiting this topic with this lack-wit had has no value. He comes across very much as an apologist not a supporter, frankly he is as delusional as any other fundamentalist.

Nathan
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This was a commendable attempt to engage someone from the other side and that you were able to make it remain as cordial as it was is frankly impressive. You and Price were talking past each other, and there was a simple reason for this, the two of you were engaged in two different exercises. You were trying to utilize anything in your disposal – facts, arguments, and miniscule potential areas of agreement to try and pry out of him an admission of being wrong or to realize a change of mind. In contrast, he spent an hour using rhetorical… Read more »
Pat
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Totally fucking nuts. The thing is, I have a family member who thinks like his clown, but a mutual love and respect for each other means I will listen quietly, and gently – piece by piece – open up the discussion. Also, it means the shit slinging is barely there. This family member is still stuck in the goop of religion too, so I have simpathy for the whole situation. The difference here is Dr Price should know better, and was being an asshole. He came across like the kind of person who has read one too many pieces of… Read more »
bob
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The problem with Price is that he has “0” interest in what anyone but himself has to say. He gives the distinct impression that he is completely un-persuadable and revels in that fact. Hard-headed and proud of it.

Shane
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Finally listened to this a few days ago. Thanks for sharing, Thomas. The most disturbing aspect of the interview was coming to realize that someone who is a skeptic, who has a career of critical thinking toward the Bible, can also be easily brainwashed. Like others, I found myself wanting to ask what his primary sources of news are. It is kind of obvious that he has been influenced by people luke Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. It’s not enough to disagree on policy — you have to hate and demonize the other side for these people, and adamantly refuse… Read more »
Rev
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Just so disappointing. I used to listen to RMP’s Bible Geek podcast, but drifted away when he got more political. I can deal with right wing politics, but not when a supposed scholar is regurgitating Fox News talking points, with complete credulity. Sure grandpa, Obama is coming in a black helicopter to take away your hunting rifle, make you gay marry a Muslim, and force the two of you to adopt a terror baby. Yes, I’ll get you your pudding, grandpa. It’s so farcical, so painfully simple minded. It’s hard to take anyone like this seriously. Price’s basic and irrational… Read more »
Chris
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I only found out about this podcast after the disaster with a certain UK youtube guy who is often referred to as “Carl of Swindon.” So I am now just catching up. I found the conversation with Price to be just like talking to my dad. Fortunately he lives 1500 miles away, so we do not have to spend Thanksgiving with him. I know that lots has happened since this was posted, and I am sure Dr. Price has not changed his mind even though the other Dr. Price had to quit the Trump cabinet due to too much private… Read more »