SIO80: The Red Pill: Debunking the MRAs, Part 1

I watched The Red Pill so you don’t have to… In today’s episode, due to some scheduling circumstances, I’m starting my next series before ending my previous one. Instead of Part 3 on Trump’s participation trophies, it’s part 1 on debunking the MRAs! #whatabout: workplace fatalities, suicide rates, college graduation rates, and homelessness rates? I take a look at these MRA claims in detail.

Here are some key links: The Red Pill Funding; Understanding Red Pill People; Article on Job Deaths; Suicide Rate CDC Stats; Women Are Testing Better At Math; Census Data on College; Benefits from Degrees are Better for Men; HUD Homelessness Stats.

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7 Replies to “SIO80: The Red Pill: Debunking the MRAs, Part 1”

  1. As someone who supports Men’s Rights, thank you. Thank you for discussing this, its more then what usually happens. Thank you for not only looking at womens issues, but also taking the time to look at Men’s issues.

  2. If you do follow up with family court, I’d love to know the current numbers. In Florida, kids just switch houses every Wednesday and each parent gets a week on and a week off. I’ve also heard that men get custody more often – if they bother to ask for it. But I don’t know if that’s still a thing. (Personally, I suspect a lot of these men got divorced twenty years ago and are still stewing about child support and alimony they had to pay.)

    1. It’s a bit old now, but there was a site (I tried to find it and it appears gone now, so take that into account as well) that had statistics on divorce and court proceedings. The vast majority of child custody claims were settled before it ever got to the court. We’re talking less than 10% of cases were handled by a judge, which drastically affects how much you can claim a court was biased.

      Taken altogether, it said that women did received custody more often than men, but men still received custody more often than they wanted custody.

      Of course, the site’s gone and the data was from like 1999 anyway. It would be interesting to see something up to date on this to either prove or disprove if the courts favor women.

      Even then, courts favoring women isn’t necessarily a good thing. One of the things about feminism is it’s trying to counter this idea that a woman’s place is taking care of the kids.

      As far as Paul Elam goes, though, he actually signed over parental rights to his own daughter and didn’t reconnect with her until decades later: https://www.buzzfeed.com/adamserwer/how-mens-rights-leader-paul-elam-turned-being-a-deadbeat-dad?utm_term=.iuVAYGazM#.spJJDGd0O

      “Although Elam says that “fathers are forced to pay child support like it was mafia protection money,” he accused his first wife of lying about being raped so he could relinquish his parental rights and avoid paying child support.”

  3. Keep doing this MRA series. MR is the sort of thing people can basically dismiss out of hand because it’s such unabashed misogyny and masturbatory “won’t someone think of the privileged!” chauvinism. The forum comments they make are enough to betray whatever lies they try to spin with “facts”.

    Like you I would say there is a some truth to be found in the legal realm of MRA claims, but if the argument is about legal injustices and double-standards, there are plenty that women face that men don’t, such as the greater likelihood of living below the poverty line with children post-divorce. On top of that, if it’s about the rights of individuals, then they should not be championing men alone. an MRA might make the same claim as a counter to feminists, but as you said in the episode, women have only had significant rights for the last century.

  4. There is an actual study that shows that teachers grade girls easier than boys in math and sciences and tend to be harder on disciplining boys in schools and that causes boy to leave school and fail as well

    1. Where is that citation? That would have been useful.

      What would have been more useful would be the results of the computer graded standardized tests often required in many states that are often given in fourth and eighth grades. With some follow up on later SAT/ACT computer graded tests.

      Surely it is how best to fill in the little circles/ovals. So do you have those? Asking for a friend. 😉

      (Says the person who took the EIT (Engineering in Training) test by filling in all the “C” column bubbles of the electrical engineering questions. I passed because I knew the engineering/math I was taught in structures and mechanics.)

  5. This was enlightening, thank you. I have been thinking that many of these issues have been overlooked but it is nice seeing the counter to this.

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