SIO12: Is the Left to Blame for Trump’s Muslim Ban?

But first I have to offer a correction on the Jordan B. Peterson episode. He said in other interviews that he would use she and he appropriately for trans people but not any other pronouns. I made it sound like he wouldn’t do so. I apologize for getting that wrong. I explain my thinking on this, as well as point out how frustrating it has been for people to try to dismiss my entire message based on one point of misunderstanding.

After that, I cover Trump’s executive orders so far, and in particular the Muslim ban. Is it the same as Obama’s act from 2011? Are liberals responsible for it? Find out what I think and see if you agree or disagree!

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Jon
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On bill c-16: I don’t mean to nitpick, but I think there is an important distinction to be made. You said “this bill doesn’t ::just:: apply to you and me on the street,” when in fact this bill doesn’t apply to you and me on the street at all. It applies to employers, landlords, and people providing a generally accessible public good or service (i.e. college professors). It is designed specifically to prevent people in positions of power from using that power as a weapon against trans-people. Also, this bill is an amendment to the Canadian Human Rights act, which… Read more »
St. Ralph
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Maybe Harris is doing you a favor by not responding to you. When an ant goes padding across my desk, the kindest, most humane thing I can do is ignore it. If I do anything about the ant, regardless of my intentions or motivations, the ant is likely going to come out the worse for it. Maybe the kindest thing Harris can do is let you go your own way without getting squished by accident or otherwise.

Dan
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If the ant points out a huge error on your spreadsheet as it walks across the table you don’t ignore the ant just because it’s an ant. If the ant makes a valid point, listen to the ant.

St. Ralph
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I was simply being hilarious, of course, but if Sam Harris has the tens of thousands of reader/listeners that Thomas says he has, then he probably has hundreds (at least) who disagree with something he’s done or failed to do. If he responded to each of them, he wouldn’t have time to eat or take a piss or record the next villainous podcast.

kyle
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My only speculation in regards to the claim of being “charged with a hate-crime for criticizing someone’s outfit” (assuming he’s not just real bad at hyperbole) is that maybe he’s the type of person who would say “that’s an ‘interesting’ outfit” whenever he notices a trans-student wearing something atypically gendered, is asked by someone not to be a fucking weirdo about trans-students’ clothes, and then deliberately misses the point and cries to his patreon supporters about being oppressed when all he did was make one little comment about fashion. Also, I wanted to mention something that occurred to me in… Read more »
St. Ralph
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Have you decided what the “two more words” are yet?

kyle
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Shit. Sorry. I thought you were asking that rhetorically.

The most common I’ve seen proposed is xe and xyr, but in practice, I don’t know anyone who didn’t prefer they and their.

Or names. People seem to like when you use their name.

St. Ralph
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“They” and “their” have an implied (if not literal) plurality built in that makes them awkward to use in many instances. Using someone’s name repeatedly tends to single them out and call special attention to them which can be interpreted as ridicule or even condemnation, especially when others are not similarly referred to. Pronouns are a “softer” way, if you will, of referring to others. When you’re talking about new (to everyday usage ) pronouns like “xe” and “xir,” where does the undereducated over-privileged white guy like myself go for pronunciation guides? I imagine that people are going to be… Read more »
Kyle
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That executive order is disheartening. On a fitting note, one of the websites I read while double-checking whether it was xe or ze (you’re not wrong about there being a learning curve), the example they used about people coming to accept strange new terms was the movement that introduced “Ms.” when referring to women. As far as pronunciation guides, google is a thing. More practically, it’s probably all right to wait until someone lets you know they have a preferred pronoun, and then just follow their lead. I agree that “they” and “their” are slightly more awkward, but it’s not… Read more »
St. Ralph
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They is okay as long as they make it clear that that’s what they want. Leaving us guessing is nothing more than divaship and that’s going to get you rejected. Yes, we could get used to new pronouns, but they have to be used often and consistently, like Ms. I know maybe eight gay people. I am told I have two trans-gender relatives, but I’ve only ever met one of them. Nobody I know has any problem with traditional English pronouns, so my opportunities to practice are going to be sparse. It could take a while to catch on.
Wootwoot
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I feel like he was making a slight appeal to humor with the ‘choice of outfit’ comment. Using an intentionally peculiar word choice to refer to the presentation aspects of the bill

St. Ralph
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His word choice is not peculiar in Canada, hey.

Dan
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Your argument about the Muslim ban being the left’s fault completely misses the argument that is being made. The point being made is the left refused to tackle the terrorism problem on any level. They should have taken the lead and owned that issue. This was the point Harris and Maher were trying to make before Batfleck interrupted and proved the left incapable of owning the issue. So the right came up with their horrible solution to counter the left’s solution of not acknowledging a problem existed. This is the left’s failure and you should have tackled that point, but… Read more »
Cheomit
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Hi Thomas, I wanted to comment on the voicemails you played in this episode. To the first caller’s comment, about non-gendered pronouns, I think there’s a point there. There would be nothing wrong with calling everyone “they/them”, for example (or some new set of pronouns, if necessary). And we can get info about sex and sexuality from a better source than a person’s pronoun (because “he” doesn’t tell me if you’re straight, gay, bi, asexual, or whatever – at best, it gives me a decent clue as to what your genitals probably look like and which ones you probably prefer… Read more »